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14:55 TenPlus1 hi folks :)
14:55 MTDiscord <entuland> yo
14:55 TenPlus1 hi entuland o/
14:55 entuland hey there Ten
14:56 TenPlus1 how's the day ?
14:58 MTDiscord <entuland> not bad thanks, hope all is good there
14:58 TenPlus1 it's melty here :P too hot for Scotland
14:58 MTDiscord <entuland> ehehhe
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15:16 TenPlus1 hi fixer
15:16 Fixer hi TenPlus1!
15:16 TenPlus1 o//
15:22 Fixer \o
15:23 TenPlus1 :P
15:23 TenPlus1 seems that he who must not be named has an accomplise under the guise of BeanMan/TenPlus2
15:45 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Well, we don't actually know that TP2 was the one to post that repo, or that he who shall not be named is involved (unless there is new information). We know that whoever did is posing as TP2, but it would be trivial to do so.
15:45 TenPlus1 hey Benrob :)
15:46 TenPlus1 and yes, things said, logs recorded and nicks used on server have linked tenplus2 to beanman
15:47 MTDiscord <wwar> TenPlus2 is BeanMan that the chatlogs are the msgs that were sent when one of his alts was online
15:47 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Do you have anything I can cite or do I just have to take your word for it? :P
15:48 MTDiscord <wwar> you can see that chatlogs > see my msgs
15:48 MTDiscord <wwar> Last msg of mine was to BogieSmalls  which is him
15:49 TenPlus1 https://github.com/MinetestPlayerData/LeakedData <-- most of the logs are the same that beanman posted/linked
15:49 MTDiscord <wwar> TenPlus1 did check BogieSmalls IP address from ingame and it was Zanzi/BeanMan
15:50 TenPlus1 ips are kept for 30 days, it's just by going by his last login
15:51 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> So..just that he was online during the time period that was posted?
15:51 TenPlus1 not just online but posting the same chat logs under many nicks
15:51 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Posting where?
15:51 TenPlus1 the link I jus tposted
15:52 TenPlus1 is one source, msgs in forum is another, pvt msg is another
15:52 MTDiscord <Jordach> i should point out by allowing him to do that is a massive fine from the EU commision via GDPR so please deal with him fast
15:52 TenPlus1 I've reported his account to github for posting logs
15:52 TenPlus1 waiting on a reply
15:53 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> And TP2 has been confirmed to be involved and not just framed?
15:53 MTDiscord <Jordach> > TenPlus1 did check BogieSmalls IP address from ingame and it was Zanzi/BeanMan
15:53 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> That doesn't answer my question
15:53 TenPlus1 it's defo beanman/zanzi/whatever nick he's using now
15:53 MTDiscord <Jordach> > and yes, things said, logs recorded and nicks used on server have linked tenplus2 to beanman
15:53 MTDiscord <Jordach> tenplus1 already mentioned this
15:54 TenPlus1 ip_per_name only keeps the info I need for so long, I should up it to 120 days
15:54 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Again, by what? I keep seeing that its confirmed but I want to know exactly why
15:54 MTDiscord <wwar> Check my last msg in that logs > it was something to "BogieSmalls" which is more than 1 month ago that means he logs the msgs when he is online only
15:55 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> That seems tentative at best
15:55 TenPlus1 confirmed by what's being said, logs mentioned, repetative statements, ip's leading to specific vpn gateways and nicks on server being used to run a hacked client and cause upset on server
15:55 TenPlus1 but we're already so offtopic I'm gonna stop now
15:56 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I don't think this is offtopic in the slightest, its discussing community matters
15:57 TenPlus1 *phew*
15:57 MTDiscord <Jordach> No this is potentially legal hot water with fines in the millions of dollars
15:58 TenPlus1 for whom ?
15:59 MTDiscord <Jordach> Server owners who allow unauthorised copying of data without consent given from underage children
15:59 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I was hoping for a simple "We checked and TP2 has the same IP" or something
15:59 MTDiscord <wwar> TP2 didnt login
15:59 MTDiscord <wwar> he used this name in forums and github only
16:00 TenPlus1 he's using vpn's
16:00 MTDiscord <Jordach> Also the email TP2 used on GH doesn’t match any user
16:00 TenPlus1 but has alias accounts we're trying to track where helogs in and records the chat
16:00 MTDiscord <Jordach> On GH specifically as it just shows a plain text user
16:01 MTDiscord <wwar> See the time interval between these 2 msgs: this means he logs the msgs only when one of his alts is online
16:01 MTDiscord <wwar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/849316611441426473/Screenshot_2021-06-01-19-01-31.png
16:01 MTDiscord <wwar> Also most msgs in chatlogs are "welcome" msgs which means somebody just joined the game
16:01 TenPlus1 the fact he's recording all this is worrying at best
16:03 MTDiscord <Jordach> legally dangerous
16:03 MTDiscord <wwar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/849317314902229042/Screenshot_2021-06-01-19-05-55.png
16:03 MTDiscord <wwar> last time he joined the server he joined with too many alts at the same time and that is why these msgs have been repeated too many times
16:03 TenPlus1 may I copy what you said into the issue posted on that git account jordach ?
