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ANAND |
Is minetest.after asynchronous? |
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ChimneySwift |
yes |
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ANAND |
If I have 2 minetest.afters, would the second one run after both the durations combined? |
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ANAND |
I assume no |
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ChimneySwift |
no, the callback always runs after the time you input |
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ChimneySwift |
even if you have multiple running at once |
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ANAND |
I see, thanks for clarifying |
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ChimneySwift |
it's actually just implemented in Lua using server step |
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ChimneySwift |
pending tasks get queued until they're due to be run |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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Mr_Pardison |
hi |
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tenplus1 |
hi mister |
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tenplus1 |
had to change theme there, couldnt see your nick :P |
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Mr_Pardison |
heh. |
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Mr_Pardison |
shall I just stick to my default (and afaik p |
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Mr_Pardison |
arrgghhh |
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Mr_Pardison |
hit enter too soon. |
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Mr_Pardison |
want me to just stick with ahoy as my greetting? |
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tenplus1 |
found a nice one called "Zenner" but a tad too dark for my liking :) back to ThinIce |
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tenplus1 |
mornin Jordach |
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tenplus1 |
wow, quick muffin visit :D |
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tenplus1 |
paramat: got Ambience API working if you're interested |
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tenplus1 |
o/ fixer |
| 10:14 |
Fixer |
hello |
| 10:20 |
paramat |
probably not but thanks :) most ambience mods irritate me, all those sounds of things that aren't there |
| 10:21 |
tenplus1 |
this is the api you can use to make your own sound sets :) the default set is just an example |
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paramat |
that's cool |
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paramat |
my implementation of ambience evolved to game#2064 but it's only 1 sound |
| 10:34 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2064 -- Add initial ambience mod with flowing water sounds by paramat |
| 10:34 |
tenplus1 |
yeah saw that one... this lets you expand on it and add sets with different checks |
| 10:44 |
tenplus1 |
will need to separate active sounds and background so the bg one's play throughout |
| 10:46 |
paramat |
anyway, my ambience work started from your code :) |
| 10:46 |
tenplus1 |
heh :) it'll end up with one of us making something that can be included in game :D |
| 11:05 |
paramat |
another ABM bites the dust game#2209 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2209 -- Fire: Remove ABM active when fire mod disabled by paramat |
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tenplus1 |
yup, integrated that into fire redo already :D is live on xanadu |
| 11:08 |
paramat |
noice |
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tenplus1 |
as for the book erasure pull, why not a simple recipe to blank the book and let players re-use them |
| 11:18 |
tenplus1 |
so basiucally new fire change removed fire nodes when fire setting is false ?? |
| 11:27 |
paramat |
yes |
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* tenplus1 |
uses the /fire [on|off] command for that :P |
| 11:27 |
paramat |
i don't understand the book PR, hoping someone else will deal with that |
| 11:27 |
tenplus1 |
book pr is to remove title so it blanks book and returns a default:book |
| 11:28 |
tenplus1 |
means only author can blank a book, but adding a recipe like written_book + dye:white = blank book would be easier for all |
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tenplus1 |
hi Cbug |
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CBugDCoder |
hi ten |
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tenplus1 |
wb |
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ChimneySwift |
thanks |
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tenplus1 |
wb p |
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tenplus1 |
should I stop mobs from seeing through stairs and other nodeboxes that aren't a whole block ??? |
| 13:40 |
paramat |
there are errors either way so choose the more desirable error |
| 13:40 |
tenplus1 |
I suppose manyt players are building walls from slabs, so it would be better for them to not see through slabs |
| 13:57 |
Megaf |
Hey server owners/admins, please let's show some support here. |
| 13:57 |
Megaf |
!title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6975 |
| 13:57 |
paramat |
i agree |
| 13:57 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: [Feature request] Add ability to set mapgen vertical and horizontal limits separately. · Issue #6975 · minetest/minetest · GitHub |
