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11:37 Krock Hello Minetesters
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11:48 nerzhul hello Krock
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12:55 Mr_Pardison Installed manjaro w/ xfce as the DE.
12:56 Mr_Pardison Very nice feel to it and it's easy on the system from what I can see.
12:56 ANAND Congrats! :)
12:56 rubenwardy yay!
12:57 Mr_Pardison Now, to install MT.
12:58 Mr_Pardison and find out why my brightness isn't going up even tho I have the keyboard settign at its max.
12:59 ANAND graphics drivers
12:59 ANAND graphics driver*
12:59 Mr_Pardison update that?
13:00 ANAND no, the driver will have brightness settings
13:00 ANAND afk
13:07 Krock hi Mr_Pardison. Welcome at the good side of DEs!
13:08 * Mr_Pardison hands Krock a duck
13:11 Krock Meanwhile a recent portrait of me (front) in PvP against some players (back): https://i.imgur.com/CTUde2a.jpg
13:12 Fixer Krock: that feel when you are decades older than any other player
13:12 Krock Fixer, maybe it applies sometimes but then again others might be much more used to FPS games than me :3
13:13 Fixer especially weird when you expect some old player on minecraft beta server but they are still teens and teenagers
13:13 Fixer like adults do not play minecraft/test anymore or hiding very well
13:14 Fixer or don't have enough time or play other games
13:16 Mr_Pardison Krock: sicne I've joined the good side of DE's, then you should see my quit message on HexChat.
13:16 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/contentdb 🤔
13:16 Fixer 🤔🤔🤔
13:17 Krock Mr_Pardison, but I don't want you to leave
13:18 Mr_Pardison I happen to be using The Lounge right now
13:18 * Krock expecting rubenwardy to have a teammate who helps him. yet only 2 commits of over hundred from the mate
13:18 rubenwardy yup
13:18 Calinou quassel=> DELETE FROM backlog;
13:18 Calinou DELETE 26100414
13:18 Calinou whew :P
13:18 Calinou I had like 5.5 GB of backlog in PostgreSQL
13:18 rubenwardy I talked to my lectuerer, and we're being marked separately now
13:18 rubenwardy so he'll just fail this unit
13:18 Calinou classmates_irl
13:19 Calinou I relate to this far too much. :P
13:19 * Mr_Pardison has found that manjaro has MT 0.4.16-3
13:19 Mr_Pardison yay!
13:19 Calinou https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=minetest and https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=minetest
13:19 Calinou even Debian/Ubuntu are up-to-date :P
13:20 Mr_Pardison guh... it's waiting for another package manager to quit and I'm installing drivers for my graphics card.
13:20 Calinou I have a webdev project in PHP, so far I've done 100% of the work
13:20 Calinou I just don't conceive any other way to do it :|
13:24 * Mr_Pardison whacks the graphics driver installer with a light saber and yells at it to speed it up
13:24 Mr_Pardison seems like I'm going to have to do this antoher way...
13:24 * Mr_Pardison pulls up a terminal
13:26 Krock <Calinou> I relate to this far too much. :P  |  err who can't?
13:26 Calinou people who aren't nerds :^)
13:26 Krock Mr_Pardison, 0.4.16 is outdated. compile a backport binar
13:26 Krock +y
13:28 Krock Mr_Pardison, early in the day means that you have at least some opportunities to try it :3
13:28 Krock (during the day)
13:28 Mr_Pardison oh alright.
13:30 Mr_Pardison but I need to fix the brightness problem first since that will just keep bugging me and put a strain on my eyes in terms of being able to see the screen easily.
13:31 Calinou backports are already comiled
13:31 Calinou compiled*
13:31 Calinou you just need to enable the backports repository
13:32 Calinou and specify you want to install the package from backports using "-t <version>-backports" too, IIRC
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14:01 Mr_Pardison so, how would I go about compiling the backport binary?
14:03 rubenwardy \o/
14:05 Mr_Pardison I've only installed from the software stores that come with ubuntu and the windows ones are ez to run since they just need you to unzip and run the application.
14:06 Calinou Mr_Pardison: you could install minetest or minetest-git from the AUR since you're on Manjaro :)
14:06 Calinou `yaourt -S minetest-git`
14:06 rubenwardy that's 0.5.0-dev
14:07 rubenwardy and no need for -S
14:07 rubenwardy actually, that probably skips the intersactive selector
14:07 Mr_Pardison kool.
14:11 Calinou `yaourt minetest` will perform a search, yeah
14:12 Mr_Pardison says "bash: yaourt: command not found."
