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celeron55 |
https://gist.github.com/celeron55/f26736b2432440504f63f11f17d9a8a1 |
08:19 |
celeron55 |
somebody from that generic mod hosting site sent an email |
08:19 |
celeron55 |
i don't think that's something worth looking into but discuss if you like |
08:20 |
shivajiva |
Hi celeron55 o/ |
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09:40 |
lisac |
celeron55, I submitted MT to GameBanana |
09:40 |
lisac |
I did ask if someone wants to be the game admin there |
09:43 |
nerzhul |
i'm not sure it's good for non coredve to do that, as build is not trusted by ourselves |
09:44 |
lisac |
nerzhul, I'm not a game admin there |
09:44 |
lisac |
the position is vacant right now |
09:45 |
nerzhul |
i see |
09:45 |
nerzhul |
it's not easy to manage our distribution |
09:45 |
nerzhul |
does they have beta channel and API to upload builds ? does this need particular packaging ? |
09:47 |
lisac |
sorry gotta go now, school |
09:47 |
lisac |
be back in 8 hours |
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10:25 |
Calinou |
hi |
10:25 |
Calinou |
https://i.imgur.com/zKpJeg3.jpg |
10:25 |
Calinou |
Default applications in Ubuntu 18.04 announced |
10:26 |
Calinou |
celeron55: I'm not fond of GameBanana, it's too ad-riddled |
10:26 |
Calinou |
the forums we have work well enough, I'd say |
10:30 |
nerzhul |
i think i will study how to add it to steam at a point, if we want to target some marketplaces |
10:31 |
nerzhul |
this can permit to increase our user base and push new app version without problem on all platforms |
10:42 |
Raven262 |
Hi Calinou |
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10:53 |
Calinou |
nerzhul: that surely can be done, it'll cost money though (Steam Direct) |
10:54 |
Shara |
Also not fond of GameBanana. |
10:54 |
Shara |
Steam could be interesting though. |
10:55 |
Shara |
But there'd be a lot to think about. |
11:38 |
nerzhul |
Calinou, yes it's not very easy to understand but if i can i will do it |
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11:44 |
DS-minetest |
hi |
11:48 |
DS-minetest |
is it more efficient to use an abm with an interval and chance of 1, no neighbors and one nodename or to start a nodetimer on constuct with one second and to return true in on_timer to restart it again and again? |
11:59 |
celeron55 |
an abm has no saved state and doesn't cause a requirement for the engine to save the mapblock |
11:59 |
celeron55 |
a node timer is always saved |
12:04 |
celeron55 |
on the other hand an abm will always be processed for every active mapblock, while a timer has no overhead if it isn't added to any nodes |
12:04 |
celeron55 |
i.e. for very small amounts of nodes, use a timer; for large amounts of nodes, use an abm |
12:05 |
celeron55 |
the classic comparison is furnace vs. dirt |
12:16 |
DS-minetest |
ok |
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13:10 |
tumeninodes |
I took a look at Gamebanana when lisac mentioned it. Unfortunately the site is very overloaded with ads, as Calinou mentions, and is noticeable. It runs about as slow for me as Minecraft forums. |
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13:12 |
Fixer |
what ads? o_O |
13:19 |
* Raven262 |
uses ublock origin. |
13:19 |
Raven262 |
Yea, what ads? |
13:34 |
* Fixer |
uses adblocking since first times on the internet |
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14:50 |
rdococ |
Progress report: Computer still has not returned. I may swap computers with my mother, due to the fact that hers is faster (despite an inferior keyboard). |
14:51 |
rdococ |
(BTW: Both are laptops, so I can't simply switch keyboards, or towers.) |
14:53 |
rdococ |
The plan in the meantime is perhaps to install Roblox/Roblox Studio. |
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16:14 |
rdococ |
hmm |
16:14 |
rdococ |
what editor do you suggest for lua? |
16:15 |
benrob0329 |
Vim |
16:15 |
benrob0329 |
:P |
16:15 |
rdococ |
lol |
16:15 |
rdococ |
meh, for now I'll install Notepad++ |
16:17 |
rdococ |
there should be a language that looks like intermediate bytecode, but is intended for human programming (not human-FRIENDLY, though) |
16:18 |
ThomasMonroe |
i use Atom rdococ |
16:19 |
rdococ |
Atom? |
16:21 |
rdococ |
ew, CRLF |
16:22 |
rdococ |
actually, I kind of wish CR and LF still had their separate functions, it would be cool to overlay text |
16:22 |
* twoelk |
