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twoelk |
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MinetestBot |
tenplus1: Mar-25 19:02 UTC <rubenwardy> If you want your skin mod's formspec to continue to have a transparent background, you'll need to add no_prepends[] after size[] |
| 16:33 |
MinetestBot |
tenplus1: Mar-25 20:45 UTC <rubenwardy> damange and die reasons https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6396 |
| 16:33 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 16:33 |
Mr_Pardison |
hai |
| 16:33 |
rubenwardy |
tenplus1, both have those have been merged |
| 16:33 |
rubenwardy |
so 0.5.0 now has reasons for hp changes and damage! |
| 16:34 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, checking... hi mister :) hi ruben |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
I'm also working on a PR to deprecate depends.txt |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
so you can just use mod.conf instead |
| 16:34 |
tenplus1 |
nicely done... I had no idea these were added |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
one file instead of many |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
was merged today |
| 16:34 |
tenplus1 |
oh so mod.conf will have depends included |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
and also description |
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Mr_Pardison |
so now it logs a PvP and PvE attack? |
| 16:35 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 16:35 |
Mr_Pardison |
nice. |
| 16:35 |
rubenwardy |
if github loads... |
| 16:35 |
tenplus1 |
sweeeeeeet :) many thanks for adding this :) |
| 16:35 |
rubenwardy |
yw |
| 16:35 |
tenplus1 |
can finally tweak the fire damage on 3d_armor to work better |
| 16:36 |
Mr_Pardison |
now that will help with disputes about a PvP attack that is in violation of the rules. |
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tenplus1 |
hi Flitzpiepe |
| 16:37 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2797 |
| 16:37 |
rubenwardy |
Mr_Pardison, tenplus1 ^ |
| 16:38 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 16:38 |
Mr_Pardison |
ye. |
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* tenplus1 |
is so eager for 0.5.0 stable rollout |
| 16:40 |
Mr_Pardison |
same. |
| 16:40 |
twoelk |
hm, mod description in mod.conf? is that good for mod management tools? |
| 16:40 |
rubenwardy |
twoelk, convenience |
| 16:40 |
rubenwardy |
like, only needing one file for these things |
| 16:40 |
tenplus1 |
how will it be formatted for dependencies and mod name? |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
comma separated |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
modname is like it is currently |
| 16:41 |
tenplus1 |
dependencies = default, mobs? like that ? |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
not sure about new lines for description, I guess that'll have to use .txt for now |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
depends = default |
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| 16:41 |
rubenwardy |
optional_depends = mobs |
| 16:42 |
twoelk |
hm, so the info has to be extracted from a larger file |
| 16:42 |
tenplus1 |
riight, gotcha |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
it already extracts it from that file |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
it's now just reading the files |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
ie: anytime you read description, you also read depends and name |
| 16:43 |
twoelk |
will your mod project read the file? |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
yes, if you mean the website |
| 16:43 |
twoelk |
yep |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
that's on the todo |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
support for importing from mod.conf / depends.txt / etc |
| 16:44 |
tenplus1 |
this will break many things, but I suppose it's a good start for the halfway point 0.5 |
| 16:44 |
rubenwardy |
it won't |
| 16:44 |
rubenwardy |
depends.txt will be supported stil |
| 16:44 |
tenplus1 |
ahh good, optional settings... waht it both exist ? |
| 16:50 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, was night vision added yet?!?! *checks* |
| 16:50 |
Mr_Pardison |
bring creature comforts with you! |
