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| 00:00 |
Wayward_One |
quite susceptible to tsunamis too |
| 00:00 |
Shara |
I gave one admin on RC authorisation to delete such builds (or move them if they are actually quite nice) |
| 00:01 |
Fixer |
CHA_CHA |
| 00:01 |
Fixer |
Wayward_One: unless it is WE tsunami |
| 00:02 |
Fixer |
on the other note |
| 00:02 |
Wayward_One |
lol |
| 00:04 |
Fixer |
insanity, new ADOM is 500mb in size |
| 00:11 |
Fixer |
Raven262: how is that Craigs server clean up going? Is it REMOVE enough? |
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zorman2000 |
Hi all |
| 00:13 |
zorman2000 |
How do I make an entity use a nodebox as model? |
| 00:14 |
zorman2000 |
I know there's a way I'm just not sure how |
| 00:15 |
zorman2000 |
Nevermind I figured out what to do... I was using Nodebox Editor and I can save to *.obj |
| 00:16 |
zorman2000 |
Thanks anyways! |
| 00:16 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 00:16 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
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rubenwardy |
Krock: extended protection radius to include the floor |
| 01:45 |
rubenwardy |
oh |
| 01:45 |
rubenwardy |
!tell Krock extended protection radius to include the floor |
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ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: O.K. |
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Megaf |
Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian buster/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz (1.93GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.5 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) Swap: 520.7 MiB Total (495.2 MiB Free) • Storage: 63.2 GB / 121.3 GB (58.2 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation MCP89 [GeForce 320M] @ NVIDIA Corporation MCP89 HOST Bridge • Uptime: 11h 16m 8s |
| 10:57 |
Megaf |
Am I the only one using that CPU? |
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| 12:22 |
Megaf |
It's always quite an adventure upgrade Debian releases |
| 12:22 |
Megaf |
I'm upgrading my servers from Wheezy to Jessie |
| 12:23 |
Megaf |
Not that I'm not happy with Wheezy, Wheezy is quite amazing. The problem is that on Wheezy I have to use Wheezy-Updates and Wheezy-Backports |
| 12:23 |
Megaf |
on Jessie I can just use the main repo and the security updates, so is more stable and tested |
| 12:24 |
Megaf |
also, Jessie will be LTS until April 2020 |
| 12:45 |
Calinou |
thank Debian LTS for making old software supported for even longer :^) |
| 12:45 |
Calinou |
a |
| 12:45 |
Calinou |
as if wasn't supported long enough already |
| 12:45 |
Calinou |
(Ubuntu, I'm looking at you…) |
| 12:46 |
Calinou |
Megaf: you might as well upgrade to Stretch, too :P |
| 12:46 |
Megaf |
fuck, I fucking hate facebook |
| 12:46 |
Megaf |
they broke HHVM "stable" |
| 12:46 |
Megaf |
now my main website is down because I decided to upgrade HHVM |
| 12:47 |
Calinou |
HHVM is no longer really supported by anyone |
| 12:47 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/facebook/hhvm/issues/8011#issuecomment-343734572 |
| 12:47 |
Calinou |
Symfony is dropping it, WordPress is dropping it |
| 12:47 |
Calinou |
just use PHP 7 |
| 12:47 |
Calinou |
(on Debian 8, get a third-party repository for PHP 7) |
| 12:47 |
Megaf |
I use HHVM as web server, I dont have lighttpd, nginx or apache in front of it |
| 12:47 |
Megaf |
and I use a reverse proxy server in front of HHVM in another server |
| 12:48 |
Megaf |
and PHP 7 work as a stand alone web server? |
| 12:49 |
Calinou |
don't use HHVM as a web server, that sounds silly |
| 12:49 |
Megaf |
http://php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.webserver.php |
| 12:49 |
Calinou |
same for PHP, python -m SimpleHTTPServer or that web server written in Bash! |
| 12:49 |
Calinou |
use a proper nginx/Apache setup |
| 12:49 |
Calinou |
I'm not saying this without reason; it is actually suited to production environments |
| 12:49 |
Megaf |
Calinou, less layers, less complexity, less overhead, less security holes |
| 12:49 |
Calinou |
HTTP/2 (with HTTPS) is supported on this one |
| 12:49 |
Calinou |
not on your random, obscure web server that isn't intended for production |
| 12:50 |
Megaf |
it's just a wordpress server |
| 12:50 |
Calinou |
that doesn't mean you shouldn't care about security or performance :) |
| 12:50 |
Calinou |
(because, yes, ad-hoc web servers are slow) |
| 12:50 |
Calinou |
"The web server runs a only one single-threaded process, so PHP applications will stall if a request is blocked." |
| 12:50 |
Calinou |
also, this ^ |
| 12:50 |
Calinou |
this is very common in the smaller web servers |
| 12:51 |
Megaf |
well, back to R&D |
| 12:52 |
Calinou |
it's not that hard to set up nginx or Apache :P |
| 12:52 |
Calinou |
I use Apache on my VPS, because it plays better with random PHP software |
| 12:52 |
Calinou |
(less setup) |
| 12:52 |
Megaf |
Calinou, I've used Apache my whole life |
| 12:53 |
Megaf |
