IRC log for #minetest, 2012-10-22

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01:29	NakedFury	http://screenshotuploader.com/s/01/DPRQ90a12 what I am building
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03:15	mindslant	hi, brandnew to minetest. Very excited about it. Quick question. I place a wood block onto the 3x3 grid, no planks just happen, is there a button i need to push?
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03:20	mindslant	hi, brandnew to minetest. Very excited about it. Quick question. I place a wood block onto the 3x3 grid, no planks just happen, is there a button i need to push?
03:21	khonkhortisan	You chop down a tree and place a single stack of it in the
03:21	khonkhortisan	*was moving papers off his keyboard
03:21	khonkhortisan	3x3 grid, then drag the wood from the square on the left. Then repeat the process for sticks.
03:22	khonkhortisan	Try just a single tree in the center of the grid
03:22	khonkhortisan	http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Crafting#Basic_Recipes
03:25	khonkhortisan	mindslant, got it working yet?
03:31	Octupus	Back
03:33	Octupus	khonkhortisan: Any new mods u working on
03:35	khonkhortisan	a mod that reloads mods
03:35	Octupus	?
03:37	khonkhortisan	it uses dofile on the init.lua of the mod you tell it to reload and I'm trying to make it replace modname:nodename with :modname:nodename
03:37	Octupus	O
03:54	khonkhortisan	how do I escape "(" in string.gsub?
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03:56	khonkhortisan	I wouldn't have guessed. "%("
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04:14	OldCoder	Hi. Going out for a bit. If anybody knows dharc and he comes back this week I request a favor. Point him to my new Debian DEB. It was made to keep a promise to him.
04:14	* OldCoder	back later
04:16	RealBadAngel_	hi all
04:16	NakedFury	hey
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04:57	OldCoder	NakedFury, RealBadAngel_ Hey
04:57	NakedFury	hey
04:57	OldCoder	khonkhortisan, hey 2
04:58	khonkhortisan	hello
05:00	NakedFury	OldCoder im working on structures to turn into schematics to later add to the server. wanna make something nice as a starting area
05:25	OldCoder	Hi
05:25	OldCoder	NakedFury, That sounds good
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05:26	OldCoder	NakedFury, Look forward to seeing them work. But we still need to speak with Uberi about a possible bug fix.
05:26	OldCoder	anunakki, Hey! Are you live?
05:28	khonkhortisan	Is there a way I can make a mod run code as another mod?
05:28	khonkhortisan	I don't mean just to replace nodes, I mean the whole code, including the directory the mods are being run from (for running other files relatively)
05:29	OldCoder	khonkhortisan, explain. Sounds reasonable to me.
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05:29	OldCoder	khonkhortisan, A server hook could be added
05:29	OldCoder	Calinou, wb
05:29	khonkhortisan	I'm trying it in lua (the hard way)
05:29	khonkhortisan	for the purpose of reloading mods without restarting
05:29	OldCoder	all right
05:29	khonkhortisan	that would be better done in the server
05:30	OldCoder	khonkhortisan, I'd be happy to apply server patches
05:30	Calinou	hi
05:30	khonkhortisan	hmm
05:30	khonkhortisan	hello
05:34	ruskie	yawn
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09:37	RealBadAngel_	hello minetest
09:37	RealBadAngel_	how is monday goin?
09:52	ruskie	it's monday
09:52	ruskie	the usual bad day of the week
09:55	ruskie	3hours to go 'till end of work
09:55	ruskie	then I'll be able to continue working on my place
10:02	RealBadAngel	i got nice monday
10:03	Calinou	it's not the day of RebeccaBlackOS
10:03	RealBadAngel	instead of work had to get some paper work done
10:03	RealBadAngel	4 hrs and rest of the monday is free
10:16	ruskie	heh
10:16	ruskie	I need to do docs for a GIS system I've setup recently
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10:42	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
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10:51	RealBadAngel	hi PilzAdam
10:51	RealBadAngel	how is fertilizer doing? :)
10:51	PilzAdam	does someone know how to create translation files?
10:52	RealBadAngel	seen some posts bout it somewhere
10:53	RealBadAngel	https://translations.launchpad.net/minetest-c55
10:54	Taoki	RealBadAngel: Was seeing your videos of the buildcraft variant for minetest. Really fantastic and fun! Posted some comments if you're curious, I do find a few items a little odd. Other than that I have a question: Does it / will it support generators that run off wood, coal, lava, etc? I liked that in BuildCraft... you made them either of wood stone or iron, and had to make sure they don't overhea
10:59	RealBadAngel	Taoki, in fact i nearly started to build the infrastructure
10:59	RealBadAngel	its a complex mod
10:59	Taoki	RealBadAngel: Awesome :) You mean the engines or the overall mod?
10:59	Taoki	indeed
11:00	RealBadAngel	that what you can use by now are just basic machines
11:00	RealBadAngel	Tier Two, will be way different
11:00	Taoki	ok
11:01	RealBadAngel	now im makin more mesecons controlled stuff
11:01	RealBadAngel	need to finnish tubes code
11:01	RealBadAngel	and that will be the core of tier two
11:01	Taoki	Only ones I know to be missing are large builders and miners. There are constructors and deconstructors, but like ones that build whole huge walls or mine on radiuses of dozens of blocks
11:02	Taoki	How do you plan to split them in tiers?
11:02	RealBadAngel	power usage
11:02	RealBadAngel	most complex stuff will just eat energy
11:02	Taoki	Ah, yes :)
11:03	RealBadAngel	more fireworks, more energy needed
11:03	RealBadAngel	thats for Uranium is already here
11:04	Taoki	Anyway, one general suggestion: I would suggest splitting some devices (like engines or other power generators, even pipes) into material variants. Such as a wood version (weakest), a stone version (medium) and an iron version (best). Makes it more fun to decide which to craft based on the power / limit you need and materials you have
11:04	RealBadAngel	Taoki, its not so easy
11:04	RealBadAngel	even for just 1 kind of wire i needed 64 nodes definitions
11:04	Taoki	eg: Wood pipes are slow (materials are slow through them), stone ones are fast, iron ones even faster
11:04	Taoki	Oh
11:05	Taoki	How come? I thought it's just 1
11:05	RealBadAngel	nope
11:05	Taoki	Sounds like the LUA implementation here isn't too good then
11:05	RealBadAngel	i also would like to have tubes of 10 kinds of materials
11:05	Taoki	I mean in MineTest
11:05	RealBadAngel	for different speeds
11:05	Taoki	sweet
11:05	RealBadAngel	but now it would mean 10*64
11:05	RealBadAngel	640 nodes definitions
11:06	Taoki	But needing 64nodes for the same thing sounds like an issue with MineTest
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11:06	RealBadAngel	yes
11:06	Taoki	hope it's fixed in time
11:06	RealBadAngel	c55 posted a patch that could solve the issue
11:06	RealBadAngel	but havent finished it
11:07	Taoki	ok
11:07	Taoki	BRB
11:11	ruskie	hmm is that a diff texture pack in the vids?
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11:28	Taoki	back
11:29	RealBadAngel	ruskie: Haven 128x
11:29	Taoki	RealBadAngel: I'm curious. What exactly is keeping you from making wires as one node definition? Can't you set it to have fence-like properties (or rail-like) for the texture / model, and simply calculate from node to node if two other nodes touch each other (so there's a source of electricity)?
11:29	Taoki	the mesecons wire works for that IIRC
11:29	RealBadAngel	autoconnecting
11:30	RealBadAngel	i want them to represent actual connections
11:30	ruskie	RealBadAngel, ow nice I'll fetch that promptly
11:30	RealBadAngel	all possible ones are just 64 nodes
11:31	Taoki	RealBadAngel: Not sure what that means. IIRC it's possible with one node to make them connect with neighbors. Fence does this, and rails.