| 13:57 |
paramat |
i mean, i would not let mobs see thorugh nodeboxes |
| 13:57 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: hi, and that is a very complex question |
| 13:58 |
paramat |
6975 is supported don't worry, i just can't be bothered to do it myself |
| 13:59 |
tenplus1 |
latest api has them not able to see through anything walkable, also standing on "ignore" removes mob |
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jordach_ |
Megaf, your performance issues are probably related to shitty disk I/O |
| 14:34 |
Megaf |
actually if it was IO there would be a lot of IO Wait |
| 14:34 |
Megaf |
theres none |
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Jordach |
if your doing it on ARM like an rPI |
| 14:34 |
Megaf |
its just a huge player database and a single threaded thing... |
| 14:35 |
Jordach |
you're going to be waiting an eternity |
| 14:35 |
Jordach |
just copy and paste the world over to your macbook and do it on that |
| 14:35 |
Megaf |
eh, not a bad idea |
| 14:35 |
Jordach |
x |
| 14:35 |
Jordach |
x86 and i686 will always destroy ARM |
| 14:36 |
Jordach |
even POWER V does a better job /s |
| 14:36 |
Jordach |
my Note 8 even has troubles with Minetest |
| 14:38 |
Megaf |
well, I don't really mind about wait. I just mind about not knowing what's going on |
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| 14:39 |
Megaf |
I'm not even sure if the command --migrate-players sqlite3 or --migrate-players sqlite |
| 14:39 |
Megaf |
documentation is lacking for the lack of a better word |
| 14:43 |
rubenwardy |
it will be I/O |
| 14:45 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: nope, my disk read/wirte is at 0 bytes/second |
| 14:45 |
Megaf |
CPU is doing a lot of work with no IO? |
| 14:45 |
rubenwardy |
well, something is wrong |
| 14:45 |
rubenwardy |
what command did you do? |
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Megaf |
and theres no iowait either |
| 14:45 |
Megaf |
ok, I wll cancel this thing |
| 14:45 |
rubenwardy |
yep |
| 14:45 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 14:46 |
Megaf |
I think I will have to kill it |
| 14:46 |
Megaf |
it is just "shutting down" after ctrl c |
| 14:48 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: command was bin/minetestserver --migrate-players sqlite3 |
| 14:48 |
rubenwardy |
what worlds do you have? |
| 14:48 |
Megaf |
worlds/world |
| 14:48 |
Megaf |
it did create the folder players.bak |
| 14:49 |
Megaf |
which was empty the whole time |
| 14:49 |
Megaf |
have I found a bug after all? |
| 14:50 |
Megaf |
anyway, I'm building minetestserver on my mac right now, will try to run the migrate thing here |
| 14:52 |
Jordach |
Megaf, not the builds on the forum? |
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Megaf |
Jordach: eh, I always build it myself |
| 14:56 |
Megaf |
all game servers I run I built the code myself, more control and more stability, I kid you not |
| 14:58 |
Jordach |
macOS binaries literally contain everything inside themselves |
| 14:58 |
Jordach |
and target the *lowest* possible version |
| 14:59 |
rubenwardy |
macOS apps* |
| 14:59 |
rubenwardy |
they're zip files essentially |
| 14:59 |
Megaf |
Jordach: Debian Linux here |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
reglnx Aluminium:/dev/shm/minetest$ bin/minetestserver --gameid minimal --migrate-players sqlite3 |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
2018-09-04 15:58:31: WARNING[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
2018-09-04 15:58:31: [Main]: Automatically selecting world at [/dev/shm/minetest/bin/../worlds/world] |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
2018-09-04 15:58:31: [Main]: Using game specified by --gameid on the command line |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
this time is not even saying its migrating |
| 15:00 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
this on my MacBook Pro |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
its using 100% of a core as before |
| 15:00 |
Megaf |
and IO sits mostly idle as before |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
and as usual, my hardware was blamed by a software fault... |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
you assume, it takes long, it must be ARM, if ARM, it must have slow IO, that explains. |
| 15:02 |
Megaf |
now I'm on 2,4 GHz x86 and running on a SSD that goes to several 100s of MB/s |
| 15:09 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: are you investigating it or should I open an issue? |
| 15:10 |
rubenwardy |
I'd open an issue |
| 15:30 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: |
| 15:30 |
Megaf |
!title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7701 |
| 15:30 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: [Bug] --migrate-players Does not work. · Issue #7701 · minetest/minetest · GitHub |
| 15:30 |
rubenwardy |
Cheers |
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* Mr_Pardison |
raises a galss |
| 15:33 |
* Megaf |
raises his pint of cofee and sips it |
| 15:33 |
* Megaf |
have coffee in pints, because why not |
| 15:34 |
Mr_Pardison |
why not? there is no reason not to. |
| 15:35 |
Megaf |
my bug reports are getting better |
| 15:36 |
Megaf |
thanks FlightGear for that. :P |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
