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TenPlus1 |
hi folks :) |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> yo |
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TenPlus1 |
hi entuland o/ |
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entuland |
hey there Ten |
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TenPlus1 |
how's the day ? |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> not bad thanks, hope all is good there |
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TenPlus1 |
it's melty here :P too hot for Scotland |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> ehehhe |
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TenPlus1 |
hi fixer |
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Fixer |
hi TenPlus1! |
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TenPlus1 |
o// |
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Fixer |
\o |
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TenPlus1 |
:P |
| 15:23 |
TenPlus1 |
seems that he who must not be named has an accomplise under the guise of BeanMan/TenPlus2 |
| 15:45 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Well, we don't actually know that TP2 was the one to post that repo, or that he who shall not be named is involved (unless there is new information). We know that whoever did is posing as TP2, but it would be trivial to do so. |
| 15:45 |
TenPlus1 |
hey Benrob :) |
| 15:46 |
TenPlus1 |
and yes, things said, logs recorded and nicks used on server have linked tenplus2 to beanman |
| 15:47 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> TenPlus2 is BeanMan that the chatlogs are the msgs that were sent when one of his alts was online |
| 15:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Do you have anything I can cite or do I just have to take your word for it? :P |
| 15:48 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> you can see that chatlogs > see my msgs |
| 15:48 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> Last msg of mine was to BogieSmalls which is him |
| 15:49 |
TenPlus1 |
https://github.com/MinetestPlayerData/LeakedData <-- most of the logs are the same that beanman posted/linked |
| 15:49 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> TenPlus1 did check BogieSmalls IP address from ingame and it was Zanzi/BeanMan |
| 15:50 |
TenPlus1 |
ips are kept for 30 days, it's just by going by his last login |
| 15:51 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> So..just that he was online during the time period that was posted? |
| 15:51 |
TenPlus1 |
not just online but posting the same chat logs under many nicks |
| 15:51 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Posting where? |
| 15:51 |
TenPlus1 |
the link I jus tposted |
| 15:52 |
TenPlus1 |
is one source, msgs in forum is another, pvt msg is another |
| 15:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> i should point out by allowing him to do that is a massive fine from the EU commision via GDPR so please deal with him fast |
| 15:52 |
TenPlus1 |
I've reported his account to github for posting logs |
| 15:52 |
TenPlus1 |
waiting on a reply |
| 15:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> And TP2 has been confirmed to be involved and not just framed? |
| 15:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> > TenPlus1 did check BogieSmalls IP address from ingame and it was Zanzi/BeanMan |
| 15:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> That doesn't answer my question |
| 15:53 |
TenPlus1 |
it's defo beanman/zanzi/whatever nick he's using now |
| 15:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> > and yes, things said, logs recorded and nicks used on server have linked tenplus2 to beanman |
| 15:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> tenplus1 already mentioned this |
| 15:54 |
TenPlus1 |
ip_per_name only keeps the info I need for so long, I should up it to 120 days |
| 15:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Again, by what? I keep seeing that its confirmed but I want to know exactly why |
| 15:54 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> Check my last msg in that logs > it was something to "BogieSmalls" which is more than 1 month ago that means he logs the msgs when he is online only |
| 15:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> That seems tentative at best |
| 15:55 |
TenPlus1 |
confirmed by what's being said, logs mentioned, repetative statements, ip's leading to specific vpn gateways and nicks on server being used to run a hacked client and cause upset on server |
| 15:55 |
TenPlus1 |
but we're already so offtopic I'm gonna stop now |
| 15:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I don't think this is offtopic in the slightest, its discussing community matters |
| 15:57 |
TenPlus1 |
*phew* |
| 15:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> No this is potentially legal hot water with fines in the millions of dollars |
| 15:58 |
TenPlus1 |
for whom ? |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> Server owners who allow unauthorised copying of data without consent given from underage children |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I was hoping for a simple "We checked and TP2 has the same IP" or something |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> TP2 didnt login |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> he used this name in forums and github only |
| 16:00 |
TenPlus1 |
he's using vpn's |
| 16:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> Also the email TP2 used on GH doesn’t match any user |
| 16:00 |
TenPlus1 |
but has alias accounts we're trying to track where helogs in and records the chat |
| 16:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> On GH specifically as it just shows a plain text user |
| 16:01 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> See the time interval between these 2 msgs: this means he logs the msgs only when one of his alts is online |
| 16:01 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/849316611441426473/Screenshot_2021-06-01-19-01-31.png |
| 16:01 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> Also most msgs in chatlogs are "welcome" msgs which means somebody just joined the game |
| 16:01 |
TenPlus1 |
the fact he's recording all this is worrying at best |
| 16:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> legally dangerous |
| 16:03 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/849317314902229042/Screenshot_2021-06-01-19-05-55.png |
| 16:03 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> last time he joined the server he joined with too many alts at the same time and that is why these msgs have been repeated too many times |
| 16:03 |
TenPlus1 |
may I copy what you said into the issue posted on that git account jordach ? |
| 16:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> sighs at feeling like he's beating a dead horse |
| 16:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> he wont listen |
| 16:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> he's some assblasted DF user |
| 16:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> You don't know that |
| 16:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> You extrapolated that |