11:31	RealBadAngel	lemmme show you
11:31	RealBadAngel	http://guide.minetest.net/technic/mod.php?mod=technic
11:31	RealBadAngel	now you can see?
11:33	Taoki	Ah, that's a list of all the nodes?
11:33	RealBadAngel	changing nodeboxes, nor the textures is not allowed by now
11:33	RealBadAngel	so you have to predefine them all
11:33	Taoki	If you mean the orange pipe icons, yes. What I'm saying is that mesecons wire, rail, fance, etc. IIRC makes it possible to automatically generate those connections
11:33	Taoki	At least with nodeboxes
11:34	Taoki	But I might be wrong
11:34	RealBadAngel	so you are :)
11:34	Taoki	That sucks then. I see the issue though... yeah in this case they must be pre-defined
11:34	RealBadAngel	as i said c55 made a patch
11:35	RealBadAngel	but its not finished
11:35	Taoki	But I'm surprised isn't not possible like I thought yet. Still a lot to do for the LUA api I guess :/
11:35	Taoki	ok
11:35	RealBadAngel	with it every object could be a single definition
11:35	Taoki	Ouch... it's not even possible to rotate them however? You must make a pre-defined node for all possible rotations as well, not only shapes?
11:36	RealBadAngel	rotate textured ones is possible
11:36	Taoki	Weird. I wonder how stairs and slabs work then
11:36	RealBadAngel	we are talkin different nodeboxes
11:36	RealBadAngel	also predefined
11:36	Taoki	Ah... the same way :P
11:36	Taoki	yeah
11:37	Taoki	Really really needs fixing IMO
11:37	RealBadAngel	my creative is now like 60 pages
11:38	RealBadAngel	so, complex mods need that path
11:38	RealBadAngel	*patch
11:40	* ruskie	just read up on the technic mod and notes that it'll take him a while before he'll get to the point he'll be able to play with most of those goodies
11:41	RealBadAngel	some of the stuf is not intended for imediate use
11:41	RealBadAngel	you have to build your machine park
11:41	RealBadAngel	and dig a lot for resources
11:42	Taoki	RealBadAngel: Ah... there could be a possible idea (and unlikely to be possible). Maybe you can create one LUA function for defining and rotating the shapes, which would generate a new node shape in real time and apply that to one node definition. But from the sounds of it even that is impossible
11:43	RealBadAngel	try screwdriver
11:43	Taoki	Unless there is a trick to change the nodebox in real time
11:43	RealBadAngel	or the sonic screwdriver
11:43	Taoki	whatsit do?
11:43	RealBadAngel	very handy with stairs plus panels and microblocks
11:43	Taoki	nice
11:43	RealBadAngel	it rotates all facedir nodes
11:45	Taoki	RealBadAngel: Does it still use the pre-defined versions for each? If so it doesn't solve the issue
11:45	RealBadAngel	not really
11:45	RealBadAngel	it just rotates the object over x-z axises
11:45	Taoki	Can't the same code be re-used then to fix the need for 64 nodes and all that?
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11:46	RealBadAngel	rotation doesnt means the same as new connection when a wire is placed
11:47	RealBadAngel	rotating x+ connected wire doesnt help when new connection on y+ comes
11:47	Taoki	RealBadAngel: I know. But for example, to define a single wire steering (horizontal L shape). Currently, you need 4 versions of that one for each rotation. If rotated dynamically, you'd only need 1, because the shape of that connection doesn't change
11:48	Taoki	And instead of 64 nodes you could go with like 16, using a code to oriant each shape the right way
11:48	Taoki	Then when the code to also connect in realtime will exist, only 1 node. But after c55's patch
11:49	RealBadAngel	with the patch i could create all neede dynamically
11:49	Taoki	"<RealBadAngel> rotating x+ connected wire doesnt help when new connection on y+ comes" - Sure. But you can use the same shape until a new connection in y comes, then change to a different node type
11:49	RealBadAngel	with just one definition
11:49	Taoki	yeah. Just saying until then
11:49	RealBadAngel	simple example: theres no junctions
11:49	RealBadAngel	straight wire
11:50	RealBadAngel	i keep adding new connections
11:50	Taoki	Yes,
11:50	RealBadAngel	from left, from bottom
11:50	RealBadAngel	rotation wouldnt help
11:50	RealBadAngel	i need left placed wire to go right
11:50	RealBadAngel	bottom one to go up
11:51	RealBadAngel	and same from original one in opposite directions
11:51	RealBadAngel	to make the connections
11:51	Taoki	Sure, but: If the wire is in the middle, and you only add a connection to the left and right. The wire node type used is the straight wire one. Now if those left and right connections went away, and instead became up and down connections, the same wire node could be used just rotated 90*. If a third connection would be added, then yes, only then change the node
11:51	RealBadAngel	Taoki: exactly
11:52	RealBadAngel	i need to add nodeboxes for the connections
11:52	Taoki	Yes. But then you don't need a new node for left-right wire and up-down wire
11:52	RealBadAngel	i do
11:52	Taoki	Why can't only one work and be rotated?
11:52	RealBadAngel	i need EXACT nodebox with just connections
11:52	RealBadAngel	to left, to up
11:53	Taoki	Yeah. But "to left, to up" can be rotated in a lot of ways. So then you only need one L shape node definition.
11:53	Taoki	Sorry if I'm being a noob, just curious to understand it better
11:53	Taoki	:P
11:53	RealBadAngel	not if you add another one nearby
11:54	Taoki	Yeah, then instead of an L it becomes a T. But you could change the node definition only then
11:54	RealBadAngel	remember wire can connect to all 6 directions
11:54	Taoki	sure
11:54	RealBadAngel	x+ x_
11:54	RealBadAngel	-
11:54	RealBadAngel	and so on
11:54	RealBadAngel	so rotation will just fuck up all the rules
11:55	ruskie	hmm
11:55	Taoki	Still can't tell exactly how... sorry if I suck at this :P
11:55	RealBadAngel	take a look at the connections generation code
11:55	ruskie	I kinda understand what Taoki is saying but there might be an actual limitation elsewhere
11:56	Taoki	A smart code would normally be able to do it. So once it analyses a connection, it says "I need a T shape wire of this rotation, or an L shape wire of this one"
11:56	Taoki	And basically just say "I need a T" instead of "I need the T rotated at this x, y, z"
11:56	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/master/wires.lua#L18
11:57	Taoki	hmm
11:57	RealBadAngel	btw look at pictures shown before
11:58	RealBadAngel	and count how many "T"s you got here
11:58	RealBadAngel	and how many other shapes ;)
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11:58	Taoki	Normally, each shape would be reusable in 6 or 8 rotations if I'm right
11:58	Taoki	The straight wire for example would work in 3. left-right, back-forth, up-down
11:59	RealBadAngel	propably
11:59	Taoki	A T shape... I think that would work in 16 (4 x 4)
11:59	RealBadAngel	but then i should rotate not only the graphics
11:59	ruskie	that's what I was thinking
11:59	RealBadAngel	but the connection rules
11:59	Taoki	RealBadAngel: That would be true.
11:59	RealBadAngel	nodes naming
11:59	RealBadAngel	and all
12:00	RealBadAngel	which would make system impossible to maintain
12:00	Taoki	RealBadAngel: So it would be something like: The wire in the middle detects which wires are around it. To its left, right, front, back, up, down. Then the code would simply say "there are X wires in this parrern, I neex Y shape. Now, I need to rotate this shape in this position to cover them". Somewhat like Lego :)
12:00	RealBadAngel	or at least extremaly hard to code
12:01	Taoki	In that case yeah
12:01	Taoki	**need
12:01	RealBadAngel	you know what?