14:13 Calinou hmm, AUR support is not enabled by default anymore in Manjaro?
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14:24 Mr_Pardison quick search says that they are not enabled by default.
14:26 Mr_Pardison will be enabling it so I can install MT
14:27 rubenwardy pacman -Syu yaourt
14:28 Mr_Pardison found a guide on how to enable them.
14:29 Mr_Pardison and I'm running an update in another terminal tab so it won't run it and throws some errors at me.
14:33 * Mr_Pardison makes a note not to run a package manager at the same time as wanting to install another program
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16:01 Krock Well, that escalated quickly. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=319231
16:02 Fixer is that correct that gnome will disallow running binaries by left-clicking in their Nautilus? That is batshit even by crazyShapple standards
16:02 Fixer https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/commit/3a22ed5b8e3bbc1c59ff3069ee79755168754916
16:04 Fixer those guys are ruining linux desktop as it is, since gnome is often used by default, yet they push that apple nonsense so hard
16:04 sofar don't just make up random things
16:05 sofar gnome isn't some illuminati
16:06 Fixer apple part is what annoys me
16:06 * Mr-Pardison takes the apple from Fixer and hands them a peach
16:06 sofar nobody at gnome is attempting to copy from Apple or anyone
16:07 Fixer and I said nothing new, same criticism was like 10 years ago
16:07 sofar it's just that all science works towards discovering the same things
16:07 sofar better UIs will have many things in common
16:07 Fixer i don't see how disallowing binaries is better ui
16:07 sofar and gnome is and will be for the masses, not for tinfoil hat people
16:07 Fixer especially in poweruser OS
16:08 sofar I'm sure there is a way to disable it in gnome
16:08 Fixer Linux was for power users not for brain deads
16:08 Fixer it all started somewhere after release of gnome2
16:08 Fixer they started removing features
16:08 sofar there's a billion android devices, of which there are maybe half a million power users
16:08 Fixer it is a big meme on any linux site
16:09 sofar yes, and we all believe the meme
16:09 sofar all hail the mighty meme
16:09 sofar have you ever talked to a gnome developer in person?
16:09 Mr-Pardison hail!
16:10 Fixer why?
16:10 Fixer GNOME forum rage never stopped since 2000s...
16:10 Fixer people gave up on it
16:10 Fixer and move to XFCE, KDE, LXQT, etc
16:11 sofar ok so for the past 14 years you've spent exactly 0 seconds getting a better view of the situation
16:11 Fixer gnome3 is when it started crazy, with appeals to dumb down tablet design, yet I don't see any mass production GNOME tablet anywhere
16:11 Fixer I've used gnome
16:11 Fixer i've seen where it goes
16:12 sofar it goes to you ranting
16:12 Fixer yeah
16:12 Fixer tons of people ranting and flame wars
16:12 sofar this is #minetest-hub, we don't care about rants about gnome in here
16:12 Fixer don't get started on lennart, pulse audio and systemd was biggest flamewar hits on linux forums, close to religion-atheism in hate
16:13 sofar what
16:13 sofar the
16:13 sofar fuck
16:13 Fixer :D
16:13 sofar stop drinking and turn off your computer
16:13 Fixer I shop just there :D
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16:16 sofar rubenwardy: I've just found a fatal flaw in quassel :(
16:17 Fixer no file transfer
16:17 Fixer 8 year old bug
16:17 Fixer or so
16:18 sofar nope, not that
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16:31 sofar can't make 1 quassel client connect to 2 cores
16:32 sofar now I'm forced to run a second client and start the second one with a manual config option
16:32 sofar not what I wanted.... I used to have just 1 irc client window
16:35 Mr_Pardison how do I tell if I have another package manager running at the same time when I am trying to install something from the terminal?
16:41 sofar depends on $pkgmanager
16:47 longerstaff13 o/
16:49 rubenwardy sofar: why do you need two cores?
16:50 rubenwardy you can connect to multiple networks with one core
16:51 longerstaff13 is quassel available for windows?
16:52 rubenwardy almost certainly
16:52 longerstaff13 yeah, it is lol
17:00 sofar rubenwardy: no
17:00 sofar rubenwardy: one network is company-internal
17:00 sofar I can't connect to that from the outside
17:01 sofar so I have to run 2 cores, I have no choice
17:01 rubenwardy ah right
17:02 rubenwardy if you can connect to freenode, couldn't you connect to some personal server?
17:02 rubenwardy on aws maybe, they can't be blocking that
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17:04 IhrFussel Anyboy here with hopper mod on their server(s) and can tell me if it's lightweight and stable?