that moment you realized there's 10 people following you on GitHub |
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Megaf |
and you can't code |
| 15:39 |
Mr_Pardison |
> has 1 follower on github |
| 15:39 |
Mr_Pardison |
maybe 2. |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
but you can code at least |
| 15:39 |
Mr_Pardison |
not rly tho XD |
| 15:39 |
Mr_Pardison |
afk brb |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
I'm basically a bugger |
| 15:40 |
Megaf |
49% of all my activity is opening issues. https://github.com/Megaf |
| 15:41 |
tenplus1 |
Mobs Redo API 1.46 uploaded... mobs only drop rare items when killed by player, cannot see through walkable nodes |
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tenplus1 |
wb mista |
| 15:51 |
Mr_Pardison |
thank ya tenplus |
| 15:56 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: nice |
| 15:56 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: i hope they can see through ladders and glass, right? |
| 15:56 |
Fixer |
and fences |
| 15:57 |
tenplus1 |
if they are walkable then no |
| 15:57 |
tenplus1 |
just before update they saw through stairs, changed that... |
| 15:58 |
rdococ |
tbh I wish there was something in between mesecons and digilines |
| 15:59 |
tenplus1 |
basic_machines and elepower |
| 15:59 |
rdococ |
as in, wires that can transmit, say, a number from 0 to 255 |
| 16:00 |
rdococ |
sort of like 8-bit mesecons |
| 16:00 |
Mr_Pardison |
so, some type of logic system. |
| 16:01 |
rdococ |
kinda |
| 16:01 |
rdococ |
with bitwise gates and bit shifting |
| 16:02 |
rdococ |
you can kinda do it in digilines but it doesn't feel the same |
| 16:02 |
rdococ |
the 8-bit mesecons system wouldn't have channels, it would act like mesecons in terms of how they are transmitted |
| 16:03 |
rdococ |
brb |
| 16:14 |
rdococ |
back |
| 16:15 |
tenplus1 |
wb :P |
| 16:28 |
rdococ |
digilines is powerful |
| 16:28 |
rdococ |
too powerful |
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rdococ |
and mesecons is too weak |
| 16:29 |
rdococ |
so we need 8-bit mesecons |
| 16:29 |
rdococ |
and directional digilines |
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MinetestBot |
Krock: Sep-03 19:45 UTC <rubenwardy> Hello, this is a demonstration for Andrey01 |
| 16:46 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 16:46 |
tenplus1 |
lol, wondered what the message was there :) hey Krock |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.imgur.com/QJWcE5c.jpg |
| 16:46 |
Krock |
ack. MTB does its race condition thing again |
| 16:46 |
tenplus1 |
what did you do ruben ? |
| 16:47 |
rubenwardy |
not me |
| 16:47 |
Krock |
rubenwardy: there's a similar message when it can't find /sbin/init |
| 16:47 |
Krock |
"Good luck" or something like that |
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tenplus1 |
hi ssieb |
| 16:48 |
Krock |
yes.. https://i.redd.it/mw1tfpqm3cg11.jpg |
| 16:48 |
ssieb |
hi |
| 16:49 |
Krock |
actually that boot issue can happen quite easily when you forget to mount it on startup |
| 16:49 |
Krock |
as in: mount automatically |
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tenplus1 |
o/ gary |
| 16:50 |
garywhite |
o/ |
| 16:51 |
rdococ |
my computer suddenly switched off |
| 16:52 |
tenplus1 |
what Os? |
| 16:52 |
rdococ |
Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics (998MHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.2 GiB Total (2.7 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 0 bytes / 0 bytes (0 bytes Free) • Uptime: 2m 46s |
| 16:52 |
rdococ |
silly hexchat, I do not have 0 bytes of storage |
| 16:52 |
tenplus1 |
sure you never hit the prnscrn altgr and O by mistake :P |
| 16:53 |
rdococ |
no, I think I accidentally went to the start menu and pressed shutdown |
| 16:53 |
tenplus1 |
it happens :D |
| 16:53 |
tenplus1 |
especially if you have a power key on your keyboard and it's not setup |
| 16:53 |
rdococ |
then I accidentally went outside and did a weird dance |
| 16:54 |
rdococ |
when it used to do it, I just chalked it up to overheating, but it's only warm at worst |
| 16:55 |
rdococ |
so I'm kinda suspicious |
| 16:55 |
tenplus1 |
gnome3 desktop ? |
| 16:55 |
rdococ |
no, xfce |
| 16:55 |
tenplus1 |
kewl :P gnome3 is kinda crappy |
| 16:56 |
rubenwardy |
nerzhul: any idea how to do a heuristical search on multible columns in postgresql? |
| 16:57 |
nerzhul |
what is the usecase ? |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
searching on content.minetest.net |
| 16:57 |
tenplus1 |
rdococ: maybe install psensor and do a heat check on cpu./gpu |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
so the search is multiple keywords |
| 16:57 |
Megaf |
I vote for sfan5 to be removed from core devs |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
the more it appears the better the match is |
| 16:57 |
sfan5 |
lol ok megaf |
| 16:57 |
Megaf |
he simply closed my bug issue saying that it works |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
and it also depends on which column it is in |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
Megaf: are you going to replace him? |
| 16:58 |
sfan5 |
don't open a proper issue then get all butthurt when you get a snarky response |
| 16:58 |
Megaf |
no need for replacing, he is not doing much |
| 16:58 |
rubenwardy |
so a keyword appearing in the title is better than the short description |