12:01	RealBadAngel	i wont be doing that
12:01	Taoki	It would need a rather smart code. That can detect all the ends, then know both the shape and rotation
12:01	RealBadAngel	i would rather finish fuckin c55 patch :)
12:02	Taoki	Sure. Just wanted to understand my idea better and if it would have worked :)
12:02	RealBadAngel	would
12:02	RealBadAngel	but i dont have half a year to dance with such idiotic solutions :)
12:03	Taoki	I don't think finishing c55 patch is a problem (for who knows the code). Getting someone to merge it to GIT is :P
12:03	RealBadAngel	c55 already did his job. hes tired, bored or whatever
12:04	RealBadAngel	there are lots of folks that would like to go on
12:04	Taoki	Yeah. OldCoder is doing great at accepting all useful contributions. But, I'm seeing this is leading to two projects with the sama name which is worrying
12:04	Taoki	minetest.net and minetest.org
12:05	PilzAdam	https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/54
12:05	RealBadAngel	Taoki we will what will happen
12:05	RealBadAngel	maybe c55 will wake up then
12:05	RealBadAngel	which i believe could be the best solution
12:06	RealBadAngel	time will tell
12:06	Taoki	Poke him in #minetest-delta. I asked him some days ago, and he just said he doesn't know anyone trusted to give GIT access to
12:06	Taoki	Although there's Calinou, OldCoder, you, which seem very interested and trusted
12:06	RealBadAngel	most of the folks doesnt even ask him for anything
12:06	RealBadAngel	because they know the answer
12:07	RealBadAngel	no, why, because no
12:07	RealBadAngel	so, no
12:07	Taoki	Sadly c55 is a bit cold and not detailed in explanation
12:08	RealBadAngel	no, king has his own ideas, wont listen and is bored
12:09	Taoki	It sucks because thanks fo him, we have what we have so far. Otherwise there would be nothing. But, he was always hard to get to when it's about "something someone else is coding and not him"
12:09	RealBadAngel	whatever he thinks, he shall not stop on hold whole community
12:09	Taoki	His approach was that only he should do the code. Which I did partly understand since anyone is caring about their work.
12:10	Taoki	Yes, I agree with that too
12:10	RealBadAngel	he wasnt the only one to code
12:10	RealBadAngel	there were many others
12:10	Taoki	Sadly it's either "doing something that might wirk leaving c55 and his version in the dust" or "stalling and waiting for nothing to happen, and things not going anywhere"
12:10	Taoki	oh
12:11	Taoki	**risk
12:13	RealBadAngel	personally im hopin c55 will wake up
12:13	RealBadAngel	but if not we shall be ready to go on without him
12:14	Taoki	yeah
12:14	Taoki	I think you and OldCoder should talk to him and help with that though. He is here on IRC and active
12:14	RealBadAngel	i wont.
12:15	RealBadAngel	he treated me like an idiot.
12:15	Taoki	I understand
12:15	RealBadAngel	you havent talked to him that much i believe
12:15	* Taoki	slightly got that feeling too a few times, but I don't get upset easily about such things so didn't really think about it
12:16	RealBadAngel	hes a god, you r crawling on the ground
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12:16	RealBadAngel	thats the feeling
12:16	Taoki	Yeah, I got that feeling a few times with him. It just seemed weird
12:17	RealBadAngel	yeah, but i wont allow anybody to treat me such way
12:17	RealBadAngel	especially when he is a lot younger
12:17	Taoki	Surely not nice of him yah
12:18	RealBadAngel	doesnt really matter
12:18	RealBadAngel	im goin back to code
12:18	RealBadAngel	have chainsaw to code today
12:18	Taoki	sure
12:19	RealBadAngel	its about Timber mod you havent liked
12:19	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, I dont think i will add fertilizer to farming mod
12:19	RealBadAngel	why not?
12:20	PilzAdam	people have to wait until the plants grow
12:20	RealBadAngel	dont like instant grow idea?
12:20	PilzAdam	that would destroy the gameplay that i want
12:20	RealBadAngel	that will not come for free
12:20	RealBadAngel	you will have to make that fertilizer in a 1st place
12:21	RealBadAngel	and point is to allow automation
12:21	Taoki	RealBadAngel: Yeah, my issue with timber mod is it makes harvesting wood a bit too quick, and using the axe useless. What could work for it is setting a delay for other blocks to fall, like the leaf decay
12:21	RealBadAngel	Taoki, so i will make it possible only with chainsaw
12:21	RealBadAngel	not the common tools
12:22	Taoki	Sounds nice
12:22	PilzAdam	Taoki, my suggestion for timber: you hve to use a axe and it wears out for every block
12:22	Taoki	PilzAdam: That too would be a more acceptable alternative IMHO
12:22	Taoki	Than the current one which is always
12:22	PilzAdam	but still too fast
12:22	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, and the powered chainsaw?
12:22	RealBadAngel	isnt that logical?
12:23	PilzAdam	this is the same as fertilizer
12:23	PilzAdam	if you have many resources you dont have to wait for anything anymore
12:23	PilzAdam	but thats wrong IMO
12:23	RealBadAngel	well, for that we do have machines and inventions
12:23	PilzAdam	not in MT
12:23	RealBadAngel	my way, yes
12:24	RealBadAngel	you are seeing this more like regular sandbox with shovel etc
12:25	PilzAdam	yep
12:25	RealBadAngel	i want to have here more technic
12:25	RealBadAngel	understandable
12:26	PilzAdam	maybe i can change farming so you can add fertilizer in your mod
12:26	RealBadAngel	add apis
12:26	RealBadAngel	so i will add it
12:26	PilzAdam	i see: i have to rewrite the whole thing
12:26	RealBadAngel	this way we both will get what we want
12:27	RealBadAngel	im also makin the machines interface aviable through api
12:27	RealBadAngel	and the tools
12:27	* PilzAdam	never used technic
12:28	RealBadAngel	this game is good for that thing too
12:28	RealBadAngel	we can play, code here, everybody in his own style
12:29	PilzAdam	thats the cool thing in MT
12:29	RealBadAngel	so if some1 will want to have just plantations of vegetables and cotton
12:30	RealBadAngel	and hours to take care of them, free will
12:30	RealBadAngel	in my way, he can have neat machines to do everything for him
12:31	RealBadAngel	of course if he will be smart enough to make wireing for it and whole the control logic
12:31	* PilzAdam	just thinks back to the argument between us at the beginning of technic mod...
12:31	RealBadAngel	timers, delivery and pick up systems, transport tubes etc
12:32	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, just the different style, nothin more
12:33	RealBadAngel	i wonder on the other hand why there is no magic mod at all
12:33	RealBadAngel	yet
12:34	RealBadAngel	auras, mana, tranmutation and all that stuff :)
12:37	RealBadAngel	or just simple mod as "fus do rah" shout ;)
12:37	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmChFPqkSl4
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12:56	Octupus	Hello every1
12:57	PilzAdam	hi
12:57	Octupus	i am making a new mod
12:57	Octupus	can some1 contribute a texture for me?
13:02	Octupus	PilzAdam,u made 3d animals right
13:02	PilzAdam	yep
13:02	Octupus	do u think it wud be possible to make 3d rat?
13:03	PilzAdam	yep
13:04	Octupus	can u help me to make a 3drat?
13:04	PilzAdam	do you have some code yet?
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13:05	Octupus	no
13:05	PilzAdam	1st: create a node with nodebox that looks like a rat
13:05	Octupus	how do i do that now?
13:05	Octupus	with blocks?
