| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
* xerox123_ |
returns to melting in bed under the heat |
| 00:02 |
tumeninodes |
haha |
| 00:03 |
Shara |
The horrors! |
| 00:03 |
tumeninodes |
and.. all stone-ish nodes are covered https://imgur.com/a/H8Lfvzz |
| 00:03 |
Shara |
Copying my mods before I made them! |
| 00:03 |
Shara |
Whatever next! |
| 00:03 |
tumeninodes |
:P |
| 00:03 |
tumeninodes |
I know, I suck |
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| 00:04 |
tumeninodes |
hmmm, what to do with it now |
| 00:04 |
Shara |
I don't know? |
| 00:05 |
Shara |
Turn it into one unified API providing thingy and add to HW for me so I can be lazy and not add it all myself? :D |
| 00:05 |
Shara |
Actually you can write all my code for me from now on? |
| 00:08 |
xerox123_ |
Sounds like an awesome deal |
| 00:09 |
tumeninodes |
ummmmmmm |
| 00:09 |
tumeninodes |
I thought you wanted it to... you know.... work? : / |
| 00:09 |
tumeninodes |
https://github.com/TumeniNodes/walls |
| 00:11 |
tumeninodes |
still stuff to do on it though |
| 00:12 |
tumeninodes |
and I did it all in my text editor :P it has not even seen Geany yet |
| 00:13 |
Shara |
Hmm, so you just pasted my code into the original walls mod? |
| 00:13 |
tumeninodes |
slightly... and yes, I am going to add credit to you for that |
| 00:14 |
tumeninodes |
please don;t kill me... I've half my life ahead of me... (and behind me) |
| 00:14 |
Shara |
I didn't use that mod at all |
| 00:14 |
tumeninodes |
but, you also know how to code |
| 00:14 |
Shara |
I will probably build a version based directly from hedges instead. Not sure yet |
| 00:14 |
Shara |
Pfft. I've seen your PRs and.. I actually don't believe that you can't :D |
| 00:15 |
tumeninodes |
?0_0? |
| 00:15 |
Shara |
:D |
| 00:16 |
tumeninodes |
copy/paste ... the language of genius |
| 00:17 |
tumeninodes |
I am sorry I stole your code though but..., I am, afterall... a scoundrel |
| 00:17 |
tumeninodes |
; ) |
| 00:17 |
Shara |
It is not theft when it's got a pretty permissive license on it :D |
| 00:18 |
tumeninodes |
ok... "sleazy" then |
| 00:18 |
tumeninodes |
:D |
| 00:18 |
tumeninodes |
walls could have used this for some time |
| 00:19 |
Shara |
Though technically my code is under a different license so you shouldn't do something that is causing you to relicense it... but |
| 00:19 |
* Shara |
shrugs |
| 00:19 |
tumeninodes |
wait, what? |
| 00:20 |
tumeninodes |
figuring out how I should add it... |
| 00:20 |
Shara |
I have.. no idea. |
| 00:21 |
Shara |
Licenses annoy me in general. I wish they weren't needed, but people are people. |
| 00:21 |
tumeninodes |
mmmmm, could point out the lines of code which are under the MIT |
| 00:21 |
tumeninodes |
I think that should work |
| 00:21 |
tumeninodes |
along with your (C) |
| 00:22 |
tumeninodes |
though, you really should read up on copyrights... |
| 00:22 |
Shara |
I've read more about them than I care to, really. |
| 00:23 |
Shara |
Pretty much the only requirement of my code in this case is that you keep to that license |
| 00:24 |
tumeninodes |
but yes, how do you feel about it being done that way? I can add info related to the MIT license, which references the lines of the code i.e./ line 24 - 45 (and so on) |
| 00:25 |
Shara |
I don't actually mind though, and am quite happy for you to just release that version under the existing license for walls. It's more, not less restrictive |
| 00:25 |
tumeninodes |
but, the bits of code under MIT, should remain as |
| 00:25 |
Shara |
But my version is still there under the original license so people can take it from whichever |
| 00:26 |
Shara |
Yes, but my code, so I can allow it to be released under other things if I want |
| 00:26 |
tumeninodes |
can you tell I am embarrassed because I realize I really should have asked you first : / |
| 00:26 |
Shara |
It's fine really :D |
| 00:27 |
tumeninodes |
you are generous to a fault |
| 00:27 |
tumeninodes |
:) |
| 00:27 |
tumeninodes |
I will work it out and make sure it is covered |
| 00:27 |
Shara |
Na, I'm happy to see it getting reused for things already |