then I migrated to Lighttpd, then nginx then finally decided, screw it, I'm using HHVM standalone |
| 12:53 |
Megaf |
I think I'm going for Apache https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2017/02/27/february-2017-web-server-survey.html |
| 12:54 |
Calinou |
lighttpd is meh |
| 12:54 |
Calinou |
nginx is very nice as a reverse proxy or static web server. It's not as good as Apache for PHP, I found, though |
| 12:54 |
Calinou |
(it can take a lot of time to respond to PHP requests, for some reason) |
| 12:55 |
Megaf |
This https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2017/10/26/october-2017-web-server-survey-13.html |
| 12:55 |
Megaf |
Calinou, nginx is fast because it caches, but it drops its cache now and then taking long time to open PHP sometimes |
| 12:57 |
Megaf |
Calinou, what flavour of apache are you using? |
| 12:58 |
Calinou |
flavour? |
| 12:58 |
Calinou |
the one from Ubuntu 16.04, recompiled with HTTP/2 support |
| 12:58 |
Calinou |
no Brotli, though :( |
| 12:58 |
Calinou |
I'll wait for 18.04 for that one, I guess |
| 12:58 |
Megaf |
theres lots of types of apache |
| 12:58 |
Megaf |
prefork and stuff |
| 13:01 |
lisac |
I never figured out why people use bad login systems until I had to write my own login system |
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| 13:13 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, lighttpd is not meh, it is extremely lightweight and you can spawn X amount of PHP processes |
| 13:14 |
IhrFussel |
I don't see anything lighttpd doesn't support outside of very rare usecases |
| 13:14 |
IhrFussel |
Apache is big and ugly IMO |
| 13:15 |
IhrFussel |
Never used nginx but various websites see them as very similar (lighttpd vs nginx) |
| 13:21 |
* Megaf |
high fives IhrFussel |
| 13:21 |
Megaf |
Lighttpd for the win |
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| 13:29 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not sure how well lighttpd handles big websites, but I never had a problem with it and I used it for multiple smaller sites so far |
| 13:38 |
Megaf |
well, for now I will stay with HHVM, the nightly version works well |
| 13:38 |
Megaf |
the stable is seg faulting |
| 13:38 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/facebook/hhvm/issues/8011#issuecomment-343734572 |
| 13:38 |
Megaf |
my own comment |
| 13:39 |
Megaf |
Right now I'm busy writing a new script to build Minetest |
| 13:43 |
Megaf |
This is what I've done so far. http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Minetest_Irrlicht_LuaJIT_SQLite_For_Linux_Builder/src/Unstable/Build.sh |
| 13:44 |
Megaf |
will write the LuaJIT build section now |
| 13:44 |
Megaf |
Listening to this https://open.spotify.com/user/johanbrook/playlist/2mtlhuFVOFMn6Ho3JmrLc2 |
| 13:45 |
Megaf |
And drinking wine |
| 13:57 |
Calinou |
Megaf: I generally prefer not shortening variable names too much |
| 13:57 |
Calinou |
SDIR can get confusing, wheras SOURCE_DIR is pretty self-explanatory |
| 14:00 |
Megaf |
Calinou, that's why I commented all lines |
| 14:00 |
Calinou |
a good script can be understood with few comments :) |
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| 14:06 |
Megaf |
Calinou, Ok, open an issue suggesting that I will change that for the stable version.. |
| 14:06 |
* Megaf |
playing as ordinary stupid dev |
| 14:07 |
Calinou |
that's good, creating issues will look good on my resume |
| 14:07 |
Calinou |
:D |
| 14:07 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 14:16 |
Megaf |
That's a nice and long song https://open.spotify.com/track/31uidLEHAcF8Cw1cX1VCS8 |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
Megaf: just use plain html and fuck everybody |
| 14:33 |
Fixer |
Megaf: plain html is cool |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
that doesn't solve the web server issue :P |
| 14:36 |
Fixer |
use usual tools |
| 14:37 |
Calinou |
that's what I said |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
i'm tired of this bloated js shit that has 100 words text in it and size of 10 megabytes of shit and 1000m^2 in screen area |
| 14:37 |
Calinou |
well, you would be happy to see my portfolio redesign |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
reader mode is good improvement |
| 14:37 |
Calinou |
it's pretty simple and doesn't require JavaScript |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
i use it all the time |
| 14:37 |
Calinou |
and jQuery isn't used at all |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
nice |
| 14:38 |
Fixer |
every asshole wants this jshit for no reason for his 10 word blog with plain text |
| 14:38 |
Calinou |
if you have JavaScript enabled, page switching is nearly instant thanks to Barba.js |
| 14:39 |
Calinou |
(or even fully instant in many cases) |
| 14:39 |
Fixer |
btw https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive |
| 14:39 |
Calinou |
lol https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/issues/1 |
| 14:39 |
Calinou |
glorious first issue |
| 14:40 |
Calinou |
also, I'm fairly convinced WebExtensions is a Good Thingâ„¢ |