| 16:58 |
Megaf |
sfan5: I did a clean build from latest stable 0.4 and migrate players IS NOT WORKING |
| 16:58 |
Megaf |
and I did say how to reproduce |
| 16:58 |
rubenwardy |
nerzhul: my current idea is to just do a query for existence, and then sort in app-space |
| 16:58 |
sfan5 |
I tried both 5.0 and 0.4.17 and migrate IS WORKING |
| 16:58 |
sfan5 |
what now? |
| 16:58 |
Megaf |
also, minetestserver will not provice any indication that is actually working |
| 16:58 |
Megaf |
provide* |
| 16:59 |
sfan5 |
it will, it logs every user that is migrated |
| 16:59 |
Megaf |
log where? |
| 16:59 |
sfan5 |
actionstream, so your terminal |
| 16:59 |
Megaf |
where is the documentation saying that? |
| 16:59 |
Megaf |
sfan5: man, I ran this SHITfor 42 FUCKING HOURS |
| 16:59 |
Megaf |
not a single input, no IO |
| 16:59 |
Megaf |
now a single output |
| 16:59 |
Megaf |
not* |
| 17:00 |
Megaf |
and ran for one hour in my Core2Duo |
| 17:00 |
* Shara |
is totally sure all caps swearing will make people more keen to help |
| 17:00 |
rdococ |
SHITfor™: the new GitHub, owned by Apple™ |
| 17:00 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
| 17:00 |
Megaf |
Shara: I couldnt care less |
| 17:00 |
Shara |
Megaf: But I could. |
| 17:00 |
Megaf |
sfan5: I suggest I zip my players and send to you so you can test yourself. please. |
| 17:00 |
tenplus1 |
Megaf: was this migrating the players over to the new sql database ? |
| 17:00 |
Megaf |
tenplus1: yep |
| 17:00 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: first, how many players do you have? |
| 17:00 |
rdococ |
really? all caps swearing -FUCK- works wonders -SHIT- for me |
| 17:00 |
tenplus1 |
damn,that's a looooooon time... |
| 17:00 |
Megaf |
sfan5: a lot, |
| 17:01 |
sfan5 |
i need a number |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
the unconfirmed label is for unreproduciable issues to date |
| 17:01 |
Shara |
rdococ: but you're just weird |
| 17:01 |
tenplus1 |
I wonder if sorcerykid's auth replacement does it any quicker |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
the number shouldn't matter, it should work but slower |
| 17:01 |
rdococ |
Shara: agreed |
| 17:01 |
Megaf |
sfan5: and I even posted screenshots of the whole process, no IO activity, no INFOstream, nothing. |
| 17:01 |
sfan5 |
none of this helps with debugging |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
tell how many you have |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
+me |
| 17:02 |
rdococ |
hmm |
| 17:02 |
Megaf |
sfan5: 21+ thousand files |
| 17:02 |
Megaf |
that after a lot of cleanup |
| 17:03 |
Megaf |
great design ^ ^ |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
right |
| 17:03 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy more precise ? |
| 17:03 |
nerzhul |
why sort in userspace ? it's always slower |
| 17:03 |
Megaf |
sfan5: are you on Discord? |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 17:03 |
Megaf |
623 KB players.tar.bz2 |
| 17:03 |
rubenwardy |
nerzhul: because I'm not sure if I can do the sorting in a query |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
and it'll be sorted in user space anyway ;) |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
the kernel doesn't add support for postgresql |
| 17:04 |
nerzhul |
SELECT a,b,c FROM t ORDER BY a DESC; |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
heuristics |
| 17:04 |
sfan5 |
the code fully deserializes every player just to list them |
| 17:04 |
nerzhul |
why kernel want to use postgresql ? |
| 17:04 |
sfan5 |
this is bound the be inefficient |
| 17:05 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: by the way, an iotop listing does not prove that there is no I/O happening |
| 17:05 |
rubenwardy |
maybe postgresql is the wrong tool for this |
| 17:05 |
sfan5 |
an strace excerpt would have |
| 17:05 |
rubenwardy |
inb4 I write my own page rank algorithm by crawling the forums |
| 17:05 |
rubenwardy |
and IRC |
| 17:06 |
rubenwardy |
ooh, to_tsvector looks interesting |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
!tell benrob0329 don't need the dune grass, but thanks |
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MinetestBot |
VanessaE: I'll pass that on when benrob0329 is around |
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tenplus1 |
o/ Vanessa |
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VanessaE |
!tell benrob0329 nice photos though |
| 17:08 |
MinetestBot |
VanessaE: I'll pass that on when benrob0329 is around |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
hi tenplus1 . |
| 17:08 |
Megaf |
Shara: and I will always be stupid with people acting stupid. We have to speak their language. |
| 17:09 |
Megaf |
sfan5: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7701#issuecomment-418445665 |
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Megaf |
!title |
| 17:09 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: [Bug] --migrate-players Does not work. · Issue #7701 · minetest/minetest · GitHub |
| 17:09 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: since you have it running right now, please attach strace to the running minetestserver |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
yes! |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
nerzhul: http://rachbelaid.com/postgres-full-text-search-is-good-enough/ |
| 17:09 |
sfan5 |
