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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-10-30

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00:09 Fixer that sucks
00:09 Fixer it is outdated android, ofc
00:09 Fixer no worries
00:19 Fixer data is already stolen by Google anyway
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00:21 Calinou what happened to rubenwardy? I didn't understand
00:21 Calinou and Shara
00:21 sfan5 ?.?
00:23 Megaf <benrob0329> IRC just gets the link to the file in the room
00:23 Megaf so does your Matrix client
00:23 Megaf it just, as WhatsApp, Skype and any other IM really, shows a preview of the image
00:29 benrob0329 Megaf: technically yes
00:38 Shara Calinou: we were both at the freenode live conference
00:40 Calinou did one of you got their phone stolen?
00:41 Calinou <rubenwardy> The Freenode staff were very nicw
00:41 Calinou also, they finally started being nice to me, they gave me a cloak this month :P
00:41 Calinou I thought they'd deny because I have many ongoing bans
00:41 Calinou but now that most bans are account-based now…
00:59 Jordach Khajiit has shit post if you have karma.
01:20 Megaf Hijiri, Hi there, you are not identified
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06:38 sofar please upvote https://imgur.com/gallery/PYkyK
06:38 sofar *beg*
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09:04 Calinou imgur compression is bae, as we can see :P
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11:44 rubenwardy Calinou, Shara nicked my phone to talk on IRC
11:46 Calinou ah
11:47 rubenwardy There was an open bar and lots of good food
11:48 rubenwardy a very nice weekend
11:57 Shara I'm pretending it's still the weekend :)
11:58 rubenwardy So many people thought we were a mod for Minecraft
11:59 rubenwardy Or asked why the name was so shit
11:59 rubenwardy So...
12:00 Shara Though we did have quite a few people who seemed interested in MT as well.. it's just whether or not any of them show up
12:00 rubenwardy Yeah
12:03 rubenwardy Somebody thought we were a testing suite for MC
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12:04 Shara I wonder what part of "open source" conference they missed
12:07 rubenwardy Very true
12:07 rubenwardy Even a boring name is better than the one we have
12:07 rubenwardy Although I'd have to reprint all the materials :P
12:08 Shara :P
12:09 rubenwardy It's not our biggest problem though
12:09 rubenwardy **cough** MTG **cough**
12:09 rubenwardy **cough** formspecs **cough**
12:11 Shara I'd say MTG is the larger issue.
12:12 Shara That's generally what a person coming in for the first time experiences
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12:45 CWz kind of wish someone would remove the stupid herobrine skin from the skindatabase that meme is freaking idiotic
12:46 nerzhul rubenwardy, **cough** network performance **cough**
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12:56 Fixer rubenwardy: did you mention that MTG NEEDS HELP!!!!!!!111 IT DIES!11
12:57 rubenwardy That's hardly the worst thing , nrz
12:57 rubenwardy It's hardly even a problem
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14:12 jas_ i like the name minetest, i like minetest_game, and generally enjoy working with formspecs
14:20 rubenwardy Lol
14:20 rubenwardy There's selection bias
14:21 rubenwardy Everyone here is used to the name Minetest, and also was able to get past it
14:21 rubenwardy I frankly avoid mentioning the name of this project as much as possible because it's embarrassing
14:29 jas_ i think it sounds cool.  plus, i like both mining and testing.
14:31 jas_ and i don't know what selection bias means
14:35 Hijiri it means if you hated the name you wouldn't have joined the community in the first place
14:35 jas_ oh, i hated the name at first
14:35 jas_ i downloaded the game for someone else
14:36 jas_ and lots of people in the community hate the name so i still don't get that
14:36 jas_ i understand the dislike for the name.  but i personally am quite fond of it, now.
14:37 jas_ https://i.imgur.com/5XM4DqD.png
14:39 rubenwardy Are you a native English speaker?
14:39 jas_ me?
14:39 jas_ moi?