uses notepad++ for most things <wispering_tone>and windows notepad for the rest</wispering_tone> |
16:23 |
rdococ |
riesen:O |
16:23 |
rdococ |
oops |
16:23 |
rdococ |
:O |
16:25 |
rdococ |
seriously though, it's one newline |
16:25 |
rdococ |
not only is there \r\n (Windows), and \n (Linux), there used to be \r (Mac), and there's even U+2028 (Unicode)! |
16:30 |
rdococ |
For compatibility reasons, I suggest that applications and programs stick to accepting all four, and outputting \r\n. |
16:32 |
benrob0329 |
I say that \n should be the standard, because Unix, and simplicity |
16:33 |
benrob0329 |
Oh wow, that actually put a newline in...OK thats a markup I didn't know |
16:33 |
benrob0329 |
\ |
16:33 |
benrob0329 |
``\n`` |
16:34 |
benrob0329 |
Dangit markdown |
16:34 |
benrob0329 |
Tanguy Riot mobile |
16:34 |
benrob0329 |
Dangit autocorrect |
16:36 |
rdococ |
lol. |
16:36 |
rdococ |
I can't really believe that there's a separate Unicode codepoint to add to the confusion :P |
16:37 |
rdococ |
is there a way to enable syntax highlighting in Atom? |
16:37 |
benrob0329 |
Probably install the package for lua |
16:38 |
rdococ |
oh, wow, Twitch uses IRC |
16:39 |
ThomasMonroe |
right, that one isnt in there by default |
16:40 |
benrob0329 |
I have Lua syntax by default, or at least automatically when Lua was installed |
16:42 |
rdococ |
hm |
16:42 |
rdococ |
so... what do I do with the lua package? |
16:42 |
benrob0329 |
You enable it |
16:43 |
rdococ |
where should I extract it to? |
16:43 |
benrob0329 |
...Atom has a plugin manager |
16:44 |
rdococ |
uhm |
16:44 |
rdococ |
how do I use it? |
16:46 |
rdococ |
ugh, nvm |
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benrob0329 |
Just like any other plugin manager |
17:02 |
benrob0329 |
Man, my phone was really unhappy for a minute there |
17:16 |
rdococ |
for now, I guess I'll play roblox again, seeing as I'm on winders now |
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17:38 |
rubenwardy |
rdococ, Atom does not default to CRLF, if that's what you message meant |
17:38 |
rubenwardy |
oh, that was an hour ago |
17:39 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, doesn't matter. It's IRC ^^ |
17:39 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
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17:47 |
rdococ |
ah |
17:50 |
rubenwardy |
Apple's keynote event only works in Safari and Edge https://i.rubenwardy.com/4IuGarensj.jpg |
17:52 |
rubenwardy |
gonna have to find something else to laugh at :( |
17:52 |
Krock |
Oh, look at this otamatone cover that I just found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8iEMVr7GFg |
17:54 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, can this be described as free/GNU MEME? |
17:55 |
rubenwardy |
damn it Krock |
17:55 |
Krock |
there's again a top pic on /r/ProgrammerHumor if you haven't seen it yet |
17:55 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, you got otamatonerolled |
17:56 |
rubenwardy |
? |
17:56 |
rubenwardy |
the top pic is currently https://i.redd.it/chirqmscgclz.jpg |
17:56 |
rubenwardy |
not sure what you mean |
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17:58 |
Krock |
yeah. It's quite funny to me, as the notepad instructions always are the best on earth! Not to forget the catchy background music that varies between five actual songs among all of those tut videos |
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benrob0329 |
The 5 songs that could make a grown man cry...of ear pain |
18:03 |
rdococ |
YAY for libre! |
18:03 |
rdococ |
how would non-free libre work, though? |
18:04 |
rdococ |
do you pay for the source code? |
18:04 |
rdococ |
(as in, one payment gives you both the compiled product and its source code?) |
18:05 |
rubenwardy |
there's many monetisation forms |
18:05 |
rubenwardy |
you can make users pay for the software, but once it's out it's easy for other to get it |
18:05 |
rubenwardy |
but so is proprietary software once cracked |
18:06 |
rubenwardy |
the best monetisation is probably offering a service around it |
18:06 |
rubenwardy |
such as cloud hosting (see wordpress.com) or support (see redhat linux) |
18:07 |
rubenwardy |
former may be a bad example, not sure if wordpress.com is the same team |
18:25 |
rdococ |
o_O |
18:25 |
rdococ |
did I just disconnect and reconnect repeatedly? |
18:25 |
rubenwardy |
nope |
18:25 |
rdococ |
lol, im on a bouncer |
18:25 |
