| Time |
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| 00:17 |
Fixer |
*,,,,* |
| 00:26 |
rubenwardy |
added a shit explanation of patterns to https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/chapters/chat.html#complex-subcommands |
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Guest54705 |
I am getting spam posted to my irc channel about Shara, red, and others....anyone know why someone would do that? I haven't been around a lot letely...been working a lot. |
| 01:31 |
rubenwardy |
just ban them |
| 01:31 |
rubenwardy |
and do /umode +R to stop PMs from unregistered users |
| 01:31 |
Shara |
I assume Guest54705 = unk? |
| 01:31 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, they're logged in as them |
| 01:31 |
Guest54705 |
this is unk by the way...sorry about that |
| 01:31 |
Shara |
Fix your name :P |
| 01:31 |
Shara |
And ban them |
| 01:31 |
Shara |
And please send me a copy |
| 01:32 |
Guest54705 |
can't....nickserver won't let me change my nick for a while due to not logging in correctly...should fix in a bit...will cc you the info Shara...hello by the way:) |
| 01:33 |
Guest54705 |
<Guest_6573> Shara, red-001: (1) I told Craig Robbins the truth. I'm the best there's ever been. Where is Craig, these days, BTW? :) (2) Read the pending Sofar document. Attorney is going up Auke Kok's *ssumptions. (3) Tell VanessaE: Arion was sympathetic. As other host was when Red tried it last year. I get copies and I respond in detail. (4) red-001: Kappelin |
| 01:33 |
Guest54705 |
<Guest_6573> wants to be friends. Come and visit his hardware again. (5) Jordach (who is Shara): Why have you broken what you loved best? (6) Tell Andrew: Vanessa will pass away from natural causes, but he and I will have a decade to work things out IRL. http://aukejan.com/ http://minetest.org/ (7) Go to YouTube and listen to "Devil Went Down to Georgia". |
| 01:33 |
Shara |
Don't paste it here please |
| 01:33 |
rubenwardy |
err, pls don't paste it here |
| 01:33 |
Shara |
No need to give him another platform for this |
| 01:33 |
Guest54705 |
sorry rubenwardy ...thought I pm'd it to Shara....sorry |
| 01:33 |
VanessaE |
Guest54705: that's just oldcoder bullshit |
| 01:34 |
VanessaE |
log it and ignore it. |
| 01:34 |
Guest54705 |
ok...I will delete it and ignore it then. |
| 01:34 |
Shara |
Save a log for your records, beyond that don't respond and just ban |
| 01:34 |
VanessaE |
yes, do kee it in your logs. |
| 01:35 |
Guest54705 |
ok...I am sorry for posting it here. |
| 01:35 |
VanessaE |
keep* |
| 01:35 |
VanessaE |
also, |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
set your channel to +r (only reg'd nicks can chat) or +m (need 'voice' to chat) |
| 01:47 |
Guest54705 |
will do VanessaE ....thanks |
| 01:49 |
VanessaE |
and set your /umode to +R (only reg'd users can /msg you) also |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
but maybe first you ought to switch to and register your nick :P |
| 01:51 |
Sokomine |
xerox123: the circular saw in stairsplus is more current. my mod was the original. it was then adapted by calinou and included since then in moreblocks |
| 01:52 |
Sokomine |
xerox123: i'm still working on color support for hardware coloring. it can be down with the saw. trouble is that palette indices need to be translated (shaped nodes can only store 8 colors; full blocks 256). i havn't found a good automatic way for that yet |
| 02:03 |
Guest54705 |
Thanks for the info Sokomine ....will keep a log of the messages as suggested and ignore them going forward. |
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| 12:27 |
red-045 |
so may quits and joins |
| 12:27 |
red-045 |
many* |
| 12:27 |
* red-045 |
can't type today |
| 12:31 |
Calinou |
netsplit |
| 12:31 |
red-001 |
seems to be happening a lot recently |
| 12:33 |
red-001 |
+R is better since it blocks spammers from being able to get a user list |
| 12:33 |
red-001 |
unk, ^ |
| 12:34 |
red-001 |
s/R/r |
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| 14:54 |
benrob0329 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18636&view=unread#unread |
| 14:54 |
benrob0329 |
>proprietary platform for an open source project |
| 14:55 |
xerox123 |
HOMETOWN has a discord server too |