| 00:28 |
Shara |
It bugs me that MTG walls doesn't do this |
| 00:28 |
tumeninodes |
I gobble the good shit right up |
| 00:28 |
tumeninodes |
... then take this,m and make it so |
| 00:28 |
tumeninodes |
nudge, nudge |
| 00:29 |
Shara |
Heh, well, I am still waiting to see if anyone rips holes in that code :D |
| 00:29 |
tumeninodes |
hahaha |
| 00:29 |
tumeninodes |
I love it, holes n all |
| 00:30 |
Shara |
Then my job is done :D |
| 00:31 |
tumeninodes |
ya know, I could head into Boston Monday and establish a new hybrid license [MIT/LGPLv2.1+] |
| 00:31 |
tumeninodes |
:D |
| 00:31 |
Shara |
haha |
| 00:32 |
tumeninodes |
imagine the process to add the '/' ???? |
| 00:32 |
tumeninodes |
I'd probably be assassinated by lunch |
| 00:33 |
tumeninodes |
Ima step outside for a few (our heatwave broke last night) then I'll come back in and slap the license around a bit |
| 00:33 |
rubenwardy |
so |
| 00:33 |
tumeninodes |
la |
| 00:34 |
tumeninodes |
afk |
| 00:34 |
rubenwardy |
I'm using jekyll for my website and also my blog |
| 00:34 |
rubenwardy |
I want to have blog posts be listed on my main website |
| 00:34 |
rubenwardy |
Jekyll can't do this by default |
| 00:34 |
rubenwardy |
as seperate site |
| 00:34 |
rubenwardy |
what do I do? This: wget -O _data/blog.json htt://blog.rubenwardy.com/feed.json |
| 00:34 |
rubenwardy |
and done |
| 00:35 |
rubenwardy |
XD |
| 00:37 |
rubenwardy |
just add that to a cron job, and sorted |
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Krock |
BillyS: https://github.com/SmallJoker/exchange_shop (if you'd like to check it out, maybe locally) |
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| 12:56 |
Calinou |
is it possible to change the color/texture of buttons in Lua formspecs? |
| 12:56 |
Calinou |
(with text on them) |
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| 13:23 |
rubenwardy |
Calinou, not reallt |
| 13:23 |
rubenwardy |
You can use image buttons |
| 13:23 |
Calinou |
I see |
| 13:23 |
rubenwardy |
And provide your own background |
| 13:24 |
Calinou |
can you use your own background with text on top? |
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| 14:20 |
longerstaff13 |
o/ Krock |
| 14:20 |
Krock |
o/ |
| 14:25 |
BillyS |
Its a Krockadile! |
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rubenwardy |
ewww https://github.com/minetest/contentdb/issues/103 https://github.com/gitpython-developers/GitPython/issues/777 |
| 15:34 |
IcyDiamond |
I want to create a village mod for minetest based on millenaire from minecraft |
| 15:34 |
IcyDiamond |
is there a good way to generate villages? |
| 15:34 |
Krock |
if math.random() < 0.01 then |
| 15:34 |
Krock |
place_schematic_here() end |
| 15:34 |
IcyDiamond |
schematics huh, i havent looked into those yet |
| 15:35 |
IcyDiamond |
i guess i should |
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| 15:58 |
IhrFussel |
Is find_node_near() with a radius of 8 every 0.5 secs heavy? |
| 16:03 |
Krock |
measure it |
| 16:07 |
IhrFussel |
Radius of 8 means check 8x8x8 nodes right? That sounds like a lot |
| 16:08 |
Sokomine |
it certainly sounds heavy. what do you need it for? |
| 16:09 |
Sokomine |
IcyDiamond: ah. i'm the creator of the mg_villages mod. it adds villages at mapgen time. that's very diffrent and only a tiny part of what milleniarie does |
| 16:10 |
Sokomine |
IcyDiamond: i've also started the mod "citybuilder" which allows players to place chests and thus decide which building ought to go there. it has rudimentary support for conditions - i.e. a house of level 2 requires a church and can house 2 people etc. |
| 16:10 |
Sokomine |
there are sadly no mobs included yet, and the mod is rudimentary. citybuilder can't really be played yet |
| 16:11 |
Sokomine |
Krock: no. place_schematic_here() is far too general and not a good solution for house placement. the normal place_schematic works to some degree for very small houses. but even then there are many limits. there's a reason for why i wrote handle_schematics |
| 16:12 |
Krock |
chaos map :D |
| 16:13 |
