| Time |
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| 00:23 |
benrob0329 |
nerzhul: is it possible to add a git option to the FreeBSD port? |
| 00:24 |
benrob0329 |
That could be a cool way of building git without needing a separate package |
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| 02:15 |
ircSparky |
can an object set its model or texture to a model or texture file from a different mod? |
| 02:17 |
paramat |
yes if it depends on that mod |
| 02:17 |
ircSparky |
ok |
| 02:18 |
paramat |
or, i expect so :] |
| 02:18 |
ircSparky |
so there wouldn't be an easy way to change a player's model with //lua from WE? |
| 02:18 |
ircSparky |
(turn them into a chicken) |
| 02:22 |
paramat |
not sure what // can do in WE |
| 02:23 |
ircSparky |
what i tried was |
| 02:23 |
ircSparky |
//lua minetest.get_player_by_name("sparky"):set_properties({mesh = "creatures:creatures_chicken.b3d" }) |
| 02:24 |
ircSparky |
but it sounds like that would only workif the model was saved in worldedit, or a dependant mod |
| 02:33 |
benrob0329 |
ircSparky: you could add a custom mod as an optional dependency of WE |
| 02:33 |
benrob0329 |
And have that mod depend on all the others |
| 02:34 |
ircSparky |
k, thanks! |
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| 03:22 |
benrob0329 |
https://youtu.be/IrACoP5Rehg |
| 03:22 |
benrob0329 |
Why do I feel like Minetest could be that engine, if we pushed it a little |
| 03:26 |
sofar |
because you have unrealistic expectations? |
| 03:26 |
sofar |
:P |
| 03:28 |
benrob0329 |
sofar: Half Life is from 1996, surely we can at least reach that level of modernness? |
| 03:29 |
sofar |
I'm not even sure what you think is bad about minetest. in essence I see nothing that MT couldn't do |
| 03:29 |
benrob0329 |
It lacks real physics, proper lighting, shaders of any kind |
| 03:30 |
sofar |
that video wasn't exactly rich on shaders either |
| 03:30 |
benrob0329 |
Our biggest problem is how much of a pain entities are to work with |
| 03:31 |
benrob0329 |
And how laggy particles are |
| 03:31 |
sofar |
solution: entity_ai |
| 03:31 |
sofar |
solution: csm particles |
| 03:31 |
benrob0329 |
Exactly |
| 03:31 |
sofar |
plus csm code sending |
| 03:31 |
benrob0329 |
Minetest could be used for that kind of mapping |
| 03:32 |
benrob0329 |
Solution: actually saving all entities |
| 03:32 |
benrob0329 |
Or is that not a problem anymore? |
| 03:33 |
sofar |
they're already saved |
| 03:33 |
sofar |
the remaining issue is that /clearobjects nukes them |
| 03:33 |
sofar |
plus, irregardless, the problem isn't saving entities |
| 03:33 |
sofar |
the problem is a proper spawning engine |
| 03:34 |
sofar |
something I intend to tackle along with entity_ai |
| 03:34 |
benrob0329 |
Also, we don't have a handy way to have look, but don't touch maps |
| 03:34 |
benrob0329 |
Or gamemode included maps |
| 03:35 |
benrob0329 |
You would have to define all custom nodes |
| 03:36 |
benrob0329 |
And then you have to use special tools to edit (as we see with insidethebox) |
| 03:38 |
sofar |
huh? |
| 03:39 |
sofar |
insidethebox's edit tool was a quick workaroung an engine bug |
| 03:39 |
sofar |
one that was fixed in 0.4.16 |
| 03:39 |
sofar |
so we're phasing the edit tool out atm |
| 03:40 |
sofar |
player specific "no touch" maps could be easily implemented already |
| 03:40 |
sofar |
just remove the interact priv, for instance |
| 03:40 |
sofar |
that's just one solution |
| 03:40 |
sofar |
besides, if any, itb demonstrates that all these things are possible and doable |
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| 03:50 |
benrob0329 |
sofar: no ineract is a little too far, doors still need to be openable, just that the map can't be chopped through |
| 03:51 |
sofar |
yeah, which is what itb does |
| 03:51 |
sofar |
that's not even challenging tbh |
| 04:02 |
sofar |
itb isn't a super complex thing, it just combines some creative solutions to scalability problems that a straight mtg derived approach wouldn't be able to sustain |
| 04:02 |
sofar |
for instance how we store/load boxes |
| 04:02 |
sofar |
but we don't escape lua at all |
| 04:02 |
paramat |
MT is a voxel game engine, it's not meant to look like a realistic half life type FPS game |
| 04:03 |
sofar |
well with models it totally could |
| 04:03 |
sofar |
who says you need to use nodes |
| 04:03 |
sofar |
MT could care less, you can make a game in MT and never program a single node |
| 04:03 |
sofar |
(sure, add air and a few things to shut up mapgen ;)) |
| 04:04 |
sofar |
heck, you could program a game entirely with particles alone |
| 04:05 |
paramat |
yes |
| 04:06 |
sofar |
my next project: multiplayer server where you can play tetris |
| 04:06 |
sofar |
kek |
| 04:06 |
sofar |
heck that would totes be doable |
| 04:06 |
sofar |
falling nodes? check |
| 04:18 |
benrob0329 |
paramat: half life is far from realistic |
| 04:18 |
benrob0329 |
Watch that video, everything has a very low res, even blocky feel to it |
| 04:19 |
benrob0329 |
The most complicated thing I can see is the slide out drawers that push the player away |
| 04:22 |
benrob0329 |
Well that an lip sync, even if it is 90s lip sync |
| 04:23 |
paramat |
yeah, as sofar wrote we could probably get close, but still, MT isn't for that type of game |
| 05:15 |
benrob0329 |
I wonder what a high poly tech demo map for minetest would look like... |
| 05:17 |
benrob0329 |
Perhaps I should attempt that, just for fun |
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| 13:05 |
rubenwardy |
CSM particles won't make particles faster |
| 13:05 |
rubenwardy |
The problem is that each particle is drawn as an individual scene node |
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| 13:28 |
nerzhul |