| 14:40 |
Calinou |
sure, DownThemAll! and the like no longer work |
| 14:40 |
Calinou |
but we'll eventually get better things around :) |
| 14:44 |
Fixer |
Calinou: mozilla will probably provide additional apis, WE is not a match for that XUL thing |
| 14:44 |
Fixer |
Calinou: i'm loosing stuff like Scrapbook, WE alternatives are shit |
| 14:45 |
Fixer |
Calinou: it will need lots of time to mature |
| 14:45 |
Calinou |
Rome wasn't built in a day |
| 14:46 |
Fixer |
Calinou: yeah, but those kinds of regressing transition are very shitty, you loose much of what you love and end up with shit that will need FUCKING YEARS to develope and they will probably never catch up |
| 14:47 |
Fixer |
so i will need to move back to ESR or waterfox or smth to wait before it becames usable |
| 14:47 |
Fixer |
lots of stuff is not ported |
| 14:47 |
Fixer |
or still been ported |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
flashgot, noscript, tab mix plus, etc |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
or that weather plugin, it was nice when I seen current weather near menu for 5 days, now it is small shitty button nobody wants |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
because WE can't do shit |
| 14:49 |
Fixer |
and mozilla needs to provide some apis for that |
| 14:54 |
Calinou |
Fixer: well, Firefox ESR says hello |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
yep |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
need to move to ESR 52 |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
very sad they don't do ESR 56 |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
very bad |
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| 15:19 |
Megaf |
meh, cmake doesnt check any of the libs/headers you point to |
| 15:19 |
Megaf |
you can point to any directory, whether it exists or not |
| 15:19 |
Megaf |
it will finish with no error at all |
| 15:20 |
benrob0329 |
I dropped Firefox,when they dropped me :^) |
| 15:21 |
Fixer |
make a moooooooooooooooooooooove |
| 15:25 |
Fixer |
ready for ESR install |
| 15:25 |
Fixer |
lets scroll |
| 15:25 |
Krock |
Fixer, there you go https://pastebin.com/raw/wgUpUpWL |
| 15:26 |
Fixer |
i hope ESR works with WE extensions |
| 15:28 |
Fixer |
lost my tabs list, fuuuuuuuuck |
| 15:28 |
Fixer |
but I can probably recover it |
| 15:30 |
Fixer |
100 tabs or so |
| 15:30 |
Fixer |
~_~ |
| 15:30 |
Megaf |
Opera Presto was the king of multi tabbing |
| 15:30 |
Megaf |
multiple row tabs |
| 15:30 |
Fixer |
Opera was good browser |
| 15:30 |
Fixer |
they don't do it liket hat anymore |
| 15:33 |
Megaf |
Is there anyway to make cmake set make install to also copy the used luajit and irrlicht libs to install dir? |
| 15:35 |
Fixer |
Megaf: don't bother, copy them via your script.sh |
| 15:35 |
Fixer |
.________________. |
| 15:36 |
Fixer |
will install portable firefox and redo some things, like exporting list of that tabs |
| 15:36 |
Fixer |
apart from that ESR works |
| 15:38 |
Megaf |
bin/minetest: error while loading shared libraries: libluajit-5.1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
I have no idea where it got that file name from |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
since the right name would be ./LuaJIT/src/libluajit.so |
| 15:40 |
Fixer |
just use buildbot.sh if you are on windows |
| 15:41 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: it's probably the SONAME |
| 15:42 |
Megaf |
and that error is new to me, |
| 15:42 |
Megaf |
well, where should I put the .so so the binary can use it? |
| 15:43 |
Megaf |
there should be a lib folder in minetest... |
| 15:43 |
Megaf |
as pretty much any other software |
| 15:44 |
Fixer |
minetest.exe itself should probably be in a root folder of the game |
| 15:44 |
Fixer |
and libs in /bin or /lib |
| 15:45 |
Fixer |
for windows at least |
| 15:46 |
Megaf |
Fixer, I tried putting the lib in the bin folder, didnt work, and its Linux |
| 15:46 |
Megaf |
anyway, will just make the script add the libs and create a launcher |
| 15:46 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFunvF0mDw minetest development in one video :) |
| 15:50 |
Fixer |
current state of WE addons in one quote: "Leaves a lot to be desired at the moment. Looking forward to seeing it grow." |
| 15:57 |
Megaf |
Shara, :) |
| 15:57 |
Shara |
:) |
| 15:57 |
* Shara |
is always happy to see visiting tigers on RC |
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| 15:58 |
Megaf |
<sfan5> Megaf: it's probably the SONAME |
| 15:58 |
Megaf |
where? |
| 15:58 |
Megaf |
in the Makefile files? |
| 15:58 |
Megaf |
Shara, voice coyote1 please |
| 15:58 |
Megaf |
Thanks |
| 15:58 |
coyote1 |
thx |
| 15:58 |
sfan5 |
when you compile luajit it probably has -Wl,-soname in the flags somewhere |
| 15:58 |
IhrFussel |
My modified mod profiler now showed me that certain mesecons projects lag the server A LOT when they run... up to 200 ms PER STEP so I tried to reduce mesecons steps to 1 per second for now |
| 15:58 |
Shara |
Hi there coyote1, and welcome |