| 16:50 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, mod makers will unfortunatelly have to create both until 0.4 is less used |
| 16:50 |
Mr_Pardison |
wrong channel. |
| 16:53 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6844 |
| 16:53 |
tenplus1 |
!title |
| 16:53 |
MinetestBot |
tenplus1: Add fullbright mode by HybridDog · Pull Request #6844 · minetest/minetest · GitHub |
| 16:53 |
rubenwardy |
#6844 |
| 16:53 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6844 -- Add fullbright mode by HybridDog |
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tenplus1 |
o/ sofar |
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MinetestBot |
Krock: Mar-27 22:44 UTC <Fixer_> I hope that far pointing bug on android is fixed |
| 17:05 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock |
| 17:05 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 17:05 |
Krock |
Fixer, ofc it's fixed - for months already |
| 17:05 |
tenplus1 |
oh yeah, that's an annoying bug when players on server can reach for miles |
| 17:10 |
tenplus1 |
regarding the item wield issue, why not just use stu's wielditem mod and player model |
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tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
| 17:14 |
IhrFussel |
Hi guys ... is there a known exploit regarding mobs + formspecs? A player just claimed to have killed a monster via "formspec" |
| 17:15 |
tenplus1 |
lol what ?!?! |
| 17:15 |
sofar |
formspecs themselves are OK, but the code in mods that handle them can have exploits |
| 17:15 |
sofar |
depends on the mods |
| 17:15 |
tenplus1 |
unless there's a button in a mod formspec that kills mobs in a certain range, then no :P |
| 17:15 |
sofar |
you'd have to audit all your formspec code |
| 17:16 |
sofar |
what tenplus1 said is likely true, but not 100% certain |
| 17:16 |
tenplus1 |
I only have one formspec in mobs and it's hardcoded and localised |
| 17:16 |
sofar |
do you have any formspec on your server that does something with mobs too? |
| 17:16 |
tenplus1 |
nametags |
| 17:16 |
sofar |
show me the code :) |
| 17:17 |
sofar |
IhrFussel: only way to know is to audit the code... |
| 17:17 |
sofar |
which I can do if you want me to |
| 17:18 |
IhrFussel |
False alarm...sorry I misunderstood something or the player isn't good at English ... They were talking about something else and randomly put "and i killed a monster" in it |
| 17:18 |
rubenwardy |
#6243 |
| 17:18 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6243 -- Load dependencies and description from mod.conf by rubenwardy |
| 17:18 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehehehe |
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sofar |
bummer, I would have loved to find a cool exploit to fix |
| 17:19 |
sofar |
:) |
| 17:19 |
tenplus1 |
there's always that random serialize.h error that happens with no displayed error line... |
| 17:19 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 17:19 |
tenplus1 |
but that hasn't happened for so long now I think it was a 0.4.15 glitch in itself |
| 17:20 |
IhrFussel |
Formspecs have enough security issues already IMO... |
| 17:20 |
sofar |
mods, you mean |
| 17:20 |
sofar |
mods have security issues |
| 17:20 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/tenplus1/mobs_redo/blob/master/api.lua#L3706 that's the only formspec in api |
| 17:21 |
IhrFussel |
In my opinion the engine should validate what mods do |
| 17:21 |
IhrFussel |
The same about invalid positions mods could give...the engine should make sure invalid positions can never be accessed |
| 17:22 |
tenplus1 |
when errors are shown with no line numbers that's an issue, and you cant always run debug mode in live servers |
| 17:23 |
tenplus1 |
*on |
| 17:26 |
IhrFussel |
Since I have this weird Server::SendMovePlayer segfault randomly and it is not tied to a machine since I ran my world on 3 already, it is most likely also caused by a mod that tells the engine wrong data maybe |
| 17:27 |
IhrFussel |
Other server owners I asked don't have such random segfaults ... I'm guessing it is something that updates the player position a lot |
| 17:27 |
sofar |
as I said |
| 17:27 |
sofar |
formspec in the engine is already as secure it can be |
| 17:28 |
sofar |