17:04 IhrFussel Anybody*
17:05 Shara Fussel, I never had issues with it
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17:31 tenplus1 hi folks
17:31 Krock hi tenplus1
17:31 tenplus1 hey krock, how's you ?
17:32 Krock I'm fine, thanks. How about you?
17:32 tenplus1 at the moment confused, but ok
17:32 Krock what happened?
17:32 Krock I hope it's not Minetest related :D
17:32 tenplus1 changing stairs redo so it uses new node names (stair_inner stair_outer)
17:33 tenplus1 but aliases dont work ?!?!
17:33 tenplus1 e.g.  minetest.register_alias("stairs:invcorner_" .. subname, "stairs:stair_inner_" .. subname)
17:33 tenplus1 getting a lot of unknown nodes
17:33 tenplus1 but inventory items work
17:36 Krock uh.. strange
17:36 Krock try registering the alias after the new stair node
17:36 tenplus1 yup, done that
17:38 tenplus1 if I dig unknown node I'll see an inner stair in inventory, but if I give myself stairs:stair_outer_wood it doesnt stack but goes in slot beside it... a different item
17:38 * tenplus1 wonders if something is broken, or maybe he is
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17:39 tenplus1 wb BakerPrime
17:40 tenplus1 er... autocorrect sucketh
17:40 tenplus1 wb bwarden
17:40 * sofar gives leg up to bwarden
17:40 bwarden lol. Leg is up.
17:40 sofar +1
17:40 tenplus1 o/ sofar
17:41 sofar bwarden: I hope there is video evidence
17:41 bwarden Of my leg being up?
17:41 Krock tenplus1, because they are different items. alias just links one name with another definition
17:41 Krock it doesn't rename the items
17:41 sofar bwarden: nah
17:42 tenplus1 shouldnt alias replace the older item with the newer one in inventory and on map ???
17:42 Krock replacing is done by LBMs
17:42 bwarden sofar: or do you want to see the new hardware?
17:43 sofar I already took all the boxes in your cubicle
17:43 tenplus1 so alias only deals with inventory items, not actual node switching ?
17:43 sofar or are you talking metal pins and rods?
17:43 bwarden Screws and brackets
17:43 sofar like, kitchen drawer mounts?
17:44 sofar do you get to choose pulls?
17:44 Krock tenplus1, the unknown nodes in the world should actually be known after the alias.. hmm
17:44 sofar "would you like brushed nickel or chrome, or bronze?" :)
17:44 tenplus1 that's what is confusing me, they appear as unknowns and the aliases are pointing correctly to the old and new node...
17:44 bwarden I'll ask, but I suspect I got the titanium upgrade.
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17:45 tenplus1 o/ paramat
17:45 sofar oh nice. I've got a platinum rod somewhere but unfortunately it's not externally visible
17:45 * tenplus1 tries something
17:46 tenplus1 dammit, minetest.after affects alias creation
17:46 sofar you can't use alias outside of the mod init phase
17:47 sofar that would be messy
17:47 tenplus1 that kinda sucks...
17:47 tenplus1 thanks for assist krock, found the issue
17:47 Krock tenplus1, what was it?
17:48 Krock oh. minetest.after
17:48 tenplus1 yeah, it waits for all mods to load and registers stairs, alias doesnt like that as sofar said
17:49 sofar yeah... in theory you could get away with that
17:50 sofar but if one mapblock would load persistently you'd be hosed
17:50 tenplus1 least I know now, will change code to suit...  thanks also sofar
17:51 Krock only callbacks and custom mod functions/data can be registered or run using minetest.after() registering nodes, aliases and such will cause issues
17:51 * tenplus1 learns something new every day :)
17:54 * rdococ forgets something new every day, therefore he cannot be an elephant
17:54 tenplus1 lol, hi rdococ
18:06 BakerPrime Thanks, tenplus1
18:06 BakerPrime Did I leave?
18:08 tenplus1 sorry dude, autocorrected to the wrong nick... was being lazy
18:13 BakerPrime Ah, that
18:13 BakerPrime *'s alright, I was pinged by BillyS twice on another channel anyway
18:13 Krock hi BakerPrime
18:13 BillyS And I was pinged once by BakerPrime on another channel too.
18:13 tenplus1 lol
18:14 paramat ugh this PR will be unhealthy #7361
18:14 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7361 -- Added crossview support by otdav33
18:14 tenplus1 *** Stairs Redo git has been updated with new inner_ outer_ names and aliases
18:14 Krock *** Message was sent sucessfully
18:16 IcyDiamond I'm trying to think of efficient ways I could have a power distribution network without a controller
18:16 tenplus1 hi icy
18:16 IcyDiamond Hey
18:20 IcyDiamond Idk I don't think I can
18:25 Mr_Pardison hiya tenplus1. long time no c.