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| 14:57 |
benrob0329 |
I mean, sure most IRC clients aren't very pretty, but there are other platforms than discord for this crap |
| 15:01 |
red-001 |
!title |
| 15:01 |
MinetestBot |
red-001: Unofficial Minetest Discord! - Minetest Forums |
| 15:02 |
red-001 |
benrob0329, are there? |
| 15:02 |
benrob0329 |
red-001: I dont use discord |
| 15:03 |
benrob0329 |
Dont like the reputation of the creator, or their policies |
| 15:03 |
red-001 |
like? |
| 15:04 |
red-001 |
you mean they way they are pretty ok with nazis using thier platform? Or is there more then just that? |
| 15:06 |
benrob0329 |
red-001: creators previous project: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFeint |
| 15:06 |
benrob0329 |
"In 2011, OpenFeint was party to a class action suit with allegations including computer fraud, invasion of privacy, breach of contract, bad faith and seven other statutory violations." |
| 15:10 |
benrob0329 |
But also, on top of a bad reputation https://discordapp.com/terms |
| 15:10 |
benrob0329 |
"By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Content with the Service, you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display Your Content in connection with operating and providing the Service." |
| 15:10 |
benrob0329 |
I just dont feel comfortable using it. |
| 15:11 |
Flitzpiepe |
what about mumble? |
| 15:12 |
benrob0329 |
Mumble is self hosted |
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| 15:19 |
Flitzpiepe |
ah ok |
| 15:32 |
Fixer |
SSD \o/ |
| 15:54 |
celeron55 |
something bad will probably happen to discord at some point; that's what always happens to proprietary things |
| 15:56 |
benrob0329 |
celeron55: agreed |
| 15:56 |
celeron55 |
technically it's kind of impressive altough i don't consider anything fully impressive unless they allow connections from IRC clients, which discord does not do |
| 15:57 |
celeron55 |
even then, something bad would happen to it anyway |
| 15:59 |
celeron55 |
irc networks are independent from each others |
| 15:59 |
celeron55 |
that's enough decentralization no matter how they work |
| 16:00 |
Fuchs |
there is no such thing as global opers, only some networks, like freenode, have network-wide opers. |
| 16:00 |
Fuchs |
(which makes sense) |
| 16:00 |
benrob0329 |
Fuchs: that makes sense |
| 16:01 |
lisac |
#7069 |
| 16:01 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7069 -- [WIP] Add minetest.register_on_moveplayer by lisacvuk |
| 16:01 |
Fuchs |
as with regards to discord: quite a lot of communities slowly turn away from IRC as it is indeed a bit dated, unfortunately the alternatives all either suck, are proprietary or both |
| 16:02 |
benrob0329 |
Fuchs: but IRC continues to become less dated with time |
| 16:02 |
Fuchs |
could be fixed, some communities (e.g. IRCv3 and KDE with Konvi) are trying to fix it, but this will take time, and due to how the protocol is "specified" not everything will be possible |
| 16:02 |
benrob0329 |
IRCv3, IRCCloud |
| 16:02 |
Fuchs |
benrob0329: hard to add some fancy features without breaking compatibility, even harder to have some things (e.g. uploading files) given how IRC works (most networks are volunteer operated, they do not really have the power to serve and trade huge amount of files) |
| 16:03 |
benrob0329 |
Heck KvIRC has had VoIP for a long time |
| 16:03 |
benrob0329 |
Fuchs: file uploads can use another service |
| 16:03 |
Fuchs |
yes, we had a lunch with IRCv3, IRCCloud, Kiwi and other folks at freenode live. Things happen, but they happen slowly. |
| 16:03 |
benrob0329 |
I'd rather them be done right, than done quickly |
| 16:04 |
Fuchs |
agreed, but in the meantime some communities will move off. |
| 16:04 |
benrob0329 |
And they can, I just won't move with them |
| 16:05 |
benrob0329 |
I've used a lot of chat systems, IRC seems to be the only one that just works, and will likely continue to just work |
| 16:05 |
Fuchs |
https://xkcd.com/1782/ |
| 16:07 |
xerox123 |
you can kill a platform but not a protocol |
| 16:07 |
xerox123 |
Id like to think |
| 16:07 |
Fuchs |
well, technically the protocol becomes a bit dead when it is no longer used by anyone, but yes. |
