Time Nick Message 14:55 TenPlus1 hi folks :) 14:55 MTDiscord yo 14:55 TenPlus1 hi entuland o/ 14:55 entuland hey there Ten 14:56 TenPlus1 how's the day ? 14:58 MTDiscord not bad thanks, hope all is good there 14:58 TenPlus1 it's melty here :P too hot for Scotland 14:58 MTDiscord ehehhe 15:16 TenPlus1 hi fixer 15:16 Fixer hi TenPlus1! 15:16 TenPlus1 o// 15:22 Fixer \o 15:23 TenPlus1 :P 15:23 TenPlus1 seems that he who must not be named has an accomplise under the guise of BeanMan/TenPlus2 15:45 MTDiscord Well, we don't actually know that TP2 was the one to post that repo, or that he who shall not be named is involved (unless there is new information). We know that whoever did is posing as TP2, but it would be trivial to do so. 15:45 TenPlus1 hey Benrob :) 15:46 TenPlus1 and yes, things said, logs recorded and nicks used on server have linked tenplus2 to beanman 15:47 MTDiscord TenPlus2 is BeanMan that the chatlogs are the msgs that were sent when one of his alts was online 15:47 MTDiscord Do you have anything I can cite or do I just have to take your word for it? :P 15:48 MTDiscord you can see that chatlogs > see my msgs 15:48 MTDiscord Last msg of mine was to BogieSmalls which is him 15:49 TenPlus1 https://github.com/MinetestPlayerData/LeakedData <-- most of the logs are the same that beanman posted/linked 15:49 MTDiscord TenPlus1 did check BogieSmalls IP address from ingame and it was Zanzi/BeanMan 15:50 TenPlus1 ips are kept for 30 days, it's just by going by his last login 15:51 MTDiscord So..just that he was online during the time period that was posted? 15:51 TenPlus1 not just online but posting the same chat logs under many nicks 15:51 MTDiscord Posting where? 15:51 TenPlus1 the link I jus tposted 15:52 TenPlus1 is one source, msgs in forum is another, pvt msg is another 15:52 MTDiscord i should point out by allowing him to do that is a massive fine from the EU commision via GDPR so please deal with him fast 15:52 TenPlus1 I've reported his account to github for posting logs 15:52 TenPlus1 waiting on a reply 15:53 MTDiscord And TP2 has been confirmed to be involved and not just framed? 15:53 MTDiscord > TenPlus1 did check BogieSmalls IP address from ingame and it was Zanzi/BeanMan 15:53 MTDiscord That doesn't answer my question 15:53 TenPlus1 it's defo beanman/zanzi/whatever nick he's using now 15:53 MTDiscord > and yes, things said, logs recorded and nicks used on server have linked tenplus2 to beanman 15:53 MTDiscord tenplus1 already mentioned this 15:54 TenPlus1 ip_per_name only keeps the info I need for so long, I should up it to 120 days 15:54 MTDiscord Again, by what? I keep seeing that its confirmed but I want to know exactly why 15:54 MTDiscord Check my last msg in that logs > it was something to "BogieSmalls" which is more than 1 month ago that means he logs the msgs when he is online only 15:55 MTDiscord That seems tentative at best 15:55 TenPlus1 confirmed by what's being said, logs mentioned, repetative statements, ip's leading to specific vpn gateways and nicks on server being used to run a hacked client and cause upset on server 15:55 TenPlus1 but we're already so offtopic I'm gonna stop now 15:56 MTDiscord I don't think this is offtopic in the slightest, its discussing community matters 15:57 TenPlus1 *phew* 15:57 MTDiscord No this is potentially legal hot water with fines in the millions of dollars 15:58 TenPlus1 for whom ? 15:59 MTDiscord Server owners who allow unauthorised copying of data without consent given from underage children 15:59 MTDiscord I was hoping for a simple "We checked and TP2 has the same IP" or something 15:59 MTDiscord TP2 didnt login 15:59 MTDiscord he used this name in forums and github only 16:00 TenPlus1 he's using vpn's 16:00 MTDiscord Also the email TP2 used on GH doesn’t match any user 16:00 TenPlus1 but has alias accounts we're trying to track where helogs in and records the chat 16:00 MTDiscord On GH specifically as it just shows a plain text user 16:01 MTDiscord See the time interval between these 2 msgs: this means he logs the msgs only when one of his alts is online 16:01 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/849316611441426473/Screenshot_2021-06-01-19-01-31.png 16:01 MTDiscord Also most msgs in chatlogs are "welcome" msgs which means somebody just joined the game 16:01 TenPlus1 the fact he's recording all this is worrying at best 16:03 MTDiscord legally dangerous 16:03 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/849317314902229042/Screenshot_2021-06-01-19-05-55.png 16:03 MTDiscord last time he joined the server he joined with too many alts at the same time and that is why these msgs have been repeated too many times 16:03 TenPlus1 may I copy what you said into the issue posted on that git account jordach ? 