in case there are multiple threads, pick the once with the most cputime |
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sfan5 |
one* |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
Ranking is what I want |
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nerzhul |
rubenwardy FTS then |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
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sfan5 |
Megaf: if you have htop you can directly do that by pressing s while selecting the process |
| 17:11 |
Megaf |
strace attached |
| 17:11 |
Megaf |
there's only one minetest task running |
| 17:12 |
sfan5 |
right, and what does strace say? |
| 17:12 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy what is your concrete usecase, it's diffucilt to answer to your usecase |
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Megaf |
--- SIGWINCH {si_signo=SIGWINCH, si_code=SI_KERNEL} --- |
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Megaf |
--- SIGWINCH {si_signo=SIGWINCH, si_code=SI_KERNEL} --- |
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Megaf |
So far that's all |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
nerzhul: https://content.minetest.net |
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rubenwardy |
the search there |
| 17:13 |
nerzhul |
use FTS yes |
| 17:13 |
sfan5 |
deserialization got stuck in a loop, maybe |
| 17:13 |
nerzhul |
FTS indices or elasticsearch indexing the db |
| 17:13 |
sfan5 |
if there's no output in the next minute: retry with gdb, ^C when it's hanging and post the backtrace |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
sweet |
| 17:14 |
rubenwardy |
I guess this means I need a local postgresql test env |
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Megaf |
sfan5: strace screenshot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7701#issuecomment-418447501 |
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nerzhul |
rubenwardy: docker pull postgres:10 |
| 17:17 |
nerzhul |
and then connect :D |
| 17:17 |
nerzhul |
it's the best when you need to spawn a component easily |
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Megaf |
how do I run this thing with gdm? |
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Megaf |
gdb* |
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sfan5 |
gdb --args ./bin/minetest --stuff [...] |
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Megaf |
ok, was missing --args |
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Megaf |
sfan5: I don't think this is right http://paste.debian.net/plainh/720fc47b |
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Krock |
hit r |
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sfan5 |
yes, you need to enter "run" and press return |
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Megaf |
nevermind |
| 17:24 |
sfan5 |
to create a backtrace to "thread apply all bt full" |
| 17:24 |
VanessaE |
what is this, BASIC? :P |
| 17:24 |
sfan5 |
s/to "/do "// |
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Megaf |
I had totally forgotten to type run |
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Megaf |
just realized when reading the pastebin |
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Megaf |
by the way, debug.txt is mostly empty. Just |
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Megaf |
2018-09-04 18:24:13: [Main]: Using world specified by --worldname on the command line |
| 17:26 |
Megaf |
2018-09-04 18:24:13: [Main]: Using game specified by --gameid on the command line |
| 17:26 |
Megaf |
that |
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sfan5 |
Megaf: have a backtrace yet? |
| 17:29 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7701#issuecomment-418452372 |
| 17:29 |
Megaf |
there |
| 17:29 |
tenplus1 |
erk |
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Megaf |
you will ask me now to rebuild with debug enabled |
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Megaf |
am I right? |
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sfan5 |
not really, this is already pretty useful |
| 17:30 |
sfan5 |
continue the program using "c" and then do another backtrace at a later time |
| 17:30 |
sfan5 |
later time meaning in a minute or so |
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Megaf |
ok |
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rdococ |
I'm testing an extended touchscreen library based on tslib |
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* tenplus1 |
orders a pizza using rdococ's touchscreen lib and a nodebox pc |
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rdococ |
it has screens, which each have several states; which are composed of elements which can have hooks that can change the screen state |
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* Mr_Pardison |
orders another pizza |
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rdococ |
which will hopefully make programming for my luacontroller OS easier |
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Megaf |
moving bud discussion to -dev |
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rdococ |
and each screen requires methods to set and get the current screen state as it is stored in mem |
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tenplus1 |
lol |
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rdococ |