13:06	Taoki	Octupus: I suggest looking at the mob framework on the forum. Should be easier to create something from there using a temporary texture at first. The 3D can probably be added later
13:06	Taoki	Personally I'm not as interested in 3D mobs until support for rigged models is added
13:06	Octupus	ok
13:07	PilzAdam	OldCoder, look here: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2333
13:08	Octupus	u mean octu
13:08	PilzAdam	ooops
13:09	Octupus	:)
13:09	Octupus	im trying to find the dload for it
13:10	OldCoder	Back
13:10	OldCoder	PilzAdam, I assume the link is not intended for me
13:10	Octupus	hi codz
13:10	Octupus	its for me
13:10	Octupus	:)
13:11	Octupus	PilzAdam,is it a default mod oru need to dload it?
13:11	PilzAdam	this are exapmles for nodeboxes
13:11	OldCoder	Taoki, RealBadAngel there is no rush to decide things
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13:12	PilzAdam	learn how to create them and then create your own nodebox for rats
13:12	Octupus	im a beginner u know
13:12	PilzAdam	nodeboxes arent very hard to create
13:13	Octupus	ok
13:13	Octupus	is there a toturial for it or something
13:13	PilzAdam	the thread i posted
13:13	Octupus	to create the nodebox
13:14	PilzAdam	wait a sec.
13:14	Octupus	k
13:15	PilzAdam	this is the main structure: https://gist.github.com/3931462
13:16	Octupus	ik how to right the code
13:16	Octupus	but im talking about to make the rat 3d
13:16	PilzAdam	wait
13:16	PilzAdam	the nodebox itself comes where i wrote "-- boxes here"
13:17	PilzAdam	the nodebox contains many little boxes; every box will be a cube in the node
13:17	Octupus	u are forgeting 1 detail
13:17	Octupus	i didn t create the rat yet
13:17	Octupus	:l
13:17	PilzAdam	but you have to know how to create nodeboxes in general
13:17	PilzAdam	if you want to create the rat some time
13:18	Octupus	well i dont :l
13:18	PilzAdam	why where you asking for it?
13:18	Octupus	so i can create a 3d rat
13:19	PilzAdam	yes
13:19	OldCoder	Fat 3D Rat? Off to You I take My Hat
13:19	OldCoder	He will need 3D cheese
13:19	Taoki	:)
13:19	Octupus	:)
13:20	Octupus	i will have to learn how to use node_boxes
13:20	Taoki	And now, for a new matter and crazy idea: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=48557 So crazy that it should be done
13:21	Octupus	ohhh i know to make new blocks :)
13:22	Taoki	OldCoder: ^ Feel free to check that link too if you wish. It's an interesting idea and I hope someone can get to it in time
13:22	OldCoder	Taoki, put it on a list for me to review later if you wish
13:22	OldCoder	Taoki, I will start such lists but I am preoccupied ATM
13:23	Octupus	i might as well start with commands
13:23	Taoki	Octupus: Older versions of minetest used to have a rat mob, which was the first mob of the project. It used a flat textures like players do now however. It seems to have been removed with the LUA integration
13:23	Octupus	ik :)
13:23	Taoki	OldCoder: ok. Give me a link to such lists if you have one please
13:24	OldCoder	Taoki, I refer simply to a text file that contains the points you've mentioned over the past day
13:24	OldCoder	Taoki, something to refer to
13:24	OldCoder	Taoki, the basis for a future todo list
13:24	Taoki	oh, ok. If I have more active points I'd like to bring I might put it all in a file
13:24	Taoki	sure
13:24	OldCoder	Taoki all right
13:25	Octupus	any1 know the github for T_A_N_K
13:26	PilzAdam	https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/
13:26	Octupus	thanks
13:29	Octupus	ok can some1 give me an idea for a mod
13:29	Octupus	not a complex 1 a simple 1
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13:30	Octupus	hmm
13:30	PilzAdam	Octupus, if someone had a idea he/she would code it him/herself
13:31	Octupus	lolz
13:31	PilzAdam	in my brain is a complete idea vacuum
13:31	PilzAdam	I can code everything but there are no ideas
13:32	Octupus	lolz
13:32	Octupus	why dont u take up that 3d rat mod?
13:32	PilzAdam	because i dont like 3D entities
13:33	Octupus	oh lol
13:33	Octupus	im might make some new blocks
13:33	PilzAdam	i can teach you how to do it
13:33	Octupus	yes pleas
13:33	Octupus	i got nothin to do for a week so
13:34	PilzAdam	i already started but you said you dont want to do it...
13:34	Octupus	because it is a bit complicated
13:35	Octupus	nvm
13:35	PilzAdam	so should i tell you or not?
13:37	Octupus	if u want
13:37	PilzAdam	the main idea is: create a node that uses nodebox and looks like a rat
13:37	Octupus	ok
13:38	PilzAdam	then create a entity that has drawtype wielditem and textures = the node we created before
13:38	PilzAdam	then you have a 3D rat
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13:39	Octupus	how will i create the entity
13:39	PilzAdam	you can create it yourself or use the lightweight API of my mobs mod
13:40	Octupus	il yours
13:40	Octupus	good thing i have it saved already XD
13:41	Octupus	ok what am i looking for in the init
13:41	PilzAdam	first create the rat node
13:42	Octupus	how do i do that
13:42	PilzAdam	https://gist.github.com/3931462
13:42	PilzAdam	this is the basic code
13:42	PilzAdam	you have to create the nodebox
13:42	Octupus	yes put i dont know how it will look like
13:43	PilzAdam	but this code in a init.lua in a modfolder called octupus and run MT
13:43	Octupus	'plux i dont know the demensions of the item i going to use
13:43	PilzAdam	the borders are 0.5 and -0.5 in all directions
13:43	Octupus	ok
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13:45	CTMN	OldCoder, are you not afk?
13:47	Octupus	adam i did what u said and i got a error
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13:49	Octupus	forget it
13:50	Octupus	to much trouble for a monday morning
13:54	OldCoder	CTMN Sorry you are gone
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14:20	Taoki	Is there currently any wat to switch to third person view?
14:20	Taoki	**way
14:20	Octupus	no
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15:04	Jordach	hello everyone
15:05	PilzAdam	hi
15:05	OldCoder	Jordach, hey
15:05	Jordach	i hate falling asleep in the taxi home
15:09	iqualfragile	hi
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15:22	OldCoder	I will return in about an hour
15:24	Octupus	Jordach,how the pokemon map going
15:24	Jordach	slow
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15:25	Octupus	need any help with it
15:26	Jordach	RealBadAngel, i now own 4 blobs of uranium
15:30	Octupus	every gone to school today :l
15:32	Octupus	jordach what server u on?
15:32	Jordach	some random OldCoder nexus
15:32	Octupus	?
15:32	Octupus	what port
15:32	Jordach	its not minetest.org
15:32	Jordach	but europe.minetest.org
15:32	Octupus	oh
15:33	ruskie	hmm fun... found a big black hole while excavating the second floor of my place
15:35	Jordach	OldCoder, Server shutting down
15:36	ruskie	he's out for the hour
15:37	iqualfragile	will be back at about 17:22
15:37	iqualfragile	s/17/18
15:37	iqualfragile	well, my local time
15:40	Jordach	again what the hell
15:40	Jordach	Server shutting down
15:40	Jordach	ruskie, what were you doing
15:40	ruskie	interacting with a chest
15:41	Jordach	that might be some unforseen bug
15:41	iqualfragile	any new plugins?
