| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
paramat |
rubenwardy please could you merge the 3 'offtopic' threads into one and rename it so that users are not confused? |
| 00:00 |
rubenwardy |
I can't |
| 00:00 |
paramat |
oh of course |
| 00:00 |
paramat |
i'll ask c55 |
| 00:07 |
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| 00:13 |
ThomasMonroe |
Happy Thanksgiving all!! |
| 00:33 |
Megaf |
Happy thanks giving ThomasMonroe |
| 00:33 |
Megaf |
but that was yesterday for me |
| 00:33 |
ThomasMonroe |
hey Megaf |
| 00:33 |
ThomasMonroe |
oh lol |
| 00:33 |
Megaf |
Hi brother :) |
| 00:34 |
Megaf |
[00:13:36] <ThomasMonroe> Happy Thanksgiving all!! |
| 00:34 |
rubenwardy |
how big is thanksgiving? Compared to christmas dinners |
| 00:34 |
Megaf |
13 min late |
| 00:35 |
ThomasMonroe |
hmm good question rubenwardy, I'd say just a littls bit bigger at my house |
| 00:36 |
Megaf |
2017-11-23 19:35:52: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "HUD_ENABLE_HUNGER" accessed at ...inMegafServer/bin/../mods/hud_hunger/hud/builtin.lua:41 |
| 00:36 |
Megaf |
weird |
| 00:36 |
Megaf |
I have hunger = false in world.mt |
| 00:36 |
Shara |
I want to celebrate thanksgiving just because. |
| 00:36 |
Megaf |
why is that error happening? |
| 00:36 |
rubenwardy |
another excuse to have a roast dinner is good |
| 00:36 |
ThomasMonroe |
Caleb could help you, he's looked at that code alot |
| 00:36 |
rubenwardy |
I think that's what thanks giving is |
| 00:36 |
Shara |
Exactly :D |
| 00:36 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol I wouldnt be surprised rubenwardy |
| 00:37 |
ThomasMonroe |
just because Thanksgiving is an "American" holiday doesn't mean you can't set a day aside to be thankful for what God has given you |
| 00:38 |
rubenwardy |
well, it's literally a USA holiday due to the beginnings, right? |
| 00:38 |
ThomasMonroe |
technically |
| 00:38 |
* rubenwardy |
is an athiest, anyway |
| 00:38 |
ThomasMonroe |
dude, you have waay more Faith that I do |
| 00:38 |
ThomasMonroe |
than* |
| 00:39 |
Shara |
Can still just be thankful in general :P |
| 00:39 |
ThomasMonroe |
touche SHara |
| 00:39 |
rubenwardy |
true |
| 00:41 |
Megaf |
need some help testing. mt.megaf.info 30003 |
| 00:41 |
Megaf |
checking stability and stuff |
| 00:41 |
ThomasMonroe |
ok |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
<ACTION> 2017-11-23 19:42:44: [Server] Megaf joins game. List of players: Megaf |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
]Killed |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
Well |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
it seems like minetestserver is more memory hungry than ever |
| 00:44 |
ThomasMonroe |
hnmm thats why it timed out for me |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
I used to run this on 256 MB of ram back in the day |
| 00:45 |
Megaf |
ThomasMonroe, try again please |
| 00:46 |
ThomasMonroe |
ok |
| 00:46 |
Megaf |
ThomasMonroe, nevermind |
| 00:46 |
Megaf |
minetestserver is eating 1 GB of RAM in less than two minutes |
| 00:47 |
Shara |
I couldn't connect from stable client. Error message. Are you running current dev? |
| 00:47 |
ThomasMonroe |
oh ok i gtg afk for about 15-20 anyways |
| 00:47 |
Megaf |
Shara, I can't keep the server on long enough for me to connect |
| 00:47 |
Megaf |
it east all ram |
| 00:47 |
Shara |
Weird |
| 00:47 |
rubenwardy |
how much RAM do you have? |
| 00:47 |
Shara |
ANy idea what's doing it? |
| 00:47 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, 1 GB |
| 00:47 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 00:47 |
Megaf |
Shara, yep, bad quality control |
| 00:48 |
shivajiva |
sfan5: works now, thanks :) |
| 00:48 |
rubenwardy |
that's quite low, I'd decrease the block load range and cache size |
| 00:48 |
Megaf |
again, back in the day, same set of mods, but Minetest 0.4.14 I could run it in 256 MB of RAM |
| 00:48 |
rubenwardy |
we don't optimise for 1GB of RAM |
| 00:48 |
Shara |
The lowest RAM I ever ran a server from was 4GB |
| 00:48 |
Megaf |
actually with more RAM than I have today |
| 00:48 |
Megaf |
I mean |
| 00:48 |
Megaf |
more mods |
| 00:48 |
rubenwardy |
if reducing the block loaded limit doesn't help, then there may be a bug |
| 00:49 |
Megaf |
there's always a bug |
| 00:49 |
Megaf |
but let me check my config first |
| 00:49 |
rubenwardy |
true |
| 00:49 |
Shara |
I have 8GB RAM now, but rarely see memory usage for MT over 20% |
| 00:49 |
Megaf |
active_object_send_range_blocks = 1 |
| 00:49 |
Megaf |
active_block_range = 1 |
| 00:49 |
Megaf |
max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client = 4 |
| 00:49 |
Megaf |
server_unload_unused_data_timeout = 10 |
| 00:49 |
Megaf |
max_objects_per_block = 16 |
| 00:50 |
Megaf |
with those settings it shouldnt use much ram at all |
| 00:50 |
rubenwardy |
oh interesting, there's only client_block_limit |
| 00:50 |
rubenwardy |
* client_mapblock_limit |
| 00:50 |
rubenwardy |
valgrind may be able to help with seeing where the memory all is |
| 00:51 |
Megaf |
I wonder if any dev actually ever test their work |
| 00:51 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 00:51 |
Megaf |
on a real world thing, with mods and stuff |
| 00:52 |
rubenwardy |
it would be good to have better QA |
| 00:52 |
Shara |
How to get it better? |
| 00:52 |
rubenwardy |
more unit tests |
| 00:52 |
Megaf |
Mem: 1024 1016 0 0 7 0 |
| 00:52 |
Megaf |
Swap: 2048 306 1741 |
| 00:52 |
rubenwardy |
more testers |
| 00:53 |
Shara |
If compiling without switching system wasn't hell, I'd probably test more things :) |
| 00:53 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 00:53 |
rubenwardy |
VM? |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
I love when VanessaE just decided to change everything on homedecor, again and again and again |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
every single homedecor update things break |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-11-23 19:53:07: [Server] Item "homedecor:ceiling_lantern" not defined at position (54,7,-11) |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-11-23 19:53:09: [Server] Item "homedecor:fence_wrought_iron" not defined at position (54,6,-12) |
| 00:53 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest works in a VM quite well as long as you don't use guestadditions mouse |
| 00:53 |
Shara |
Actually planning on trying to set something up once current looming deadlines are swatted down |
| 00:54 |
rubenwardy |
we need to clone Fixer |
| 00:54 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-11-23 19:54:02: [Server] Item "poisonivy:sproutling" not defined at position (47,6,-15) |
| 00:54 |
Megaf |
<ERROR> 2017-11-23 19:54:04: [Server] Item "poisonivy:sproutling" not defined at position (54,5,-18) |