anyway, in my library there will be a class and (pseudo-)metatable for basically every element, so it's going to be pretty big |
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rdococ |
are there vertical image labels? |
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rdococ |
nvm |
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tenplus1 |
o/ |
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Jordach |
back in windows land |
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Jordach |
oh god i miss raw mouse inputs |
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tenplus1 |
nuuuuuu |
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rdococ |
we must rescue Jordach from windows land |
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Jordach |
linux is first boot device on a separate drive |
| 18:00 |
rdococ |
quick! get the uninfected drive! |
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rdococ |
also, hi microsoft |
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Megaf |
issue close |
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Megaf |
!title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7694#issuecomment-418464867 |
| 18:08 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: [Discussion] Drop DirectX and Software drivers. · Issue #7694 · minetest/minetest · GitHub |
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* Megaf |
proceeds to open same issue on Irrlicht bug tracker |
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garywhite |
Why mess with it if it works? |
| 18:09 |
Megaf |
Just joking ^ |
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Megaf |
garywhite: I wrote your answer there... |
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Megaf |
"I've been in the situation myself on widows machines and experienced inverted inventory icons, swapped colors and broken shaders." |
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Jordach |
broken shaders occur from lack of VRAM and Chroimium-like browsers |
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Jordach |
i've experienced that myself |
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Jordach |
on a 256mb nvidia 6200 |
| 18:12 |
garywhite |
An Nvidia 6200 is like 12 years old if I'm not mistaken |
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* tenplus1 |
is using nvidia ion.2 mobile gfx :D |
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* garywhite |
is using standard Intel mobile gfx |
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* Krock |
is using a RIVA TNT2 (jk) |
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tenplus1 |
I wonder how fast Mt would run using vulkan |
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rdococ |
anyway, each run of the screen works in my WIP library with three steps: first, the content of the GUI elements are saved to memory, then their hooks are run to actually do stuff, and finally the display is updated. |
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rubenwardy |
tenplus1: a silly question |
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tenplus1 |
? |
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rubenwardy |
it would require you to actually make use of vulkan features |
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Mr_Pardison |
g2g will be Bach |
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rubenwardy |
so sure, if you did that it would run faster on high end devices |
| 18:23 |
rubenwardy |
but it would also run faster if you spent your work on doing proper graphics |
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rubenwardy |
and it would run faster on more than the high end |
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Jordach |
but run on every GPU that happens to be newer than uh 2009 |
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tenplus1 |
from what I read vulkan is a better rewrite of opengl that'll use the newer features where available but run better than the opengl to start with |
| 18:24 |
rubenwardy |
vulkan is a low level API for using the GPU |
| 18:24 |
rubenwardy |
it doesn |
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rubenwardy |
it doesn't really replace OpenGL as such |
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* tenplus1 |
still liked opengl :P |
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tenplus1 |
I remember buying a very ancient isa gfx card that was nvidia just to get opengl for some games to work :DD |
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tenplus1 |
*pci |
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rdococ |
well, I'm kinda stumped |
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rdococ |
brb |
| 18:34 |
tenplus1 |
?? |
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Fixer |
Krock: i have riva tnt2 in my "retro"pc |
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tenplus1 |
you tried minetest on it ? |
| 18:35 |
Fixer |
no, it has win98se |
| 18:35 |
tenplus1 |
aww |
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tenplus1 |
how much memory ? |
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Krock |
Fixer: me too, but it's unused for a long time already |
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Krock |
tenplus1: you'd get ~20 FPS, although the bottleneck there was probably the CPU |
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tenplus1 |
heh |
