Time Nick Message 00:09 Fixer that sucks 00:09 Fixer it is outdated android, ofc 00:09 Fixer no worries 00:19 Fixer data is already stolen by Google anyway 00:21 Calinou what happened to rubenwardy? I didn't understand 00:21 Calinou and Shara 00:21 sfan5 ?.? 00:23 Megaf IRC just gets the link to the file in the room 00:23 Megaf so does your Matrix client 00:23 Megaf it just, as WhatsApp, Skype and any other IM really, shows a preview of the image 00:29 benrob0329 Megaf: technically yes 00:38 Shara Calinou: we were both at the freenode live conference 00:40 Calinou did one of you got their phone stolen? 00:41 Calinou The Freenode staff were very nicw 00:41 Calinou also, they finally started being nice to me, they gave me a cloak this month :P 00:41 Calinou I thought they'd deny because I have many ongoing bans 00:41 Calinou but now that most bans are account-based now… 00:59 Jordach Khajiit has shit post if you have karma. 01:20 Megaf Hijiri, Hi there, you are not identified 06:38 sofar please upvote https://imgur.com/gallery/PYkyK 06:38 sofar *beg* 09:04 Calinou imgur compression is bae, as we can see :P 11:44 rubenwardy Calinou, Shara nicked my phone to talk on IRC 11:46 Calinou ah 11:47 rubenwardy There was an open bar and lots of good food 11:48 rubenwardy a very nice weekend 11:57 Shara I'm pretending it's still the weekend :) 11:58 rubenwardy So many people thought we were a mod for Minecraft 11:59 rubenwardy Or asked why the name was so shit 11:59 rubenwardy So... 12:00 Shara Though we did have quite a few people who seemed interested in MT as well.. it's just whether or not any of them show up 12:00 rubenwardy Yeah 12:03 rubenwardy Somebody thought we were a testing suite for MC 12:04 Shara I wonder what part of "open source" conference they missed 12:07 rubenwardy Very true 12:07 rubenwardy Even a boring name is better than the one we have 12:07 rubenwardy Although I'd have to reprint all the materials :P 12:08 Shara :P 12:09 rubenwardy It's not our biggest problem though 12:09 rubenwardy **cough** MTG **cough** 12:09 rubenwardy **cough** formspecs **cough** 12:11 Shara I'd say MTG is the larger issue. 12:12 Shara That's generally what a person coming in for the first time experiences 12:45 CWz kind of wish someone would remove the stupid herobrine skin from the skindatabase that meme is freaking idiotic 12:46 nerzhul rubenwardy, **cough** network performance **cough** 12:56 Fixer rubenwardy: did you mention that MTG NEEDS HELP!!!!!!!111 IT DIES!11 12:57 rubenwardy That's hardly the worst thing , nrz 12:57 rubenwardy It's hardly even a problem 14:12 jas_ i like the name minetest, i like minetest_game, and generally enjoy working with formspecs 14:20 rubenwardy Lol 14:20 rubenwardy There's selection bias 14:21 rubenwardy Everyone here is used to the name Minetest, and also was able to get past it 14:21 rubenwardy I frankly avoid mentioning the name of this project as much as possible because it's embarrassing 14:29 jas_ i think it sounds cool. plus, i like both mining and testing. 14:31 jas_ and i don't know what selection bias means 14:35 Hijiri it means if you hated the name you wouldn't have joined the community in the first place 14:35 jas_ oh, i hated the name at first 14:35 jas_ i downloaded the game for someone else 14:36 jas_ and lots of people in the community hate the name so i still don't get that 14:36 jas_ i understand the dislike for the name. but i personally am quite fond of it, now. 14:37 jas_ https://i.imgur.com/5XM4DqD.png 14:39 rubenwardy Are you a native English speaker? 14:39 jas_ me? 14:39 jas_ moi? 14:39 jas_ haha, yes 14:39 rubenwardy It usually sounds worse for them, and not so bad for certain other languages 14:39 rubenwardy Ah right 14:39 jas_ true, i heard that 14:40 rubenwardy That was my point though, you're used to it now :D 14:40 jas_ "test" meaning other things on other languages 14:40 jas_ but... in terms of computer games, "test" should be relatively clear 14:40 jas_ if not, well, so what? 14:41 rubenwardy What are we testing though? 