15:41	Jordach	im mining at this second
15:42	ruskie	now I'll try to connect and see if anything happens by doing nothing
15:42	ruskie	it's the chest with the green top
15:43	Jordach	damn, i cant see my textures
15:43	Octupus	I got the stank in my blunt :)
15:43	ruskie	hmm these hunter 128x textures are nice
15:44	ruskie	you got timed out
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15:49	Octupus	Can i get interact for europe.minetestorg
15:49	Jordach	granted
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15:55	Jordach	wtf, minetest just crashed
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15:56	Jordach	hey Calinou
15:57	Calinou	hi
15:57	Calinou	* [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
15:57	Calinou	<Jordach> hey Calinou
15:57	Calinou	why do I get this when joining this channel :P
15:57	Calinou	minus the jordach part
15:57	Jordach	>:(
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16:15	rubenwardy	hi all#
16:16	PilzAdam	hi
16:17	iqualfragile	hi
16:17	Jordach	rubenwardy, we need Yorkshire Puddings in the food mod
16:19	rubenwardy	<3
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16:30	Jordach	rubenwardy, we need toad in the hole too
16:30	rubenwardy	I <3 Food
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16:30	Jordach	if you want help with the food mod
16:30	Jordach	i can help
16:31	Jordach	im working on a nuclear reactor for technic
16:31	rubenwardy	all i really need is lots of textures, the coding is easy
16:31	Jordach	rubenwardy, you gotta come join europe.minetest.org
16:31	Jordach	(30000)
16:32	rubenwardy	server?
16:32	Jordach	yeah
16:32	rubenwardy	sorry
16:32	rubenwardy	version?
16:32	rubenwardy	0.4.3
16:32	Jordach	yeop
16:32	Jordach	yep
16:32	jin_xi	Adam: still bored? search the minetest-dev logs for tetris... that would make a good challenge and add arcade machines to mt
16:34	Jordach	^ id play this game for hours with tetris
16:36	PilzAdam	jin_xi, what?
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16:37	jin_xi	[15:31] <PilzAdam> in my brain is a complete idea vacuum [15:31] <PilzAdam> I can code everything but there are no ideas
16:37	jin_xi	just an idea
16:38	jin_xi	c55 mentioned it should be doable in a formspec
16:38	bas080	Scout for some ideas on the forum
16:39	MiJyn	hi Jordach
16:41	PilzAdam	mabye c55's boredom is infective
16:42	jin_xi	lol
16:42	Jordach	me and cisoun call it procrastination
16:46	iqualfragile	pilzadam: i have an idea for you, too
16:46	iqualfragile	but its gona be hard
16:46	iqualfragile	still interested?
16:46	PilzAdam	yep
16:46	iqualfragile	make minetest fun to play
16:46	iqualfragile	this is:
16:47	iqualfragile	starting a new game
16:47	iqualfragile	witing down what you miss/ think is wrong
16:47	iqualfragile	change that
16:47	iqualfragile	give it others to check
16:47	iqualfragile	generell nen bischen mehr diversitÃ¤t einbauen, mehr biomes
16:48	iqualfragile	ein konzept fÃ¼r die mÃ¶glichkeiten die minetest hat ausarbeiten
16:48	iqualfragile	im gegensatz zu minecraft kann man fast endlos nach oben und unten
16:48	iqualfragile	aber da ist es bis jetzt ziiiemlich langweilig
16:48	iqualfragile	also: unterirdische vegetationen mit lichtkristallen
16:48	iqualfragile	lavahÃ¶len
16:49	iqualfragile	(dir wird schon was einfallen)
16:49	MiJyn	iqualfragile, you mean... make a new game??
16:49	iqualfragile	und nach oben: erst himmelsinseln (mit nem schwebekristallblock)
16:49	iqualfragile	dann irgendwas Ã¤therischeres
16:49	PilzAdam	iqualfragile, i cant do this alone
16:50	iqualfragile	i can help
16:50	iqualfragile	and i guess you will find some more contributors
16:50	PilzAdam	i need textures, sounds and ideas
16:50	MiJyn	iqualfragile, are you rewriting minetest?
16:50	MiJyn	or what?
16:50	PilzAdam	kinda
16:50	iqualfragile	no, im just proposing some minor changes
16:50	Jordach	brb - food
16:51	iqualfragile	s/minor/"minor"/
16:52	Octupus	nakedfury,what colour is clay in doku test
16:52	MiJyn	iqualfragile, oh
16:52	MiJyn	Octupus, purple
16:53	MiJyn	:P
16:53	MiJyn	jk
16:53	Octupus	lolz
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16:54	MiJyn	I'd imagine light-orange/brown?
16:54	MiJyn	gold?
16:54	MiJyn	(clay is usually gold-color)
16:55	NekoGloop	Good news of sorts: i have an xbox now!
16:55	NekoGloop	Old xbox, but i dont want the 360.
16:55	PilzAdam	360 ftw
16:56	MiJyn	good for you Neko!
16:56	MiJyn	but it's worthless if minetest doesn't run on it :P
16:56	MiJyn	jk
16:56	NekoGloop	360 is only good for shooter-rip-offs.
16:56	NekoGloop	MiJyn: Compile and burn to disc.
16:56	NekoGloop	Too lazy to do so though.
16:56	MiJyn	Neko, yeah, but it would be hard to grief on that, right?
16:57	NekoGloop	Xbox can do internetz.
16:57	MiJyn	oh
16:57	NekoGloop	Even wireless, with the adaptor thingy.
16:57	MiJyn	but I'm talking about the controls
16:57	NekoGloop	Might be a bit iffy.
16:57	NekoGloop	Too lazy to compile for my comp even so...
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17:05	MiJyn	lol
17:16	Calinou	<PilzAdam> 360 ftw
17:16	Calinou	360 noscope
17:16	Calinou	better
17:16	fr00ty_l00ps	Calinou, do you play Red Eclipse too?
17:16	Calinou	yes
17:16	Jordach	Calinou, i play x360 just for the mic chatting
17:16	Calinou	I'm the guy who always uses noob weapon #1: flamer
17:16	fr00ty_l00ps	aha, I knew it :)
17:16	MiJyn	<Calinou> yes
17:17	Jordach	anything else: local splitscreen
17:17	MiJyn	lol
17:17	MiJyn	I still remember the incident xD
17:17	fr00ty_l00ps	yup, I know you, I am formerly r00t_l00p
17:17	Calinou	hi memory leak
17:18	MiJyn	?
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17:25	Jordach	well thats a fuckton of bull
17:25	Octupus	Jordach i made a eletric furnace
17:26	Octupus	i found some clay way way way out
17:26	Jordach	<Octupus> Jordach i made a eletric furnace - sweet
17:26	Jordach	it should run from my power supply
17:26	Octupus	ok
17:26	Octupus	i need a diamond now
17:26	Jordach	i have a spart
17:26	Jordach	spare
17:26	Octupus	ok
17:27	Octupus	im using your furnace atm because i just made my furnace so :)
17:28	rubenwardy	thexyz: spam
17:28	rubenwardy	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=48597#p48597
17:29	Octupus	damn i got no more copper ingots
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17:39	Jordach	i found a use for my power line, i am sharing it with Octupus and he has a battery box so he does not have to enter my house to start the generator abm
17:39	Octupus	:)
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18:20	Taoki	To everyone who's interested in 3D model support for players and mobs: I dug into the code and spoke with some Irrlicht users, and found some very useful information on how to use the native Irrlicht support for meshes. It should be fairly easy to do if I understand right. Here's what I found: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=48604#p48604
18:20	NakedFury	interested, reding
18:20	Taoki	My post mentioned where I think the code for mesh support should come, and it's easier than I expected. IF I understand everything right
18:21	Taoki	However, I don't know about animations or where to add the LUA hooks. But if things go right it should be able to have the static model rendering at least.