14:39 jas_ haha, yes
14:39 rubenwardy It usually sounds worse for them, and not so bad for certain other languages
14:39 rubenwardy Ah right
14:39 jas_ true, i heard that
14:40 rubenwardy That was my point though, you're used to it now :D
14:40 jas_ "test" meaning other things on other languages
14:40 jas_ but... in terms of computer games, "test" should be relatively clear
14:40 jas_ if not, well, so what?
14:41 rubenwardy What are we testing though?
14:41 jas_ whatever you want to test
14:41 rubenwardy The name was because Minetest was just a test
14:41 rubenwardy A test of programming skills
14:41 jas_ what's changed?
14:41 rubenwardy It's a more serious stable game/engibe
14:41 jas_ the problem is you can't lose the name without losing a big part of its presense
14:41 rubenwardy Not a developer test
14:42 jas_ like name changes are kinda a big deal after a certain threshold
14:42 jas_ i know it's easy to dismiss the game because of the name "test", but i think that's actually benefited in the past.
14:42 rubenwardy I'd argue that we'd get more users overall after the change, especially if we have people working on targeting for schools etc
14:43 jas_ only one good way to find out
14:43 jas_ at the end of the day, it's just a name.  i would play it regardless.  change is good.
14:43 rubenwardy Internet redirects are a thing, it's just people that already know about or heard about it
14:44 jas_ we could just start calling it something else unofficially, and if it picks up steam change the name outright.  just shitstorming
14:44 jas_ o/
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15:24 shivajiva lets call it FlatEarth :D
15:26 Amaz shiva, but you can make round earths in it :P
15:27 Amaz And it's only really flat if you use the flat mapgen :D
15:27 Amaz And you can't fall off the edges :(
15:27 Amaz :P
15:27 shivajiva then we can all be FlatEarthers...yea I'm just messing, it's quite topical atm
15:28 Amaz :P
15:29 shivajiva just need some silicon trees and a mining operation and we reflect reality :P
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17:07 Fixer rubenwardy: is there any videos for the conference?
17:08 Fixer are there*
17:09 Fixer jas_: you like working with formspecs? your last name is probably Mazoh (or how he was called)
17:09 Fixer rubenwardy: we can find better name for minetest
17:10 benrob0329 Fixer: Blockland
17:13 Fixer Minetest Alpha 17.666.1024
17:13 Fixer now in steam greenlight or smth
17:13 Fixer on steam
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17:13 IhrFussel Hello guys
17:13 Fixer Minetest Is Doing
17:14 Fixer rubenwardy: test of celeron55 skill has been succesful, now rename that thing :)
17:17 Fixer successful
17:17 Fixer hm
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17:26 benrob0329 SuccessfulCraft
17:28 CalebDavis Build-n-Mine
17:32 Krock Alphamine 7.666.1337
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17:40 IhrFussel If the server lag gets worse with more players it's likely something in the global step right?
17:41 IhrFussel More players = longer loops = more data to process/compare/calculate
17:53 Fixer Krock: Omegamine 0.02a-35433-git
17:55 Fixer *utilises gzdoom engine
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18:16 celeron55 the best name suggestion i've heard to this date is paramat's Kuutio
18:17 Krock sounds cute
18:19 celeron55 personally i wouldn't mind changing the name to that (it's simply "cube" in finnish)
18:20 celeron55 some people didn't seem to like it the last time i mentioned i liked it, though
18:20 Calinou sounds ok to me
18:20 Calinou that means the GUI shold be redone with Qt
18:20 * Calinou hides
18:23 * Krock shoots Calinou straight into the sun
18:24 * benrob0329 shoves the KDE libraries off a cliff
18:28 Fixer cute but impossible to remember
18:28 Fixer even qtpfsgui is easier to remember
18:41 Krock Rename it to 12648430. Or easier to remember: 0xC0FFEE
18:41 Krock because it has no relation to coffee at all
18:43 * Shara thinks Kuutio beats Minetest
18:43 * Krock thinks renaming it would only cause more legacy garbage to ship
18:44 Shara We got asked about the name a lot at #live
18:44 Shara People even seemed to find it a bit offputting
18:47 celeron55 Krock: for sure technically MT would have two names from there on, if the name is changed
18:50 IhrFussel How about BiMiDiCr ? xP
18:51 IhrFussel BuMiDiCr*
18:51 Krock DoReMiFaSo
18:51 IhrFussel "Build, Mine, Dig, Craft"
18:52 Shara I don't know if there is a good answer, just that it is a problem.