14:41 jas_ whatever you want to test 14:41 rubenwardy The name was because Minetest was just a test 14:41 rubenwardy A test of programming skills 14:41 jas_ what's changed? 14:41 rubenwardy It's a more serious stable game/engibe 14:41 jas_ the problem is you can't lose the name without losing a big part of its presense 14:41 rubenwardy Not a developer test 14:42 jas_ like name changes are kinda a big deal after a certain threshold 14:42 jas_ i know it's easy to dismiss the game because of the name "test", but i think that's actually benefited in the past. 14:42 rubenwardy I'd argue that we'd get more users overall after the change, especially if we have people working on targeting for schools etc 14:43 jas_ only one good way to find out 14:43 jas_ at the end of the day, it's just a name. i would play it regardless. change is good. 14:43 rubenwardy Internet redirects are a thing, it's just people that already know about or heard about it 14:44 jas_ we could just start calling it something else unofficially, and if it picks up steam change the name outright. just shitstorming 14:44 jas_ o/ 15:24 shivajiva lets call it FlatEarth :D 15:26 Amaz shiva, but you can make round earths in it :P 15:27 Amaz And it's only really flat if you use the flat mapgen :D 15:27 Amaz And you can't fall off the edges :( 15:27 Amaz :P 15:27 shivajiva then we can all be FlatEarthers...yea I'm just messing, it's quite topical atm 15:28 Amaz :P 15:29 shivajiva just need some silicon trees and a mining operation and we reflect reality :P 17:07 Fixer rubenwardy: is there any videos for the conference? 17:08 Fixer are there* 17:09 Fixer jas_: you like working with formspecs? your last name is probably Mazoh (or how he was called) 17:09 Fixer rubenwardy: we can find better name for minetest 17:10 benrob0329 Fixer: Blockland 17:13 Fixer Minetest Alpha 17.666.1024 17:13 Fixer now in steam greenlight or smth 17:13 Fixer on steam 17:13 IhrFussel Hello guys 17:13 Fixer Minetest Is Doing 17:14 Fixer rubenwardy: test of celeron55 skill has been succesful, now rename that thing :) 17:17 Fixer successful 17:17 Fixer hm 17:26 benrob0329 SuccessfulCraft 17:28 CalebDavis Build-n-Mine 17:32 Krock Alphamine 7.666.1337 17:40 IhrFussel If the server lag gets worse with more players it's likely something in the global step right? 17:41 IhrFussel More players = longer loops = more data to process/compare/calculate 17:53 Fixer Krock: Omegamine 0.02a-35433-git 17:55 Fixer *utilises gzdoom engine 18:16 celeron55 the best name suggestion i've heard to this date is paramat's Kuutio 18:17 Krock sounds cute 18:19 celeron55 personally i wouldn't mind changing the name to that (it's simply "cube" in finnish) 18:20 celeron55 some people didn't seem to like it the last time i mentioned i liked it, though 18:20 Calinou sounds ok to me 18:20 Calinou that means the GUI shold be redone with Qt 18:20 * Calinou hides 18:23 * Krock shoots Calinou straight into the sun 18:24 * benrob0329 shoves the KDE libraries off a cliff 18:28 Fixer cute but impossible to remember 18:28 Fixer even qtpfsgui is easier to remember 18:41 Krock Rename it to 12648430. Or easier to remember: 0xC0FFEE 18:41 Krock because it has no relation to coffee at all 18:43 * Shara thinks Kuutio beats Minetest 18:43 * Krock thinks renaming it would only cause more legacy garbage to ship 18:44 Shara We got asked about the name a lot at #live 18:44 Shara People even seemed to find it a bit offputting 18:47 celeron55 Krock: for sure technically MT would have two names from there on, if the name is changed 18:50 IhrFussel How about BiMiDiCr ? xP 18:51 IhrFussel BuMiDiCr* 18:51 Krock DoReMiFaSo 18:51 IhrFussel "Build, Mine, Dig, Craft" 18:52 Shara I don't know if there is a good answer, just that it is a problem. 