18:21	Taoki	Calinou: ^
18:22	Calinou	finally non-hardcoded meshes? COOL
18:22	Calinou	please no md2 though :\|... md3 is better :P
18:22	Taoki	Calinou: Neither, because they aren't rigged formats. Obj will work
18:22	Calinou	obj doesn't have animations
18:22	Calinou	lol
18:22	Taoki	The plan is to have them specified in LUA of course
18:22	Calinou	irrlicht only supports shit formats as rigged ones
18:22	Calinou	no IQM
18:22	Taoki	Calinou: The irrlicht people said otherwise
18:23	Calinou	depends on the implementation then; your animated obj will not be very compatible/portable/w/e
18:23	Taoki	I mean one of them at least, but maybe I didn't ask the full question either
18:23	Calinou	using MD3 models has an huge advantage: Q3 compatibility, and ability to use its (great) animation system much easier
18:24	Calinou	Q3's player animation system is on par with current games
18:24	Taoki	Calinou: Nice part is that IIRC Irrlicht handles the format. So the MineTest code should work with any. We can temporarily make a md3 then I'll see if obj or something else will work for rigs
18:25	Calinou	I suck at modeling :P
18:25	Taoki	Why? Because I'm crazy and dreaming of hading ragdolls and possibly other custom animation techniques in MineTest someday :P But the FIRST focus is getting any model working
18:25	Calinou	imo, something like minecraft player is fine, but there should be two additional "boxes" for boots
18:25	Taoki	That's ok. Me too, but I can probably get something basic
18:25	Taoki	Yeah something like that
18:25	Calinou	ragdolls are not needed; they're useless CPU eaters in this kind of game
18:25	Taoki	For the ddefault game. For mine I'll probably use something as detailed as Erebus :D
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18:26	Taoki	(Xonotic player model, very high-poly and high-res)
18:27	Taoki	Anyway, the post I linked are the basics I found so far. Might be incompete and need updating... I'll probably try part of it tonight
18:27	Calinou	erebus is a reimplementation of a pony, that's a secret.
18:27	Taoki	Hard without a third-person mod on the player though
18:27	Taoki	;)
18:27	Jordach	rtarded battery box http://i.imgur.com/5mYsC.png
18:28	Taoki	silly battery box :)
18:30	Taoki	Anyway, it might help if someone can tell me how in LUA you define the drawing type of a node. The main ones for in-world objects appear to be "cube" and "upright-sprite". Is there already a LUA hook for that? On top of it I need to add a string for the model, and possible a separate one for material (to allow texturing the same model differently)
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18:30	bulletrulz	hey guys
18:30	Taoki	Hi
18:31	Taoki	And yes, .obj is for static meshes only :/ Need to find out what else works
18:32	cosarara97	works in what sense?
18:32	Calinou	other formats are either MS shit or in the noone-uses-it state
18:32	Calinou	lack of MD5 and IQM support is annoying
18:33	Calinou	not sure if we can implement IQM ourselves without requiring a special version of irrlicht
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18:34	bulletrulz	back
18:34	NakedFury	for a start obj is good
18:35	NakedFury	if it works then other formats can be added
18:36	iqualfragile	pilzadam: have you thought about my ideas
18:37	PilzAdam	das waren ja eher ideen um ideen zu kriegen
18:37	Taoki	Calinou: Likely not. But really, if it works I don't mind it's a weirder format. And as long as the format can be exported from Blender
18:38	Taoki	NakedFury: Yes, that is correct. I'll still try obj with a static mesh first
18:38	NakedFury	yes
18:38	Taoki	Note: I think obj does support rigged meshes with animation skeleton. Just not actual animations coded in them
18:38	NakedFury	no reason why the game cant have many different and like you said obj can be a start
18:38	Taoki	If only animations could be applied from another file...
18:39	Octupus	srry jordach that was me
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18:43	thexyz	fuck that forum
18:43	thexyz	with its out of memory errors
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18:50	PilzAdam	bye
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18:58	OldCoder	Hi. I need to travel out of town today. I expect to return by this evening.
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19:00	Taoki	OldCoder: ok. See you later
19:01	iqualfragile	whats the time?
19:02	cosarara97	OldCoder: When is your evening?
19:03	OldCoder	cosarara97, hi
19:04	OldCoder	cosarara97, it is about 12:00noon here. I hope to be back between 5pm and 7pm.
19:04	* cosarara97	goes to have dinner
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19:15	khonkhortisan	I have the same time
19:18	OldCoder	Hi. I am leaving. I have a request. I promised to teach Octupus some Lua today but he has left. If he stops by tell him the promise is still good. Will need to be when we are both around.
19:18	* OldCoder	back later
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19:21	iqualfragile	bb
19:22	iqualfragile	its kindof 21:30 hereâ€¦
19:26	* cosarara97	is here
19:27	cosarara97	iqualfragile: same here
19:30	* GeekDude	is here too
19:31	thexyz	https://github.com/minetest/minetest
19:33	iqualfragile	wonderfull, i was just doing thatâ€¦
19:34	thexyz	well, the only change you did is readme file
19:35	thexyz	still, there should also be minetest_game fork
19:35	thexyz	i don't like PilzAdam's version anymore =(
19:35	thexyz	>Removed xdoors2
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19:41	iqualfragile	yeah, the only change i pushed was changing the readme-file
19:42	iqualfragile	but nevermind, i would not have had enought time to manage it anyways
19:44	cosarara97	So what happened to celeron?
19:46	jin_xi	he's probably busy doing other stuff
19:46	Jordach	^ pissing around on what he calls a "life"
19:50	NakedFury	how are you guys?
19:50	iqualfragile	im fine, thankyou
19:50	thexyz	Jordach: why do you hate him that much?
19:50	Jordach	because its his game and he should be doing things to it
19:51	thexyz	should?
19:51	thexyz	it's open source world
19:51	Taoki	I wonder if anyone will be able to test a code if I send them the GIT patch. I wrote a code but get illogical compile errors, and I suspect it might be something on my machine. Its not ready yet but once it is I can send a diff id anyone is interested
19:51	thexyz	Taoki: post it at forums
19:51	Taoki	ok
19:51	Jordach	this is heading towards abandoned state for a project
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19:51	NakedFury	I cant even compile, all cmake does is crap errors left and right
19:52	cosarara97	cmake?
19:52	cosarara97	I mean, I know what cmake is
19:52	cosarara97	but are the errors from cmake?
19:53	NakedFury	dont know its asks about some file and when compiling from netbeans says something about config=debug file missing yet I cant find how to deal with that
19:53	cosarara97	(never used netbeans)
19:53	cosarara97	What file is missing?
19:53	NakedFury	cmake error: your c compiler and cxx compiler:bcc32 was not found
19:54	GeekDude	I found a block that has MESE on it
19:54	cosarara97	GeekDude: So you found MESE
19:54	GeekDude	... I have not played MineTest before, what is it?
19:54	cosarara97	NakedFury: Remove CMakeCache.txt
19:54	NakedFury	GeekDude yeah crap textures. you use it for mese pick or some mods use it as an important block
19:54	cosarara97	GeekDude: The best material ever
19:55	cosarara97	I like the texture
19:55	cosarara97	I once changed it, to a more realistic one
19:55	cosarara97	and changed it back to the original
19:55	cosarara97	Because there's nothing like finding a block with MESE written on it
19:55	NakedFury	where do I find that txt file? its not in my installation area
19:55	cosarara97	:)
19:56	cosarara97	NakedFury: Maybe it isn't there
19:56	cosarara97	I just don't know why is it searching bcc32
19:56	cosarara97	SO?
19:56	cosarara97	OS*
19:57	NakedFury	windows 7
19:57	cosarara97	Compiler?
19:58	NakedFury	I got cmake and cygwin
19:58	NakedFury	have tried following guides but non mention that bcc32 stuff
19:59	cosarara97	windows hackers, help
20:00	cosarara97	I stopped using windows too early to learn how to use cmake and that kind of things on it
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20:01	GeekDude	is a MESE pick any better than a stone pick?
20:01	cosarara97	yes
20:01	cosarara97	it is the best pick
20:01	khonkhortisan	unless you have moreores
20:01	NakedFury	it is fast and durable
20:01	cosarara97	khonkhortisan: what is the best in moreores?
20:01	GeekDude	should I do anyhthing with it other than make a pick?