it just permit to prevent latency from serverf, it's a little enhancement but not optimal |
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DS-minetest |
hi |
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| 14:20 |
Fixer |
*,,,,,,* |
| 14:20 |
Fixer |
mt particles are joke |
| 14:21 |
Fixer |
until recently you can shutdown any play on server by enabling just 10 water faucets |
| 14:21 |
Fixer |
with fps going down to unplayable levels |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
actually you can still nuclear bomb certain place with faucets, it will affect only that area though, you can troll someone but placing secret faucet bomb underground and enable them |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
by* |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
enabling* |
| 14:25 |
Fixer |
servers with homedecor is good target |
| 14:27 |
Fixer |
hmmhmhmhmhm |
| 14:28 |
Bobr2 |
hi |
| 14:46 |
nerzhul |
Fixer, kim jong il ? |
| 14:47 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: of minetest |
| 14:48 |
benrob0329 |
Kim Wat Er |
| 14:58 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: in kim's voice "I will bomb your 0.4.15 server, 20 nuclear faucet bomb will destroy you" |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
"patches aimed at fixing a hole in .Net that allowed a bad RTF file" |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
nice, I love smell of uranium at morning |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
but in IT |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
"Critical Bluetooth flaw could put nearly every connected device at risk of cyberattack" |
| 15:01 |
Fixer |
could you feel it getting "better"? |
| 15:04 |
Fixer |
any OS |
| 15:21 |
benrob0329 |
Whats the flaw @Fixer? |
| 15:27 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/blueborne-bluetooth-security-flaws,news-25836.html |
| 15:29 |
benrob0329 |
Oh yeah, maybe getting rid of the headphone Jack wasn't such a good idea |
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| 15:46 |
Fixer |
hahha |
| 15:47 |
Fixer |
that was for profit |
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Fixer |
benrob0329: basically they dump it down to extract more profit, even my cheap halfdecade old shitphone has headphone jack, and buyers of new stuff are loosers now |
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| 16:31 |
benrob0329 |
Hi tumeninodes, IhrFussel |
| 16:31 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, wouldn't work on my server...I heavily reduced the particles per second that appear...you would probably need 100+ faucets to make FPS drop a lot |
| 16:32 |
tumeninodes |
Hi benrob, IhrFussel |
| 16:32 |
tumeninodes |
benrob, I've been playing with the tardis... purty cool |
| 16:33 |
tumeninodes |
have not had a chance/time to really do anything texture wise yet |
| 16:33 |
benrob0329 |
Thanks, if you notice any bugs don't hesitate to make an issue :-) |
| 16:34 |
tumeninodes |
well, it did take ame a few seconds to figure out I had to click the invisi-block at the door to get outside haha :P other than this I have seen no issues. May want to alter the selection box sizes though for the switch and the control panel |
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tumeninodes |
hi Krock |
| 16:36 |
Krock |
hi tumeninodes |
| 16:38 |
tumeninodes |
it was good to learn about the process for textures and the difference between .png and .jpg when using pixel art for a game, thank you. |
| 16:38 |
Krock |
Offtopic: http://www.overclockers.com.au/images/newspics/8sep17/6.jpg |
| 16:38 |
Krock |
np. |
| 17:01 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: hehe |
| 17:08 |
IhrFussel |
And hi back |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
"It amazes me that of the 63 comments on this, other than Linux fan boys saying switch to Linux, the entire discussion is around the grammar of the title of the post. There's no discussion of what the bug is, how it manifests, how to trigger it, or what the possible ramifications are, or whether anyone actually doing AV products is actually relying on this information." |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
^ internet in 2017 |
| 17:13 |
IhrFussel |
Do you consider tamable NPCs "slavery"? xP |
| 17:18 |
Sokomine |
ihrfussel: it's just incomplete labeling as well :-) you don't "tame" them. you "bribe" them with a "salary" to work for you |
| 17:23 |
Shara |
Hello |
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| 17:30 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, well I enabled "taming" for them on my server now but I'm not sure how ethnically correct it is =P |
| 17:30 |
IhrFussel |
Hi Shara and nerzhul |
| 17:31 |
Shara |
Hi Fussel |
| 17:34 |
tumeninodes |
Hi Sokomine and Shara |
| 17:35 |
tumeninodes |
anyone wanna go over to #minetest and help deltasquared with a question regarding optional depends? |
| 17:35 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: well, it gets a bit..odd..when you start breeding them. but breeding is odd in mobs_redo anyway. in theory, more food = good time to produce offsprings might still apply, and it does work gameplay-wise. i just don't like how they throw hearts around |
| 17:36 |
Sokomine |
currently still busy with hardware coloring and the saw and my colormachine |
| 17:36 |
nerzhul |
https://thehackernews.com/2017/09/windows-10-linux-evade-malware.html?m=1 hahaha |
| 17:38 |
tumeninodes |
dangit, I originally logged in with a particles question and now forget what it was :P |
| 17:39 |
CWz |
i wonder why my linux mint downloads keep failing |
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| 17:48 |
benrob0329 |
Hey Calinou |
| 17:48 |
benrob0329 |