| 15:58 |
Megaf |
coyote1, so far this is the script. http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Minetest_Irrlicht_LuaJIT_SQLite_For_Linux_Builder/src/Unstable/Build.sh |
| 15:59 |
coyote1 |
wow, good work |
| 15:59 |
sfan5 |
but instead of enforcing dynamic linking why not just link to luajit.a |
| 16:00 |
Megaf |
sfan5, so you mean just pointing the CMAKE thing to .a instead of .so? |
| 16:00 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 16:00 |
coyote1 |
i think you also can build sqlite3 in |
| 16:00 |
Megaf |
-DLUA_LIBRARY=$LDIR/src/libluajit.so to -DLUA_LIBRARY=$LDIR/src/libluajit.a |
| 16:00 |
Megaf |
coyote1, yep, next step, |
| 16:02 |
Megaf |
compiling again using the static library |
| 16:02 |
coyote1 |
can be jsoncpp optimized? |
| 16:02 |
coyote1 |
why not? |
| 16:02 |
Megaf |
coyote1, doing that already |
| 16:03 |
Megaf |
coyote1, Im using built in jsoncpp, so it is optimized in the build |
| 16:03 |
coyote1 |
ah,ok |
| 16:03 |
Megaf |
[ 1%] Linking CXX static library libjsoncpp.a |
| 16:03 |
Megaf |
[ 1%] Built target jsoncpp |
| 16:04 |
Megaf |
sfan5, for some reason cmake is ignoring the option to use built in gmp |
| 16:04 |
Megaf |
-- Using GMP provided by system. |
| 16:04 |
Megaf |
-- Found GMP: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so |
| 16:04 |
Megaf |
-DUSE_SYSTEM_GMP=0 |
| 16:04 |
sfan5 |
it's ENABLE_SYSTEM_GMP |
| 16:05 |
Megaf |
so why cmake doesnt complain about not recognized specified option? |
| 16:05 |
Megaf |
as it does with any other thing you misspell |
| 16:05 |
Megaf |
and why json is is USE and GMP us ENABLE? |
| 16:06 |
Megaf |
have you ever heard about consistency? |
| 16:06 |
* Megaf |
is talking shit again |
| 16:06 |
coyote1 |
that's cmake :) |
| 16:06 |
* Megaf |
hides |
| 16:06 |
Megaf |
coyote1, no, I'm mistaken |
| 16:07 |
Megaf |
I'm right in the part that cmake does complain, but the consitency part I'm wrong |
| 16:07 |
Megaf |
it's enable for json too |
| 16:07 |
Megaf |
sfan5, sorry and thanks |
| 16:07 |
sfan5 |
the USE_* things are internal and overwritten by the code, so cmake won't complain |
| 16:08 |
Megaf |
-- Detecting GMP from system disabled! (ENABLE_SYSTEM_GMP=0) |
| 16:08 |
Megaf |
-- Using bundled mini-gmp library. |
| 16:08 |
Megaf |
bettrer |
| 16:09 |
coyote1 |
minigmp? |
| 16:09 |
coyote1 |
wow |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
coyote1, I like the way you think, like me :P |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
all you suggested are things I'd done |
| 16:10 |
coyote1 |
very good |
| 16:11 |
Megaf |
I wonder what else could give performance gains, libpng and libjpg? |
| 16:11 |
Megaf |
curl? |
| 16:11 |
coyote1 |
i'm making config for old android phones |
| 16:11 |
coyote1 |
libpng can, but it will not be very big |
| 16:11 |
coyote1 |
i think |
| 16:11 |
Megaf |
I'm planning in making my script more modular, so it would be possible, in theory, to addapt it to any platform |
| 16:12 |
coyote1 |
it will work for all windowses |
| 16:12 |
Megaf |
I think sqlite, luajit and irrlicht are the most important parts to be optimized |
| 16:12 |
coyote1 |
oops |
| 16:12 |
coyote1 |
linuxes! |
| 16:12 |
Megaf |
coyote1, I have a script for windows too |
| 16:13 |
coyote1 |
windows users probably don't think about performancy |
| 16:13 |
Megaf |
coyote1, pretty sure my script is broken tho http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/BuildBot64/src/master/ |
| 16:14 |
Megaf |
It was forked from the original buildbot |
| 16:14 |
Megaf |
gotta love the speed of my gitserver |
| 16:16 |
coyote1 |
how's it going? |
| 16:16 |
Fixer |
minetest is doing |
| 16:16 |
Megaf |
right now I'm building MT again using the new cmake flags for luajit and gmp |
| 16:17 |
Megaf |
hopefully it will now work without any ld library hacks |
| 16:18 |
Megaf |
coyote1, if this works, then the next think I will do is add sqlite to the script |
| 16:18 |
coyote1 |
waiting :) |
| 16:22 |
Megaf |
Cool, it works |
| 16:23 |
Megaf |
will release a stable version of the script now |
| 16:23 |
Fixer |
moved open tabs to ESR, yay |
| 16:24 |
Megaf |
Not sure how to create a new branch |
| 16:26 |
Megaf |
anyway, you can git clone http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Minetest_Irrlicht_LuaJIT_SQLite_For_Linux_Builder |
| 16:26 |
Megaf |
should work on any Linux/UNIX if you already have svn, git and deps installed |
| 16:30 |
Megaf |
coyote1, Not sure if I will be able to include sqlite |
| 16:30 |
Megaf |
I need to find a svn/git repo for it with stable branch |
| 16:31 |
Megaf |
they use fossil |
| 16:31 |
Megaf |
blah |
| 16:31 |
Megaf |
too much work |
| 16:32 |
coyote1 |
why luajit 2.0? |
| 16:32 |
coyote1 |
oops |
| 16:32 |
coyote1 |
understood |
| 16:33 |
coyote1 |
at the end script should echo "Done" |
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| 16:34 |
coyote1 |
we need a kernel for minetest only :D |
| 16:36 |
Megaf |
<coyote1> at the end script should echo "Done" |
| 16:37 |
Megaf |
that's on the TODO |
| 16:37 |