CWz |
nope |
18:28 |
Megaf |
Apple iPhone event live stream, https://p-events-delivery.akamaized.net/17oiubaewrvouhboiubasdfv09/m3u8/hls_mvp.m3u8 they are talking about iPhone X |
18:28 |
Megaf |
That's the official stream |
18:28 |
rubenwardy |
what format is that? |
18:28 |
rubenwardy |
I'm reading http://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/apple-iphone-event-september-2017 |
18:28 |
rubenwardy |
!g m3u8 format |
18:28 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: M3U8 File (What It Is and How to Open One) - Lifewire - An M3U8 file is a UTF-8 Encoded Audio Playlist file. Learn how to open an .M3U8 file or convert an M3U8 file to M3U or XSPF. </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifewire.com%2Fm3u8%2Dfile%2D2621956>, M3U - Wikipedia - An M3U file is a plain text ... The current proposal for the HLS playlist format uses UTF-8 exclusively and (6 more messages) |
18:31 |
Megaf |
play with mpv or vlc |
18:34 |
rubenwardy |
Calinou, would you be able to investigate making app images part of our CI? We could have it automated then |
18:34 |
rubenwardy |
or maybe put it in utils |
18:35 |
rubenwardy |
it is app image you were working on, right? |
18:43 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/blog/2430-introducing-atom-ide !!! |
18:44 |
rubenwardy |
"have packages which use the power of language servers to provide deep syntactical analysis" hmmm |
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18:53 |
Fixer |
intrï½ï½„ucing |
18:54 |
Fixer |
the $999 phone |
18:54 |
Fixer |
kekekekkeekk |
18:55 |
Megaf |
that was ok |
18:55 |
Fixer |
Russian-made Facebook page invited Americans to protest “upsurge of violence†|
18:55 |
Fixer |
totally legit |
18:55 |
Megaf |
iPhone X is preety awesome |
18:56 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
18:56 |
rubenwardy |
face id is cool |
18:57 |
rubenwardy |
fullscreen phone and wireless charging isn't particularly interesting at this point |
18:57 |
rubenwardy |
been done |
18:57 |
Fixer |
not interesting, I'm waiting for 1920*1080 in low end notebooks, now thats huge deal |
19:01 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
19:03 |
Megaf |
i quite like the face thing tech |
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19:22 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
19:23 |
Raven262 |
Hi ten |
19:24 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven :) |
19:24 |
* tenplus1 |
noms Tesco Tuna Pot :P |
19:25 |
Raven262 |
Every day i open up the minetest forum in hope that there is going to be some great mod released. Every time i get disappointed. |
19:25 |
tenplus1 |
lol, one day... thoon! |
19:26 |
Raven262 |
Why don't people make mods anymore |
19:26 |
Raven262 |
I mean |
19:26 |
Raven262 |
Good mods |
19:26 |
tenplus1 |
they're too busy playing on servers :D |
19:26 |
Raven262 |
Yea, probably that. |
19:26 |
Raven262 |
That is a good thing actually |
19:26 |
Raven262 |
Gains us some popularity |
19:26 |
tenplus1 |
what kinda mods you wanting ? |
19:27 |
Raven262 |
Big mods, like technic, or not that big, like moreblocks |
19:27 |
Raven262 |
But quality ones. |
19:28 |
tenplus1 |
heh... I rewrote MoreBlocks for Xanadu... removed stairsplus and lightened the load :P |
19:28 |
Raven262 |
I mean, look at the first mod in WIP mods https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18457 |
19:28 |
Raven262 |
This is what it looks like last few months |
19:28 |
Raven262 |
mods are like this one |
19:29 |
tenplus1 |
replacing blocks already in world, and using on_generate so it's slower |
19:29 |
Raven262 |
Its something that one can write in ~20 minutes :P |
19:30 |
Raven262 |
Making a 32px texture here requires some ~30 and more for making it just right. |
19:31 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
19:31 |
rubenwardy |
easy mods are easier |
19:31 |
rubenwardy |
we need to get orwell back to work on advtrains :( |
19:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi ruben |
19:31 |
rubenwardy |
yo |
19:32 |
rubenwardy |
orwell is still around, just not modding |
19:32 |
Raven262 |
Good to know. |
19:32 |
Raven262 |
Really don't wanna see that mod getting abandoned. |
19:32 |
Raven262 |
Hi btw |
19:33 |
CWz |
we need a new minetest bigshot modder |
19:33 |
Raven262 |
Someone who has a vision. |
19:33 |
tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
19:34 |
rubenwardy |