| 00:54 |
Megaf |
same for plantlife/moretrees stuff |
| 00:54 |
rubenwardy |
also, petition to rename Fixer to Tester |
| 00:54 |
Shara |
I want to be able to test both Linux and Wndows side by side... because I am fairly sure I have found a couple of OS specific bugs |
| 00:54 |
rubenwardy |
:) |
| 00:54 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, you tehre? |
| 00:55 |
rubenwardy |
some googling couldn't find any memory breakdown tools |
| 00:55 |
rubenwardy |
there was a guide for XP |
| 00:55 |
rubenwardy |
I'll keep looking, I probably just suck at googline |
| 00:55 |
* Shara |
has found a really weird bug that seems to be windows only... |
| 00:56 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, somehow memory use dropped from 1+ GB to <200MB after a couple of minutes |
| 00:56 |
Megaf |
Mem: 1024 182 808 0 32 824 |
| 00:56 |
Megaf |
Swap: 2048 50 1997 |
| 00:56 |
rubenwardy |
huh |
| 00:56 |
rubenwardy |
that's odd |
| 00:56 |
Megaf |
you are the dev... |
| 00:56 |
rubenwardy |
were you online when it dropped? |
| 00:57 |
Megaf |
yes sir |
| 00:57 |
Megaf |
Shara, join please |
| 00:57 |
Megaf |
? |
| 00:57 |
Megaf |
expect all VanessaE mods to be broken tho |
| 00:58 |
* Shara |
tries |
| 00:58 |
* Shara |
timed out |
| 00:58 |
Megaf |
[pipeworks] pipeworks:refund_node_breaker_pick entry, nodename=pipeworks:nodebreaker_off |
| 00:58 |
Megaf |
pipeworks broken too |
| 00:59 |
Megaf |
Mem: 1024 81 927 0 15 928 |
| 00:59 |
Megaf |
Swap: 2048 154 1893 |
| 00:59 |
Megaf |
RAM use dropping more |
| 00:59 |
Megaf |
going to swa |
| 00:59 |
Megaf |
Shara, again |
| 00:59 |
Shara |
On media this time |
| 01:01 |
Megaf |
so basically server is getting ultra laggy when people join |
| 01:01 |
Megaf |
I dont know if is worth trying to fix this server or just drop the world and start from scratch |
| 01:02 |
Megaf |
Shara, 1060 KB auth.txt |
| 01:06 |
Megaf |
Mem: 1024 110 878 0 34 896 |
| 01:06 |
Megaf |
Swap: 2048 188 1859 |
| 01:06 |
Megaf |
memory use under cotnrol |
| 01:06 |
Megaf |
see? |
| 01:06 |
Megaf |
My server runs well with 256 MB |
| 01:06 |
Megaf |
I spent months optimizng this thing |
| 01:08 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, I have bones = keep |
| 01:08 |
Megaf |
yet when I died I lost my inventory |
| 01:08 |
Megaf |
in a box of bones |
| 01:08 |
Megaf |
I have important admin tools |
| 01:08 |
Megaf |
this is extremely dengerous |
| 01:09 |
rubenwardy |
important admin tools should use the system in place for that |
| 01:09 |
rubenwardy |
...privileges |
| 01:10 |
Shara |
I made my admin tools so that even if someone picks them up, on first attempted use they turn into something else |
| 01:10 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, not the point |
| 01:11 |
Megaf |
why do devs are so quick in deviating the point and blaming something else? |
| 01:11 |
Megaf |
I say, message doesnt say mod name, they say, you are doing it wrong, use --info |
| 01:11 |
Megaf |
I say, bones = keep is not working |
| 01:11 |
Megaf |
they say. Set privs for admin tool |
| 01:11 |
Megaf |
common |
| 01:12 |
Shara |
Megaf: privs for tool use is a good approach in general |
| 01:12 |
Megaf |
I'm not saying it is or it isnt, I'm saying not the point now |
| 01:14 |
Megaf |
now |
| 01:14 |
Megaf |
hold on |
| 01:14 |
Megaf |
I think it was my faiult |
| 01:14 |
Megaf |
the bones thing :) |
| 01:14 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, sorry :P |
| 01:15 |
Megaf |
Shara, bones was my fault |
| 01:15 |
Shara |
:) |
| 01:15 |
Megaf |
the high memory use on start up is an interesting issue tho |
| 01:16 |
Megaf |
look, just restarted the server |
| 01:16 |
Megaf |
Mem: 1024 1016 0 0 7 0 |
| 01:16 |
Megaf |
Swap: 2048 296 1751 |
| 01:16 |
Megaf |
Mem: 1024 1016 0 0 6 0 |
| 01:16 |
Megaf |
Swap: 2048 693 1354 |
| 01:16 |
Megaf |
keeps climbing |
| 01:17 |
Megaf |
then suddenly |
| 01:17 |
Megaf |
Mem: 1024 116 893 0 13 893 |
| 01:17 |
Megaf |
Swap: 2048 54 1993 |
| 01:17 |
Megaf |
I wonder if my compiling flags could cause that |
| 01:18 |
Megaf |
well, good ngiht |
| 01:19 |
Megaf |
and VanessaE, your mods are just brilliant. I love them and I am a big fan of your work. But you have to settle down on your mods structure. Please stop changing that. |
| 01:21 |
Megaf |
Night folks. and well done so far in the backport-0.4. Just this spike of memory in the first start up should be investigated. I will have time for that in the weekend, |
| 01:24 |
rubenwardy |
!tell Megaf didn't see that you set a setting |
| 01:24 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: O.K. |
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| 01:50 |
Sokomine |
hi |
| 01:50 |
Shara |
Hi Sokomine |
| 02:51 |
benrob0329 |
paramat: the issue is starting to get ridiculous |
| 02:52 |
benrob0329 |
It was supposed to be a helpful discussion, not an argument on the lore of Minecraft |
| 02:53 |
paramat |
it is =) |
| 02:53 |
ThomasMonroe |
lool |
| 02:53 |
paramat |
best i stop posting there =) |
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| 03:12 |
paramat |
c1ffisme irritates me and has done for years =} |
| 05:41 |
FourFire |
Hello, I'm doingm y first mod, and my nodes spawn fine, but crash with this error when the drops are supposed to happen: |
| 05:43 |
FourFire |
AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod 'nano' in callback node _on_dig ...minetest\bin\..\builtin\game\item.lua:197: bad |
| 05:45 |
FourFire |
Here is my code: https://hastebin.com/ovunulupaj.js |
| 05:45 |
FourFire |
Yes I am using MC2plus |
| 05:57 |
benrob0329 |
FourFire: having part of an error message isnt much help |
| 05:58 |
benrob0329 |
Could you pastebin the whole error? |
| 06:22 |
FourFire |
benrob0329, https://hastebin.com/zufagobabe.tex |
| 06:48 |
benrob0329 |
FourFire: remove the commented out line, and compress the table onto one line |
| 06:48 |
benrob0329 |
For the drops |
| 06:49 |
FourFire |
"drop = {items = {"nano:nano_clump"}, }" |
| 06:49 |
FourFire |
I'll try that |
| 06:49 |
benrob0329 |
FourFire: Remove the extra comma |
| 06:49 |
benrob0329 |
Just }} at the end |
| 06:50 |
FourFire |
Okay |
| 06:50 |
benrob0329 |
(The cleaner the code, the less likely errors will happen) |
| 06:50 |
FourFire |
I understand, Just don't know the syntax |
| 06:51 |
benrob0329 |
I believe end commas are optional, its either they or dont have them on the last object at all |
| 06:56 |
FourFire |
benrob0329, where can I find an up to date list of default nodes? |
| 06:57 |
benrob0329 |
FourFire: in the default mod, nodes.lua |
| 07:13 |
FourFire |
benrob0329, same problem |
| 07:13 |
FourFire |
https://hastebin.com/mivowayala.tex |
| 07:14 |
FourFire |
Code: https://hastebin.com/iwigilulis.coffeescript |
| 07:17 |
FourFire |