Megaf |
<coyote1> we need a kernel for minetest only :D |
| 16:37 |
Megaf |
Working on it |
| 16:37 |
coyote1 |
and full os |
| 16:37 |
coyote1 |
with the special minetest processor |
| 16:37 |
coyote1 |
hardware minetest :O |
| 16:38 |
sfan5 |
https://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/ |
| 16:38 |
Megaf |
retesting the latest version of the script here (with new variable names) (not yet on Git) |
| 16:39 |
coyote1 |
also unittests can be disables |
| 16:39 |
coyote1 |
d |
| 16:40 |
Megaf |
sfan5, should use the flag --omg-optimized for sure |
| 16:42 |
coyote1 |
works fast :) |
| 16:42 |
coyote1 |
if anyone writes sdl2 backed for irrlicht |
| 16:42 |
coyote1 |
... |
| 16:42 |
Megaf |
"I'm currently isntalling Gentoo from stage 1 on 300Mhz laptop with 128 megs of RAM. And the compilation is not an issue. That guy sounds like he plans to do all the compiling during the time he would normally be using the computer. Why not do like I did? I started the bootstrap when I was on my way to bed. In the morning, it was finished. Before I went to work, I emerged system. When I got back home, it was done. X and Fluxbox were both installed |
| 16:42 |
Megaf |
during the night, no problems there. I didn't lose any time compiling all that software." |
| 16:42 |
Megaf |
Sounds like me when building FlightGear ^ |
| 16:44 |
coyote1 |
lets try minetest on this |
| 16:44 |
coyote1 |
2017-11-12 22:44:14: WARNING[Main]: Irrlicht: PNG warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile |
| 16:44 |
coyote1 |
there are lots of this warning :) |
| 16:44 |
Megaf |
coyote1, thats mods/server/subgame issue |
| 16:45 |
Megaf |
or limbpng issue... |
| 16:45 |
Megaf |
libpng* |
| 16:45 |
coyote1 |
i think yes |
| 16:45 |
Megaf |
but just ignore those |
| 16:46 |
coyote1 |
on RedCat's server works at fps 30-40 |
| 16:46 |
Fixer |
Typical Japanese WebSite: https://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskInfo/index-e.html |
| 16:46 |
Megaf |
coyote1, and how does it compares to a normal Minetest build? |
| 16:46 |
coyote1 |
but performance somehow upper |
| 16:46 |
Megaf |
at least the feeling of it |
| 16:47 |
Fixer |
"SAMSUNG HD155UI/HD204UI has data loss bug." nice |
| 16:47 |
Megaf |
does it stutter less? |
| 16:47 |
coyote1 |
+5-10% of performance |
| 16:47 |
Shara |
coyote1: Do you mean RedCat performance is good or bad for you? |
| 16:47 |
coyote1 |
RedCat is a server |
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| 16:47 |
Shara |
Yes, I know. It's mine :P |
| 16:47 |
Fixer |
oh, they open source it too o_O |
| 16:47 |
coyote1 |
Shara: hi |
| 16:48 |
Shara |
That's why I'm curious if you meant that was good or bad. |
| 16:48 |
coyote1 |
Shara: what good/bad? |
| 16:48 |
coyote1 |
performance? better :) |
| 16:48 |
Shara |
You said fps was 30 to 40 |
| 16:49 |
coyote1 |
yes, it's normal |
| 16:49 |
Shara |
Okay. |
| 16:49 |
coyote1 |
my notebook is 6 year old |
| 16:50 |
coyote1 |
so, i prefer to play on 30 fps :) |
| 16:51 |
Shara |
Makes sense :) |
| 16:51 |
coyote1 |
oh yes |
| 16:51 |
Megaf |
coyote1, sfan5 http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Minetest_Irrlicht_LuaJIT_SQLite_For_Linux_Builder/commit/ea979e79692d5a1d00ce4f8f4926c1f3cd46e3da |
| 16:51 |
Megaf |
happy? |
| 16:51 |
coyote1 |
let's try on my configuration... |
| 16:51 |
Megaf |
coyote1, my is 7 years old |
| 16:51 |
Megaf |
Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian buster/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz (1.59GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.5 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) Swap: 520.7 MiB Total (259.6 MiB Free) • Storage: 62.5 GB / 121.3 GB (58.8 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation MCP89 [GeForce 320M] @ NVIDIA Corporation MCP89 HOST Bridge • Uptime: 17h 10m 49s |
| 16:52 |
coyote1 |
as my |
| 16:52 |
coyote1 |
how to get the same output? |
| 16:53 |
Megaf |
coyote1, I'm using HexChat, the command is /sysinfo |
| 16:53 |
coyote1 |
pidgin, nope :( |
| 16:54 |
coyote1 |
but same as your, with amd |
| 16:54 |
coyote1 |
my home is very warm :) |
| 16:59 |
Megaf |
added license to the code |
| 16:59 |
Megaf |
lets work on the sqlite part now |
| 17:00 |
Fixer |
https://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskInfo/manual-en/History.html o_O |
| 17:01 |
Rodger |
I have a new mod! https://github.com/rdococ/fake_liquids (and, yes, in case you were sleeping while I grouped this nick into my account, I am rdococ). |
| 17:03 |
IhrFussel |
The globalstep of the fire mod takes 3-5 ms to execute by the way ... that's quite a bit considering defazlt steps are 90ms |
| 17:03 |
IhrFussel |
default* |
| 17:06 |
Megaf |
how do I tell unzip the dir where I want the zip to be extract to? |
| 17:06 |
Megaf |
instead of it using the name in the zip itself |
| 17:06 |
Megaf |
for example, sqlite.zip is extracted to sqlite-amalgamation-3210000 |
| 17:07 |
Megaf |
I want it to be extracted to SQLite |
| 17:07 |
Fixer |
[2015/05/06] Added XP/2003 support |
| 17:07 |