| 16:09 |
xerox123 |
yeah with time everything will eventually go out of use, but those in charge of discord and just flip the metaphorical switch and it's dead. good luck getting everyone to quit IRC |
| 16:09 |
xerox123 |
s/and just/can just/ |
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| 16:27 |
Fixer |
discord looks like is on initial "lure" investment phase, just wait a little ;) |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
<celeron55> something bad will probably happen to discord at some point; that's what always happens to proprietary things |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
this ^ |
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| 16:30 |
Calinou |
people paying for animated avatars and custom emoji will only bring them so far :P |
| 16:32 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: remind me again why people pay for that |
| 16:32 |
Calinou |
it looks l33t to them |
| 16:33 |
* benrob0329 |
thinks that a metadata field could be added for custom emojis, similar to how Avatars are planned |
| 16:33 |
sfan5 |
>avatars on irc |
| 16:33 |
sfan5 |
no thanks |
| 16:34 |
benrob0329 |
sfan5: you dont have to have them |
| 16:34 |
benrob0329 |
But clients that do should have the option |
| 16:35 |
red-001 |
yeah discord seems to be trying to milk investors right now |
| 16:35 |
sfan5 |
also there's lots of command line / text-only IRC clients, so features like these would just not work at all for lots of people |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
to be fair, most people wish there was offline messaging on IRC above anything else |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
(without using a bouncer) |
| 16:35 |
benrob0329 |
sfan5: its an optional feature, everyone knows there are terminal clients |
| 16:36 |
sfan5 |
I guess people that use text-only clients would not want those anyway |
| 16:36 |
red-001 |
one day someone will write a good terminal emulator that can handle copy and pasting |
| 16:36 |
red-001 |
one day |
| 16:36 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: my IRC server has optional channel history :P |
| 16:36 |
sfan5 |
yours can't handle copy-paste? |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
it's usually Ctrl+Shift+C |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
(and Ctrl+Shift+V or Shift+Insert) |
| 16:38 |
red-001 |
ah that worked, too bad it wasn't documented anywhere |
| 16:39 |
benrob0329 |
red-001: its a standard shortcut |
| 16:40 |
red-001 |
wouldn't hurt anyone to also document it in the standard way in the context menu |
| 16:43 |
benrob0329 |
Most terminals do afaik |
| 16:44 |
red-001 |
not the xfce4 one it seems |
| 16:50 |
red-001 |
oh I guess I was too harsh on it, it does document it, just in a different menu that I never bothered to check or forgot about |
| 16:55 |
Megaf |
[16:05:15] <benrob0329> I've used a lot of chat systems, IRC seems to be the only one that just works, and will likely continue to just work |
| 16:55 |
Megaf |
agreed |
| 16:55 |
xerox123 |
hexchat has a highlight-to-copy feature |
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| 18:24 |
IhrFussel |
I find it *highly* questionable to run a server and say "I have no time to moderate it and there are no moderators, so players will have to help each other" |
| 18:25 |
IhrFussel |
Sure...let's help the player who's griefing by...griefing back? |
| 18:25 |
IhrFussel |
who's being griefed* |
| 18:27 |
IhrFussel |
Also the server thread states that a "script" will automatically "check" what players did once per day and "decide" whether or not to punish them |
| 18:28 |
IhrFussel |
Computers are not smart enough (yet) to have a real brain, don't trust your scripts with something like that |
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IhrFussel |
I would never play on a server where a auto-script decides what my behavior is like |
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paramat |
well :) servers can be how they want to be, and have incompetant script moderation if they want, no player is forced to join |
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| 18:58 |
benrob0329 |
>auto moderation |
| 18:58 |
benrob0329 |