18:53 shivajiva I can support Kuutio, what serious options do we have that imply what it is versus a branding. Its not a clone of minecraft after all, correct me if I'm wrong
18:55 Shara shivajiva: I hope you're not wrong. :)
18:55 sofar honestly if we rename we shouldn't come up with something ourselves, none of us have any branding experience most likely and naming projects can be a legal pitfall
18:55 benrob0329 Voxelaria
18:55 shivajiva only thing that matters is it appears in a search of mc alternatives
18:55 sofar you also really should do market research and get users that don't know minetest
18:55 benrob0329 also, is Kuutio pronounced "Cute-ee-oh"?
18:56 sofar plus there's the trademark issues
18:56 sofar also, kuutio will get a lot of laughs in the netherlands
18:56 sofar some things may not sound so appropriate in other languages
18:56 Fixer minetest is getting laughs in any country anyway
18:57 benrob0329 CraftMine
18:57 Krock +1 for CraftMine. The best suggestion so far
18:57 sofar yes but it doesn't much sound like a slang word for vagina I bet in ukranian
18:57 Shara sofar: No one takes the name "minetest" seriously. I don't think anyone is arguing against a little research, just that it's something that could be good
18:57 shivajiva hahaha
18:57 Fixer IrrVoxel (/me runs)
18:57 Fixer worst name ever
18:57 Krock INodeGame
18:58 benrob0329 VoxeLibre
18:58 sofar the 'minetest' name is terrible
18:58 sofar almost beats 'mese'
18:58 benrob0329 Don't shit on mese :-)
18:58 sofar I don't need to, the name already does it itself
18:59 Krock heh, mese is great. Nothing to do with the gme.
18:59 Shara I really dislike all the suggestions including mine/craft/voxel/block and other generic things as well though
18:59 shivajiva I used to like Marathon, it seemed fine but for some reason it's Snickers now...still like the chocolate bar...that didn't change
18:59 benrob0329 sofar: \*dips in liquid nitrogen\*
19:00 Fixer i agree minetest is terrible :(
19:00 Krock comment exploit */
19:00 shivajiva mindtest is more appropriate
19:00 Fixer Minebug
19:00 Krock Minefeature
19:00 benrob0329 git clone https://github.com/c55/blockgame.git
19:00 Krock Minefeature by design
19:01 benrob0329 voxel.lua
19:01 sofar "blockmind"
19:01 benrob0329 Segmentation Fault: Core Dumped
19:01 Fixer name should be rememberable
19:02 IhrFussel NodeTopia
19:02 shivajiva it would be nice to infer the inner world and the creativity
19:02 Krock benrob0329, nice name suggestion
19:02 benrob0329 Zahar
19:02 sofar well blockmind or cubemind would do that
19:03 Shara sofar: sound kind of like a boring game somehow
19:03 sofar they're not really good names, and therefore they're likely to work really well
19:03 shivajiva lol
19:03 sofar i.e. low chance of conflicts
19:03 IhrFussel ViVoGa "Virtual Voxel Game"
19:03 Krock NotABoringVoxelBlockGame
19:03 sofar would do well in google searches
19:03 Fixer CubeHead
19:03 sofar easy to write and remember
19:03 Shara though better than almost all suggestions sadly.
19:03 sofar I'd refrain from using "head" in any name
19:03 Fixer totallynotaripoffname
19:03 Fixer yeah
19:04 Fixer kinda offensive
19:04 IhrFussel NMC Not MineCraft /s
19:05 shivajiva TNMC
19:05 Fixer lol
19:05 Fixer it is getting worse
19:05 shivajiva ikr
19:05 Fixer Minetest Is Not Minecraft Emulator
19:05 Fixer MINME
19:06 shivajiva need to squeeze another I in
19:06 Fixer i know
19:06 Fixer Minetest Is Not Obvious Minecraft Emulator
19:06 Fixer Minome
19:06 IhrFussel We should probably decide on terms that should not be part of the name... is anyone against including "voxel"?