Glad you joined us on the Matrix side :P |
| 17:51 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: no need for NPCs, there are players who actually want to be your slave |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
I would try out Matrix |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
but then I'd have to deal with the shame of being a Matrix user |
| 17:55 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/Yd6NBm6w91.jpg |
| 17:55 |
benrob0329 |
How is it shameful to use a federated,service? |
| 18:04 |
Krock |
IRC is the only true communication service |
| 18:06 |
sofar |
kind invite for folks to come play on "Inside the box" and give feedback, we have ~35 excellent puzzles at the moment, and builders making more as we speak |
| 18:06 |
sofar |
I especially could use code/idea feedback ;) |
| 18:09 |
sofar |
It also may be an excellent place where fanatic builders may showcase their skills, we've seen some really pretty builds already |
| 18:14 |
* Krock |
tries to find an old 0.4.16-dev binary |
| 18:19 |
Krock |
hmm.. "sudo" isn't implemented in the terminal yet |
| 18:19 |
sofar |
afk |
| 18:21 |
benrob0329 |
Krock: sudo install sudo |
| 18:21 |
Krock |
"Syntax Error. Try \"help\" |
| 18:21 |
Krock |
" |
| 18:22 |
benrob0329 |
sudo pkg install sudo |
| 18:34 |
Fixer |
"Equifax Had 'Admin' as Login and Password in Argentina" |
| 18:34 |
Fixer |
kekekekekkekeekek |
| 18:35 |
Fixer |
ｓｅｃｕｒｉｔｙ |
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Calinou_ |
there I am, I set up a Quassel core on my own PC |
| 18:38 |
Calinou_ |
better than using Riot, but no offline backlog |
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| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
ZNC, Calinou_ |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
it's really easy to set up |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
surprisingly so |
| 18:40 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: Quassel core is more or less the same thing |
| 18:40 |
Calinou |
the issue is, my VPS has been suspended |
| 18:40 |
Calinou |
(for the 2nd time in 1 year…) |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
huh |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
why? |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
I suggest getting a better hoster :) |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
they suspended me for "Phishing", I'm not joking |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
I have no idea why |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
maybe they're making up a reason so I can't appeal (I sent a ticket anyway, we'll see) |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
if they deny it, the data is lost forever, I guess |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
I'm having a terrible day today :( |
| 18:43 |
Fixer |
Calinou: hawhahahaaha, (((((((((cloud))))))))) and such |
| 18:43 |
Calinou |
I also have to get up at 7AM tomorrow |
| 18:43 |
Calinou |
I'm already starting to dislike university, not because of the classes but because I don't get to talk at anyone there :( |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
Kimsufi is good |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
and french |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
dedis though |
| 18:44 |
Calinou |
but they don't have RAID? |
| 18:44 |
Calinou |
so, if a disk dies, it's all dead? |
| 18:44 |
Fixer |
Calinou: you don't meet with people? |
| 18:44 |
Calinou |
Fixer: I don't talk to them |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
>dedis though |
| 18:44 |
Fixer |
Calinou: in uni? how? |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
isn't that an advantage? |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 18:45 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: also, they all seem to be HDDs, except for the small Atom ones |
| 18:45 |
Calinou |
I'd rather have an SSD |
| 18:45 |
Fixer |
Calinou: you don't have lectures or smth? |
| 18:45 |
Calinou |
Fixer: I do |
| 18:45 |
Calinou |
I had a lecture today |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
I use them for their CPU and RAM, not storage |
| 18:45 |
Fixer |
Calinou: where people gathering in a big room |
| 18:46 |
Calinou |
it was on OOP, we're going to use Java, it was boring since I already knew the basics |
| 18:46 |
Calinou |
but I already fear this semester |
| 18:46 |
Fixer |
and then you talk with them etc |
| 18:46 |
Calinou |
(ending up with noobs for group projects, etc) |
| 18:46 |
Calinou |
Fixer: people were talking to each other before the lecture, but I didn't |
| 18:47 |
Krock |
Calinou, just make sure they're at least learning, otherwise it'll be really painful to do basically everything alone |
| 18:47 |
Calinou |
I didn't even talk to the guy I knew from my former university, since he seems to not want me around him at all |
| 18:47 |
Calinou |
Krock: well, if I get an opportunity to do the project alone, I might take it |
| 18:47 |
Calinou |
better have no help than bad help |
| 18:50 |
benrob0329 |
I like how people complain about Riot's UI, but never have any real suggestions on how to make it better |
| 18:50 |
Krock |
a good task distribution usually helps in such cases :) There's always something to draw, research or discuss |
| 18:51 |
Krock |
because complaining is easier than providing constructive help |
| 18:52 |
Shara |
Calinou: kind of why I'm happy to do distance learning these days instead :P |
| 18:53 |
sofar |
Krock: how far did you get? :) |
| 18:53 |
benrob0329 |
I think riot looks fine with the dark theme, but I do have plans to make a client if my own eventually |
| 18:54 |
Jordach |
>system that respects freedoms |
| 18:55 |
Jordach |