Yay if I don't dig the node, the Node events still work |
| 07:17 |
FourFire |
Now I just need to make conditions |
| 07:18 |
benrob0329 |
FourFire: change drops to drop and make it a string |
| 07:19 |
benrob0329 |
drop = "mymod:diamond_fragments" |
| 07:19 |
FourFire |
drop = "nano:nano_clump" |
| 07:19 |
FourFire |
okay |
| 07:19 |
benrob0329 |
Yes |
| 07:20 |
benrob0329 |
Too that from rubenwardy's modding book |
| 07:20 |
benrob0329 |
So it should work |
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| 07:22 |
FourFire |
It doesn't crash now, but not item drops either |
| 07:25 |
benrob0329 |
FourFire: you'll have to ask someone else. Its like 2:30 in the morning and I dont have the MT api memorised |
| 07:25 |
FourFire |
Thanks for your help! |
| 07:25 |
benrob0329 |
Sorry, but hey it doesnt crash now :P |
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FourFire |
With an ABM which is conditional on a specific adjacent node, How do I detect/grab the position of that node? |
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| 09:41 |
RoaryTiger |
Good morning everyone! |
| 09:41 |
RoaryTiger |
Just finished my Java test. I think I didnt go too bad. Waiting for the results. |
| 09:42 |
rubenwardy |
<3 Kotlin |
| 09:43 |
rubenwardy |
I feel like I should just script my account to reply "<3 Kotlin" everytime Java is mentioned |
| 09:44 |
RoaryTiger |
Why tho |
| 09:45 |
rubenwardy |
Because it's almost my favourite language (or will be when Kotlin/Native is stable) |
| 09:46 |
rubenwardy |
Kotlin/JVM is what Java should have been |
| 09:46 |
rubenwardy |
not that you have much choice in a test |
| 09:46 |
rubenwardy |
or at school/college |
| 09:50 |
RoaryTiger |
Alright |
| 09:52 |
FourFire |
Hey can anyone help me with ABMs? |
| 09:52 |
RoaryTiger |
rubenwardy, ^ |
| 09:53 |
Megaf |
FourFire, You will help yourself a lot if you just ask your question |
| 09:53 |
Megaf |
anyone reading who can help will help |
| 09:53 |
FourFire |
My ABM is conditional on adjacent node of a certain type. I'm trying to replace the node which activates the ABM with my modblock |
| 09:54 |
FourFire |
I've looked through your tutorial rubenwardy, and it doesn't tell me what I need |
| 09:54 |
rubenwardy |
you'll have to search the neighbours |
| 09:54 |
FourFire |
I have implemented your ABM, and it does work with my mod block. |
| 09:54 |
rubenwardy |
theres a minetest.find_node_in_area for that |
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| 09:55 |
FourFire |
Neat. |
| 09:56 |
Megaf |
Shara, rubenwardy, can you please add Lukc to the voice list? |
| 09:56 |
FourFire |
I'll work on that, meanwhile can you tell me how ABMs can have multiple conditions to activate? |
| 09:56 |
rubenwardy |
Hi Lukc |
| 09:56 |
Lukc |
_o/ |
| 09:56 |
Megaf |
Lukc is a Minetest veteran too :P |
| 09:56 |
FourFire |
How does that look in code? |
| 09:56 |
rubenwardy |
was about to ask that |
| 10:28 |
FourFire |
rubenwardy, What is the correct use of that function, this is my code: https://hastebin.com/bewoniquwo.lua |
| 10:29 |
rubenwardy |
it returns a list of position |
| 10:29 |
rubenwardy |
so you want to loop through and set them |
| 10:29 |
rubenwardy |
or only set the first |
| 10:30 |
rubenwardy |
depends how you want to deal with there being more than one such neighbout |
| 10:30 |
rubenwardy |
depends how you want to deal with there being more than one such neighbour |
| 10:30 |
FourFire |
Yes, only the firsmt the script will run again and get the next one later if there's multiple |
| 10:30 |
rubenwardy |
so coal_xyz[1] instead of {coal_xyz} |
| 10:30 |
FourFire |
how do I set the first position only, pass it onto the minetest.set_node function? |
| 10:31 |
FourFire |
Ah that makes sense |
| 10:31 |
FourFire |
it works! |
| 10:31 |
FourFire |
But crashes too, lol |
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| 10:45 |
FourFire |
rubenwardy, I changed my references and tried it on the MT base subgame it's much more stable and works. How do I make an ABM have multiple conditions? |
| 10:46 |
FourFire |
I have an integer Energy_stored I want it to be > 0 before my block is allowed to copy itself |
| 11:23 |
rubenwardy |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=301254#p301254 |
| 11:23 |
rubenwardy |
there's joke about this, but I feel like it's a bit inappropriate for the forums |
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FourFire |
rubenwardy, something about gay powers? |
| 11:35 |
FourFire |
There's a joke in there somewhere |
| 11:35 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 11:36 |
rubenwardy |
I was going to comment on fitting large things (Minetest) in tight environments (RPi) |
| 11:36 |
FourFire |
My mod seems to crash when i use "print(variable)" inside ABMs |
| 11:36 |
rubenwardy |
oh dear |
| 11:36 |
rubenwardy |
try print(dump(variable)) |
| 11:36 |
FourFire |
ok |
| 11:36 |
rubenwardy |
dump converts anything to a string, no matter the type |
| 11:37 |
rubenwardy |
print only supports things that are immediately convertable to a string, so not tables or nil |
| 11:37 |
FourFire |
hmm it should be an interger |
| 11:38 |
FourFire |
Should I specify "local float var" when i declare it? |
| 11:38 |
rubenwardy |
no, lua doesn't have types |
| 11:38 |
rubenwardy |
well |
| 11:38 |
rubenwardy |
explicit types |
| 11:38 |
FourFire |
Ok |
| 11:38 |
rubenwardy |
so just local var |
| 11:38 |
FourFire |
what are the differences between local and global? |
| 11:38 |
rubenwardy |
global is accessible anywhere |
| 11:38 |
rubenwardy |
and so could be overwritten by other mods |
| 11:39 |
rubenwardy |
and is a memory leak if you never use it again |
| 11:39 |
FourFire |
if I declare a local inside an ABM, will it be accessible to anything within my script, or just things inside that ABM? |
| 11:39 |
rubenwardy |
the local is only usable in the scope it's defined. So in a function, it'll only be accessible inside that function and any functions declared in that function |
| 11:40 |
rubenwardy |
you can put a local in a file |
| 11:40 |
rubenwardy |
in which case it's accessible by the whole file |
| 11:40 |
FourFire |
Ok, I'll just declare everything at the start then |
| 11:40 |
rubenwardy |
"New 5 star rating for Minetest: This game is like Minecraft" |
| 11:40 |
FourFire |
hmm how do I store data that isn't node specific? |
| 11:41 |
FourFire |
I understand that nodes can store metadata, but let's say I have my energy integer which is supposed to be valid for a whole group of nodes, not just one in particular |
| 11:42 |
FourFire |
How do I store that upon world save? |
| 11:43 |
Krock |
don't. delay it to spread the load |
| 11:44 |
FourFire |
what? |
| 11:45 |
Krock |
when the world is saved, i.e. all `server_map_save_interval` seconds, the disk will be busy, causing lag. best is to delay that by a second or two |