Sokomine |
IcyDiamond: i've only seen millenaire on their web page and on youtube videos. but it does look like a very intresting concept. i'd want more detailled houses though. i've created..er...about 8 level for a house from tiniest house to big multi-generation-family-home plus a mine starting from hole in the ground to huge minig complex. that's all in citybuilder. it needs a lot more buildings with |
| 16:14 |
Sokomine |
diffrent levels |
| 16:14 |
Sokomine |
and it needs mobs that actually build the stuff |
| 16:15 |
Krock |
nice mod. will check whether it also works with a custom heightmap from a Lua mod |
| 16:17 |
Sokomine |
probably not if the mod modifies the scenery and the heightmap isn't updated |
| 16:17 |
Sokomine |
it's quite fun to walk on such a map. sharas hedges also look quite good in this context |
| 16:19 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, trigger for this when riding carts minetest.chat_send_player(self.driver,minetest.colorize("purple","Approaching next station! Hold down D key (PC) or right arrow (mobile) to halt.")) |
| 16:21 |
IhrFussel |
It only runs while someone is riding a cart so not that often...but I reduced it to radius 5 per 0.3 secs |
| 16:22 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: ah, carts. i really wish they'd be handled client-side |
| 16:23 |
Sokomine |
one of the problems mobs moving about with a purpose will face is similar to carts riding the (unloaded) world...would need a master that knows where the object currently is |
| 16:23 |
IhrFussel |
We (ab)use carts for railways and we need an indicator for the next station since players will just skip the station if they don't hold right |
| 16:27 |
IhrFussel |
A vector.distance check with hardcoded station positions would probably be more lightweight |
| 16:31 |
Sokomine |
that's right. just hard to implement right now |
| 16:32 |
IhrFussel |
Wait, no it would not be lightweight...I would have to check the distance to every station at once...nvm |
| 16:36 |
IhrFussel |
WAIT 8 is wayy too much! |
| 16:36 |
IhrFussel |
Even 5 is too much |
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| 16:36 |
MinetestBot |
paramat: Jul-08 11:13 UTC <deltasquared> yet other code begins executing immediately, and this is a singlenode world. why does it take *two whole seconds*, that suggests someone put a delay in as a half-assed fix |
| 16:37 |
IhrFussel |
It will check in any direction for the trigger node... so from the cart as center it really checks radius*2 in rail direction |
| 16:41 |
paramat |
IcyDiamond for village house placement use the lua voxel manipulator and use 'place schematic on vmanip' |
| 16:42 |
Krock |
it rather checks radius*2+1 due to center |
| 16:43 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: that's why the client ought to do that.... |
| 16:45 |
Sokomine |
paramat: that may not cover all that's needed for house placement. it would have been great to have that at the beginning, but still...such things as calling on_generated still have to be done manually? |
| 16:52 |
paramat |
yes if doing villages to a complex degree i can understand you using your own methods, but 'place on vm' is fine to a degree |
| 16:52 |
paramat |
'on generated' is not called manually though (?) |
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| 17:19 |
Sokomine |
probably not called... |
| 17:20 |
Sokomine |
however, what minecolonies seems to do seems to be much more than the initial placement of a few houses |
| 17:20 |
Sokomine |
i'd really love to see that in mt. would love to play it. can't in mc due to that not running on my machine |
| 17:20 |
rubenwardy |
!mod [minecolonies] |
| 17:20 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Could not find anything. |
| 17:21 |
rubenwardy |
is that a MC thing? |
| 17:21 |
rubenwardy |
I've wanted to make a colony mod for a long while |
| 17:21 |
rubenwardy |
like, have decision tree based NPCs |
| 17:21 |
rubenwardy |
which have needs and can perform jobs |
| 17:21 |
rubenwardy |
dwarf fortress style |
| 17:21 |
rubenwardy |