18:53 shivajiva I can support Kuutio, what serious options do we have that imply what it is versus a branding. Its not a clone of minecraft after all, correct me if I'm wrong 18:55 Shara shivajiva: I hope you're not wrong. :) 18:55 sofar honestly if we rename we shouldn't come up with something ourselves, none of us have any branding experience most likely and naming projects can be a legal pitfall 18:55 benrob0329 Voxelaria 18:55 shivajiva only thing that matters is it appears in a search of mc alternatives 18:55 sofar you also really should do market research and get users that don't know minetest 18:55 benrob0329 also, is Kuutio pronounced "Cute-ee-oh"? 18:56 sofar plus there's the trademark issues 18:56 sofar also, kuutio will get a lot of laughs in the netherlands 18:56 sofar some things may not sound so appropriate in other languages 18:56 Fixer minetest is getting laughs in any country anyway 18:57 benrob0329 CraftMine 18:57 Krock +1 for CraftMine. The best suggestion so far 18:57 sofar yes but it doesn't much sound like a slang word for vagina I bet in ukranian 18:57 Shara sofar: No one takes the name "minetest" seriously. I don't think anyone is arguing against a little research, just that it's something that could be good 18:57 shivajiva hahaha 18:57 Fixer IrrVoxel (/me runs) 18:57 Fixer worst name ever 18:57 Krock INodeGame 18:58 benrob0329 VoxeLibre 18:58 sofar the 'minetest' name is terrible 18:58 sofar almost beats 'mese' 18:58 benrob0329 Don't shit on mese :-) 18:58 sofar I don't need to, the name already does it itself 18:59 Krock heh, mese is great. Nothing to do with the gme. 18:59 Shara I really dislike all the suggestions including mine/craft/voxel/block and other generic things as well though 18:59 shivajiva I used to like Marathon, it seemed fine but for some reason it's Snickers now...still like the chocolate bar...that didn't change 18:59 benrob0329 sofar: \*dips in liquid nitrogen\* 19:00 Fixer i agree minetest is terrible :( 19:00 Krock comment exploit */ 19:00 shivajiva mindtest is more appropriate 19:00 Fixer Minebug 19:00 Krock Minefeature 19:00 benrob0329 git clone https://github.com/c55/blockgame.git 19:00 Krock Minefeature by design 19:01 benrob0329 voxel.lua 19:01 sofar "blockmind" 19:01 benrob0329 Segmentation Fault: Core Dumped 19:01 Fixer name should be rememberable 19:02 IhrFussel NodeTopia 19:02 shivajiva it would be nice to infer the inner world and the creativity 19:02 Krock benrob0329, nice name suggestion 19:02 benrob0329 Zahar 19:02 sofar well blockmind or cubemind would do that 19:03 Shara sofar: sound kind of like a boring game somehow 19:03 sofar they're not really good names, and therefore they're likely to work really well 19:03 shivajiva lol 19:03 sofar i.e. low chance of conflicts 19:03 IhrFussel ViVoGa "Virtual Voxel Game" 19:03 Krock NotABoringVoxelBlockGame 19:03 sofar would do well in google searches 19:03 Fixer CubeHead 19:03 sofar easy to write and remember 19:03 Shara though better than almost all suggestions sadly. 19:03 sofar I'd refrain from using "head" in any name 19:03 Fixer totallynotaripoffname 19:03 Fixer yeah 19:04 Fixer kinda offensive 19:04 IhrFussel NMC Not MineCraft /s 19:05 shivajiva TNMC 19:05 Fixer lol 19:05 Fixer it is getting worse 19:05 shivajiva ikr 19:05 Fixer Minetest Is Not Minecraft Emulator 19:05 Fixer MINME 19:06 shivajiva need to squeeze another I in 19:06 Fixer i know 19:06 Fixer Minetest Is Not Obvious Minecraft Emulator 19:06 Fixer Minome 19:06 IhrFussel We should probably decide on terms that should not be part of the name... is anyone against including "voxel"? 