| 11:45 |
Megaf |
So I lost my mouse somewhere, inside my backpack |
| 11:46 |
FourFire |
Ok that's fine, but how do I actually do it, in Lua? |
| 11:46 |
FourFire |
how do I save a value that isn't assigned to a specific node? |
| 11:47 |
Krock |
local interval = tonumber(minetest.settings:get("server_map_save_interval")) minetest.after(interval + 2, my_function) |
| 11:47 |
rubenwardy |
mod_storage |
| 11:47 |
Krock |
my_function will be called without any arguments after interval + 2 seconds after the world has started |
| 11:47 |
Krock |
yeah, there's also mod_storage which allows you to save it any time |
| 11:48 |
rubenwardy |
local storage = minetest.get_mod_storage() -- in iniit.lua, not in a function |
| 11:48 |
rubenwardy |
then later on storage:set_string("key", "value") |
| 11:48 |
rubenwardy |
and storage:get_string() |
| 11:48 |
rubenwardy |
and storage:get_string("key") |
| 11:49 |
rubenwardy |
is related to the world |
| 11:49 |
rubenwardy |
not to a particular player or node |
| 11:49 |
rubenwardy |
and you don't need to worry about map_save_interval |
| 11:49 |
rubenwardy |
oh, and mod storage is more private, so you don't need to worry about conflicts with other mod |
| 11:49 |
rubenwardy |
+s |
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| 12:24 |
Megaf |
Guys, I just realized Irrlicht ships with libjpeg and libpng |
| 12:24 |
Megaf |
And they are compiled when we build Irrlicht |
| 12:25 |
Megaf |
Can I just use libpng and libjpeg from Irrlicht instead of having to install from repos? |
| 12:25 |
Krock |
I think so but they might be somewhat outdated |
| 12:26 |
Megaf |
I'm not sure those are the source codes for libpng and libjpeg tho |
| 12:26 |
sfan5 |
you don't have to link to libjpeg & libpng separately if your irrlicht build includes this |
| 12:27 |
sfan5 |
i know the CMake configuration requires it but you don't need to |
| 12:27 |
Megaf |
Irrlicht/source/Irrlicht/jpeglib/ and Irrlicht/source/Irrlicht/libpng/ |
| 12:27 |
Megaf |
sfan5, oh, that's interesting |
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| 12:28 |
Megaf |
And it makes sense |
| 12:29 |
Megaf |
How to I overwrite the variable that says libpng os REQUIRED in cmake? |
| 12:29 |
Megaf |
just varname=value cmake ? |
| 12:29 |
Krock |
comment it out |
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RoaryTiger |
[12:29:43] <Krock> comment it out |
| 12:32 |
RoaryTiger |
[12:30:18] <Megaf> Often when I edit code in cmake will flag the build as -dirty |
| 12:32 |
sfan5 |
that's a feature |
| 12:33 |
Megaf |
I wonder if editing CMakeList will cause a -dirty flag to be set |
| 12:33 |
Megaf |
and can't we use the dirty flag as a detection for hacked CSM clients? |
| 12:34 |
Krock |
even my regular development builds seem to be dirty.. who cares? |
| 12:35 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: when you suggest something to counter "hacked" clients ask yourself: can the client lie to the server about this? |
| 12:35 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 12:35 |
rubenwardy |
let's not start this again |
| 12:35 |
Megaf |
sfan5, not every "hacker" will "care" about that |
| 12:36 |
sfan5 |
that's a different question and irrelevant |
| 12:36 |
Megaf |
It's just something to make the thing slightly less easy... |
| 12:36 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, too late |
| 12:36 |
Megaf |
It was just a question tho |
| 12:36 |
sfan5 |
if the client can lie about it it's not a security measure, the end. |
| 12:36 |
Fixer |
not this again |
| 12:36 |
Fixer |
sfan5: +1 |
| 12:36 |
* Megaf |
stopped already |
| 12:37 |
Fixer |
the only way is server-side anticheat, end of story |
| 12:37 |
Krock |
or proprietary software |
| 12:37 |
Megaf |
that ^ |
| 12:38 |
Megaf |
but we are not going that way |
| 12:38 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 12:43 |
Megaf |
yep, if you just make irrlicht it will build libpng and libjpeg |
| 12:43 |
Megaf |
that alone could bring some performance improvements, couldnt it? |
| 12:43 |
sfan5 |
not really |
| 12:45 |
Megaf |
I'm trying to understand why would it bring performance improvement I can't see how. |
| 12:45 |
Megaf |
maybe could just make the loading of textures a little faster. I don't know really |
| 12:47 |
Megaf |
battery low, see you later |
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nerzhul |
Krock, proprietary software doesn't mean no cheat, but harder cheat :p |
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Fixer |
yeah |
| 13:40 |
FourFire |
rubenwardy, Okay print(dump(int)) doesn't seem to work ingame |
| 13:40 |
FourFire |
I'm intending to print to the chat |
| 13:41 |
FourFire |
Second, more importantly, how can I add a second condition for the ABM to run? |
| 13:43 |
lisac |
FourFire, print() prints to the terminal |
| 13:43 |
lisac |
try minetest.chat_send_all(dump(int)) if you want it to be sent to all players ingame. |
| 13:47 |
FourFire |
lisac, that doesn't seem to work... |
| 13:49 |
FourFire |
Ah now it works, thanks lisac |
| 13:53 |
FourFire |
Minetest is amazingly optimized |
| 13:53 |
FourFire |
My whole world is literally being eaten and I'm only on 10-17% CPU usage |
| 13:54 |
Krock |
you can't rely on the CPU usage, as we only use one core |
| 13:55 |
Krock |
the performance could be better, most likely |
| 13:55 |
FourFire |
On a quad core CPU, 25%= 1 core |
| 13:56 |
FourFire |
I have the i5 5675C it has a large "128MB L4 Cache" |
| 14:10 |
Krock |
L4? Also works quite well with 2x 6 MiB L2 cache (no L3, L4) |
| 14:24 |
FourFire |
Krock, how do I make an if statement work with an ABM? |
| 14:25 |
Krock |
if condition then print("works") end |
| 14:25 |
FourFire |
Krock, this is my code https://hastebin.com/odugukerib.lua |
| 14:26 |
Krock |
I think you didn't quite understand what register_abm does |
| 14:26 |
Krock |
and when this code is actually called |
| 14:27 |
Krock |
the first line will be called as soon the mod gets loaded by Minetest on start |
| 14:27 |
FourFire |
You're right I don't |
| 14:28 |
Krock |
the function register_abm will - obviously - register an ABM, which triggers its "action" function after a while in-game |
| 14:28 |
FourFire |
Wait, so "action" is a variable? |
| 14:28 |
Krock |
so it'll be called once per second for each node (I think) |
| 14:29 |
FourFire |
I can call just the variable instead of all that code? |
| 14:29 |
Krock |
no, action is a function that you defined like the chance field |
| 14:29 |
Krock |
how do you call a variable that isn't a function? |
| 14:29 |
FourFire |
yes, sorry, but I can call the function just by typing "action" ? |
| 14:30 |
Krock |
no, you can't call that function. Minetest does that for you |
| 14:30 |
Krock |