Its Twitter and YouTube, oh no |
| 18:58 |
Krock |
>not checking logs |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, that's one of the reasons why serious players have to chose their servers carefully |
| 19:01 |
Krock |
my all-time favourite (sarcasm alert) is a mod that acts like a bot, kicking players for bad words instead of muting the messages or getting triggered by "shit" or "damn it" to respond the player with a long useless line about how rude they are |
| 19:04 |
benrob0329 |
New mod idea: intelligence |
| 19:05 |
benrob0329 |
The more you swear, the lower your IQ points :^) |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
oh shit. I wouldn't survive that |
| 19:06 |
benrob0329 |
Lol |
| 19:06 |
benrob0329 |
IQ: -20 |
| 19:06 |
Krock |
and raise the IQ points by using "delicate", "decent", "extraordinary" etc |
| 19:06 |
benrob0329 |
Big words |
| 19:06 |
Krock |
supercalifragilisticexpialigetic |
| 19:06 |
Krock |
IQ += 200 |
| 19:07 |
Wayward_One |
and calling people "sir" and "madam" |
| 19:07 |
Wayward_One |
hi all btw :P |
| 19:07 |
Krock |
hello sir |
| 19:07 |
benrob0329 |
Hello madam |
| 19:08 |
Wayward_One |
xD |
| 19:08 |
Krock |
Wayward_One, believe it or not. My favourite twitch streamer uses "sir" when thanking for the subscriptions |
| 19:08 |
Krock |
.. or when he gets money from them |
| 19:09 |
Wayward_One |
lol nice |
| 19:09 |
Megaf |
[19:07:05] <Wayward_One> and calling people "sir" and "madam" |
| 19:09 |
* Megaf |
likes that idea |
| 19:10 |
Megaf |
Greetings gentlemen |
| 19:10 |
Megaf |
I could tart that trend here, shall we? |
| 19:10 |
Megaf |
we* |
| 19:10 |
Megaf |
We could be the politest FOSS community on the web |
| 19:12 |
benrob0329 |
Indeed, good sir |
| 19:13 |
Megaf |
I would like you to know, that I have started a clean up in my humble server. Removing mods that I no longer consider relevant. |
| 19:13 |
benrob0329 |
We shall climb out of our barbaric roots of foul word and into a new light of politeness. |
| 19:13 |
benrob0329 |
*words |
| 19:13 |
Megaf |
I could not agree more gentleman |
| 19:14 |
benrob0329 |
Exquisite |
| 19:14 |
Megaf |
Now, if you allow me, I shall leave for a couple of minutes. It is time for me to apreciate some cooking. |
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| 19:36 |
rubenwardy |
just banned 7 players for spamming / swearing |
| 19:36 |
rubenwardy |
fun fu |
| 19:36 |
rubenwardy |
:/ |
| 19:48 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: I just made myself some absolutely brilliant fries, topped with Irish Vintage Mature Cheddar Cheese |
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| 19:58 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: "fun fu" → "fun f*** you?" :D |
| 20:04 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: That sound brilliantly splendid |
| 20:06 |
Fixer |
*,,,,* |
| 20:35 |
rubenwardy |
fun fact: CTF generates around 4KBps of logs |
| 20:36 |
Megaf |
No wonder with so many broken ilegal mobile clients connected to it |
| 20:36 |
Megaf |
Check mate sir |
| 20:36 |
rubenwardy |
ah, now it's 4KBps |
| 20:36 |
rubenwardy |
that's 172MB per day |
| 20:36 |
rubenwardy |
* now it's 2KBps |
| 20:50 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: better have some log rotation |
| 20:50 |
rubenwardy |
just cleared the logs |
| 20:50 |
rubenwardy |
it was 5GB |
| 20:54 |
Fixer |
*,,,,,* |
| 20:54 |
sfan5 |
well |
| 20:54 |
sfan5 |
the serverlist nginx logs were 50GB before I manually rotated them |
| 20:55 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 20:55 |
rubenwardy |
why don't you have auto rotation on? |
| 20:55 |
sfan5 |
my nginx install isn't from the distro package, so it's not built in |
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| 21:20 |
Grandolf |
hi |
| 21:20 |
Grandolf |
how to do i increase the max number of registered nodes? |
| 21:20 |
sfan5 |
you don't |
| 21:21 |
IhrFussel |
It's crazy how much traffic MT can cause... 1.2 TB this month for me |
| 21:21 |
IhrFussel |
Up to 3 GB per 30 minutes |
| 21:30 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: are you using sofar's CDN? |
| 21:31 |
IhrFussel |
Nope, cause most mods I use are custom ones of the "real" ones |
| 21:32 |