>$4k USD |
| 18:55 |
Krock |
sofar, tutorial 4, I believe. Couldn't find the 3rd chest |
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* Krock |
silently cries while looking at PR 6413 |
| 18:56 |
Krock |
s/chest/unlock platform thingy/ |
| 18:56 |
sofar |
is that the big dirt pit with the cave? |
| 18:57 |
Krock |
yes, it is. |
| 18:57 |
sofar |
ahh yes, did you cross the lava? |
| 18:57 |
Krock |
oh right! in the beginning I did, but then completely forgot about it |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
hmm, if you've crossed the lava then I'm not sure what you have missed |
| 18:58 |
sofar |
did you find the axe and put the wooden blocks to climb back up? |
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Krock |
yes, also the sand push mechanism. If there was lava in this level, I completely missed it |
| 19:00 |
sofar |
the lava is the part people usually miss |
| 19:00 |
sofar |
after you do the sand piston thing and climb down, people climb back up and drop to the center |
| 19:00 |
Krock |
the lava I have in mind is from a previous level, that's why I wasn't quite sure :) |
| 19:00 |
sofar |
but you can find a cave entrance nearby as well |
| 19:01 |
Krock |
then I haven't looked enough there to notice the cave |
| 19:01 |
sofar |
just don't drop down and look for a torch as you go up the ladder |
| 19:02 |
sofar |
I posted some player progression statistics, it seems that tutorial parts 4 and 5 cause players to give up |
| 19:02 |
sofar |
so they never make it to the part where they can create boxes and discover the lobby |
| 19:07 |
sofar |
Krock: any comments? :) |
| 19:08 |
Krock |
comment to myself: never gonna give these levels up |
| 19:08 |
sofar |
rick roll! |
| 19:09 |
Krock |
but I must say that you or your helpers spent a lot time in the design |
| 19:09 |
sofar |
I built the entire tutorial series myself |
| 19:09 |
sofar |
and yes, it was a painful amount of time |
| 19:10 |
sofar |
mostly because as I was designing the boxes, I constantly came up with new mechanics that we needed to get to make them interesting |
| 19:10 |
Krock |
how about the subgame? It seems to use different nodes/textures and even contains special animations and functions |
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| 19:10 |
sofar |
it's an entirely new game |
| 19:10 |
sofar |
I think all we took from mtg was xpanes and some minor bits |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
Shara: I was homeschooled for 6 years, it helped me get better at computers and play Minecraft a lot :P (since I had lots of free time) |
| 19:10 |
Krock |
hehe, nice! |
| 19:10 |
sofar |
completely new textures, not a single one from mtg |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
but… it's not a nice thing to do, IMO |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
it made me completely isolated from people of my age |
| 19:11 |
Krock |
it's really well done and offers more than I thought at the beginning when I was like "aww man, please not yet some boring mazes!" |
| 19:12 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: thats why homeschool groups exist |
| 19:12 |
sofar |
Krock: it slowly gets even better, yes, we add more and more concepts slowly so it's easier for people to work with |
| 19:13 |
sofar |
I'm also rejecting new boxes that people have made that are "not very original" |
| 19:13 |
sofar |
e.g. 100 chests and 100 pedestals |
| 19:13 |
sofar |
I've scared off a few players already I think |
| 19:13 |
sofar |
but, better that than terrible mazes |
| 19:15 |
benrob0329 |
I saw that one...it was. . . interesting |
| 19:20 |
Shara |
Calinou: In my cases I'm choosing to study again really just because I can. I get more than enough contact with people from work, so wouldn't want the hassle of group projects with people I couldn't rely on on top of that. |
| 19:20 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, mind having a short look at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6411 (especially the Lua part) whether it needs improvement or not? |
| 19:20 |
Shara |
case* |
| 19:21 |
Shara |
Only had to do one group project so far for this course, and it was a nightmare... none of them submitted a thing. |
| 19:36 |
tumeninodes |
sofar, I love Inside the Box. I got stuck on level 5 tutorial but plan to try again tonight, greendimond gave me a hint. But overall, just excellent I love the mechanics for the floors |
| 19:37 |
celeron55 |
i've passed the tutorial myself and then the first player-made puzzle it put me into was too stupid and difficult :P |
| 19:38 |
tumeninodes |
show off |
| 19:38 |
sofar |
ha! |
| 19:38 |
sofar |
we have a hints-allowed policy |
| 19:39 |
sofar |
so, if you want, ask for hints |
| 19:39 |
Calinou |
I'm joining the Inside the Box server |
| 19:39 |
sofar |
we're also on IRC so I can give hints to players while I can't log in to the game |
| 19:39 |
sofar |
#insidethebox |
| 19:39 |
tumeninodes |
yep, and thankful for that otherwise I would have to call level 5 stupid and difficult haha |
| 19:39 |
sofar |
thanks to Kaeza's irc mod |
| 19:40 |
sofar |
tumeninodes: there's about 35 levels now that are playable |
| 19:40 |
sofar |
there's more to come back to |
| 19:40 |
tumeninodes |
I have one really dumb question though, how do I use the terminals :P |
| 19:40 |
celeron55 |
the one i ended up in after tutorial was one with a burning cave and a locked door after it below a ladder |
| 19:40 |
tumeninodes |
that is a huge number, means lots of good contributions which is awesome |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
haha, on the server, I have 630 FPS if looking straight down |
| 19:42 |
tumeninodes |
0_o |
| 19:43 |
sofar |