however, before doing this I'd like to improve npcf |
| 17:21 |
rubenwardy |
which is meh |
| 17:25 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: my citybuilder mod is supposed to be a basis for such things. but: no mobs included. nobody who'll build the structures |
| 17:25 |
rubenwardy |
there's a famous computer scientist that said something along the lines of "every good program has many smaller programs in it" |
| 17:25 |
Sokomine |
i've started with some nodes that may act as an interface. in the end mobs will only have to search for scaffolding nodes and dig-here-indicators and call a function in those. all they'd have to do is walk there, call the function... |
| 17:25 |
rubenwardy |
anyone know which and what the exact quote is? |
| 17:27 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 17:27 |
rubenwardy |
Inside every large program, there is a small program trying to get out. --C.A.R. Hoare |
| 17:50 |
xerox123 |
how much longer will the weather be like this ffs |
| 17:51 |
rubenwardy |
idk |
| 17:51 |
rubenwardy |
it sucks |
| 17:51 |
rubenwardy |
Cafe Nero is air conditioned at least |
| 17:53 |
* xerox123 |
treks down to a Cafe Nero |
| 18:07 |
rubenwardy |
hey Krock, sofar: you're opinioned |
| 18:07 |
rubenwardy |
would you be willing to read a modding book chapter on code architecture? |
| 18:07 |
Krock |
read? |
| 18:08 |
rubenwardy |
to ~rip me a new one~ give feedback? |
| 18:08 |
Krock |
I think you mean review |
| 18:08 |
rubenwardy |
err, same thing? |
| 18:08 |
Krock |
yes, except that you answered faster than me |
| 18:09 |
Krock |
oh well sure, can do that. Might not get done if it's too long |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
well, it's 1000 words |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
if that makes a difference |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
there's pretty pictures though |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
well |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
a pretty diagram |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
well |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
a diagram |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
here it is: https://i.rubenwardy.com/16Cjq.png |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
it's rather idealistic so I've included a compromise which I see a lot |
| 18:14 |
rubenwardy |
not sure what else to cover, it's rather hard to write aout really |
| 18:15 |
rubenwardy |
plus the design depends on what the mod is. MVC is more suited for `crafting` than moreblocks |
| 18:18 |
Krock |
"but to instead make you think" -> "to give you an idea" or "inspiration" |
| 18:18 |
Krock |
each literature makes you think, but the actual goal of it is different |
| 18:21 |
Krock |
"These are 3 separate areas that you can separate." could be more useful than stating the obvious |
| 18:21 |
Sokomine |
hmm. rsyncing my mt-cache-folder takes ages... |
| 18:21 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 18:21 |
rubenwardy |
that sounds like a bad idea |
| 18:21 |
rubenwardy |
hmm |
| 18:21 |
* Sokomine |
throws some surplus files at rubenwardy :-) |
| 18:23 |
Krock |
"land.get_by_name" and "land.show_create_formspec" have both "name" as argument, it is unclear whether it's an area name or the player name |
| 18:27 |
Krock |
"You should avoid having any calculations more complex than.." suggestion: "You should keep the amount of calculations [and processing] to a minimum." because I'm not sure how helpful the "1 + 1" example is there |
| 18:29 |
Krock |
"The controller should have no knowledge.." might be helpful to have a code reference here, since it's already provided as an example above |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
thanks for the feedback |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
would you say what's there is accurate? |
| 18:33 |
rubenwardy |
how relevant is it to Minetest modding, and do think anything else should be covered? |
| 18:33 |
rubenwardy |
how well does it match up to your mod design practice? |