19:06 Fixer too nerdy
19:07 Fixer i almost feel debug presense
19:07 Krock MINAMC - Minetest is not a Minecraft copy
19:07 IhrFussel Noe too nerdy too?
19:07 IhrFussel Node*
19:07 VanessaE oh G*d we're doing this again?
19:07 Shara I dislike voxel
19:07 Fixer Krock: MANIAC
19:07 Fixer i go for maniac
19:08 Fixer IhrFussel: very nerdy
19:08 Fixer voxel/node is too sciency
19:09 Shara "voxel" to me sounds like someone was trying too hard to sound cool, and it fails
19:09 Fixer exactly
19:10 IhrFussel BloPar Block Paradise xP
19:12 benrob0329 everyone missed my joke -_-
19:13 benrob0329 I suppose its an obscure joke though so <insert shrug here>
19:14 sofar the discussion is largely pointless since the obvious answer is to pick something that is recognizable but likely boring/uninteresting. And nobody would go for that.
19:15 Fixer just don't rename it to smth silly as minetest
19:15 sofar hence names like cubemind/blockmind are just going to get shrugged off
19:16 VanessaE sofar: make it something like the Japanese would do.  4-6 words, with a bang, like Super Happy Dig Time Go!  or some such :P
19:16 sofar that's also an option, but it would really change the image
19:17 sofar "super shovel dig time!" is going to leave some players confused
19:17 VanessaE oh G*d.
19:17 sofar they'd expect a lot more anime eyes on player skins, too
19:18 sofar I've gone through a bunch of brand renaming exercises at work
19:18 sofar I can honestly say, the next name will be worse, no matter what
19:18 benrob0329 sofar: I think anime comes with more than big eyes if I remember correctly...
19:18 shivajiva yea weird hairstyles :)
19:19 VanessaE Verrarium - virtual terrarium. :P
19:19 VanessaE (only 56 results on google for that)
19:19 shivajiva sofar: it might be something simple and catchy
19:20 VanessaE (ok that one is boring)
19:21 shivajiva too much like Valium :P
19:22 Fixer VanessaE: like Open Syobon Action...
19:22 Fixer "super shovel dig time! Activate!"
19:23 Fixer great mario clone btw
19:24 Fixer Blockfield 2017
19:24 Fixer Medal of honour: Voxel Crafting
19:24 Fixer Call of Blocks
19:25 Fixer hmmm
19:25 Fixer actually Call of Blocks is not that bad to me
19:26 shivajiva InCubus
19:26 CalebDavis cob sounds corny XD
19:26 Fixer Need for Blocks
19:26 VanessaE Call of MESE
19:26 VanessaE Need for MESE, even better/.
19:26 sofar except making a name similar to a AAA game from a studio that tends to sue people isn't a good idea
19:26 VanessaE you gotta keep that word in there you know
19:26 Fixer VanessaE: what is mese?
19:26 sofar if you use `mese` in the new name I'm going to delete minetest from all my computers
19:26 VanessaE aw
19:26 Fixer REMOVE
19:27 VanessaE well what else can you think of that's unique to minetest?
19:27 sofar that's one way to get a name
19:28 sofar but what if that changes?
19:28 CalebDavis Gamethatsnotagameitsanengine XD
19:28 Fixer lol
19:28 VanessaE the idea being, sofar, that you pick something that by definition will never chance
19:28 VanessaE just as you'd never get rid of stone or cobble, so should it be with mese.
19:28 Fixer we need to stop treat minetest as engine only
19:28 sofar there's no mese on "Inside the Box"
19:28 VanessaE sofar: ITB isn't Minetest :P
19:29 VanessaE (btw good to see you're still developing that)
19:29 Fixer ShadowBlocking
19:29 sofar if you take Mese out of minetest game, nothing of value would be lost
19:29 sofar so it's not defining
19:29 VanessaE meh
19:29 VanessaE well what one obvious feature of the engine do we have that no one else does?