celeron55: I may have an idea which one that is. If you try again, ping me if you're stuck again :) |
| 19:45 |
tumeninodes |
I wonder if I am the only one who physically leans forward IRL when jumping in game.. :P |
| 19:47 |
tumeninodes |
I'm jonesing now, gonna go try level 5 again now o/ |
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tumeninodes |
oh wait... duh. I'm on level 8 :P |
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sofar |
last one I think |
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sofar |
technically the tutorial isn't finished |
| 19:51 |
tumeninodes |
i love the floors |
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| 19:55 |
Calinou |
casual framerate: https://lut.im/cAgqu1UeFI/kTkYJucLhYR9vtDf.png |
| 19:56 |
sofar |
you shouldn't have any issues on my server, view range recommendation is 150max |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
yeah, I know :) |
| 19:57 |
Calinou |
my framerate on a v6 map is 80-400 depending on how many blocks are loaded |
| 19:57 |
sofar |
no box is larger than 40 or so nodes atm |
| 19:57 |
sofar |
the lobby is 200x200 or so |
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| 20:02 |
Krock |
Calinou, your eyes need an upgrade to handle the obvious super fast screen refresh rate you've got to display this. |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
it's only 60 Hz :p |
| 20:03 |
sofar |
it ain't helping a bit, he's still stuck in part 4 of the tutorial |
| 20:03 |
* sofar |
giggles |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
but, higher FPS lowers input lag and makes things smoother, even if not using vsync |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
yeah |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
I died in lava :D |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
I'm lagging on the server, because it's in the US |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
(RTT = 0.231) |
| 20:04 |
sofar |
there's no penalty to dying |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
yeah, you just respawn at the beginning of the box |
| 20:04 |
sofar |
honestly I'm wondering if I should make an EU server |
| 20:04 |
sofar |
and just shadow the content |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
that could work |
| 20:05 |
sofar |
I can already easily backup a puzzle and load it from file |
| 20:05 |
sofar |
so publishing content back and forth would be simple |
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sofar |
they could even share DBs |
| 20:05 |
sofar |
we use sqlite right now for everything, but it could entirely go into a replicated mysql |
| 20:06 |
benrob0329 |
If only we had server federation... |
| 20:34 |
Fixer |
vsync sucks |
| 20:47 |
nerzhul |
sofar, use postgresql with replication |
| 20:48 |
sofar |
sure, it's likely a lot better than mariadb's |
| 20:48 |
sofar |
not relevant for now anyway, the server isn't seeing a big player load |
| 20:48 |
nerzhul |
heh, binary replication is easy, not selective, but PostgreSQL 10.0 will be released in 1 month or 2 months and you will ahve publication streams for replicate object, it's better than both methods (pg binary + mariadb binlog) |
| 20:49 |
nerzhul |
db is never the bottleneck, in case of pgsql/mariadb, it's the core engine |
| 20:49 |
nerzhul |
permit huge server to scale is difficult due to the main thread |
| 20:54 |
Calinou |
sofar: I took some screenshots of the server's spawn area, can I post them here? |
| 20:54 |
Calinou |
(asking in case it's a spoiler or something :P) |
| 20:54 |
sofar |
absolutely |
| 20:54 |
Calinou |
ok :) |
| 20:54 |
sofar |
there's screenshots on the forum of common areas already |
| 20:55 |
sofar |
I still have to do an official video |
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Calinou |
https://lut.im/8ufGqjGCAB/wgvFlYEd0X01ZBUN.png |
| 20:58 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/2r9CyqBXfS/oH8cyJXBVFNwCSKu.png |
| 20:58 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/sQF8Yhrdi0/Cdjw6iEL8YokizWF.png |
| 20:58 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/hXwc6ecxgo/biPFxA4c8ejcrQJe.png |
| 20:58 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/Pc3MYITXxC/DTM5HdqWGL30zzG4.png |
| 20:59 |
Jordach |
Minetest with skybox mods: not a unity game |
| 20:59 |
Calinou |
Jordach: it's an UE4 one /D |
| 20:59 |
Calinou |
:D* |
| 20:59 |
Calinou |
or, soon, a Godot 3.0 one ;) |
| 20:59 |
Jordach |
Calinou, kitteh on my desk |
| 21:00 |
Jordach |
Calinou, http://jordach.net/files/quzcj.jpg |
| 21:00 |
Calinou |
the wall looks like you built something using blocks :P |
| 21:00 |
Calinou |
(behind the kitten) |
| 21:00 |
Jordach |
plastic tiles |
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| 21:01 |
Jordach |
Calinou, he loves cuddling my damn keyboard |
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| 21:03 |
Jordach |
Calinou, secondly, my site is a literal mirror of another in real time |
| 21:03 |
nerzhul |
it's possible to change the skybox in MT ? |
| 21:03 |
nerzhul |
and water too ? :o |
| 21:03 |
* Jordach |
drops a jaw onto the floor and LEAVES it there |
| 21:03 |
nerzhul |
those textues sounds nice |
| 21:03 |
Calinou |
nerzhul: yeah, since years ago |
| 21:04 |
nerzhul |
where does those textures comes from ? |
| 21:04 |
sofar |
on my server? |
| 21:04 |
nerzhul |
yes, the sky and the water |
| 21:05 |
sofar |
essentially it's my skybox mod |
| 21:05 |
sofar |
it's why I wrote it in the first place |
| 21:05 |
sofar |
I just released it separately as well |
| 21:05 |
sofar |
minetest-mods/skybox |
| 21:06 |
sofar |
originally: https://93i.de/p/free-skybox-texture-set/ |
| 21:06 |
Grandolf |
im getting an error and im not sure how to fix it, heres a pastebin with the error under the code: https://pastebin.com/7MXh16uX |