| 18:33 |
* rubenwardy |
applies your suggestions |
| 18:34 |
Krock |
I'm thinking on how to simplify the text below the image |
| 18:35 |
Krock |
it sounds way too complicated but I struggle finding the right words |
| 18:37 |
rubenwardy |
Shara is pretty good at this |
| 18:37 |
rubenwardy |
idk |
| 18:39 |
Shara |
Huh what wait I am? |
| 18:40 |
Shara |
I can probably reword bits at some point. But that's annoying to do when you send only an image to review from :D |
| 18:40 |
Shara |
Also heat death |
| 18:40 |
Krock |
"It is important that each node [graph box above] only communicates with its direct neighbours to ensure compatibility when the internal or external data format changes." (or something like that) |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
loool |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
existing is: It’s very important that the view doesn’t call any functions in the model, and has the model never calls any functions in the controller or view. Each part only calls the part next to it, no exceptions. This means that you could change the view without changing the model, and vise-versa. It also means that the view could be changed to use a different Minetest API without changing the model or controller. |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
hmm |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
I need a staging env for mmb |
| 18:51 |
Sokomine |
are mvc approaches really used in a relevant way in mt modding? |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
It is important that each area only communicates with its direct neighbours, |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
as shown above, in order to reduce how much you need to change if you want to |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
change an areas internals or externals. For example, to change the formspec you |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
would only need to edit the view. To change the view API, you would only need to |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
change the view and the controller, but not the model at all. |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
oops |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
Sokomine: my capitalism game uses |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
it |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
but a variation is used as given in API-view |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
err |
| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
it fairly commonly used as given in API-view |
| 18:54 |
rubenwardy |
people don't tend to test their mods anyway |
| 18:54 |
rubenwardy |
so mix in API calls everywhere |
| 18:55 |
rubenwardy |
afk |
| 18:57 |
Sokomine |
ah. nice to hear that your game progresses and got documentation |
| 18:57 |
* Sokomine |
hides before someone asks for documentation for the villages |
| 18:59 |
rubenwardy |
My game doesn't have documentation! |
| 18:59 |
rubenwardy |
The accusation |
| 19:02 |
rubenwardy |
Documenting my projects, ha |
| 19:02 |
rubenwardy |
Dmms |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
nice monologue you've got there |
| 19:04 |
rubenwardy |
Thanks |
| 19:05 |
rubenwardy |
The chat is like 90% me |
| 19:05 |
rubenwardy |
Still, more ontopic than this channels seen in a yeaf |
| 19:06 |
Krock |
needs a scientific analysis |
| 19:07 |
Krock |
using blockchain AI technology |
| 19:21 |
Sokomine |
:-) |
| 19:22 |
Sokomine |
i still have to catch up with the forum. the screenshot thread grew quite big |
| 19:25 |
Krock |
911. our fork count is 911 |
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IcyDiamond |
https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-07-08-22:45:06.png like my progress bar on the sawmill? :) |
| 19:47 |
Shara |
IcyDiamond: looks interesting |
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| 19:50 |
Krock |
Round shape doesn't quite fit to a filling animation |
| 19:51 |
IcyDiamond |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 19:52 |