18:25 tenplus1 hi mister
18:25 tenplus1 hows you ?
18:25 Mr_Pardison eh.
18:25 Mr_Pardison happy that I installed Manjaro w/ xfce as the DE.
18:26 tenplus1 sweet :) working ok ?
18:26 Mr_Pardison yup.
18:26 tenplus1 glad to hear :) xfce is really good
18:26 Mr_Pardison had to be something light for older hardware.
18:26 tenplus1 for anyone that uses them, I've updated (Ethereal NG, Farming Redo, Pova, Stairs Redo)
18:27 tenplus1 xfce is light enough and fast enough for my old lappy :)
18:28 Mr_Pardison the one I installed it on, it has an intel i5 and 4GB ram but I still wanted something light enough to allow me to have MT run at better FPS
18:29 tenplus1 oh yeah, xanadu server runs Openbox/lxde just for that
18:30 Mr_Pardison enabled yaourt and now will be installing MT on it :D
18:31 tenplus1 yaourt ?
18:31 sofar yoghurt
18:31 Mr_Pardison Yet AnOther User Repository Tool
18:32 tenplus1 lol
18:32 tenplus1 ohh, never tried that one... always been a synaptic fan :P
18:33 BakerPrime Hello Krock
18:33 Mr_Pardison since Krock said that 0.4.16-3 is outdated, Calinou said to do yaourt -S minetest-git
18:33 Mr_Pardison I skipped the -S part and am installing now.
18:34 tenplus1 wait, wont that install 0.5 dev ?
18:34 Mr_Pardison I'm just following the advice of Krock and Calinou.
18:34 rubenwardy yeah, it will
18:34 Calinou 0.4.16 is the latest stable version, no?
18:35 Calinou and yes, minetest-git will install 0.5
18:35 tenplus1 hi ruben...  hey cal
18:35 tenplus1 isnt 0.4.17 available yet ?
18:35 Calinou 0.4.16 is still the latest according to https://www.minetest.net/downloads/
18:35 rubenwardy it is
18:35 Mr_Pardison but why is 0.4.17 not in -stable yet?
18:35 rubenwardy not been released
18:36 tenplus1 what's to be finished?
18:37 rubenwardy dunno
18:39 * tenplus1 is eager for a bugfix release with some new features
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19:02 tenplus1 wb dude
19:03 Mr-Pardison installed 0.4.16 and the FPS is at 60.
19:03 Mr-Pardison 60!
19:03 tenplus1 what was fps on 0.5 ?
19:03 rubenwardy try changing max_fps to 200
19:03 rubenwardy and wanted_fps, forget if that's a thing
19:04 Shara 0.4.17 is a myth!
19:04 rubenwardy :O
19:04 Shara You should all know this by now!
19:04 Mr-Pardison 0.4.17-dev is real.
19:04 tenplus1 the cake is a lie
19:04 tenplus1 also hi
19:04 Shara tenplus1: It can't be... what did I eat last night if it wasn't cake?!?! :(
19:04 Mr-Pardison evening Shara
19:04 xerox123 o/ tenplus1 :D
19:04 tenplus1 forbidden pie
19:04 Shara Ekkk
19:04 Mr-Pardison flour, water, sugar, butter and maybe some food coloring.
19:04 xerox123 http://csgoani.me/vjqadox XD
19:04 Shara Oh well, I guess it's no longer forbidden
19:07 tenplus1 not had decent cake in a loooooong time
19:07 IhrFussel Shara, also causes no extra lag?
19:08 tenplus1 hi fussel
19:09 Shara I'm sure cake causes lag in people.
19:09 Shara Other than when they're trying to reach it.
19:10 IhrFussel Was referring to the hoppers :P
19:10 tenplus1 which ones ?
19:10 * Mr-Pardison shall be having his cake (and eating it too!) ins a few days :D
19:11 Shara Cakes on pogosticks?? (yes, I know you were :P)
19:11 Shara hoppers are fine
19:11 Mr-Pardison not on pogo sticks.
19:11 Mr-Pardison the cakes would be on rabbit.
19:11 Mr-Pardison *rabbits
19:11 Krock xerox123, lol what a nice remix
19:31 IhrFussel Do the hoppers run even if mapblocks are not loaded?