and if it does, the code within that function (line 10) will be executed |
| 14:30 |
FourFire |
Okay, then is there some way to add that > 0 condition to the ABM itself? |
| 14:30 |
Krock |
yes, just do it like you said. move it there |
| 14:31 |
Krock |
into the "action" function |
| 14:32 |
FourFire |
This should work right: https://hastebin.com/wamewusixu.lua ? |
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| 14:35 |
sfan5 |
kind of |
| 14:35 |
Krock |
yeah, but define Energy_stored above the registration, so it knows that it's either a loacl or global variable |
| 14:36 |
Krock |
and it'll be quite spammy once it reached 0 |
| 14:36 |
FourFire |
I have |
| 14:36 |
FourFire |
That's fine I just have that for testing purposes |
| 14:37 |
Krock |
I'm not a Lua compiler who can tell you whether this will run just fine in your world, so just try it |
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| 15:43 |
lisac |
FourFire, dump() just converts storage types into a string |
| 15:43 |
lisac |
no need to do dump("some text") |
| 15:43 |
lisac |
but if you have, for example, an array of strings, then you do need it |
| 15:44 |
ThomasMonroe |
ok I just saw the Black tulip and green chrysanthemum PR for MTG |
| 15:45 |
ThomasMonroe |
would it be a bad idea for the black tulips to be added to the "lore" for the game? |
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| 17:04 |
Mr_Pardison |
Issue with boats. |
| 17:04 |
Mr_Pardison |
When you are on one, it doesn't let you do /spawn or /home. |
| 17:05 |
Mr_Pardison |
I'm bringing this up as a player that gets stuck in quicksand can't escape it unless they can back out of it. |
| 17:14 |
Krock |
asme issue with carts btw |
| 17:15 |
Krock |
that's called attachment and it's supposed to work like that |
| 17:15 |
Mr_Pardison |
RIP them if they can't escape. |
| 17:15 |
Krock |
i.e. fixed position, relative to the parent object |
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| 18:21 |
Shara |
Hello all :) |
| 18:22 |
Mr_Pardison |
Mew, traveling one. |
| 18:22 |
Shara |
Mew, Mr P. :) |
| 18:24 |
Mr_Pardison |
so, still haven't fixed my computer but I might buy the one that my sister has as it doesn't work anymore (at least the battery doesn't but that's a simple fix). |
| 18:24 |
Mr_Pardison |
Still going to install Fedora on it. |
| 18:30 |
Raven262 |
Hi Shara |
| 18:33 |
Mr_Pardison |
well, g2g now. |
| 18:33 |
Mr_Pardison |
cya |
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| 18:34 |
lisac |
hey https://youtu.be/2boY_CsDHIY |
| 18:35 |
lisac |
^ Smooth progressbars |
| 18:35 |
lisac |
Just finished it |
| 18:35 |
lisac |
what do you think? |
| 18:39 |
Shara |
lisac: interesting, but what practical use would it have? |
| 18:39 |
Shara |
(not saying there is none, but curious) |
| 18:39 |
lisac |
um... |
| 18:39 |
lisac |
it looks cool. |
| 18:39 |
Shara |
Hah |
| 18:39 |
lisac |
I could make the default furnace use it. :) |
| 18:39 |
Shara |
Find a use! |
| 18:39 |
Krock |
60 formspecs per second? |
| 18:39 |
lisac |
Krock, actually refreshes every 0.01s |
| 18:39 |
Shara |
Ouch |
| 18:39 |
Krock |
100 fpps |
| 18:40 |
lisac |
yeah |
| 18:40 |
Krock |
* fsps |
| 18:40 |
Raven262 |
Its smoooth |
| 18:40 |
lisac |
it has a configurable timestep. :) |
| 18:40 |
Raven262 |
Its ugly if it isn't smoooooth though |
| 18:40 |
lisac |
it also has this weird issue where you can't close the formspec while that is running. :P |
| 18:41 |
lisac |
gotta fix that, too |
| 18:41 |
Shara |
So it's interesting, but still not a proof of useful CSM :P |
| 18:41 |
Raven262 |
God of formspecs considers it heresy to do so. |
| 18:42 |
* Shara |
does not want to think of there being a god of formspecs |
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| 19:14 |
lisac |
Shara, it's not nesessarily CSM |
| 19:14 |
lisac |
It can be run server-side |
| 19:14 |
lisac |
it would just be slow. |
| 19:14 |
Raven262 |
Like lisac. |
| 19:14 |
lisac |
:( |
| 19:14 |
Raven262 |
Okay, he is a bit faster. |
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| 19:15 |
Raven262 |
Wb Krock |
| 19:17 |
Krock |
ty |
| 19:17 |
Shara |
lisac: I wouldn't want to touch something with that frequency of updates on server :P |
| 19:18 |
lisac |
After visiting the top servers, I'd think server admins love the lag. :) |
| 19:18 |
lisac |
https://pastebin.com/uPKaU8f7 |
| 19:18 |
lisac |
it's pretty proof-of-concept-y |
| 19:20 |
Shara |
Which are even the top servers? |
| 19:20 |
lisac |
first 10 or so http://servers.minetest.net/ |
| 19:21 |
Shara |
They change all the time though |
| 19:21 |
lisac |
yeah |
| 19:21 |
Shara |
But no, we don't love lag |
| 19:21 |
lisac |
but it's mostly just CTF, Darklands, Xanadu |
| 19:21 |
lisac |
and Just test |
| 19:21 |
lisac |
others come and go |
| 19:21 |
Shara |
I still don't get how DL outranks RC so often |
| 19:22 |
Shara |
At least at the moment DL has the higher average (usually doesn't), but it loses in everything else. |
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| 19:23 |
lisac |
563 people playing MT right now, online. |
| 19:24 |
Shara |
There we go.. RC lost players and leapt up the list |
| 19:24 |
lisac |
tripe that for daily number |
| 19:24 |
Shara |
RC seems to lose rank when it has more than 20 for some reason... |
| 19:26 |
IhrFussel |
There are FAR too many servers for those few hundred players ... it's more or less a luck game to get players onto your server |
| 19:26 |
Shara |
I wouldn't say it's just luck |
| 19:26 |
Shara |
RC built up slowly over time. DL got busy because RC players wanted survival, but wanted to stay on my servers |
| 19:27 |
IhrFussel |
Mobile players will choose the server that's top-most at the moment...if they fail to connect to it they try the 2nd best etc etc is my guess |
| 19:27 |
Shara |
Not sure how it works with mobile users |
| 19:27 |
Shara |
But you would still need to get up the list for that to kick in |
| 19:29 |
IhrFussel |
My server is (arguably) more unique than 90% of the other servers and it still doesn't get many players... we treat players fair and content isn't short either ... and the server is still not nearly as popular as some others |
| 19:30 |
Shara |
Fussel: you seem to be doing reaosnably well these days though |
| 19:30 |
lisac |
IhrFussel, I'm going to be honest here, your server looks a bit... complicated. |
| 19:30 |
lisac |
I can't follow the chat |
| 19:30 |
lisac |
due to all random messages |
| 19:31 |
lisac |
mods seem randomly scrapped together without any unique style |
| 19:31 |
lisac |
I also have a dislike for HD textures. |
| 19:31 |
lisac |
now I'm not saying it's bad, and it's probably better then some servers. |
| 19:31 |
lisac |
and I'm sure a lot of players, including my younger brother, like it. |
| 19:31 |
IhrFussel |