16:04 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> sighs at feeling like he's beating a dead horse
16:04 MTDiscord <Jordach> he wont listen
16:04 MTDiscord <Jordach> he's some assblasted DF user
16:04 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> You don't know that
16:04 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> You extrapolated that
16:04 MTDiscord <Jordach> look at every cheater online who says it wasn't me when it clearly was
16:05 MTDiscord <Jordach> humans are creatures of habit
16:05 TenPlus1 he originally broke the rules and was limited from server
16:05 TenPlus1 and from that he started his reign of terror
16:05 TenPlus1 instead of simply making a new account and continuing to play (3 chances)
16:05 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Who? Who do we know for certain is connected with this and not easily framed?
16:08 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Y'know what, I'mma just step out of this. I'm not going to get clear-cut answers that don't feel like they're mixing evidence for various nickname's involvement.
16:09 MTDiscord <Jordach> No you forget that the same IP address has linked all the names before
16:09 MTDiscord <Jordach> I bet they share the exact password too
16:09 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Except TP2, who hasn't logged in, so that's not enough on its own.
16:09 TenPlus1 yes, and vpn exit
16:10 TenPlus1 he's created the TenPlus2 account as a nod to say he's still around, and logs link him specifically with the other accounts, otherwise he wouldnt have them
16:10 MTDiscord <Jordach> At what point are you going to realise this is a legal matter that can destroy any server admin who didn’t know this was occurring at all
16:11 MTDiscord <Jordach> One email to the EU commission and you’re fucking toast
16:11 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> So there is a known link outside of GH that shows TP2 is an alt?
16:11 MTDiscord <Jordach> Yes
16:12 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I didn't ask you
16:12 TenPlus1 we have specific rules not to record for this reason, he broke them by doing so, and server borders have been closed to new players because of it
16:12 MTDiscord <wwar> https://github.com/MinetestPlayerData/LeakedData/blob/master/chatlogs/%1B(c@%23ffdf00)wwar%1B(c@%23ffffff).txt see the msgs of mine, i was online alot at that times but what is logged here are mostly welcome messages, to succo/piestan/BogieSmalls which are connected to Zanzi's zccount
16:13 MTDiscord <wwar> My last msgs were repeated too many times because he joined in 5 or 6 accounts at the same time with names like  IIiiIiIIiII
16:13 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Oh my God, why can't I get a straight answer for my one question
16:14 MTDiscord <wwar> Also its obvious its him, why does he have chatlogs on Xanadu only?
16:14 MTDiscord <Jordach> Why do we need to spoon feed you when the answers are in scroll back already
16:14 TenPlus1 ben, it's ok, it's not your worry, thanks for listening anyway
16:15 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Oh no it is my worry, but I'm walking away on this one.
16:32 Megaf Oh boi, this is linked to Discord,
16:33 Megaf cya, way too much noise and confusion
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16:36 TenPlus1 sorry folks
16:38 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> So, just to be clear, you have concrete evidence that specifically TenPlus2 is tied to the other accounts by IP?
16:39 TenPlus1 tied to accounts by logs pasted under alternative id's using vpn tracked to his other nicks
16:39 TenPlus1 also hi GreenXenith
16:40 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Alright break down that entire sentence into something we can understand
16:40 TenPlus1 lol, tp2 pasted logs that were copies of the one's shown by zanzi/beanman who's id's are linked to the same person
16:41 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> TP2 pasted logs shown by Zanzi, meaning Zanzi has also pasted logs somewhere?
16:41 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> And how have you linked Zanzi and Beanman to TP2?
16:41 TenPlus1 forum entries of logs/things said that were removed by ruben per his request under zanzi when he fake apologised
16:41 MTDiscord <wwar> @XenMinus8 see the chat logs, theye stuff that people said when one of his alts was online
16:42 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> @wwar irrelevant
16:42 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> TenPlus1: And again, how have you linked Zanzi/Beanman to TP2?
16:42 MTDiscord <wwar> TP2 posted the chat logs and the chat logs are msgs were sent when Zanzi Or beanman was online
16:43 TenPlus1 sorry folks, this is bringing my mental health right down, I gotta go for now
16:44 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> @wwar correction: Someone with the nickname "TenPlus2" pasted chat logs.
16:44 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> They could just as well have named themselves "wwar"
16:45 MTDiscord <wwar> for now we know that github TenPlus2 = Zanzi
16:45 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> With what proof
16:45 MTDiscord <wwar> the one in github
16:45 MTDiscord <wwar> > TP2 posted the chat logs and the chat logs are msgs were sent when Zanzi Or beanman was online
16:45 MTDiscord <wwar> This prooves that the one in github is him
16:45 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Oh it does? TenPlus1 was also online
16:45 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> And so were some other people
16:46 MTDiscord <wwar> yes but these msgs were said when he was online and no msgs when eh was not
16:46 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I think I understand this bit. The logs have gaps which are specifically when Zanzi went offline.