Fixer |
noice |
| 17:07 |
Fixer |
if only minetest supported windows xp :trollface: |
| 17:07 |
Megaf |
I have no idea what you talking about Fixer |
| 17:07 |
Megaf |
and I think my build supports XP |
| 17:08 |
Megaf |
just 64 bit tho |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
Megaf: reviewing crystaldiscmark/info hdd benchmarking tools |
| 17:10 |
Fixer |
they are opensource for now |
| 17:10 |
Fixer |
wonder if can be ported to linux |
| 17:15 |
Megaf |
that can be tricky, depends on how it works |
| 17:15 |
Megaf |
and the calls it makes |
| 17:18 |
Megaf |
coyote1, I have no idea how to build sqlite.... http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/master/BUILD_SQlite |
| 17:19 |
coyote1 |
ow |
| 17:20 |
coyote1 |
i have to try this |
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| 17:21 |
Megaf |
coyote1, I got it |
| 17:21 |
coyote1 |
https://sqlite.org/compile.html |
| 17:21 |
coyote1 |
wow |
| 17:22 |
coyote1 |
there's lot of options |
| 17:22 |
coyote1 |
Setting -DSQLITE_THREADSAFE=0 causes all of the mutex and thread-safety logic in SQLite to be omitted. This is the single compile-time option that makes the most difference in optimizing the performance of SQLite. |
| 17:22 |
coyote1 |
omit this? |
| 17:27 |
Megaf |
ok, I figured out the part to get the source, now the building part |
| 17:29 |
Megaf |
<coyote1> Setting -DSQLITE_THREADSAFE=0 causes all of the mutex and thread-safety logic in SQLite to be omitted. This is the single compile-time option that makes the most difference in optimizing the performance of SQLite. |
| 17:29 |
Megaf |
that on MT CMAKE? |
| 17:30 |
coyote1 |
#error SQLite will not work correctly with the -ffast-math option of GCC. |
| 17:30 |
coyote1 |
no, on compiletimeconfig |
| 17:31 |
coyote1 |
of sqlite |
| 17:31 |
coyote1 |
https://sqlite.org/compile.html |
| 17:31 |
Megaf |
yep |
| 17:31 |
Megaf |
Im there too now |
| 17:31 |
Megaf |
coyote1, you doing configure -DSQLITE_THREADSAFE=0? |
| 17:31 |
Megaf |
How are you passing flags to configure? |
| 17:32 |
coyote1 |
i think these configs can be found interesting for us |
| 17:32 |
coyote1 |
emm, i don't know how |
| 17:32 |
coyote1 |
i just read compile.html |
| 17:33 |
coyote1 |
try to pass for make |
| 17:34 |
Megaf |
if you wait a bit, I'm playing around here, but first got to get the download and extract thing proper on the script |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
Fixer: CrystalDiskInfo/CrystalDiskMark rely on a lot of system APIs |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
and the GUI is rendered using Windows APIs |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
so, no |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
coyote1: you can use "sqlite_synchronous = 0" if you do not care about data integrity much |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
(make backups often if using this!) |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
(that's a minetest.conf setting) |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
or, better, use PostgreSQL :P |
| 17:36 |
coyote1 |
Or redis |
| 17:37 |
coyote1 |
what's fastest database for minetest on the world can be (ritorically) |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
https://wiki.minetest.net/Database_backends |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
PostgreSQL is easier on the RAM |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
and should be nearly as fast as Redis |
| 17:37 |
coyote1 |
i think one can use dummy, but on exit save it |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
(and easier to set up, since it's more widely available) |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
the player data also goes to the database, when using PostgreSQL, which is not the case with Redis |
| 17:38 |
coyote1 |
what about other dbs? |
| 17:38 |
coyote1 |
not supported in mt? |
| 17:39 |
Megaf |
coyote1, I think you can just pass --disable-threadsafe to configure |
| 17:39 |
coyote1 |
i have an idea |
| 17:39 |
coyote1 |
use dummy backend, but on exit save a world on exit |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
coyote1: LevelDB is still supported today |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
but there's not much use in using it |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
singleplayer doesn't really require anything else than SQLite |
| 17:41 |
Rodger |
dummy backend is for dummies ;) |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
Rodger: the CTF server uses the dummy backend, as it does not need to save world data :) |
| 17:41 |
Megaf |
coyote1, you just described REDIS |
| 17:41 |
Megaf |
<coyote1> use dummy backend, but on exit save a world on exit |
| 17:41 |
Megaf |
it will keep all in mem |
| 17:42 |
coyote1 |
database is needed for servers, big servers |
| 17:42 |
coyote1 |
emm, how to force it to use other backend? |
| 17:43 |
coyote1 |
Calinou: will add it on wiki :) |
| 17:43 |
Rodger |
Calinou: I'm aware of that ;) |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