Even if you ignore the mintesthosting.com ones which can't be popular cause of mod/player limit, most servers are pretty dead and there are just a few "lucky" ones that get all those player waves |
| 19:32 |
Raven262 |
Odd thing is, though, that HD textures are exactly the thing that kids like. |
| 19:32 |
Raven262 |
For some reason. |
| 19:32 |
Shara |
I like.. I guess something in the middle. |
| 19:32 |
Shara |
I've yet to see any MT textures I would really call HD to be honest |
| 19:32 |
IhrFussel |
I have no HD textures...my textures are fanatasy-styled and they are 32x32 |
| 19:32 |
Shara |
32*32 would be what I favour |
| 19:32 |
Raven262 |
Thats still HD |
| 19:32 |
Shara |
I don't really like the 16*16 that MTG insists on |
| 19:33 |
Shara |
Raven, it's really not |
| 19:33 |
IhrFussel |
32x32 is only twice the default...try a 512x512 pack |
| 19:33 |
Raven262 |
4 times the defaul |
| 19:33 |
Raven262 |
*t |
| 19:33 |
lisac |
IhrFussel, Shara: I find higher then 16x16 resolution textures to look out of place in minetest |
| 19:34 |
Raven262 |
And, yes i would like to see a good texture pack in minetest, but they are all too bright for me. |
| 19:34 |
Shara |
lisac: possibly because you are seeing weird blends of different detail levels |
| 19:34 |
IhrFussel |
Well players are free to use their own TP on servers...nobody can deny it |
| 19:34 |
Raven262 |
I used the default textures, once. :P |
| 19:37 |
IhrFussel |
And I agree that my server *once* was a mess...cause I wasn't really sure what I wanted it to be...part of my playerbase wanted creative, other part wanted survival...I was torn between the two... but now I decided I go full "light survival" ... the mods are just optional, additional content...more options is always better |
| 19:37 |
Shara |
Not always |
| 19:37 |
IhrFussel |
If the choice is per-player then yes I'd say 100% |
| 19:39 |
IhrFussel |
One problem I have is that my server content is of course quite demanding...and a cheap Android phone with under 1 GB RAM will likely crash before the user even joins |
| 19:39 |
IhrFussel |
And most clone apps don't have any kind of settings to reduce effects |
| 19:41 |
IhrFussel |
I can only tell them to try a device restart...but that doesn't always help of course |
| 19:42 |
Shara |
not much you can do about it really |
| 19:42 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, regarding the doing well these days: It's very very random how much players I get... |
| 19:43 |
lisac |
Hey can we load textures in CSM? |
| 19:43 |
IhrFussel |
Sometimes I suddenly get hit by 20+ at once ... other times the server is dead for many hours |
| 19:44 |
Shara |
lisac: why not just use a texture pack? |
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| 19:46 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, busy servers become more popular, empty ones have a hard life |
| 19:47 |
Shara |
Look after the players you get. Build a good team. Be fair, but do follow and enforce your own rules. And mostly be patient. Very very patient. |
| 19:48 |
Shara |
Seems to be the way to get an active server that isn't just app users who don't speak |
| 19:51 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, my server was #1 most of the time last year ... I didn't change the way I handle my server since but most of them found other servers...so it's more a question about loyalty |
| 19:52 |
IhrFussel |
Newer servers popped up, my active players tried them and many moved over ... I call that a form of betrayal but whatever |
| 19:52 |
Shara |
Odd that I never saw it as #1. I used to at least check most high ranking servers at around that time. |
| 19:53 |
IhrFussel |
I had the data to back my claim up...daily active unique users went up to 800 in Oct/Nov/Dec |
| 19:53 |
IhrFussel |
800 is a lot |
| 19:54 |
IhrFussel |
My server was never empty there were at least 5 online at all times...even at night in US/EU |
| 19:55 |
Shara |
It's not about needing to back it up, though I do very much doubt you were #1 most of the time |
| 19:55 |
IhrFussel |
It was a bit of a phenomenom cause my server wasn't really popular during summer...it got extremely full in fall |
| 19:56 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe you checked the server list at the wrong times...my server was always in top 10 |
| 19:56 |
IhrFussel |
And you should know how much servers jump |
| 19:57 |
Shara |
Top 10 is quite different from "#1 most of the time" |
| 19:57 |
IhrFussel |
I even had some players telling me that we are #1 (without asking them to check) |
| 19:58 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, you are only #1 for 5 minutes if you have bad luck but you still were #1 in the list... like I said servers jump a lot and no server stays #1 for hours |
| 19:58 |
Shara |
I haven't said you weren't there for five minutes |
| 19:59 |
Shara |
And CTF currently begs to differ on your last point |
| 19:59 |
IhrFussel |
The algorithm to calculate the "server score" is flawed and we need a better one that is more consistent ... and there are 2 issues about it I think...or maybe just 1 and a very big complaint in the IRC log |
| 20:00 |
Shara |
I'm the first to agree it's messy, but at the moment I'd actually prefer my servers ranked lower |
| 20:00 |
IhrFussel |
I doubt that the server stays #1 for hours without dropping once |
| 20:00 |
Shara |
AFK |
| 20:02 |
IhrFussel |
paramat commented on my issue that we need a way to give each active server some spotlight kind of ... but those probably were just empty words |
| 20:02 |
IhrFussel |
Also CTF servers in general are extremely popular so not comparabe to survival servers |
| 20:03 |
IhrFussel |
comparable* |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: disagree with you, there just one active CTF server |
| 20:21 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, rubenwardy himself said that CTF servers in general seem to be the most popular ones ... he basically said "just name your server CTF and it will get players" |
| 20:21 |
rubenwardy |
well |
| 20:22 |
rubenwardy |
for some reason it seems I have to make it |
| 20:22 |
Fixer |
there is like 4 CTF servers, and only one is popular and has most of players, others are pretty much inactive |
| 20:22 |
rubenwardy |
there are two others on the list which were pretty low |
| 20:23 |
Calinou |
mobile clients just feel a natural attraction to anything with rubenwardy's name on it |
| 20:23 |
IhrFussel |
Players likely choose the one on top...it is the exact same for every other server...if your server is down somewhere you can only hope that some players will scroll down and join yours to have a chance at the top |
| 20:23 |
Calinou |
time to open a store, "rubenwardy's cakes" |
| 20:25 |
IhrFussel |