| 16:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> look at every cheater online who says it wasn't me when it clearly was |
| 16:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> humans are creatures of habit |
| 16:05 |
TenPlus1 |
he originally broke the rules and was limited from server |
| 16:05 |
TenPlus1 |
and from that he started his reign of terror |
| 16:05 |
TenPlus1 |
instead of simply making a new account and continuing to play (3 chances) |
| 16:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Who? Who do we know for certain is connected with this and not easily framed? |
| 16:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Y'know what, I'mma just step out of this. I'm not going to get clear-cut answers that don't feel like they're mixing evidence for various nickname's involvement. |
| 16:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> No you forget that the same IP address has linked all the names before |
| 16:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> I bet they share the exact password too |
| 16:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Except TP2, who hasn't logged in, so that's not enough on its own. |
| 16:09 |
TenPlus1 |
yes, and vpn exit |
| 16:10 |
TenPlus1 |
he's created the TenPlus2 account as a nod to say he's still around, and logs link him specifically with the other accounts, otherwise he wouldnt have them |
| 16:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> At what point are you going to realise this is a legal matter that can destroy any server admin who didn’t know this was occurring at all |
| 16:11 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> One email to the EU commission and you’re fucking toast |
| 16:11 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> So there is a known link outside of GH that shows TP2 is an alt? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> Yes |
| 16:12 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I didn't ask you |
| 16:12 |
TenPlus1 |
we have specific rules not to record for this reason, he broke them by doing so, and server borders have been closed to new players because of it |
| 16:12 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> https://github.com/MinetestPlayerData/LeakedData/blob/master/chatlogs/%1B(c@%23ffdf00)wwar%1B(c@%23ffffff).txt see the msgs of mine, i was online alot at that times but what is logged here are mostly welcome messages, to succo/piestan/BogieSmalls which are connected to Zanzi's zccount |
| 16:13 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> My last msgs were repeated too many times because he joined in 5 or 6 accounts at the same time with names like IIiiIiIIiII |
| 16:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Oh my God, why can't I get a straight answer for my one question |
| 16:14 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> Also its obvious its him, why does he have chatlogs on Xanadu only? |
| 16:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> Why do we need to spoon feed you when the answers are in scroll back already |
| 16:14 |
TenPlus1 |
ben, it's ok, it's not your worry, thanks for listening anyway |
| 16:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Oh no it is my worry, but I'm walking away on this one. |
| 16:32 |
Megaf |
Oh boi, this is linked to Discord, |
| 16:33 |
Megaf |
cya, way too much noise and confusion |
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| 16:36 |
TenPlus1 |
sorry folks |
| 16:38 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> So, just to be clear, you have concrete evidence that specifically TenPlus2 is tied to the other accounts by IP? |
| 16:39 |
TenPlus1 |
tied to accounts by logs pasted under alternative id's using vpn tracked to his other nicks |
| 16:39 |
TenPlus1 |
also hi GreenXenith |
| 16:40 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Alright break down that entire sentence into something we can understand |
| 16:40 |
TenPlus1 |
lol, tp2 pasted logs that were copies of the one's shown by zanzi/beanman who's id's are linked to the same person |
| 16:41 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> TP2 pasted logs shown by Zanzi, meaning Zanzi has also pasted logs somewhere? |
| 16:41 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> And how have you linked Zanzi and Beanman to TP2? |
| 16:41 |
TenPlus1 |
forum entries of logs/things said that were removed by ruben per his request under zanzi when he fake apologised |
| 16:41 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> @XenMinus8 see the chat logs, theye stuff that people said when one of his alts was online |
| 16:42 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> @wwar irrelevant |
| 16:42 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> TenPlus1: And again, how have you linked Zanzi/Beanman to TP2? |
| 16:42 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> TP2 posted the chat logs and the chat logs are msgs were sent when Zanzi Or beanman was online |
| 16:43 |
TenPlus1 |
sorry folks, this is bringing my mental health right down, I gotta go for now |
| 16:44 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> @wwar correction: Someone with the nickname "TenPlus2" pasted chat logs. |
| 16:44 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> They could just as well have named themselves "wwar" |
| 16:45 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> for now we know that github TenPlus2 = Zanzi |
| 16:45 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> With what proof |
| 16:45 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> the one in github |
| 16:45 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> > TP2 posted the chat logs and the chat logs are msgs were sent when Zanzi Or beanman was online |
| 16:45 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> This prooves that the one in github is him |
| 16:45 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Oh it does? TenPlus1 was also online |
| 16:45 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> And so were some other people |
| 16:46 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> yes but these msgs were said when he was online and no msgs when eh was not |
| 16:46 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I think I understand this bit. The logs have gaps which are specifically when Zanzi went offline. |
| 16:46 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> TenPlus1 want online when most of these were said |
| 16:47 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Alright, so the GitHub account is Zanzi. The original question has yet to be answered. |
| 16:47 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> This is my lasts msgs in his chatlogs |
| 16:47 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/849328223324995604/Screenshot_2021-06-01-19-05-55.png |
| 16:47 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Is there any concrete proof that Zanzi is in fact TP2? |
| 16:47 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> the one in forums? |
| 16:47 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> The one from the forums, notabug, and Discord |
| 16:49 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> For all you know, Zanzi has it out for TenPlus2 and uploaded this to GitHub under TP2's name just to make a mess |