we should motivate jordan4ibanez to come back https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4712679 |
19:34 |
tenplus1 |
someone with time to actually mod |
19:34 |
paramat |
i have some epic mods, just haven't updated them in a while ^_^ |
19:34 |
tenplus1 |
hi paramat |
19:35 |
CWz |
watershed was good |
19:35 |
CWz |
and the floatlands mod |
19:35 |
Raven262 |
Some of them are in v7 now. |
19:36 |
tenplus1 |
yeah I liked floatlands, might be good to add the biomes into mt_game :P |
19:36 |
CWz |
v7 overated abit |
19:36 |
CWz |
i much prefer v6 |
19:36 |
Raven262 |
I prefer that new mapgen that was recently added. |
19:37 |
CWz |
v8? |
19:37 |
Raven262 |
Nah |
19:37 |
CWz |
what ever happened to v8 |
19:43 |
rubenwardy |
paramat is working on it |
19:43 |
paramat |
v8 was coming but i changed the name |
19:43 |
rubenwardy |
;) https://www.patreon.com/paramat |
19:43 |
paramat |
because version names aren't a good idea anymore |
19:43 |
paramat |
aww thanks |
19:43 |
tenplus1 |
carpathian or something ? |
19:44 |
paramat |
yes that |
19:44 |
paramat |
i'm adding a new mapgen before 0.5.0, mostly done |
19:45 |
tenplus1 |
is this the one that uses layers ???? |
19:48 |
CWz |
i recall watershed being added to c++ |
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20:01 |
paramat |
yes this is an evolved watershed in c++ |
20:01 |
tenplus1 |
paramat: does it have the layers feature you were working on ? |
20:02 |
paramat |
no, sorry |
20:02 |
tenplus1 |
*sobs*. whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
20:03 |
paramat |
it could eventually but it's difficult |
20:03 |
tenplus1 |
map layering adds a lot more to calculate I dare say :P |
20:04 |
paramat |
i still think stacked realms is an excellent idea, and should be done |
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20:04 |
tenplus1 |
+1 million |
20:04 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
20:05 |
Jordach |
kitteh managed to hit my power button |
20:05 |
paramat |
it's just i haven't found a quality way how to yet |
20:05 |
paramat |
heh |
20:06 |
paramat |
i thought i'd concentrate on creating a good single layer first, as the project is overwhelming |
20:07 |
paramat |
then maybe add stuff later or start new mapgens |
20:08 |
tenplus1 |
so many ideas to implement, just finding time to add them :D |
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tenplus1 |
hi Aerozoic |
20:13 |
Aerozoic |
wazup peeps |
20:14 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
20:21 |
rdococ |
hi |
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20:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi nrz |
20:22 |
nerzhul |
hi |
20:29 |
tenplus1 |
nite all |
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20:43 |
Fixer |
ï¼£ï½ï½ï½ï½‰ï½Œï½…ã€€ï¼ ã€€ï¼§ï½…ï½”ã€€ï½“ï½ï½”isfï½ï½ƒï½”iï½ï½Ž |
20:43 |
Aerozoic |
O_o |
20:43 |
Megaf |
I'm compiling FlightGear at this time |
20:44 |
Fixer |
Megaf: ï½—ï½ï½’ï½ï½‰ï½Žï½‡ã€€ï½ï½•ï½’ ï½ï½Œï½ï½Žï½…t ï½ï½Žï½… cï½ï½ï½ï½‰ï½Œï½… ï½ï½” ï½ã€€ï½”iï½ï½… |
20:45 |
IhrFussel |
@server owners: Would you allow someone with a name that contains "satan" on your server? A player with such a name gives me a bad impression..am I alone with this? |
20:45 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: alone |
20:45 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, I do understand your point and too dislike the name |
20:46 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, however, on my server I respect everyones freedom |
20:46 |
Megaf |
as long as that freedom doesnt cause any harm to any other player or building |
20:46 |
Megaf |
so talking about religion, sex and drugs is allowed on my server, and so is dating and the name sata |
20:46 |
Megaf |
satan* |
20:46 |
Fixer |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJUb6mBVwAAbUSD.jpg:large |
20:46 |
Megaf |
Fixer, that's scary |
20:47 |
paramat |
what's the full name though? |
20:47 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, besides, there are people called Jesus and there are people called Satan |
20:47 |
IhrFussel |
Dating and roleplay is allowed on my server too..illegal and inaprropriate topics for kids are not |
20:48 |
IhrFussel |
paramat, SONOFSATAN and yes he has his own server (SONOS) |
20:48 |
Megaf |
my server do have a 18+ years flag on it tho |
20:48 |
paramat |
ah |
20:48 |
Fixer |
and it is full of android people |
20:48 |
IhrFussel |