My server sometimes is in the LAST 10 ... but luckily my playerbase is large enough so that it's guaranteed it will jump higher sooner or later |
| 20:27 |
Shara |
ESP CTF used to be busy, but it's laggy and not moderated well. |
| 20:27 |
Shara |
Unless we fix it, it has no reason to be busy |
| 20:28 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not sure how other new servers land in the top 10 ... maybe some form of advertising or they are just very lightweight so no mobile players timeout which means more players will join soon after |
| 20:28 |
rubenwardy |
luck |
| 20:29 |
Shara |
DL was straight into the top ten really, and that happened because it had players ready and waiting for it before it was even open |
| 20:30 |
Shara |
Some people bring a group of players with them |
| 20:30 |
IhrFussel |
That's possible too...create a community before you open your server |
| 20:30 |
Shara |
I even did that to a smaller extent with RC. |
| 20:31 |
IhrFussel |
But if a top 10 server suddenly crashes, some players will think the server won't be available anytime soon -> look for new one |
| 20:32 |
sfan5 |
i'm not exactly sure what you mean but i imagine players are quite "loyal" to their server |
| 20:32 |
rubenwardy |
I find lots of players spam the reconnect button |
| 20:32 |
rubenwardy |
it's when it's done for more than a minute they give up |
| 20:33 |
Shara |
Same experience as rubenwardy |
| 20:33 |
sfan5 |
not necessarily because they like the who runs the server in which ways, but simply because it has their buildings they have invested time into |
| 20:33 |
Shara |
For me, if RC especially goes down, I tend to find a lot of players join the IRC channel to find out what's happening, and they amuse themselves there until it's back |
| 20:33 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, they will not try infinite times...maybe 2 or 3 times but if the server takes longer to reboot then they will very likely go somewhere else *for the time being* |
| 20:33 |
Shara |
Fussel: I know you are against an IRC connection, but it actually helps a lot for things like this |
| 20:34 |
IhrFussel |
And that's what populates less popular servers then for example |
| 20:35 |
IhrFussel |
Honestly it just takes 1 player to leave the bottom (at least in my case) ... if that 1 player stays for a bit the server already jumps quite a bit higher |
| 20:35 |
Shara |
Isn't that to be expected though? |
| 20:35 |
Shara |
I mean.. the admin themself can just play more to escape 0 |
| 20:35 |
sfan5 |
players are the main factor in ranking so yes |
| 20:36 |
Shara |
A server that always has 0 means even the admin doesn't play there, and if the admin doesn't play their own server, why should I? |
| 20:36 |
IhrFussel |
Yes I didn't say it was wrong behavior...I just mean it's *pretty* easy to jump somewhere to the top with 2-3 players |
| 20:37 |
Shara |
sfan5: Is there any reason RC randomly seems to rank lower when it gets over 20 players? It's not always consistent, but it does seem to drop sharply when it gets to 22+, then rises again when it falls under 20 |
| 20:37 |
sofar |
over 20 gets penalized |
| 20:37 |
IhrFussel |
Not top 10 but somewhere close to that ... so if a top 10 server is not available for a bit the chance is high that players might check out your server |
| 20:37 |
Shara |
I've checked the names with numbers, and that doesn't seem to be a factor |
| 20:37 |
IhrFussel |
Over 16 gets penalized |
| 20:37 |
Shara |
sofar: why such penalities? |
| 20:38 |
IhrFussel |
17 players = 1 player |
| 20:38 |
sofar |
I just read the code |
| 20:38 |
sofar |
it subtracts points as player count gets higher |
| 20:38 |
Shara |
RC just dropped from 22 to 15 and now it's back in 2nd place |
| 20:39 |
Shara |
I don't care about th eposition so much either way, just interested in the reasoning |
| 20:39 |
sofar |
ITB consistently ranks 30-40th |
| 20:39 |
sofar |
lol |
| 20:39 |
IhrFussel |
To distribute players more |
| 20:40 |
IhrFussel |
Basically a server with 20+ players is not in need for more players |
| 20:40 |
Shara |
Yet it's still the busiest grouping of servers at the top anyway |
| 20:40 |
Shara |
rubenwardy might disagree, but it's not like CTF needs more players right now :D |
| 20:41 |
rubenwardy |
I just realised the limit went up, oops. Back to 40 |
| 20:41 |
IhrFussel |
If a server has 50 players it means to the server list it has 30 I think...so being still at the top after all penalties is possible |
| 20:41 |
Shara |
hah |
| 20:42 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe server with extremely amounts of players hould get penalized more |
| 20:42 |
Shara |
Maybe it explains why DL is often so high. It's probably often sitting at 16 |
| 20:42 |
IhrFussel |
should* |
| 20:42 |
Shara |
I know above that it can start to refuse connections |
| 20:42 |
IhrFussel |
20 is not enough obviously |
| 20:43 |
* sofar |
doesn't really care about ITB not ranking high, the server lends itself well to players playing solo or building solo since its mostly a solo experience anyway |
| 20:43 |
Raven262 |
So basically, when looking for a new server to play on, don't take ones from the top. |
| 20:43 |
sofar |
of course, I would like it if more people would come building |
| 20:43 |
IhrFussel |
Last year it was (AFAIK) unheard of having 50# players on ONE server |
| 20:44 |
IhrFussel |
50+* |
| 20:44 |
sofar |
we need like, 10 Raven262's |
| 20:44 |
Raven262 |
Why? They would all build same boxes. |
| 20:44 |
sofar |
does anyone know of any really talented builders? |
| 20:44 |
Shara |
sofar: Sorry. have tried but I just can't really seem to get into it that much. |
| 20:44 |
sofar |
better than Raven262? |
| 20:44 |
sofar |
no worries |
| 20:44 |
Shara |
I probably would try and build |
| 20:45 |
Krock |
I can build the best cobble castles!!!111! |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
But I just can't be bothered with the boxes :P |
| 20:45 |
sofar |
HA |
| 20:45 |
Raven262 |
I have invited some, Yet most of the people that i knows a s good builders aren't usually to be found. |
| 20:45 |
Raven262 |
*as |
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| 20:45 |
sofar |
I will attempt to NOT reveal how well Krock's box scored |
| 20:45 |
Raven262 |
*know |
| 20:45 |
Krock |
sofar, #ranks - 1 |
| 20:45 |
Raven262 |
Which one was it? |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
sofar: Hover on RC for a bit. You'll find good builders but might have a hard time getting them away from there |
| 20:47 |
sofar |
did you just restart it? |
| 20:47 |
rubenwardy |
> 0s uptime |
| 20:47 |
Shara |
No, but one of my admins did |
| 20:47 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 20:48 |
Raven262 |