| 21:10 |
Amaz |
Grandolf: I think you need another } and , after line 29 of the paste. |
| 21:15 |
Grandolf |
ty amaz |
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| 21:16 |
Amaz |
np |
| 21:18 |
sofar |
Amaz: any feedback on my "inside the box" server? |
| 21:18 |
sofar |
I think you played a few times on it, right? |
| 21:20 |
IhrFussel |
Guys could you probably implement a way for 0.5.0 that CHECKS if the client has an internet connection before adding/removing HUDs? It can get annoying real fast if the server relies on individual HUDs that appear/disappear and the client has no connection meaning the HUD never disappears until reconnect |
| 21:21 |
Amaz |
sofar: It's really good :) |
| 21:22 |
Amaz |
It's so great to have a game for Minetest that isn't a digging/building/minecrafty game |
| 21:22 |
IhrFussel |
In my case I display teleport requests as text HUDs on screen and a lot of the times players complain about having the text forever on their screen, because they had no connection for a few secs when the server tried to remove it |
| 21:22 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: that's not how it works |
| 21:23 |
sfan5 |
at least now how it should |
| 21:23 |
sfan5 |
hud removal should be a reliable packet |
| 21:23 |
IhrFussel |
I experienced it myself an hour ago... a HUD text that should disappear after 15 secs never disappeared |
| 21:24 |
Amaz |
It can be incredibally frustrating at times, but in a good way :P |
| 21:24 |
IhrFussel |
I will provoke the bug now by disconnecting from network for a few secs after adding a HUD |
| 21:24 |
sofar |
Amaz: thanks! |
| 21:24 |
paramat |
IhrFussel "Sokomine, well I enabled "taming" for them on my server now but I'm not sure how ethnically correct it is" don't worry, it's not real life :D |
| 21:25 |
sofar |
I'd love constructive criticism, but lavish praise is great! :D |
| 21:25 |
Amaz |
sofar: np! |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
ｄｕｂ　ｉｎｔｅｎｓｉｆｉｅｓ |
| 21:25 |
Amaz |
I can't think of anything I could critize about it off the top of my head! |
| 21:27 |
IhrFussel |
Weird...seems like it indeed disappears as soon as I re-enable my connection ... what else could cause this then hmm |
| 21:28 |
sfan5 |
an actual bug |
| 21:29 |
IhrFussel |
Can server lag maybe skip the HUD code under some circumstances? |
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| 21:33 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 21:42 |
IhrFussel |
paramat, https://newrepublic.com/article/108500/peta-vs-pokemon-does-the-video-game-teach-animal-cruelty |
| 21:45 |
sofar |
ha |
| 21:45 |
sofar |
HA |
| 21:45 |
sofar |
haaaaaaaa |
| 21:46 |
IhrFussel |
“Much like animals in the real world,†read PETA’s statement, “Pokémon are treated as unfeeling objects and used for such things as human entertainment and as subjects in experiments. The way that Pokémon are stuffed into pokéballs is similar to how circuses chain elephants inside railroad cars and let them out only to perform confusing and often painful tricks that were taught using sharp steel-tipp |
| 21:46 |
IhrFussel |
ed bullhooks and electric shock prods |
| 21:47 |
IhrFussel |
They sound serious xP |
| 21:47 |
Jordach |
sofar, https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/14/qarnot_drops_intel_adopts_amd/ |
| 22:01 |
sofar |
makes sense, for heating |
| 22:02 |
sofar |
I would too (DISCLAIMER: NOT MY EMPLOYERS OPINION) |
| 22:04 |
sofar |
Jordach: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=tr1950x-7900x-3os&num=1 |
| 22:04 |
tumeninodes |
will eventually be called the AMD raisin |
| 22:04 |
sofar |
(featuring my project "ClearLinux") |
| 22:05 |
tumeninodes |
sofar, any interest in some involvment with Unity Linux, seems some dev has started again |
| 22:06 |
sofar |
Unity? why? |
| 22:06 |
tumeninodes |
Unity Linux was the project we started after we all left PCLinuxOS some years ago |
| 22:07 |
tumeninodes |
it faded off, then one of the devs started working on it again, but it stalled again, now seems he is working on it again |
| 22:07 |
tumeninodes |
not Unity DE |
| 22:07 |
tumeninodes |
be back in a few |
| 22:08 |
sofar |
are you asking me personally or me professionally, as part of a team working on a linux distribution, for Intel Corporation, full time? |
| 22:08 |
tumeninodes |
part of a team on a Linux Dist. I know youre busy with a lot, just could even be a here n there type of part |
| 22:09 |
tumeninodes |
I can't afford Intel's rates :P |
| 22:09 |
sofar |
I've done too many linux distros to know that more than 1 isn't going to work |
| 22:09 |
sofar |
so, in either case, I just don't have the time |
| 22:10 |
sofar |
besides, they're paying me to work on ClearLinux |
| 22:10 |
tumeninodes |
understandable, just thought Id ask.... Ahhhh, that's a very nice and unusual deal |
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| 22:12 |
* rubenwardy |
looks at the most expensive CPU on pc part picker |
| 22:12 |
rubenwardy |
damn... |
| 22:12 |
sofar |
xeon parts can go 4000$+ |
| 22:12 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 22:12 |
benrob0329 |
II have thought of an illustration (the concept) to give people a concept of free sfotware |
| 22:12 |
sofar |
hey, you want 48 cores? |
| 22:13 |
rubenwardy |
my flatmate has some xeon in his desktop |
| 22:13 |
rubenwardy |
his average usage is 10% |
| 22:13 |
rubenwardy |
...whilst playing GTA and running 4/5 vms... |
| 22:15 |
sofar |
maxing it out is easy |
| 22:15 |
benrob0329 |
Imagine for a moment that you are a school teacher, and you brought in a microscope to show the class. All the students think its the neatest thing, and one of them asks, "How does it work?". You reply, "I don't know." |