coyote1: it's already on the wiki |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
I just edited the page a bit, btw |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
(grammer fixes, use of ✔ for checkmark) |
| 17:45 |
coyote1 |
i'm about ctf mode |
| 17:48 |
Megaf |
sfan5, any idea how do I use the option SQLITE_OMIT_SHARED_CACHE in configure for SQLITE? |
| 17:48 |
sfan5 |
nope |
| 17:48 |
Megaf |
for SQLITE_THREADSAFE=0 there is --disable-threadsafe |
| 17:48 |
Megaf |
I have no idea how to use these VARs https://www.sqlite.org/compile.html#omit_shared_cache |
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| 17:57 |
coyote1 |
will 0.5's api be stable |
| 17:58 |
coyote1 |
i wanna make a zombie game |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
API stability is not guaranteed in Minetest, IIRC |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
at least, not until 1.0 |
| 17:58 |
coyote1 |
why not 1.0? :D |
| 17:59 |
coyote1 |
i think our code is not very bad |
| 18:02 |
Megaf |
coyote1, you still playing with sqlite? |
| 18:03 |
Megaf |
or did you give up already? |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
coyote down! |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
CFLAGS="-march=native -mfpmath=both -Ofast -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -DSQLITE_THREADSAFE=0 -DSQLITE_OMIT_SHARED_CACHE" CPPFLAGS="-march=native -mfpmath=both -Ofast -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -DSQLITE_THREADSAFE=0 -DSQLITE_OMIT_SHARED_CACHE" $SQLITE_SOURCE_DIR/configure --prefix="$SQLITE_INSTALL_DIR" --disable-threadsafe --disable-tcl --disable-load-extension |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
this should do |
| 18:15 |
rubenwardy |
Calinou: we don't use semvar. Whilst we don't declare any guarantees, our scheme is probably closest to 0.major.minor |
| 18:15 |
rubenwardy |
So there will be API breakages in 0.5 - naming to do with player models - it is to be minimised so most mods will continue to work |
| 18:16 |
rubenwardy |
*namely |
| 18:27 |
Megaf |
Get up get up! https://open.spotify.com/track/5PEZJMU4xfiSNwT26JhHnL |
| 18:31 |
Megaf |
on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsZDWNk_RIA |
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| 18:45 |
Megaf |
WOW |
| 18:45 |
Megaf |
I cant believe Linux recovered from that |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
compiling sqlite myself actually did speed up world generation |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
interesting |
| 18:49 |
Calinou |
recent SQLite versions are a bit faster |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
(5-15%) |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
-march=native helps a bit too (up to 5%) |
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Rodger |
◕ヮ◕ |
| 19:17 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: you still against idea of including unifieddyes in homedecor modpack? modpacks should not have external dependancies like this, it is silly :) Even if you got two unifieddyes in Dreambuilder, it is like 200kilobyte of space wasted, only one will be used anyway |
| 19:21 |
rubenwardy |
surely unifieddyes is an optional dependency anyway? |
| 19:21 |
rubenwardy |
doesn't make sense for creative servers with no need to craft things |
| 19:22 |
Shara |
Would be nice if more mods considered things like that, but they rarely do |
| 19:25 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: modpacks external dependancy is silly idea in general |
| 19:26 |
rubenwardy |
Fixer, shouldn't be a dependency |
| 19:26 |
rubenwardy |
and external dependencies are fine |
| 19:26 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest just has shit package management |
| 19:26 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: just include in modpack, why this silliness with those dyes? |
| 19:27 |
Shara |
You could always have more than one modpack which needs the same mod |
| 19:27 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: very shit, it has to change, unusable |
| 19:27 |
Shara |
It's not at all unusable even if not perfect |
| 19:27 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: in windows you need separate minetest folders for each modpacks, on linux - no idea, probably you are fucked |
| 19:28 |
Fixer |
Shara: unless you install other modpack, or have some lone mod that is outside of modpack, etc |
| 19:28 |
Fixer |
shitty system |
| 19:29 |
Shara |
Fixer: I'm handling a couple hundred mods for my servers, and though I agree it could certainly better, it's certainly not unusable. |
| 19:29 |
Shara |
be better* |
| 19:29 |
Fixer |
Shara: i'm a player, if i install different modpack, it should just work |
| 19:29 |
Fixer |
and it is not |
| 19:30 |
Shara |
actually no, there's no reason why a modpack should just work |
| 19:30 |
Fixer |
because it does not take folders into account, it just loads random (or whatever) mod (if there are many) |
| 19:30 |
Shara |