19:06 Fixer too nerdy 19:07 Fixer i almost feel debug presense 19:07 Krock MINAMC - Minetest is not a Minecraft copy 19:07 IhrFussel Noe too nerdy too? 19:07 IhrFussel Node* 19:07 VanessaE oh G*d we're doing this again? 19:07 Shara I dislike voxel 19:07 Fixer Krock: MANIAC 19:07 Fixer i go for maniac 19:08 Fixer IhrFussel: very nerdy 19:08 Fixer voxel/node is too sciency 19:09 Shara "voxel" to me sounds like someone was trying too hard to sound cool, and it fails 19:09 Fixer exactly 19:10 IhrFussel BloPar Block Paradise xP 19:12 benrob0329 everyone missed my joke -_- 19:13 benrob0329 I suppose its an obscure joke though so 19:14 sofar the discussion is largely pointless since the obvious answer is to pick something that is recognizable but likely boring/uninteresting. And nobody would go for that. 19:15 Fixer just don't rename it to smth silly as minetest 19:15 sofar hence names like cubemind/blockmind are just going to get shrugged off 19:16 VanessaE sofar: make it something like the Japanese would do. 4-6 words, with a bang, like Super Happy Dig Time Go! or some such :P 19:16 sofar that's also an option, but it would really change the image 19:17 sofar "super shovel dig time!" is going to leave some players confused 19:17 VanessaE oh G*d. 19:17 sofar they'd expect a lot more anime eyes on player skins, too 19:18 sofar I've gone through a bunch of brand renaming exercises at work 19:18 sofar I can honestly say, the next name will be worse, no matter what 19:18 benrob0329 sofar: I think anime comes with more than big eyes if I remember correctly... 19:18 shivajiva yea weird hairstyles :) 19:19 VanessaE Verrarium - virtual terrarium. :P 19:19 VanessaE (only 56 results on google for that) 19:19 shivajiva sofar: it might be something simple and catchy 19:20 VanessaE (ok that one is boring) 19:21 shivajiva too much like Valium :P 19:22 Fixer VanessaE: like Open Syobon Action... 19:22 Fixer "super shovel dig time! Activate!" 19:23 Fixer great mario clone btw 19:24 Fixer Blockfield 2017 19:24 Fixer Medal of honour: Voxel Crafting 19:24 Fixer Call of Blocks 19:25 Fixer hmmm 19:25 Fixer actually Call of Blocks is not that bad to me 19:26 shivajiva InCubus 19:26 CalebDavis cob sounds corny XD 19:26 Fixer Need for Blocks 19:26 VanessaE Call of MESE 19:26 VanessaE Need for MESE, even better/. 19:26 sofar except making a name similar to a AAA game from a studio that tends to sue people isn't a good idea 19:26 VanessaE you gotta keep that word in there you know 19:26 Fixer VanessaE: what is mese? 19:26 sofar if you use `mese` in the new name I'm going to delete minetest from all my computers 19:26 VanessaE aw 19:26 Fixer REMOVE 19:27 VanessaE well what else can you think of that's unique to minetest? 19:27 sofar that's one way to get a name 19:28 sofar but what if that changes? 19:28 CalebDavis Gamethatsnotagameitsanengine XD 19:28 Fixer lol 19:28 VanessaE the idea being, sofar, that you pick something that by definition will never chance 19:28 VanessaE just as you'd never get rid of stone or cobble, so should it be with mese. 19:28 Fixer we need to stop treat minetest as engine only 19:28 sofar there's no mese on "Inside the Box" 19:28 VanessaE sofar: ITB isn't Minetest :P 19:29 VanessaE (btw good to see you're still developing that) 19:29 Fixer ShadowBlocking 19:29 sofar if you take Mese out of minetest game, nothing of value would be lost 19:29 sofar so it's not defining 19:29 VanessaE meh 19:29 VanessaE well what one obvious feature of the engine do we have that no one else does? 19:30 sofar "modcraft" 19:30 sofar we haz mods 19:30 VanessaE meh 19:30 sofar afk nutrition 19:30 VanessaE that makes it sound like it's all about writing mods instead of playing a game 19:30 Fixer yeah 19:32 CalebDavis ohh if we rename it to modcraft it would have