| 16:50 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> This is why Ben was trying to find answers earlier, and this is why we are all frustrated no one wants to give any real answers. |
| 16:50 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> No one wants? |
| 16:50 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> That is what I said, yes |
| 16:51 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Do you require further clarification? |
| 16:51 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> so we all now just want to blame him? we did come to a point which is one in github is him |
| 16:51 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> i will not say any words come to my mind, im looking again in something between the forums guy and github one |
| 16:51 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Indeed, it does look like everyone is content to say that the GitHub TP2 must certainly be the real TP2 because they share the name |
| 16:52 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Which is naive at best |
| 16:52 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> i never said that, we were talking about teh github one earlier |
| 16:52 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> But it cant be a concidence |
| 16:53 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Ben was asking about connections between the GitHub and real TP2. |
| 16:53 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Or, at least, trying. And no one was giving straight answers. |
| 16:53 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> Because we are not sitting near TP2 we cant give a yes or no answer |
| 16:54 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> You can absolutely give a yes or no answer to "do you have solid evidence the two are the same" |
| 16:54 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> And the answer is "no". |
| 16:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> wwar, I appreciate you and tenplus1's efforts to look into this, I really do and you guys have brought things to the table I could have never thought of myself. But I also needed clear answers because this kind of information is all to easy to muddy up and misunderstand, and I wanted to know where we knew and where we assumed things were connected. |
| 16:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I manage multiple MT-related spaces so it is a situation I have at least some investment in. |
| 16:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I apologise for getting flustered earlier, though, that didn't help. |
| 16:55 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> (Mostly for those on IRC) We on Discord are more concerned about this than normal because it has implications regarding other recent events that may need amending should this turn out to be a horrific misunderstanding. |
| 16:58 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> I cant give a 100% evidience right now, But someone came to forums with a name similar to TenPlus1 which is TenPlus2 in the times someone just wants to say bad thing about TenPlus1's server and then someone came to forums with the TenPlus2 name in github and shared the chat logs of tenPlus1's server |
| 16:59 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> Is this a concidence?? |
| 16:59 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Yes, that is the definition of a coincidence. |
| 16:59 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> Huh |
| 17:00 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Especially because said person has mostly done constructive things on the forum, Discord, and notabug |
| 17:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> TP2 is new, the Github name is easily spoofed, they are an easy target. |
| 17:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I'm not saying that it isn't them, I'm saying I need more than the Github connection. |
| 17:01 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> So they joined discord, forums and notabug and didnt join Github only and someone came and found that and made an account in that name in github |
| 17:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> If we don't have it, we don't have it. |
| 17:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Actually no, there is no tenplus2 account on GIthub |
| 17:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> just the commit name |
| 17:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> (and email) |
| 17:02 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> The account it was posted under shares the avatar, but that is hardly evidence |
| 17:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> All of which are trivial to get a hold of, and spoof with the way Git works. |
| 17:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> At this point there is no concrete evidence other than stuff that can be easily faked |
| 17:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> There seems to be reasonable evidence that this person is Zanzi/beanman at least |
| 17:03 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> And unfortunately our avenues for asking the person in question directly have been .. slimmed ? |
| 17:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> (this person referring to the logs poster on Github) |
| 17:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> (in my message) |
| 17:04 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> (and the known real one in my message) |
| 17:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I'm gonna just start using specific terms, it gets way too confusing without them |
| 17:06 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> This is not getting us anywhere atleast we know this github guy is him, i can not give a 100% evidience and no one can since these are different media forums but like i didnt give a 100% evidience we cant say its 100% faked |
| 17:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Who is 'him' in this case? |
| 17:06 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> First him > Zanzi |
| 17:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Thank you |
| 17:07 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> I dont need the one in forums banned anyways, Zanzi is just a person who can ruin mt servers like that |
| 17:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> It sounded like Tenplus1 was trying to say that TP2 had been a known alt of Zanzi, is that a thing or is that based on the Git commit username? |
| 17:08 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> thought you'd look for evidience with me instead of saying everything here was a concidence or faked since Zanzi guy is a person who can ruin the game |
| 17:08 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> TenPlus2 never logged in the minetest server |
| 17:09 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> But as we have discussed earlier we know the github one is Zanzi but there is a chance of the github guy using the TenPlus2 name to make us think he is the forums one as you said |
| 17:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Alright, thanks. |
| 17:10 |
MTDiscord |
<wwar> o/ |
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