That's saying a modpack can't depend on anything |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
FFS MINETEST.RU |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
ARGH |
| 19:31 |
Fixer |
Shara: modpack has silly mod, there is also silly mod outside of this modpack (but little different), modpack is enabled, yet it still uses wrong silly mod |
| 19:31 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: >COM |
| 19:31 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: >ORG |
| 19:32 |
Fixer |
it is on anything, but not on hipster friendly .io |
| 19:32 |
Fixer |
minetest.io |
| 19:32 |
Shara |
Fixer: that's different from bloating modpacks just because you don't want to need to add one extra mod yourself |
| 19:32 |
rubenwardy |
please stop pinging me so often, it's very annoying |
| 19:32 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: yellow lines are too annoying? |
| 19:32 |
Megaf |
Shara, what happened to Coyote? |
| 19:33 |
Fixer |
Shara: it is not bloat, it requires that damn unifieddyes thing |
| 19:33 |
Shara |
Megaf: No idea. Signed out? |
| 19:33 |
Fixer |
but i have for some reason need to download it separately |
| 19:33 |
Shara |
Fixer: then correct fix what be what ruben asked for. |
| 19:33 |
Megaf |
Timeout and not back yet, is he in your server? |
| 19:34 |
Shara |
I don't know. Check on server list or join server channel where you can see? :P |
| 19:34 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 19:35 |
Fixer |
sure, compared to minecraft, enabling modpack in minetest is easy, but it has some flies in the soup |
| 19:35 |
Fixer |
why not take out that flies? |
| 19:35 |
Shara |
Fixer: sure, would be nice, but fixing doesn't come from doubling up mods or bloating things |
| 19:36 |
Fixer |
maybe nobody cares that much, DreamB does not even run properly on windows, and who uses those other modpacks? 2.5 anonymous minetest players |
| 19:36 |
Shara |
I use several modpacks on my servers |
| 19:36 |
Fixer |
Shara: unifieddyes is not related to modpack problems, it is this certain modpack problem, it can store unifieddyes in itself |
| 19:37 |
Fixer |
it is player hostile |
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| 19:37 |
Shara |
The modpack shouldn't depend on it |
| 19:38 |
Fixer |
in readme it says it requires unifieddyes and minetest itself |
| 19:39 |
Megaf |
ok, that's better! http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Minetest_Irrlicht_LuaJIT_SQLite_For_Linux_Builder/src/Unstable/Build.sh |
| 19:39 |
Shara |
Fixer: Yet I'm running slightly edited version of homedecor with no unifieddyes and no troubles |
| 19:39 |
Fixer |
yeah, but I'm talking about official |
| 19:40 |
Fixer |
it is silly that some 20mb mod (or such) requires 200kbyte external dependancy just because |
| 19:40 |
Fixer |
modpack* |
| 19:40 |
Shara |
and to repeat myself yet again - official shouldn't actual require it either |
| 19:40 |
Shara |
actually* |
| 19:41 |
Megaf |
Agreed |
| 19:42 |
Shara |
A lot of mods require things they don't actually really need |
| 19:42 |
Fixer |
it is like unifieddyes is big ass megaimportant addon that I need to waste my time downloading while it can be optional or included in modpack itself (it is 200kbyte in size) |
| 19:42 |
Shara |
Better to make them optional depends when possible and open up some fleixibility |
| 19:42 |
Shara |
flexibility* |
| 19:46 |
Megaf |
* Shara is always happy to see visiting tigers on RC |
| 19:46 |
Megaf |
Had totally missed that |
| 19:46 |
Megaf |
my answer to that is... |
| 19:46 |
Megaf |
:D |
| 19:47 |
Shara |
:D |
| 19:48 |
Megaf |
well, this last version seems to work very well, just some line spaces to be improved and then I think the script is done. |
| 19:49 |
Megaf |
http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Minetest_Irrlicht_LuaJIT_SQLite_For_Linux_Builder/src/Unstable/Build.sh |
| 19:49 |
Megaf |
Anyone willing to test it? |
| 19:49 |
Megaf |
You need to have install git, wget, zip and tar |
| 19:49 |
Megaf |
and regular mt deps... |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
meh, been working on this thing for 7 hours already |
| 19:52 |
shivajiva |
I see the build flags are candidates for variables Megaf :) |
| 19:53 |
Megaf |
shivajiva, Usually I used them as variables, until I made a script to install FlightGear, and flags wouldnt work as variables for some bizarre reason when compiling one of the dependencies. |
| 19:54 |
shivajiva |
that's good to know, I'll file that for when stuff doesn't want to play |
| 19:55 |
Megaf |
shivajiva, here, http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/FlightGear_Builder_For_Debian/src/master/Build_FG.sh#L30 |
| 19:56 |
Megaf |
this part wouldnt take flags as variables |
| 19:56 |
Megaf |
and I duplicated them on make yes |
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shivajiva |
must be in the way bash handles the substitution Megaf |
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Megaf |
shivajiva, but is weird regardless |
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