because if it would limit input data even further, it would make certain formspecs impossible |
| 17:28 |
sofar |
security must come from all parts involved |
| 17:28 |
sofar |
so you must secure your mods too |
| 17:29 |
sofar |
tenplus1: looks OK but you probably want to disallow certain characters in nametags |
| 17:29 |
sofar |
no obvious gaps in input checking in that code that I can see |
| 17:30 |
sofar |
the only problem is that I can rename any mob without needing a nametag |
| 17:30 |
sofar |
let me rephrase that |
| 17:31 |
sofar |
I'd need one nametag. But I can rename the mob later without wielding a nametag. |
| 17:31 |
tenplus1 |
how so ? |
| 17:32 |
sofar |
the register_on_receive_fields() doesn't check that I'm wielding the nametag anymore, or even have it in the first place |
| 17:32 |
sofar |
so I can open the formspec once |
| 17:32 |
sofar |
and then mob_obj[name] is valid |
| 17:32 |
sofar |
close the formspec |
| 17:32 |
sofar |
even throw the nametag away |
| 17:33 |
tenplus1 |
the mobs:feed_tame handles right clicking of mobs with items and should onyl show the formspec if a nametag is in hand |
| 17:33 |
sofar |
and then, at any later point in time, I can spoof a formspec data send packet to rename the mob |
| 17:33 |
sofar |
it would be trivial for me, if I was at home, to demonstrate this |
| 17:33 |
tenplus1 |
3rd party mods can change anything about a mob, that's fine... am not gonna limit that part |
| 17:34 |
sofar |
just add a check that checks the wield hand |
| 17:34 |
sofar |
this isn't 3rd party mods |
| 17:34 |
tenplus1 |
in received_fields ? |
| 17:34 |
sofar |
yes, like, at line 3733 or so |
| 17:35 |
sofar |
it's one of those "sure it's an exploit" bugs but it's not really terribly bad |
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tenplus1 |
hi raven, hi gary |
| 17:40 |
tenplus1 |
sofar: check added |
| 17:40 |
sofar |
tenplus1: :+1: |
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tenplus1 |
hi thomas |
| 17:41 |
rubenwardy |
so: depends or dependencies |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
as a key in mod.conf |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
depends = default,farming,sfinv |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
dependencies = default,farming,sfinv |
| 17:42 |
tenplus1 |
prolly depends = |
| 17:42 |
tenplus1 |
keep it similar |
| 17:42 |
sofar |
are spaces OK or not? |
| 17:42 |
sofar |
probably not, right? |
| 17:44 |
Raven262 |
Hi ten |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
o// |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
already commented on the space trimming. they must be allowed for friendlier usage. I'd go for "dependencies" - using nouns seems better |
| 17:48 |
twoelk |
maybe the screenshot file could optionaly have a name pointed to from the mod.conf - this could also point to pics for other purposes |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
hi twoelk |
| 17:48 |
twoelk |
o/ |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
wait, isnt screenshot dir a minetest.conf setting ? |
| 17:50 |
twoelk |
no, I meant the pic that shows in mod selection |
| 17:50 |
tenplus1 |
ohhhh |
| 17:50 |
tenplus1 |
screenshot.png is the default so not so bad |
| 17:51 |
twoelk |
except if you collect them :-P |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
how you mean ? |
| 17:51 |
twoelk |
and pointing to different files for different resolutions might be usefull for mobile apps |
| 17:53 |
twoelk |
for example for use in the wiki you have to rename the screenshot.png to modname.png because pic names ought to be unique |
| 17:53 |
tenplus1 |
does screenshot.jpg work also ? if so it should scale the image to show inside the preview formspec anyhoo |
| 17:53 |
twoelk |
might be similar with other 3rd-party mod tools |
| 17:55 |
rubenwardy |
I prefer depends |
| 17:55 |
twoelk |
lua.api says screenshot.png |
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tenplus1 |
wb |
| 18:02 |
Mr_Pardison |
ty. |
| 18:09 |
IhrFussel |
Can't we simply allow both? depends and dependencies? Should not be a difficult task to internally change it |
| 18:09 |
IhrFussel |
I do that with lots of commands |
| 18:10 |
IhrFussel |
People can then just use whichever they prefer |
| 18:11 |
Shara |
What if I prefer dependythingies? Does that get added too? :P |