16:04 MTDiscord sighs at feeling like he's beating a dead horse 16:04 MTDiscord he wont listen 16:04 MTDiscord he's some assblasted DF user 16:04 MTDiscord You don't know that 16:04 MTDiscord You extrapolated that 16:04 MTDiscord look at every cheater online who says it wasn't me when it clearly was 16:05 MTDiscord humans are creatures of habit 16:05 TenPlus1 he originally broke the rules and was limited from server 16:05 TenPlus1 and from that he started his reign of terror 16:05 TenPlus1 instead of simply making a new account and continuing to play (3 chances) 16:05 MTDiscord Who? Who do we know for certain is connected with this and not easily framed? 16:08 MTDiscord Y'know what, I'mma just step out of this. I'm not going to get clear-cut answers that don't feel like they're mixing evidence for various nickname's involvement. 16:09 MTDiscord No you forget that the same IP address has linked all the names before 16:09 MTDiscord I bet they share the exact password too 16:09 MTDiscord Except TP2, who hasn't logged in, so that's not enough on its own. 16:09 TenPlus1 yes, and vpn exit 16:10 TenPlus1 he's created the TenPlus2 account as a nod to say he's still around, and logs link him specifically with the other accounts, otherwise he wouldnt have them 16:10 MTDiscord At what point are you going to realise this is a legal matter that can destroy any server admin who didn’t know this was occurring at all 16:11 MTDiscord One email to the EU commission and you’re fucking toast 16:11 MTDiscord So there is a known link outside of GH that shows TP2 is an alt? 16:11 MTDiscord Yes 16:12 MTDiscord I didn't ask you 16:12 TenPlus1 we have specific rules not to record for this reason, he broke them by doing so, and server borders have been closed to new players because of it 16:12 MTDiscord https://github.com/MinetestPlayerData/LeakedData/blob/master/chatlogs/%1B(c@%23ffdf00)wwar%1B(c@%23ffffff).txt see the msgs of mine, i was online alot at that times but what is logged here are mostly welcome messages, to succo/piestan/BogieSmalls which are connected to Zanzi's zccount 16:13 MTDiscord My last msgs were repeated too many times because he joined in 5 or 6 accounts at the same time with names like IIiiIiIIiII 16:13 MTDiscord Oh my God, why can't I get a straight answer for my one question 16:14 MTDiscord Also its obvious its him, why does he have chatlogs on Xanadu only? 16:14 MTDiscord Why do we need to spoon feed you when the answers are in scroll back already 16:14 TenPlus1 ben, it's ok, it's not your worry, thanks for listening anyway 16:15 MTDiscord Oh no it is my worry, but I'm walking away on this one. 16:32 Megaf Oh boi, this is linked to Discord, 16:33 Megaf cya, way too much noise and confusion 16:36 TenPlus1 sorry folks 16:38 MTDiscord So, just to be clear, you have concrete evidence that specifically TenPlus2 is tied to the other accounts by IP? 16:39 TenPlus1 tied to accounts by logs pasted under alternative id's using vpn tracked to his other nicks 16:39 TenPlus1 also hi GreenXenith 16:40 MTDiscord Alright break down that entire sentence into something we can understand 16:40 TenPlus1 lol, tp2 pasted logs that were copies of the one's shown by zanzi/beanman who's id's are linked to the same person 16:41 MTDiscord TP2 pasted logs shown by Zanzi, meaning Zanzi has also pasted logs somewhere? 16:41 MTDiscord And how have you linked Zanzi and Beanman to TP2? 16:41 TenPlus1 forum entries of logs/things said that were removed by ruben per his request under zanzi when he fake apologised 16:41 MTDiscord @XenMinus8 see the chat logs, theye stuff that people said when one of his alts was online 16:42 MTDiscord @wwar irrelevant 16:42 MTDiscord TenPlus1: And again, how have you linked Zanzi/Beanman to TP2? 16:42 MTDiscord TP2 posted the chat logs and the chat logs are msgs were sent when Zanzi Or beanman was online 16:43 TenPlus1 sorry folks, this is bringing my mental health right down, I gotta go for now 16:44 MTDiscord @wwar correction: Someone with the nickname "TenPlus2" pasted chat logs. 16:44 MTDiscord They could just as well have named themselves "wwar" 16:45 MTDiscord for now we know that github TenPlus2 = Zanzi 16:45 MTDiscord With what proof 16:45 MTDiscord the one in github 16:45 MTDiscord > TP2 posted the chat logs and the chat logs are msgs were sent when Zanzi Or beanman was online 16:45 MTDiscord This prooves that the one in github is him 16:45 MTDiscord Oh it does? TenPlus1 was also online 16:45 MTDiscord And so were some other people 16:46 MTDiscord yes but these msgs were said when he was online and no msgs when eh was not 16:46 MTDiscord I think I understand this bit. The logs have gaps which are specifically when Zanzi went offline. 16:46 MTDiscord TenPlus1 want online when most of these were said 16:47 MTDiscord Alright, so the GitHub account is Zanzi. The original question has yet to be answered. 16:47 MTDiscord This is my lasts msgs in his chatlogs 16:47 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/849328223324995604/Screenshot_2021-06-01-19-05-55.png 16:47 MTDiscord Is there any concrete proof that Zanzi is in fact TP2? 16:47 MTDiscord the one in forums? 