20:01	NakedFury	mithril
20:02	NakedFury	unless you have mods there is nothing else
20:02	khonkhortisan	some people prefer silver, but mithril is the deepest ore.
20:02	NakedFury	mesecon uses it like redstones from minecraft
20:02	mindslant	hi all, I got on last night asking if i was doing something wrong crafting, someone was nice enough to answer but I fell asleep. I place a single stack of wood into the 3x3 and absolutely nothing happens
20:02	mindslant	I'd really appreciate any clarification
20:02	khonkhortisan	hello again
20:02	NakedFury	nothing?
20:02	mindslant	hey
20:03	mindslant	nothing
20:03	NakedFury	1 tree block gives 4 wood blocks
20:03	mindslant	I right click the wood in regular inventory
20:03	khonkhortisan	the wood should only take up 1x1 of the 3x3
20:03	NakedFury	1 wood block gives 4 sticks
20:03	mindslant	into the 3x3
20:03	mindslant	one block is in the middle of the 3x3 grid nothing happens
20:03	khonkhortisan	the square on the right doesn't have anything in it?
20:03	mindslant	in the videos I've seen once you place the wood anywhere in the 3x3 a plank comes up
20:03	NakedFury	thats weird
20:03	mindslant	nope, nothing in it, so it's the game not me then?
20:04	NakedFury	you using lastest version
20:04	mindslant	let me check
20:04	NakedFury	yes something is wrong with the game if that happens
20:04	GeekDude	any enemies
20:04	GeekDude	?
20:04	khonkhortisan	no enemies in default anymore.
20:04	NakedFury	no monsters yet
20:04	mindslant	0.3.1
20:04	khonkhortisan	they've been moved to mods
20:04	NakedFury	mindslant update to 0.4.3
20:04	khonkhortisan	that's an old version of minetest
20:05	mindslant	ok...
20:05	mindslant	let me work on that. Thanks a ton, brb
20:06	GeekDude	MESE is very common, isn't it
20:07	NakedFury	you can download a 0.4.3 version with lots of mods added, for fast loading into OldCoders servers, here: http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html#SECTION03
20:07	mindslant	so, I'm running quantal 64 bit, i assume this will work: minetestc55_0.4.3-0ppa1~quantal1_amd64.deb (4.3 MiB)
20:07	GeekDude	NakedFury: Does it have a recipe list?
20:08	NakedFury	cant help there. no idea what quantal is sorry
20:08	Jordach	night all
20:08	mindslant	kubuntu's latest
20:08	NakedFury	GeekDude: no, recipes you would have to check each mods forum post. reecipes are usually similar to how they would be on minecraft
20:10	NakedFury	I guess doing a pdf file with all recipes could be an entertaining project
20:10	GeekDude	NakedFury: okay
20:12	khonkhortisan	Someone was working on a website that listed mod recipes
20:13	NakedFury	cornernot
20:13	NakedFury	e
20:13	NakedFury	but he does it for games not individual mods
20:13	NakedFury	like skyblock or pilzadams_game etc
20:15	cosarara97	mindslant: It should work
20:15	mindslant	cosarara97 , I ran it, no joy, then I ran NakeFury 's, same deal. Apt runs, says it's done, then nothing...that's weird
20:15	GeekDude	torches aren't all that bright
20:17	mindslant	qapt does this:(Reading database ... 109543 files and directories currently installed.)
20:17	mindslant	Unpacking minetestc55 (from .../minetestc55_0.4.3-0ppa1~quantal1_amd64.deb) ...
20:17	mindslant	Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...
20:17	mindslant	Done
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20:18	NakedFury	no, torches are extremely not bright. you got that right
20:20	cosarara97	mindslant: run "minetest" from the terminal
20:20	cosarara97	Alternatives to torches?
20:25	mindslant	ran the old minetest, why didn't i remove that first? then reinstalled the omni, alt+f2 to get the console, type in minetest...nothing
20:25	mindslant	looking to see why
20:25	GeekDude	do minetest items despawn?
20:25	FreeFull	No
20:26	cosarara97	Remove the old minetest and reinstall the new - omni?
20:26	NakedFury	use /clearobjects to remove them. clears all objects/entities
20:26	NekoGloop	"omni"?
20:27	GeekDude	it takes a long time to clear 'em
20:27	mindslant	omni = the file suggested by Naked Fury
20:27	NekoGloop	...
20:28	FreeFull	RealBadAngel: See on server chat
20:34	Taoki	Why am I unable to connect to a local server with a "failed to emerge player" error?
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20:36	cosarara97	Taoki: You are provably already connected there, wait until "you" time out
20:36	Taoki	cosarara97: I do, and it still won't work
20:36	Taoki	Also restarted the server and nothing
20:36	cosarara97	:S
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20:38	bulletrulz	hi
20:40	GeekDude	does the world go down indefinetly?
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20:42	cosarara97	No, but you'll probably never reach the end
20:42	NakedFury	more like 30k down I think
20:42	GeekDude	I've been diggind down for a while
20:42	NakedFury	more than enough for a dwarven kingdom
20:43	NakedFury	press f5 to see coordinates
20:43	bulletrulz	i left a thing on the mouse it it dug
20:44	GeekDude	i'm at -300
20:44	bulletrulz	qestion what is the most uses linux os in the worls
20:45	bulletrulz	geekdude greate 10000xThe time u just did to go xD
20:45	NekoGloop	^random trolling
20:46	bulletrulz	NekoGloop: You KnoW me I do it xD
20:46	NekoGloop	I dont know you.
20:47	bulletrulz	no i mean i am a random troller
20:47	bulletrulz	how are u anyway mr.GLOOPMASTER?
20:48	NekoGloop	I say "fuck off", good sir.
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20:49	bulletrulz	XD
20:49	bulletrulz	any way does opaqe water slow down fps or speed it uP?
20:50	NekoGloop	Speeds it up.
20:50	NekoGloop	But you are blind underwater.
20:50	bulletrulz	im not blind i can see
20:52	Taoki	Regarding the 3D player models: I was able to render a static obj mesh for the first time as a player. More info here: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=48624#p48624
20:52	Taoki	This is really great news
20:52	cosarara97	bulletrulz: Then you don't have it enabled
20:52	bulletrulz	no i do look
20:52	Taoki	RealBadAngel: ^
20:53	Taoki	In other words, I got 3D players to work. The basis at least. It's still a static mesh and there's a LOT more to do
20:53	iqualfragile	there is allready a 3d-player
20:53	NekoGloop	For an old version, iqual.
20:53	bulletrulz	http://tinypic.com/r/14wdkki/6
20:54	cosarara97	bulletrulz: you don't have opaque water enabled.
20:54	bulletrulz	cosarara97: yes i do
20:54	cosarara97	or opaque water stopped working
20:54	bulletrulz	want me to show u a screen shot of it
20:54	RealBadAngel	thats cool Taoki
20:54	Taoki	yes
20:54	cosarara97	bulletrulz: not needed
20:54	bulletrulz	no i cant see underwater while looking on land but underwater i can
20:55	cosarara97	oh
20:56	cosarara97	I see, same here
20:56	RealBadAngel	too see through water u shall uncheck the box
20:56	cosarara97	well it's better than being blind :)
20:57	NekoGloop	RealBadAngel: These idiots think they dont wanna.