| 18:11 |
tenplus1 |
lol... hi shara |
| 18:11 |
Shara |
Hi ten :) |
| 18:14 |
IhrFussel |
I don't see why we should force one way if there are several that make sense |
| 18:15 |
twoelk |
because keep it simple? |
| 18:15 |
IhrFussel |
There is no performance hit and it increases user friendliness |
| 18:15 |
Shara |
What twoelk said, really. |
| 18:15 |
Shara |
Otherwise I'll give you a list of about ten things for every setting that could be added :) |
| 18:16 |
IhrFussel |
depends makes sense cause of depends.txt and dependencies makes sense because it's the most logical |
| 18:17 |
Shara |
whatever gets used, people will just adapt |
| 18:17 |
Shara |
Keep it simple |
| 18:17 |
tenplus1 |
yeh |
| 18:17 |
Shara |
Otherwise I wants dependythingies included and I will use it for everything :) |
| 18:18 |
IhrFussel |
Dependencies is longer so harder for non-native English speakers to type |
| 18:18 |
Shara |
Yup, which is why I'd vote for depends |
| 18:18 |
tenplus1 |
depends = default, farming, ethereal?, mobs? |
| 18:18 |
tenplus1 |
looks simpler |
| 18:19 |
twoelk |
yah exspeciallie the ie-y confliking yn spalling |
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| 18:22 |
IhrFussel |
I think most mod topics in the forum also state "depends" instead of "dependencies" |
| 18:23 |
IhrFussel |
Of course I don't read every mod topic, but depends seems to mae more sense in MT |
| 18:23 |
IhrFussel |
make* |
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tenplus1 |
hi lumberJ |
| 18:25 |
Krock |
tenplus1, looks simpler but is a pain with long lines |
| 18:25 |
* twoelk |
is battling css issues and not gaining much ground |
| 18:25 |
lumberJ |
hey tenplus1, Krock, twoelk and anyone else paying attention :) |
| 18:25 |
Krock |
hi lumberJ |
| 18:26 |
* tenplus1 |
changes css template to high visibility black and yellow with comic sans 20 |
| 18:26 |
Shara |
Hi lumberJ |
| 18:26 |
Mr-Pardison |
oh gawd... not comic sans. |
| 18:26 |
twoelk |
it has it's uses - like annoying people |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
awards has this: |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
optional_depends = intllib, sfinv, unified_inventory, default, stairs, farming, dye, beds, wool, vessels, moreblocks, fire |
| 18:26 |
lumberJ |
Hi Shara |
| 18:27 |
twoelk |
rubenwardy: does order matter? |
| 18:27 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 18:27 |
rubenwardy |
it's a set, just like depends.txt |
| 18:27 |
rubenwardy |
so the order will change |
| 18:27 |
rubenwardy |
and then dependency resolution will happen anyway |
| 18:30 |
Krock |
Mr-Pardison, yeah. it's an awful font. Luckily there's a Comic Papyrus font: https://befonts.com/comic-papyrus-font-finally.html |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
comic sans is the new times new roman |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
or is that arial |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
\o/ |
| 18:31 |
Mr-Pardison |
/o\ |
| 18:32 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 18:40 |
rubenwardy |
what even is this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7178 |
| 18:41 |
tenplus1 |
facebook ? wut ? I wouldnt associate with that if ya paid me |
| 18:41 |
Mr-Pardison |
^ same |
| 18:42 |
Mr-Pardison |
rubenwardy: PO ? |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
no idea |
| 18:43 |
sofar |
haha, he replied again |
| 18:43 |
tenplus1 |
o.O |
| 18:44 |
Krock |
Public O????? |
| 18:49 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, fixed it. probably. maybe not. |
| 18:56 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 18:58 |
Krock |
lol indeed |
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| 19:01 |
tenplus1 |
is there anything else you would like to see in Farming mod ? (for all) |
| 19:03 |
Krock |
lawn mower |
| 19:03 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:04 |
tenplus1 |
can run over mobs with a petrol driven blade :D |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
just kidding. it shouldn't be too overloaded so.. for me it's fine right now |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
shredding the cute kitten :< |
| 19:04 |
tenplus1 |
any other food items you'd like to see ? |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