19:30 sofar "modcraft"
19:30 sofar we haz mods
19:30 VanessaE meh
19:30 sofar afk nutrition
19:30 VanessaE that makes it sound like it's all about writing mods instead of playing a game
19:30 Fixer yeah
19:32 CalebDavis ohh if we rename it to modcraft it would have the initials MC XD
19:33 Fixer lol
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19:41 benrob0329 MC:ME, Minecraft: Mods Edition
19:42 CalebDavis that would have trademark issues
19:46 benrob0329 Just a few, couldn't be that bad
19:49 CalebDavis the name Minecraft is trademarked by microsoft so it coult end up shutting down the project
19:49 rubenwardy benrob0329 is obviously joking :P
19:49 rubenwardy we also need to go through MTG textures, and make sure they're not too similar
19:50 rubenwardy as we don't know if the author used the MC ones as a guide - which is a copyright violation
19:50 benrob0329 rubenwardy: I think MTG needs an artstyle more than it needs to be different from MC
19:51 rubenwardy that too, but we don't legally need to have a consistent art style
19:54 CalebDavis the funny thing is even though alot of people wont want to change the name a few years after it gets changed people will look back at the name minetest and laugh
19:54 Shara CalebDavis: They are already laughing
19:54 CalebDavis XD true
19:55 Shara You really realise it when physically standing in front of people and seeing/hearing the reactions
19:55 rubenwardy the first guy to come near the stall gave a weird look and continued onto KDE XD
19:56 Krock they must pass Minetest before going somewhere else
19:57 Calinou my parents were wondering what Minetest is
19:57 Calinou "is it a test?"
19:58 CalebDavis i think that if we are going to change the name now would definetly be the best time when we are already breaking compatibility on so many levels for 0.5.0
19:59 Krock Calinou, a very difficult one. You must spend your lifetime on it
19:59 Calinou "There is no test. You are just living in a matrix"
20:00 Krock a 64000^3 matrix that you can modify
20:00 IhrFussel https://howsecureismypassword.net/
20:00 VanessaE CalebDavis makes a good point
20:01 Krock IhrFussel, http://www.trypap.com/
20:01 CWz ello VanessaE
20:01 VanessaE hi
20:01 IhrFussel It says the password of my dedi is secure for 6 million years
20:02 rubenwardy no it's not
20:02 shivajiva good job they can just see the raw data huh
20:02 Krock duh.. the pass I use on server is just 19 hours :3
20:02 rubenwardy it's already cracked
20:02 rubenwardy you gave it to some website
20:03 VanessaE I guess my password would be secure for eternity... since I only use ssh keys :)
20:03 CalebDavis it says mine is secure for 11 trillion years
20:03 rubenwardy also, it's a stupid test
20:03 rubenwardy most passwords above a certain strength aren't cracked, they're leaked
20:04 rubenwardy so a very secure password is pointless if you use it for every site
20:04 Krock https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxCXvYuCcAA-zpM.png
20:04 IhrFussel rubenwardy, I'm not stupid, the source code is on github
20:04 Shara RC's keyword for interact would take two years based on this. For some reason that amuses me :)
20:05 IhrFussel "Your password will not be sent over the internet."
20:05 VanessaE how secure is "correcthorsebatterystaple" ?  :)
20:06 rubenwardy 7
20:08 IhrFussel VanessaE, "It would take a computer about 7 quadrillion years to crack your password"
20:08 VanessaE heh
20:08 rubenwardy or one site with sha1
20:09 IhrFussel The site is pretty good, it says "instant crack" when you enter password, 123456, berlin, germany and many other common used words
20:13 IhrFussel It's weird though that the site says "300 picoseconds" for 1 and instant for 1111
20:18 benrob0329 "I should see how secure my password is"
20:18 benrob0329 \>gives it to a strange website, over normal http on a non encrypted wifi connection
20:26 IhrFussel The site is HTTPS, there is no connection to the internet and it's OSS ... at least the site I posted
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22:32 CalebDavis h Aerozoic
22:32 CalebDavis hi^
22:32 Aerozoic wazup CalebDavis
22:43 CalebDavis not much
22:58 Fixer ehhh
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