16:46 MTDiscord <wwar> TenPlus1 want online when most of these were said
16:47 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Alright, so the GitHub account is Zanzi. The original question has yet to be answered.
16:47 MTDiscord <wwar> This is my lasts msgs in his chatlogs
16:47 MTDiscord <wwar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/849328223324995604/Screenshot_2021-06-01-19-05-55.png
16:47 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Is there any concrete proof that Zanzi is in fact TP2?
16:47 MTDiscord <wwar> the one in forums?
16:47 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> The one from the forums, notabug, and Discord
16:49 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> For all you know, Zanzi has it out for TenPlus2 and uploaded this to GitHub under TP2's name just to make a mess
16:50 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> This is why Ben was trying to find answers earlier, and this is why we are all frustrated no one wants to give any real answers.
16:50 MTDiscord <wwar> No one wants?
16:50 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> That is what I said, yes
16:51 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Do you require further clarification?
16:51 MTDiscord <wwar> so we all now just want to blame him? we did come to a point which is one in github is him
16:51 MTDiscord <wwar> i will not say any words come to my mind, im looking again in something between the forums guy and github one
16:51 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Indeed, it does look like everyone is content to say that the GitHub TP2 must certainly be the real TP2 because they share the name
16:52 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Which is naive at best
16:52 MTDiscord <wwar> i never said that, we were talking about teh github one earlier
16:52 MTDiscord <wwar> But it cant be a concidence
16:53 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Ben was asking about connections between the GitHub and real TP2.
16:53 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Or, at least, trying. And no one was giving straight answers.
16:53 MTDiscord <wwar> Because we are not sitting near TP2 we cant give a yes or no answer
16:54 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> You can absolutely give a yes or no answer to "do you have solid evidence the two are the same"
16:54 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> And the answer is "no".
16:54 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> wwar, I appreciate you and tenplus1's efforts to look into this, I really do and you guys have brought things to the table I could have never thought of myself. But I also needed clear answers because this kind of information is all to easy to muddy up and misunderstand, and I wanted to know where we knew and where we assumed things were connected.
16:54 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I manage multiple MT-related spaces so it is a situation I have at least some investment in.
16:55 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I apologise for getting flustered earlier, though, that didn't help.
16:55 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> (Mostly for those on IRC) We on Discord are more concerned about this than normal because it has implications regarding other recent events that may need amending should this turn out to be a horrific misunderstanding.
16:58 MTDiscord <wwar> I cant give a 100% evidience right now, But someone came to forums with a name similar to TenPlus1 which is TenPlus2 in the times someone just wants to say bad thing about TenPlus1's server and then someone came to forums with the TenPlus2 name in github and shared the chat logs of tenPlus1's server
16:59 MTDiscord <wwar> Is this a concidence??
16:59 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Yes, that is the definition of a coincidence.
16:59 MTDiscord <wwar> Huh
17:00 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Especially because said person has mostly done constructive things on the forum, Discord, and notabug
17:00 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> TP2 is new, the Github name is easily spoofed, they are an easy target.
17:01 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I'm not saying that it isn't them, I'm saying I need more than the Github connection.
17:01 MTDiscord <wwar> So they joined discord, forums and notabug and didnt join Github only and someone came and found that and made an account in that name in github
17:01 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> If we don't have it, we don't have it.
17:01 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Actually no, there is no tenplus2 account on GIthub
17:02 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> just the commit name
17:02 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> (and email)
17:02 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> The account it was posted under shares the avatar, but that is hardly evidence
17:02 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> All of which are trivial to get a hold of, and spoof with the way Git works.
17:03 MTDiscord <Jonathon> At this point there is no concrete evidence other than stuff that can be easily faked
17:03 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> There seems to be reasonable evidence that this person is Zanzi/beanman at least
17:03 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> And unfortunately our avenues for asking the person in question directly have been .. slimmed 😒
17:04 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> (this person referring to the logs poster on Github)
17:04 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> (in my message)
17:04 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> (and the known real one in my message)
17:05 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I'm gonna just start using specific terms, it gets way too confusing without them
17:06 MTDiscord <wwar> This is not getting us anywhere atleast we know this github guy is him, i can not give a 100% evidience and no one can since these are different media forums but like i didnt give a 100% evidience we cant say its 100% faked
17:06 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Who is 'him' in this case?
17:06 MTDiscord <wwar> First him > Zanzi
17:06 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Thank you
17:07 MTDiscord <wwar> I dont need the one in forums banned anyways, Zanzi is just a person who can ruin mt servers like that
17:08 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> It sounded like Tenplus1 was trying to say that TP2 had been a known alt of Zanzi, is that a thing or is that based on the Git commit username?
17:08 MTDiscord <wwar> thought you'd look for evidience with me instead of saying everything here was a concidence or faked since Zanzi guy is a person who can ruin the game
17:08 MTDiscord <wwar> TenPlus2 never logged in the minetest server
17:09 MTDiscord <wwar> But as we have discussed earlier we know the github one is Zanzi but there is a chance of the github guy using the TenPlus2 name to make us think he is the forums one as you said
17:10 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Alright, thanks.
17:10 MTDiscord <wwar> o/
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