The CTF server has 40 players, cause its limited to 40. But CTF has little to do with building, and I'm a bit concerned about the community if they only play minetest to kill each other. |
| 20:48 |
sofar |
CTF is what, 95% tablet players? |
| 20:48 |
sofar |
it's all fine, let them |
| 20:48 |
Raven262 |
I guess so. |
| 20:49 |
sofar |
mostly younger kids I bet |
| 20:49 |
rubenwardy |
sofar, if you'd like a hundred monkeys randomly digging and placing blocks to make a masterpiece, then try CTF |
| 20:49 |
sofar |
ITB draws the older crowd, lol |
| 20:54 |
IhrFussel |
Regarding the extremely high IO on my server caused by map.sqlite accesses... could those be caused by too many mapblocks with meta? |
| 20:56 |
sofar |
if the meta changes a lot, yes |
| 20:56 |
IhrFussel |
I didn't run a full /clearobjects in over a year and have lots of animal/monster types spawning on the map |
| 20:56 |
rubenwardy |
:O |
| 20:58 |
IhrFussel |
It will just take LOTS of time with such a large DB ... that's why I didn't clear objects for so long |
| 20:59 |
IhrFussel |
The --info flag will give me the same progress in 0.4.16 like 0.5.0 now does in action stream right? |
| 20:59 |
IhrFussel |
Or does after merge* |
| 21:00 |
Fixer |
._. |
| 21:00 |
Fixer |
i wonder if v-sa needs another clearobject run on her servers |
| 21:00 |
rubenwardy |
clearobjects quick |
| 21:00 |
rubenwardy |
not sure how reliable it is |
| 21:01 |
rubenwardy |
CTF runs clearobjects (full) after every match :D |
| 21:01 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, I did that a few times but it's not the real thing |
| 21:01 |
rubenwardy |
...for the whole 100 mapchunks there are |
| 21:01 |
IhrFussel |
I imagine there could be thousands of mapblocks filled with mob data right now |
| 21:02 |
Fixer |
just 100 mapchunks? I was expecting more |
| 21:02 |
rubenwardy |
not all is loaded |
| 21:02 |
rubenwardy |
oh oops |
| 21:03 |
rubenwardy |
!math calc (160*2*2/16)**2 |
| 21:03 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: 1600 |
| 21:03 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 21:04 |
rubenwardy |
!math calc ((160*2/16)**2)*2 |
| 21:04 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: 800 |
| 21:04 |
rubenwardy |
heh, doesn't matter |
| 21:12 |
rubenwardy |
where's that article that talks about ransoming until you open source something? |
| 21:12 |
rubenwardy |
like companies promising to go open source if they get enough users |
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lisac |
!math calc 0/0 |
| 21:22 |
ShadowBot |
lisac: Error: float division by zero |
| 21:22 |
lisac |
!math calc 0/(2-2) |
| 21:22 |
ShadowBot |
lisac: Error: float division by zero |
| 21:22 |
lisac |
!math calc 0.2+0.1 |
| 21:22 |
ShadowBot |
lisac: 0.30000000000000004 |
| 21:22 |
lisac |
:) |
| 21:30 |
Fixer |
haha |
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| 22:28 |
garywhite |
!math calc 0.25+0.2 |
| 22:28 |
ShadowBot |
garywhite: 0.45 |
| 22:29 |
Raven262 |
!math calc 0.25+0.1 |
| 22:29 |
ShadowBot |
Raven262: 0.35 |
| 22:29 |
Raven262 |
!math calc 0.25+0.01 |
| 22:29 |
ShadowBot |
Raven262: 0.26 |
| 22:29 |
Raven262 |
!math calc 0.3+0.2 |
| 22:29 |
ShadowBot |
Raven262: 0.5 |
| 22:41 |
Calinou |
!math calc sqrt(-1) |
| 22:41 |
ShadowBot |
Calinou: i |
| 22:41 |
Calinou |
sqrt(-1) love you! |
| 22:42 |
Raven262 |
http://i.imgur.com/8FPPAdB.jpg |
| 22:42 |
Raven262 |
(Excuse the 9GAG logo, it was a repost) |
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| 23:08 |
Fixer |
enough r e t r o, will look into technic |
| 23:13 |
Fixer |
Airtight pipe entry/exit has no icon in creative menu for some reason |
| 23:15 |
Fixer |
oh man |
| 23:15 |
Fixer |
gui is fucked up in our technic |
| 23:16 |
Shara |
Fixer: any need for this language all the time? |
| 23:17 |
Fixer |
not really, here is example screenshot https://i.imgur.com/S3BfTOj.png |
| 23:17 |
Shara |
I usually don't say anything, but had a couple of people PM me complaining lately. |
| 23:18 |
Shara |
(Not specifically about you, just in general.) |
| 23:18 |
Shara |
I don't know much about technic, but I'm never surprised is anything involving formspecs is messy |
| 23:19 |
Shara |
if* |
| 23:23 |
Fixer |
is facade blocks technically possible for any mod provided mods in minetest? |
| 23:24 |
Shara |
What are you thinking of? |
| 23:24 |
Fixer |
it is widely used in MC, you have a pipe that goes through walls for example, so you "paint" a block with needed texture and plug that place where the pipe crosses that wall so i look nice |
| 23:25 |
sfan5 |
has this critical locked chest issue been reproduced yet? |
| 23:25 |
Shara |
sfan5: I'm hoping I can catch Ten about it, because I can't figure out what he was doing |
| 23:25 |
Shara |
To me, in 0.5 at least it seems fine. |
| 23:26 |
Shara |
Don't know if I am testing it correctly though. |
| 23:27 |
Fixer |
ten needs to check if his mtg and mods are up to date |
| 23:27 |
Shara |
I asked him if they were before he posted the issue |
| 23:27 |
Shara |
But didn't see him since |
| 23:27 |
sfan5 |
is there even an issue on the mtg bugtracker for this? |
| 23:28 |
sfan5 |
i'm guessing no |
| 23:28 |
Fixer |
ten probably has that take from inventory issue that was probably fixed, but i'm not sure |
| 23:28 |
Shara |
I should test this in stable as well really, since you said chest code hasn't been changed in years |
| 23:28 |
Fixer |
also, someone should tell LazyJ to backport those fixes since he is running ancient MTG |
| 23:28 |
Shara |
though the issue might have been somewhere else? |
| 23:28 |
sfan5 |
that's possible yes |
| 23:32 |
garywhite |
I was considering launching an 0.5-based server, but there would be literally no one to play on it rn |
| 23:32 |
Shara |
I can't even get it to work using my probably very outdated version of MTG. So I think I'm missing something. |
| 23:32 |
Shara |
I can get the chest inventory to display and add the player inventory to the formspec, but no go |
| 23:35 |
Shara |
I admit I haven't looked at the code too closely, but will ask Ten for more info when I catch him |
| 23:41 |
Fixer |
is that one with gcc5? |
| 23:41 |
garywhite |
idk, all I know is they will be using C++11 |
| 23:41 |
Fixer |
they are already using it |
| 23:42 |
Fixer |
with current version |
| 23:43 |
Fixer |
you can probably compile on older one, by installing backported GCC |
| 23:47 |
Fixer |
hmm, maikerumine opened up 0.5.0-dev survival server, interesting |
| 23:55 |
Fixer |
bigfoot547: so you have outdated debian? |
| 23:56 |
Fixer |
current one is 9.2 and c11 ready |
| 23:56 |
Fixer |
bigfoot547: not really much stable, just old .__. |
| 23:56 |
Fixer |
bigfoot547: somewhere on irc nerzhul said you can use some ubuntu ppa with newer gcc |
| 23:58 |
nerzhul |
Fixer, yeah, like travis does |
| 23:59 |
Fixer |
i can only advise you to upgrade to newer debian |