red-001 |
are you using an external media server at all? |
| 21:47 |
Fixer |
firefox <57 on SSD literally loads for 10+ seconds, insane |
| 21:49 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, nope |
| 21:50 |
IhrFussel |
But 1 TB is still fine...I think the hoster will limit my bandwith after 20 TB |
| 21:56 |
lisac |
Fixer: having a pretty budget PC, I'm not sure if you are saying it's fast, or it's slow |
| 21:57 |
Fixer |
lisac: firefox is slow AF, with my 5000+ bookmarks, scrapbook, addons, 57 one loads faster |
| 21:57 |
lisac |
Fixer: I store my bookmarks in a text file :O |
| 21:57 |
lisac |
nah, I switched to bookmarks a month or so ago |
| 21:57 |
lisac |
got only Ublock Origin installed |
| 21:58 |
Fixer |
my bookmarks as old as 14+ years |
| 21:58 |
lisac |
IhrFussel: is that on your website (http://ihrfussels-server.tk/humancheck.php) a captcha? |
| 21:59 |
lisac |
Fixer: that is almost older than me |
| 21:59 |
Fixer |
.________. |
| 21:59 |
lisac |
:P |
| 21:59 |
lisac |
almost. |
| 22:00 |
IhrFussel |
Just a way to exclude most bots, but since the ingame chat is only displayed to those who are logged in now I could remove the check |
| 22:02 |
rubenwardy |
that's a pretty shit captcha |
| 22:02 |
lisac |
rubenwardy: my opinion too |
| 22:02 |
lisac |
I mean, it's machine readable |
| 22:02 |
rubenwardy |
exactly |
| 22:02 |
rubenwardy |
you also have invalid HTML |
| 22:03 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 22:03 |
rubenwardy |
looks a bit over engineered |
| 22:03 |
lisac |
(at least the password isn't stored in the cookies) |
| 22:04 |
IhrFussel |
Most bots don't understand JS so that's why I chose that to generate a random number |
| 22:05 |
rubenwardy |
well, you have the same level of protection as asking a fixed question |
| 22:05 |
rubenwardy |
a competent programmer could write a bot to get past it |
| 22:05 |
rubenwardy |
but random bots won't be able to |
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IhrFussel |
Like I said I don't really need it anymore...all the bots who visit it can see is the online info |
| 22:05 |
lisac |
I think you could even do it in autohotkey |
| 22:06 |
IhrFussel |
bots that visit it* |
| 22:06 |
rubenwardy |
you don't even need JS |
| 22:06 |
rubenwardy |
do 3000/speed - 1 |
| 22:06 |
rubenwardy |
where speed can be found by reading the raw HTML |
| 22:08 |
Fixer |
and this again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJzO2bgoZQ |
| 22:09 |
IhrFussel |
Removed |
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| 22:21 |
red-045 |
oh yeah I was going to point that out to you |
| 22:22 |
red-045 |
IhrFussel: why don't you use the domain name for the server list? |
| 22:23 |
sofar |
IhrFussel: even with custom mods, using the public remote media server will help your server and players a lot |
| 22:24 |
sofar |
unless you've literally reskinned every texture in your game and have zero unmodified ones, you're better off |
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IhrFussel |
red-045, cause the domain is just a .tk one... I have to renew it every month and in case I forget I still want my players to be able to connect |
| 22:32 |
red-045 |
well I suppose those are the joys of having something for free |
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rubenwardy |
ew .tk |
| 22:33 |
rubenwardy |
you spend loads on a VPS |
| 22:33 |
rubenwardy |
or w/e |
| 22:33 |
rubenwardy |
domains are cheap |
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red-045 |
yeah why not get a paid domain name, makes life easier if you ever want to move providers |
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Fixer |
thinking on how to merge two partitions into one by finding extra 200gb of space http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/292/906/c4a.gif |
| 22:44 |
Calinou |
you could get a free subdomain from https://nsupdate.info/ |
| 22:45 |
Calinou |
so that you don't have a .tk |
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* rubenwardy |
installs #6219 on his private server |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6219 -- Server side movement by bendeutsch |
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