19:31 IhrFussel Or in other words: Are they still active when no one is nearby?
19:32 tenplus1 no they only run when map area is loaded...
19:32 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/6dd980257407b48db89694bff08641f2
19:32 rubenwardy !title
19:32 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Auto-restart, log per season, email on crash · GitHub
19:32 tenplus1 the void hopper can run for quite some time after the player has left :D
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19:33 tenplus1 hi aerozoic
19:33 aerozoic wazup tenplus1
19:33 tenplus1 :P
19:34 aerozoic Hey you have a green dot!
19:34 aerozoic Did you always have that? XD
19:34 tenplus1 green dot ?
19:34 aerozoic op status
19:35 tenplus1 ohh, yeah I've had that for a while
19:35 aerozoic cool, i just never noticed XD
19:35 longerstaff13 lol
19:35 tenplus1 hi longer
19:35 longerstaff13 hi 10+1
19:35 aerozoic wazup longerstaff13
19:35 longerstaff13 ello aero
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19:37 tenplus1 wb
19:50 aerozoic O_o
19:51 tenplus1 hi Gael-de-Sailly
19:51 aerozoic wazup Gael-de-Sailly!
19:51 Gael-de-Sailly Hi
20:12 tenplus1 nite folks o/
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20:17 rubenwardy if anyone cares, here's some mod releases stats: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/c82ae1da82c57301fdfa174ddcba484a
20:17 rubenwardy 1586 / 2544 mods are on github
20:17 rubenwardy !c 1586/2544
20:17 MinetestBot 0.6234276729559748
20:18 rubenwardy note this could be an over estimate due to mods linking to another mod's github link
20:18 rubenwardy and also the fact that   " - -357 were from elsewhere"
20:23 aerozoic rubenwardy, what qualifies as a release?
20:24 rubenwardy this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=11
20:24 aerozoic ah ok :)
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20:29 rubenwardy "We've updated our privacy policy!"
20:49 rdococ "We can now use your data for whatever the hell we want, but we won't tell you!"
20:53 IhrFussel No chance with GDPR
21:02 sofar heh, GDPR
21:03 sofar EDPR, you mean?
21:04 Calinou MTDPR
21:13 rdococ I'm not sure how to feel about leaving the EU
21:13 rubenwardy annoyed
21:14 rubenwardy now we have to line up with all the other people to travel or move to EU countries :'(
21:15 rdococ I feel like this place is going to become "Tiny US with a queen"
21:15 rubenwardy just because of xenophobia, which this won't change - governments will still let immigrants in as it's in the interest of companies
21:15 rubenwardy and so called soveignty, which we don't really have anyway
21:15 rubenwardy thanks Murdoch
21:17 rdococ How do you feel about hate speech laws?
21:20 Calinou UK in 2014: "France sucks lol"
21:20 Calinou UK now: "wow, wish we were there"
21:20 Calinou :P
21:20 rdococ Calinou: Not sure what you're referring to.
21:20 Calinou French bashing was big a few years ago
21:20 Calinou it calmed down recently, thankfully
21:21 rdococ I've never heard or been a part of this french bashing
21:21 rdococ Did they provide any evidence to back up their claim that "france sucks"?
21:21 Calinou often not :)
21:22 Calinou but it was getting real annoying
21:39 Fixer HEY< LITTLE DRUM!
21:41 Fixer Calinou: France has its own probrems
21:42 Fixer rubenwardy: you processed the forum or searched on github somehow?
21:42 rubenwardy neither
21:42 rubenwardy Krock did
21:42 Fixer from what data?
21:42 Fixer does it contain forks?
21:42 rubenwardy it uses Krock's mod search
21:42 rubenwardy yes
21:42 Fixer ah
21:42 rubenwardy I'm looking forward to when I can take down that parser
21:42 rubenwardy not long now
21:43 Fixer "download link is blacklisted"
21:43 rubenwardy yep
21:43 rubenwardy {{ self.title() }}
21:43 rubenwardy oops
21:43 rubenwardy good that wasn't a password
21:43 rubenwardy https://minetest-mods.rubenwardy.com/blacklist/
21:43 Fixer -357 were from elsewhere
21:43 Fixer wat
21:44 Fixer rubenwardy: i wonder if you can get amount of stars on each one from github
21:44 rubenwardy you can
21:45 Fixer just for statistics
21:45 Fixer you will get shit-tons of 1 star mod, those I've starred for ages
21:47 Fixer rubenwardy: does it include modpacks?
21:47 Fixer and texture packs?
21:47 rubenwardy ye
21:47 rubenwardy no
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