| 22:15 |
benrob0329 |
"We aren't allowed to know." |
| 22:32 |
tumeninodes |
No one ever mentions Oracle's processors (mainly for server anyway and costly) |
| 22:32 |
rubenwardy |
Oracle makes processors? |
| 22:33 |
tumeninodes |
yessir |
| 22:33 |
tumeninodes |
https://www.nextplatform.com/2016/06/30/oracle-takes-xeons-sparc-s7/ |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
TIL |
| 22:36 |
tumeninodes |
this too https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/05/oracle_sparc_m8/ |
| 22:43 |
Jordach |
fuck it |
| 22:43 |
* Jordach |
starts development of a prototype block engine in UE4 |
| 22:44 |
benrob0329 |
ewww ue4 |
| 22:44 |
Jordach |
at least it's not Unity |
| 22:44 |
Jordach |
:^) |
| 22:44 |
Jordach |
and i can target linux without a fucking hundred dollar fee |
| 22:45 |
benrob0329 |
But you have to compile for a hundred hours just to open the editor on it |
| 22:45 |
Jordach |
>prebuilt on windows |
| 22:46 |
Jordach |
how out of date are ye benrob0329 |
| 22:46 |
Jordach |
you should know by know that i run windows |
| 22:46 |
benrob0329 |
Windows is horrid, horrid garbage and should go die in a hole |
| 22:46 |
Jordach |
at least they're not GOOGLE |
| 22:46 |
benrob0329 |
just because we can build software, does not mean we should be forced to |
| 22:46 |
benrob0329 |
I know that |
| 22:46 |
benrob0329 |
thus my statement :^) |
| 22:47 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, chromebook died on update to a new version of chromeOS |
| 22:47 |
Jordach |
>no repairs lmao |
| 22:47 |
benrob0329 |
yeah thats not good either |
| 22:47 |
Jordach |
i might give MS shit for doing stupid shit |
| 22:47 |
Jordach |
but at least they admitted they were wrong |
| 22:48 |
benrob0329 |
For pushing forced ads and restarts? |
| 22:48 |
benrob0329 |
and screwing over Linux every update? |
| 22:48 |
Jordach |
>azure now runs linux by default |
| 22:48 |
Jordach |
:thinking: |
| 22:48 |
benrob0329 |
and for breaking compatibility with the last version of the system, to the point where most apps couldnt even run without major patching |
| 22:49 |
rubenwardy |
<Jordach> >azure now runs linux by default |
| 22:49 |
rubenwardy |
well, the majority of the internet is Linux |
| 22:49 |
tumeninodes |
Some sneak up behind you and bend you over..., others look you in the face and tell you they're gonna |
| 22:50 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, why'd you think MS is taking the "rolling release" option with windows 10 |
| 22:50 |
Jordach |
i've installed CU and seen 0 issues to date |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
no where near as many people would use Azure if it was windows only |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
no idea what CU is |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
and I've had 10x more issues on Windows 10 then Linux |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
and I only used Windows 10 for like 3 months |
| 22:52 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, it's more of a case of deprecating win32 |
| 22:52 |
rubenwardy |
driver issues, slow context menus |
| 22:52 |
Jordach |
or even win16 plaguing things |
| 22:52 |
tumeninodes |
windows vista was supposed to be a whole new, from scratch OS, that was a lie... just more patches |
| 22:53 |
tumeninodes |
every new release is just more bondo to cover the decaying undercarriage |
| 22:54 |
Jordach |
tumeninodes, the result of keeping Win16 around |
| 22:54 |
tumeninodes |
they even removed MSPaint, what the hell does that do?? MSPaint was about the only non-bland part of the entire OS |
| 22:54 |
Jordach |
Win32 was mostly built onto it, with toothpicks |
| 22:54 |
tumeninodes |
more like matchsticks... just waiting to go up... poof :P |
| 22:55 |
tumeninodes |
MS will never have anything to fear market wise... they will always remain a "standard" in the industry |
| 22:56 |
Jordach |
tumeninodes, and yet, linux doesn't have commercial or paid support other than oracle, (but that's for their own systems) |
| 22:56 |
Jordach |
communistic software doesn't make the world go round ;) |
| 22:56 |
rubenwardy |
redhat |
| 22:56 |
rubenwardy |
centos |
| 22:56 |
tumeninodes |
well, some have commercial support |
| 22:56 |
tumeninodes |
^that |
| 22:56 |
tumeninodes |
and ^that |
| 22:57 |
rubenwardy |
don't ubuntu do it as well? At least canonical |
| 22:57 |
tumeninodes |
canonical has their sticky fingers in many things :D |
| 22:57 |
Jordach |
like windows ;) |
| 22:57 |
Jordach |
Kappa |
| 22:57 |
tumeninodes |
Im not sure in regards to paid support though |
| 22:57 |
tumeninodes |
touche |
| 22:58 |
tumeninodes |
I think opensuse does though |
| 22:58 |
rubenwardy |
also, it's probably worth stopping offtopic at some point |
| 22:58 |
tumeninodes |
redhat is the big dawg though |
| 22:58 |
Jordach |
tumeninodes, rubenwardy the point is, windows is known to be very reliable on lots of x86 hardware with obscure crap |
| 22:58 |
Jordach |
like printers |
| 22:59 |
tumeninodes |
true... so "on topic"..., does Minetest offer commercial support? :P |
| 22:59 |
Jordach |
come back to me when that inkjet or laser has a decent driver that works with most things out of the box without a windows machine to get it rolling |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
I'd offer commercial support |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
for a small fee of $1 USD |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
oops |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
$1m USD |
| 22:59 |
tumeninodes |
I can't... Ima too stupidz |
| 23:00 |
tumeninodes |
give that "m" a smaller fine print and your good t go with a signed contract |