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tenplus1 |
a challenge :) |
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tenplus1 |
WinXP with bbLean running instead of explorer and 7-zip as file-manager gets it down to 68mb on desktop |
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rdococ |
back |
| 18:42 |
rdococ |
the best file browser is filefox |
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tenplus1 |
never used that one... on XP I liked 7-zip cause it handled all my zipped files and looked like explorer :D |
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* tenplus1 |
wonders how much better performance python would be over lua for mt |
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rdococ |
Gonna call my new library the 'TSFramework' (since it's more complex than the TSLib, and it's more of a foundation upon which you can create luacontroller software that interacts with touchscreens) |
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rubenwardy |
tenplus1: python is slower than Lua |
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tenplus1 |
really? damn |
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rubenwardy |
Well, it depends on what you're doing |
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Calinou |
http://wren.io/performance.html |
| 19:20 |
Calinou |
Python 3 is often slower than Python 2 too (but not always) |
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Calinou |
that's the price to pay for a more convenient language |
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Calinou |
(you can use PyPy, but it's only compatible up to Python 3.5) |
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tenplus1 |
ahh bums... oh well :) was just a thought :D |
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tenplus1 |
if only lua came with all the bindings like love2d to do gfx then it might have been icnluded on linux distro's instead |
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rubenwardy |
Nah |
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rubenwardy |
Performance isn't the most important thing |
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tenplus1 |
heh |
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rubenwardy |
If it were, we'd be programming in assembly |
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tenplus1 |
nuuuu. too hard |
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Jordach |
*looks at -03* |
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* rdococ |
looks at Jordach |
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Jordach |
meep |
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tenplus1 |
what was your first programminmg language ? to anyone |
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rdococ |
first one was scratch for me |
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rdococ |
now I mostly use lua for mod shenanigans |
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tenplus1 |
my first was basic (qbasic, amos basic) then pascal, cobol, a smidge of c which I forgot and now lua :DD |
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MinetestBot |
benrob0329: Sep-04 17:08 UTC <VanessaE> don't need the dune grass, but thanks |
| 19:32 |
MinetestBot |
benrob0329: Sep-04 17:08 UTC <VanessaE> nice photos though |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
hi benrob |
| 19:32 |
benrob0329 |
Hi tenplus1 |
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benrob0329 |
VanessaE: thanks |
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tenplus1 |
is there a way to limit footstep sound distance for an entity ? |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4361 |
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tenplus1 |
!title |
| 19:38 |
MinetestBot |
tenplus1: Add 'max hear distance' parameter for mob footstep sounds · Issue #4361 · minetest/minetest · GitHub |
| 19:38 |
Jordach |
just type #4361 |
| 19:38 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4361 -- Add 'max hear distance' parameter for mob footstep sounds |
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Jordach |
ShadowBot already does the hard lifting |
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tenplus1 |
:P |
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tenplus1 |
hi Gael-de-Sailly |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
hi tenplus1 :) |
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tenplus1 |
nite folks p/ |
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Fixer |
notifics: engine - 40, game - 8... |
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rubenwardy |
[Mark all as read] |
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rubenwardy |
I've had 250+ after an exam season |
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Fixer |
yes, but look how little game active compared to engine, and only paramat takes most of the burden these days it feels |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy: oof |
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Fixer |
[oof] |
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nerzhul |
Fixer it seems MT non releasing its 5.0.0 has some drawbacks on core contributors production & maybe coredev production too |
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Fixer |
damn, ESR 52 gets EOL, fuuu |
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