16:47 MTDiscord The one from the forums, notabug, and Discord 16:49 MTDiscord For all you know, Zanzi has it out for TenPlus2 and uploaded this to GitHub under TP2's name just to make a mess 16:50 MTDiscord This is why Ben was trying to find answers earlier, and this is why we are all frustrated no one wants to give any real answers. 16:50 MTDiscord No one wants? 16:50 MTDiscord That is what I said, yes 16:51 MTDiscord Do you require further clarification? 16:51 MTDiscord so we all now just want to blame him? we did come to a point which is one in github is him 16:51 MTDiscord i will not say any words come to my mind, im looking again in something between the forums guy and github one 16:51 MTDiscord Indeed, it does look like everyone is content to say that the GitHub TP2 must certainly be the real TP2 because they share the name 16:52 MTDiscord Which is naive at best 16:52 MTDiscord i never said that, we were talking about teh github one earlier 16:52 MTDiscord But it cant be a concidence 16:53 MTDiscord Ben was asking about connections between the GitHub and real TP2. 16:53 MTDiscord Or, at least, trying. And no one was giving straight answers. 16:53 MTDiscord Because we are not sitting near TP2 we cant give a yes or no answer 16:54 MTDiscord You can absolutely give a yes or no answer to "do you have solid evidence the two are the same" 16:54 MTDiscord And the answer is "no". 16:54 MTDiscord wwar, I appreciate you and tenplus1's efforts to look into this, I really do and you guys have brought things to the table I could have never thought of myself. But I also needed clear answers because this kind of information is all to easy to muddy up and misunderstand, and I wanted to know where we knew and where we assumed things were connected. 16:54 MTDiscord I manage multiple MT-related spaces so it is a situation I have at least some investment in. 16:55 MTDiscord I apologise for getting flustered earlier, though, that didn't help. 16:55 MTDiscord (Mostly for those on IRC) We on Discord are more concerned about this than normal because it has implications regarding other recent events that may need amending should this turn out to be a horrific misunderstanding. 16:58 MTDiscord I cant give a 100% evidience right now, But someone came to forums with a name similar to TenPlus1 which is TenPlus2 in the times someone just wants to say bad thing about TenPlus1's server and then someone came to forums with the TenPlus2 name in github and shared the chat logs of tenPlus1's server 16:59 MTDiscord Is this a concidence?? 16:59 MTDiscord Yes, that is the definition of a coincidence. 16:59 MTDiscord Huh 17:00 MTDiscord Especially because said person has mostly done constructive things on the forum, Discord, and notabug 17:00 MTDiscord TP2 is new, the Github name is easily spoofed, they are an easy target. 17:01 MTDiscord I'm not saying that it isn't them, I'm saying I need more than the Github connection. 17:01 MTDiscord So they joined discord, forums and notabug and didnt join Github only and someone came and found that and made an account in that name in github 17:01 MTDiscord If we don't have it, we don't have it. 17:01 MTDiscord Actually no, there is no tenplus2 account on GIthub 17:02 MTDiscord just the commit name 17:02 MTDiscord (and email) 17:02 MTDiscord The account it was posted under shares the avatar, but that is hardly evidence 17:02 MTDiscord All of which are trivial to get a hold of, and spoof with the way Git works. 17:03 MTDiscord At this point there is no concrete evidence other than stuff that can be easily faked 17:03 MTDiscord There seems to be reasonable evidence that this person is Zanzi/beanman at least 17:03 MTDiscord And unfortunately our avenues for asking the person in question directly have been .. slimmed ? 17:04 MTDiscord (this person referring to the logs poster on Github) 17:04 MTDiscord (in my message) 17:04 MTDiscord (and the known real one in my message) 17:05 MTDiscord I'm gonna just start using specific terms, it gets way too confusing without them 17:06 MTDiscord This is not getting us anywhere atleast we know this github guy is him, i can not give a 100% evidience and no one can since these are different media forums but like i didnt give a 100% evidience we cant say its 100% faked 17:06 MTDiscord Who is 'him' in this case? 17:06 MTDiscord First him > Zanzi 17:06 MTDiscord Thank you 17:07 MTDiscord I dont need the one in forums banned anyways, Zanzi is just a person who can ruin mt servers like that 17:08 MTDiscord It sounded like Tenplus1 was trying to say that TP2 had been a known alt of Zanzi, is that a thing or is that based on the Git commit username? 17:08 MTDiscord thought you'd look for evidience with me instead of saying everything here was a concidence or faked since Zanzi guy is a person who can ruin the game 17:08 MTDiscord TenPlus2 never logged in the minetest server 17:09 MTDiscord But as we have discussed earlier we know the github one is Zanzi but there is a chance of the github guy using the TenPlus2 name to make us think he is the forums one as you said 17:10 MTDiscord Alright, thanks. 17:10 MTDiscord o/