the initials MC XD 19:33 Fixer lol 19:41 benrob0329 MC:ME, Minecraft: Mods Edition 19:42 CalebDavis that would have trademark issues 19:46 benrob0329 Just a few, couldn't be that bad 19:49 CalebDavis the name Minecraft is trademarked by microsoft so it coult end up shutting down the project 19:49 rubenwardy benrob0329 is obviously joking :P 19:49 rubenwardy we also need to go through MTG textures, and make sure they're not too similar 19:50 rubenwardy as we don't know if the author used the MC ones as a guide - which is a copyright violation 19:50 benrob0329 rubenwardy: I think MTG needs an artstyle more than it needs to be different from MC 19:51 rubenwardy that too, but we don't legally need to have a consistent art style 19:54 CalebDavis the funny thing is even though alot of people wont want to change the name a few years after it gets changed people will look back at the name minetest and laugh 19:54 Shara CalebDavis: They are already laughing 19:54 CalebDavis XD true 19:55 Shara You really realise it when physically standing in front of people and seeing/hearing the reactions 19:55 rubenwardy the first guy to come near the stall gave a weird look and continued onto KDE XD 19:56 Krock they must pass Minetest before going somewhere else 19:57 Calinou my parents were wondering what Minetest is 19:57 Calinou "is it a test?" 19:58 CalebDavis i think that if we are going to change the name now would definetly be the best time when we are already breaking compatibility on so many levels for 0.5.0 19:59 Krock Calinou, a very difficult one. You must spend your lifetime on it 19:59 Calinou "There is no test. You are just living in a matrix" 20:00 Krock a 64000^3 matrix that you can modify 20:00 IhrFussel https://howsecureismypassword.net/ 20:00 VanessaE CalebDavis makes a good point 20:01 Krock IhrFussel, http://www.trypap.com/ 20:01 CWz ello VanessaE 20:01 VanessaE hi 20:01 IhrFussel It says the password of my dedi is secure for 6 million years 20:02 rubenwardy no it's not 20:02 shivajiva good job they can just see the raw data huh 20:02 Krock duh.. the pass I use on server is just 19 hours :3 20:02 rubenwardy it's already cracked 20:02 rubenwardy you gave it to some website 20:03 VanessaE I guess my password would be secure for eternity... since I only use ssh keys :) 20:03 CalebDavis it says mine is secure for 11 trillion years 20:03 rubenwardy also, it's a stupid test 20:03 rubenwardy most passwords above a certain strength aren't cracked, they're leaked 20:04 rubenwardy so a very secure password is pointless if you use it for every site 20:04 Krock https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxCXvYuCcAA-zpM.png 20:04 IhrFussel rubenwardy, I'm not stupid, the source code is on github 20:04 Shara RC's keyword for interact would take two years based on this. For some reason that amuses me :) 20:05 IhrFussel "Your password will not be sent over the internet." 20:05 VanessaE how secure is "correcthorsebatterystaple" ? :) 20:06 rubenwardy 7 20:08 IhrFussel VanessaE, "It would take a computer about 7 quadrillion years to crack your password" 20:08 VanessaE heh 20:08 rubenwardy or one site with sha1 20:09 IhrFussel The site is pretty good, it says "instant crack" when you enter password, 123456, berlin, germany and many other common used words 20:13 IhrFussel It's weird though that the site says "300 picoseconds" for 1 and instant for 1111 20:18 benrob0329 "I should see how secure my password is" 20:18 benrob0329 \>gives it to a strange website, over normal http on a non encrypted wifi connection 20:26 IhrFussel The site is HTTPS, there is no connection to the internet and it's OSS ... at least the site I posted 22:32 CalebDavis h Aerozoic 22:32 CalebDavis hi^ 22:32 Aerozoic wazup CalebDavis 22:43 CalebDavis not much 22:58 Fixer ehhh