| 23:01 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, fun fact, Epic games are fantastic with UE4 licensing |
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| 23:01 |
Jordach |
the only silly bit is the asset store, that almost nobody touches |
| 23:01 |
tumeninodes |
Jordach, thing is..., most often quite a few drivers can be found for virtually everything under Linux, which can be d/l and patched in minus adware |
| 23:02 |
Jordach |
tumeninodes, doesn't take a retard to install things |
| 23:02 |
Jordach |
especially if you know how to use your eyes left to right looking at a thing called english |
| 23:02 |
tumeninodes |
true, I'm a retard and install many things :D |
| 23:03 |
tumeninodes |
I will admit, Windows has Linux beat with language support often |
| 23:03 |
Jordach |
tumeninodes, windows does many things right, which it should |
| 23:03 |
Jordach |
silent software is the best way to know everythiing is perfect |
| 23:03 |
tumeninodes |
well for the price, it really should and then some |
| 23:04 |
tumeninodes |
I really wish they would go back to providing a physical install disc though rather than this ghosting crap |
| 23:05 |
tumeninodes |
(when one purchases hardware with Windows pre-installed) |
| 23:05 |
tumeninodes |
many end users completely neglect or even forget to create that back up DVD and then when there is a problem, it is no fun |
| 23:07 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest has so many issues that offering commercial support is completely unviable |
| 23:07 |
tumeninodes |
the purchaser has the right to a physical copy of what they purchased (which is to MS the license sticker on the machine, not the software itself) |
| 23:08 |
tumeninodes |
hahahaha.... a huge call center team would be needed, which would probably cost more than the incoming from paid support clients |
| 23:09 |
tumeninodes |
another reason, (and would never see such support from Minecraft either) imagine the sort of calls that would some in??? SOme 9yo screaming bloody murder for getting banned |
| 23:09 |
tumeninodes |
*c |
| 23:12 |
* Shara |
gets nightmares just thinking about it |
| 23:12 |
tumeninodes |
A side note, I do still have a completely virgin XP install, still works good as day one because it has never seen the web. ; ) |
| 23:13 |
tumeninodes |
haha Hi Shara. You know from being on the front lines too long |
| 23:13 |
rubenwardy |
a 9 year old wouldn't pay for support |
| 23:13 |
tumeninodes |
mommy & daddy would though |
| 23:13 |
Shara |
Some of the "grown ups" can be just as bad as the children |
| 23:14 |
rubenwardy |
http://minetest.com/2012/04/minetest-has-sounds/ |
| 23:14 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest has some amazing features |
| 23:14 |
tumeninodes |
I don't doubt that |
| 23:15 |
* Shara |
still doesn't ever use sound :P |
| 23:16 |
tumeninodes |
rotflmao |
| 23:17 |
tumeninodes |
is it me... or was the sound better then? 0_o |
| 23:17 |
tumeninodes |
no reverb |
| 23:17 |
tumeninodes |
rubenwardy, have you been following thinmatrix?? did you ever check his dev stuff out? |
| 23:17 |
Shara |
I just cannot play the game with sound. It's too many kinds of bad. |
| 23:18 |
rubenwardy |
wow, that's cool |
| 23:18 |
rubenwardy |
Shara, yeah, the sounds suck |
| 23:19 |
* rubenwardy |
follows ThinMatrix on twitter |
| 23:19 |
rubenwardy |
Should do a kick starter for sounds and textures |
| 23:19 |
Shara |
Problem is lack of music |
| 23:20 |
rubenwardy |
that too, and ambience |
| 23:20 |
Shara |
The foot steps and things just sound waay too loud and out of place without music in the background to blend them into |
| 23:20 |
rubenwardy |
those require engine work though |
| 23:20 |
Shara |
and yes, decent ambient sound in general |
| 23:20 |
tumeninodes |
I have to have sound, for some reason I get messed up if I don't. And... I hit something on accident playing Inside The Box today and killed the music... and can't fix it |
| 23:21 |
tumeninodes |
ambience is tough |
| 23:21 |
Shara |
It's not even that the specific sounds present are all out bad, just that they have nothing to fit in with to make them natural |
| 23:21 |
tumeninodes |
I think focusing more on mood music is key |
| 23:21 |
Shara |
tumeninodes: it's odd, because MT is literally the only game I can play without sound |
| 23:22 |
Shara |
ANy other game I try, no sound messes me up completely. |
| 23:22 |
sofar |
tumeninodes: I checked and your settings say that you have sound disabled |
| 23:22 |
sofar |
tumeninodes: when you re-enable it, sound DOES NOT PLAY until you change a box |
| 23:22 |
sofar |
of course, sound effects still remain enabled |
| 23:23 |
tumeninodes |
but this is probably due to those games having superior mood music which overplay the ambient sounds |
| 23:23 |
Shara |
The only time I let sound play is if a server has a weather mod with thunder sounds :) |
| 23:23 |
sofar |
the music on my server runs at a 0.2 gain level - much lower than most sound effects |
| 23:23 |
tumeninodes |
Ahhhh, ok sofar, thank you |
| 23:23 |
Shara |
But then I end up standing still because everything else I hear annoys me, so I stop playing :P |
| 23:24 |
* Shara |
still needs a good weather mod for a server |
| 23:24 |
tumeninodes |
sofar, that gravel could be padded a bit |
| 23:25 |
tumeninodes |
The first time I entered a box on Inside The Box, the doors closed and I heard the "DOOOM!!!" sound, I got nervous, thought I did something wrong/bad and was gonna die haha |
| 23:26 |
tumeninodes |
but, with no sound, I can't play at all..., any game |
| 23:55 |
rubenwardy |
oh man |
| 23:55 |
rubenwardy |
http://c55.me/minetest2/ |
| 23:55 |
rubenwardy |
that is amazing |
| 23:55 |
rubenwardy |
so much nostalgia |