no idea right now *passes the mic to another volunteer* |
| 19:05 |
tenplus1 |
eheheh |
| 19:06 |
Mr-Pardison |
Krock! |
| 19:06 |
Mr-Pardison |
not the cat! |
| 19:08 |
tenplus1 |
kitty's are hardy things, they bounce around and run away :) |
| 19:08 |
tenplus1 |
although bunny's... shinji placed 100 rabbits in the lucky block arena and I spawned 3 wolves which kinda ate them all :D |
| 19:10 |
Mr-Pardison |
that's horrible. |
| 19:10 |
tenplus1 |
lolol... |
| 19:11 |
Shara |
Ten is secretly a monster :) |
| 19:11 |
tenplus1 |
least we know the runaway_from and specific_attack functions work |
| 19:11 |
Mr-Pardison |
poor rabbits. |
| 19:11 |
twoelk |
doesn't that add too much load on a server? |
| 19:12 |
tenplus1 |
thankfully no :) |
| 19:12 |
tenplus1 |
each mob scans what's around them in range, if it's something to run away from it will,, or something to attack it will :) |
| 19:12 |
tenplus1 |
if nothing is specified in either field then it's ignored |
| 19:14 |
twoelk |
hmm, specific_attack? like robocop wolf scans player and if diamond armor then don't bother; if wood sword then attack? |
| 19:14 |
tenplus1 |
specific_attack holds entity names or "player" for players |
| 19:15 |
tenplus1 |
if nothing then it'll default to players :) |
| 19:15 |
tenplus1 |
or whatever hits mob |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
we do have immune_to table for special weapons/items of attack... certain things mob can be immune to, other things heal mob :) |
| 19:16 |
twoelk |
I imagine robowolf using a lookup table to calculate it's chances and then move in with specific attack pattern :-D |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 19:17 |
tenplus1 |
scary part is using pathfinding level 2... Evil Bonny does this on server and breaks down walls, can navigate mazes and climb up to get to player |
| 19:17 |
twoelk |
wait, if I hit a mob with bandaid it gets healed? |
| 19:18 |
tenplus1 |
e.g. Oerkki can be hit with wooden sword with no damage (as a test), but hit with gold lump and it'll heal it |
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* twoelk |
remembers maikerumine's monsters piling up to reach one |
| 19:19 |
tenplus1 |
the dumb movement controls of mobs can be interesting when they use each other to reach high places or escape :P |
| 19:19 |
tenplus1 |
was thinking of changing it to move towards random set nodes around it |
| 19:19 |
twoelk |
cool, don't hit it with whatever you have at hand , could get worse |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
means you can make very specific mobs that can only be killed with a special item, nothing else will harm it |
| 19:20 |
twoelk |
escaping sheeps that pile up at fences |
| 19:20 |
twoelk |
cool - let's me think of a sword that need special enchantment |
| 19:33 |
tenplus1 |
nite folks :) o// |
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| 20:13 |
Sokomine |
oh yes, the dreaded mob stacking problem. no fence is high enough for sheep! they always escape |
| 20:15 |
Sokomine |
got a strange request in a german channel. does anyone here have problems with enricoo? |
| 20:16 |
Shara |
What kind of problems? |
| 20:17 |
Sokomine |
hard to tell. the message was a bit odd. he's not online now but was indicating that he had trouble with server owners. as most of them are here i thought i might ask |
| 20:17 |
Shara |
I've had a few weird run ins with him before, but that was way back |
| 20:18 |
Shara |
He seemed to be getting tied up with a bunch of "server owners" who only used minetesthosting servers. |
| 20:18 |
Shara |
And who seemed to make a lot of drama everywhere they went. |
| 20:19 |
Sokomine |
ah |
| 20:23 |
rubenwardy |
he's being very irritating on my server |
| 20:28 |
ThomasMonroe |
Shara we have a possible bot again on LoS |
| 20:29 |
Shara |
Want me to come look? |
| 20:29 |
* Shara |
just signs in anyway |
| 20:29 |
Shara |
Could you PM me the name? |
| 20:32 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: i'll try to find out what the actual problem is when he shows up on irc next time |
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rubenwardy |
kk |
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Fixer |
fuck procrastination |
| 21:07 |
Fixer |
so bad |
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