IcyDiamond |
its a nice machine-specific change from the usual arrow |
| 19:52 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 19:58 |
Sokomine |
IcyDiamond: ah, a sawmill machine? that sounds nice. i'd love to include some machines in my mg_villages houses. the sawmill building could use a real sawmill machine |
| 20:00 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 20:07 |
* rubenwardy |
just smashed his phone |
| 20:08 |
rubenwardy |
Crappy shorts with overly big pockets + hard patio |
| 20:09 |
IcyDiamond |
gg |
| 20:09 |
rubenwardy |
Still usable |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
my shorts' pockets are too small |
| 20:09 |
IcyDiamond |
nice |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
I have to give up trying to put my phone in my pockets when I'm wearing shorts |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
(I just put it in my bag) |
| 20:10 |
rubenwardy |
Smashed is an exaggeration - there's very small cracks along the top |
| 20:10 |
IcyDiamond |
same |
| 20:15 |
Sokomine |
oh. hope it's not too broken, rubenwardy. they can survive some mistreatment... |
| 20:18 |
Sokomine |
solars is worried about some people considering worldedit files/schematics not considered something by others as holding some form of license |
| 20:19 |
rubenwardy |
The definitely are |
| 20:19 |
longerstaff13 |
how would I change the default privileges of new players on my server? is it set in minetest.conf? |
| 20:19 |
rubenwardy |
default_privs ues |
| 20:19 |
longerstaff13 |
ok |
| 20:21 |
longerstaff13 |
would it be "default_privs = priv1,priv2,etc."? |
| 20:21 |
IcyDiamond |
yeah |
| 20:21 |
longerstaff13 |
alright |
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paramat |
schematics are 'media' like textures |
| 20:43 |
* rubenwardy |
reads about Amazon's self publish service |
| 20:48 |
Krock |
paramat: media is for me everything that mods provide to clients. schematics are server-side only. maybe unclear terminology? |
| 20:54 |
paramat |
hmm |
| 20:55 |
paramat |
ok not sure about the right word, but they are licensable like textures and sounds, and i would group them under 'media' in docs |
| 20:57 |
paramat |
these fence rails are good, i agree they make fences look much better |
| 21:00 |
Sokomine |
a media license certainly fits better than a code license, yes. the problem in the thread seems to be disagreement as to what can be done with worldedit/schematic files where no license is stated |
| 21:01 |
Sokomine |
paramat: can the fence rails be seen somewhere? i've heared much talk about them here but never actually seen them |
| 21:02 |
paramat |
see PR in MTG |
| 21:05 |
Sokomine |
hm. are they middle part of fences? |
| 21:12 |
paramat |
yes so no need for a post in every node |
| 21:12 |
paramat |
any length, can cross or go round corners |
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paramat |
fence rails complete now |
| 21:40 |
Sokomine |
ah. did that with my xconnected mod. looks odd if there are too many inbetween without a fence post |
| 21:41 |
Fixer |
time to check out fence rails ingame |
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BillyS |
!server LS-WOnderland |
| 22:11 |
MinetestBot |
BillyS: LS-Wonderland | mt.xeroxirc.net:30002 | Clients: 13/20, 9/17 | Version: 0.4.17.1 / minetest_game | Ping: 15ms |
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rdococ |
I haven't tried LS_WOnderland before |
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| 23:19 |
IhrFussel |
Should this work? ent[pn] = ent.object |
| 23:19 |
IhrFussel |
Then I can pass the entity data to any function? |
| 23:32 |
IhrFussel |
It works! Now my cart entering is idiot-safe! |
| 23:32 |
paramat |
eheh |
| 23:32 |
IhrFussel |
When standing near a cart the server shows a formspec "ENTER CART?" With Yes and No buttons |
| 23:33 |
paramat |
safe from most players then |
| 23:34 |
IhrFussel |
Many app users just punched the carts without entering...that could still happen but if they wait a few secs they will see this window and hopefully finally ride it |