20:57	bulletrulz	cosarara97: yeah
20:57	cosarara97	RealBadAngel: we know
20:59	cosarara97	it's just opaque water changed behavior
21:02	iqualfragile	taoki: this fork: https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/minetest already has 3d-players
21:02	GeekDude	MESE is not really all that rare. I have a stack of 60
21:02	iqualfragile	and its not that old
21:02	Taoki	iqualfragile: It uses a hard coded box set
21:02	iqualfragile	so you should be able to save some ork
21:02	cosarara97	it does, but it's nice
21:02	Taoki	Not related and ont what I'm looking for
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21:02	thexyz	they're implemented in the Wrong WayÂ©
21:02	thexyz	so +1 for Taoki's work
21:02	Taoki	This will be nicer and implemented properly
21:02	Taoki	yeah
21:02	Taoki	Thanks
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21:03	cosarara97	we all like Taoki's work, I think :)
21:04	M13_	hello
21:04	Taoki	Glad to hear that. Motivates me to complete it
21:04	* cosarara97	is going to bed now
21:04	cosarara97	bye
21:04	Taoki	I'm still new to C++ and this is hard to do, but if people want ti AND are willing to merge it, I'm glad to
21:08	iqualfragile	but please: seperate your model-loading-code
21:08	iqualfragile	so it can be used in animal-mods
21:09	iqualfragile	and: people are interested in this
21:10	iqualfragile	and the community is building its own fork
21:10	Taoki	iqualfragile: I will get to that. First I need it to work with the player
21:10	iqualfragile	so your addition will definitly get merged into that fork
21:10	Taoki	Also, I will make a LUA setting that handles player appearance I believe, so multiple meshes can be selected
21:11	Taoki	iqualfragile: If you mean OlderCoder's fork, yeah, that's very good
21:11	iqualfragile	i cant say anything about c55 branch, he is quite inactive recently
21:12	bulletrulz	Taoki: oldercoder xD isint his name oldcoder?
21:12	iqualfragile	also i cant realy understand his addition of vessels to the default-gameâ€¦
21:12	Taoki	Sorry, my mistake
21:12	iqualfragile	and: no, i did not mean his specific fork
21:12	iqualfragile	there are 2-3 forks at the moment wich look prommising
21:12	iqualfragile	(thexyz)
21:13	thexyz	um?
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21:13	iqualfragile	and i guess in about half a week upto a full week there will be one official community-fork
21:14	iqualfragile	i just mentiened your fork
21:15	Taoki	Too many forks split things up a lot. I'd rather see one
21:15	Taoki	OldCoders's is good IMO
21:15	thexyz	Taoki: where's his repo?
21:15	Taoki	thexyz: It's not on GIT yet but it will be
21:16	iqualfragile	as i said: i guess ther will be one official fork in some days
21:16	thexyz	where's changelog?
21:16	iqualfragile	none yet
21:16	thexyz	for oldcoder's fork
21:16	iqualfragile	but you can download the source from his website
21:16	thexyz	oh
21:17	iqualfragile	you can just diff against your fork
21:17	iqualfragile	i dont think there will be too many differences
21:17	thexyz	"official community fork" sounds strange..
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21:18	iqualfragile	common community fork?
21:20	thexyz	i thought mine was "community fork"
21:21	iqualfragile	but there still ist oldcoders fork
21:21	iqualfragile	but i guess he will give it up in favour of your fork
21:21	iqualfragile	https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/minetest/commit/aad37ec68bd75067aecf27554de990a94e901127
21:21	iqualfragile	yup, hardcoded
21:23	thexyz	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/db_backends
21:24	iqualfragile	thexyz: could you please read througt the changes of jordan4ibanez flork and look for changes wich seem worth keeping? i especialy think about small details like:
21:24	iqualfragile	https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/minetest/commit/b6a41739cbd308f77c8c4af57e4451ff27e5f413
21:24	iqualfragile	https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/minetest/commit/51bb11b3906a54598e5f03e03d363867fd1d044a
21:25	iqualfragile	because fine-tuning is what minetest does not have
21:25	iqualfragile	they allso seem to have updated the main-menue: https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/minetest/blob/master/src/guiMainMenu.cpp
21:26	iqualfragile	nah, just added themselves to the credits
21:31	Taoki	The changes for my 3D model (so far) can be seen here: https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest/commit/0fd4508c6f0332a6818103015604ae810e4a6fcc
21:32	iqualfragile	great!
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22:24	Taoki	Can anyone quickly explain how I can make a LUA function in init.lua be triggered by a command in the chat (with parameters)?
22:24	Taoki	Where the first parameter is checked to know the function to run / respond to, and the others are parsed values
22:24	Taoki	Or can I make LUA respond to a key for now?
22:29	khonkhortisan	worldedit has good examples
22:30	khonkhortisan	https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit/blob/master/worldedit_commands/init.lua
22:31	khonkhortisan	I think you'll need loadstring()
22:32	khonkhortisan	minetest.register_chatcommand('/exec', { params = 'string'
22:32	khonkhortisan	oops
22:32	khonkhortisan	minetest.register_chatcommand('/exec', { params = '<string>', description = "Run string", func = function(name,param) loadstring(param) end, })
22:33	Taoki	thanks
22:33	khonkhortisan	that ^ would be a dangerous command, as it doesn't process what you're trying to do, and you could run a function with bad arguments and crash the server, or worse, write/run files.
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23:02	RealBadAngel	somebody has a short chainsaw sound?
23:04	Uberi	one moment
23:04	Uberi	try this: http://www.pdsounds.org/library_abc/c/chainsaw
23:04	Uberi	it's all PD so you can use it without any restrictions basically
23:06	RealBadAngel	one is quite good
23:06	RealBadAngel	but 10s long
23:06	RealBadAngel	and i need just the "cutting" part from it
23:07	RealBadAngel	anybody with audio editing skills?
23:07	Uberi	what part do you need?
23:07	Uberi	I can trim it for you
23:08	RealBadAngel	http://www.pdsounds.org/sounds/chainsaw_10
23:08	RealBadAngel	when it actually cuts
23:08	Uberi	got a timestamp?
23:08	Uberi	for example, 0:15 to 0:18
23:08	RealBadAngel	circa 2s to 5s
23:09	Uberi	got it
23:10	Uberi	does it need to be louder? it seems pretty quiet to me
23:11	RealBadAngel	yeah its a bit too quiet
23:13	Uberi	here ya go: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8097754/chainsaw-10.mp3
23:13	RealBadAngel	checkin
23:13	Taoki	I am heading off for now. Currently I'm working on allowing LUA to change the player models, so scripts can be used to customize the player. Having a hard time because the mesh is only set once a node is initialized, I don't know how to update it after. Guess I need to think of a way... difficult to test and all
23:14	Uberi	hey Taoki, need player models?
23:15	Taoki	Uberi: Making a model is the smallest concern for now
23:15	Taoki	I can handle that once I get to that part. Lots of code to do first
23:16	Uberi	oh neat you put up the GH link
23:16	Taoki	If anyone has hints on where I could update the mesh of a player / node after it's been initialized, feel free to let me know
23:16	Taoki	Yes, the code from earlier is there. No LUA stuff yet, still working on that before it's on GIT
23:16	Taoki	night
23:16	Uberi	bye!
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23:18	Uberi	RealBadAngel: mind if I take the link down now?
23:18	RealBadAngel	sure
23:18	RealBadAngel	converted it to ogg already
23:18	Uberi	awesome
23:18	RealBadAngel	about to test it in game
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23:21	RealBadAngel	Uberi: perfecto :) thx a lot
23:21	RealBadAngel	chainsaw is now done
23:21	Uberi	no problem :)
23:21	RealBadAngel	will be added to servers when OldCoder will be back
23:23	RealBadAngel	now the timber mod makes sense, no more chopping whole tree with hand
23:23	RealBadAngel	you need chainsaw for it :)
23:23	Uberi	oh wow that does improve gameplay :)
23:24	RealBadAngel	one full charge allows to cut 50 trees
23:24	RealBadAngel	going to upload update in a few minutes
23:24	RealBadAngel	testing it now
23:27	RealBadAngel	works awesome
23:33	RealBadAngel	ok, technic updated with chainsaw
23:33	Uberi	\o/
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