It could be offending to religious people IMO |
20:49 |
paramat |
hmm well 'satan' is not damaging to kids used to demons and devils in fantasy stories, it could mean a fictional demon |
20:49 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: then you will probably need to shutdown it, since I guarantee you can offend because of anything in this modern age |
20:50 |
IhrFussel |
Freedom of speech is a big misconception: It actually does NOT allow you to do/say whatever you want...some things can be restricted and will have consequences |
20:51 |
paramat |
not quite as bad as 'trump' :D |
20:51 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
20:52 |
Fixer |
depends on server owners |
20:52 |
IhrFussel |
I had a player named Donald_Trump too...he was just a troll (to nobody's surprise) |
20:52 |
Fixer |
seen that too, confirm |
20:52 |
paramat |
i guess it's down to the religious views of the server owner, personally i find christian, muslim and jewish themes offensive :] |
20:53 |
IhrFussel |
I'm talking about law...law also affects server owners AFAIK |
20:53 |
IhrFussel |
If a player does illegal things you are forced to react as owner or else could be in trouble...at least that's how it is in my country |
20:54 |
rubenwardy |
calling yourself satan isn't illegal |
20:54 |
IhrFussel |
I wasn't refering to that name...just in general |
20:54 |
Fixer |
i hope that kids does not also visit 4chan along the way |
20:56 |
IhrFussel |
I'm just saying I'm cautious because of that law...I want to "eliminate" any potential danger...that doesn't mean I have a kids-only server, I just want to be safe |
20:56 |
Shara |
I actually had a few conversations with Sonofsatan before, including about his name, and he's welcome on my server so long as he follows my rules. |
20:58 |
Shara |
(which he did each of the few times he was there) |
20:59 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, that may be but I don't have the time to start a convo with any player who seems to have a "bad" name and to ask for a reason to choose that name |
20:59 |
Fixer |
I'm not offended by satan or whatever, but I'm extremaly offended by cobble boxes @ give me admin @ I will exterminate |
20:59 |
Shara |
Which is your choice as a server owner, Fussel. |
21:00 |
Shara |
I don't stop and make conversation with many players with "bad names" either, but there's far more offensive names to choose than his. |
21:00 |
Fixer |
you have not seen offensive |
21:01 |
Shara |
And I'm saying this despite having some a reaosnable number of christian players on my server. |
21:01 |
Shara |
-some* |
21:01 |
Fixer |
i've seen adolf with usual jew related hatejokes |
21:01 |
IhrFussel |
I work on my server full time, many hours a day...so when I'm finally done with my daily coding I want to relax on my server and not discuss/argue about such topics ... which is why I asked you guys what you think |
21:01 |
Shara |
Fussel, I just don't see it as something worth a ban. |
21:02 |
Shara |
There are names I would ban for, but his wouldn't be one. |
21:02 |
Shara |
Though i usually /kick and /setpassword to some random thing on the first offence to see if they get the message and switch to something better :) |
21:03 |
IhrFussel |
I didn't attempt to ban him... I just saw his name in the logs and was curious about your opinions |
21:03 |
Fixer |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJhLOBNWAAAA1QM.jpg:large |
21:05 |
Shara |
Unless the name is outright profanity, then a name might make me keep an eye on someone a bit more, but that would likely be it. |
21:05 |
Shara |
Oh, and I don't like people who try to use names that sound like the server name |
21:05 |
Shara |
Or are impersonating a known admin/moderator either on my own or other servers |
21:08 |
IhrFussel |
What if your moderator is "GoodGuy01" for example and someone else joins as "GoodGuy"? I think it would be wrong to assume that the person tried to impersonate your moderator |
21:08 |
Shara |
Maybe, but on the other hand, when Shara2 signs in and starts threatening to ban my players, it's pretty obvious something is up :) |
21:09 |
Shara |
And if IhrFussel showed up on one of my servers and started asking for privs, you can bet I'd be checking with you on IRC pretty quickly. |
21:09 |
Shara |
Because while I trust you quite a bit, odds are it wouldn't be you. |
21:10 |
IhrFussel |
That's a different matter...nobody who's not part of the staff team should be allowed to threaten anybody to ban them |
21:10 |
IhrFussel |
I did that too when you first joined I think |
21:10 |
Shara |
Yea, but usually the impersonators are doing it to act a certain way. |
21:11 |
Shara |
So it can be a name + action combo that does it |
21:11 |
IhrFussel |
Server owners should always verify the person in some way if they claim to be the owner of another server or MT devs/contributors |
21:12 |
Shara |
But sadly many don't. |
21:12 |
IhrFussel |
I hope those are mainly kids |
21:12 |
Shara |
I've had more than one worried server owner message me after they already did /grant all and only then got worried... |
21:13 |
IhrFussel |
Not sure if I would advise anyone to ever use /grant all |
21:13 |
rubenwardy |
some idiots do https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=18437 |
21:14 |
Shara |
I've only handed out full privs to three people ever. Two on RC and one on DL. |
21:15 |
Shara |
And one of the ones on RC was the person I worked with when first setting up the server, and the one on DL was Zeno :P |
21:15 |
rubenwardy |
so, turns out my site has been broken to a lot of people for a month or so because HTTP on IPv6 was broken |
21:15 |
rubenwardy |
*HTTPS |
21:15 |
rubenwardy |
the HTTPS server block wasn't listening on IPv6 :( |
21:15 |
rubenwardy |
I remember someone in here complaining about it |
21:17 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, if you know the person for a long time and can trust them it's fine of course but /grant all grants every single priv that exists and many server owners don't even understand some of those privs |
21:18 |
IhrFussel |
I myself didn't understand "protection_bypass" until I read the bones code |
21:19 |
Shara |
Fussel, I know. Pretty sure there are a few commands I still don't fully understand. |
21:19 |
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21:19 |
Shara |
But for me, trusting someone with that level of control of my server means I must trust them enough not to mess with anything they might not understand. |
21:20 |
sfan5 |
granting "server" to people is still dangerous |
21:20 |
IhrFussel |
Many mods add privs you never heard of before...and in the worst case the priv name makes no sense |
21:21 |
Shara |
I won't add any mod without reviewing it in full these days |
21:21 |
IhrFussel |
Personally I would only give the server priv to someone who has access to my server machine IF I wanted a 2nd admin...but I find everything to be more managable alone (maybe I'm a bit arrogant in that regard) |
21:22 |
Shara |
Well, Zeno was my co-admin on DL and did (actually still does) have full access to the server. |
21:23 |
Shara |
And the one person who currently has full privs on RC has been admining for me for over a year and has always made a point of double checking things and working out what I'm happy with or not. |
21:24 |
Shara |
It's certainly not something I'd do with a normal moderator |
21:24 |
IhrFussel |
That's totally ok then...like I said in your case you do nothing wrong...I mean you still risk a tiny chance that one of those full priv players could someday ruin your life, but such a risk is everywhere |
21:25 |
Shara |
Well, any player with WE could also make huge problems after all |
21:25 |
IhrFussel |
Yes, although a player with just WE priv couldn't as much damage |
21:26 |
IhrFussel |
Unless you have no backups |
21:26 |
Shara |
But in absolute worst case, I'd still only lose a week worth of the map, since I make off server copies as well. |
21:26 |
sfan5 |
>not having backups |
21:27 |
IhrFussel |
Backups take a long time (at least in my case) which is why I don't create them daily |
21:27 |
Shara |
Same. |
21:27 |
Shara |
But I won't do less than weekly |
21:28 |
Megaf |
Speaking of IDEs again, I'm thinking about giving this a try http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/developerstudio/overview/index.html |
21:28 |
Megaf |
it has it's own compiler |
21:28 |
IhrFussel |
I tried to create one during runtime once...and part of the map got corrupted...never again |
21:29 |
Shara |
Ouch, yes.. RC always gets shut down while I do backups |
21:29 |
IhrFussel |
I mean realtime backups could work great if the map is only a few MBs |
21:29 |
Shara |
Both my servers are 10GB+ |
21:30 |
IhrFussel |
My map reached the 15 GB mark now and I already have to compress it to be able to upload it to my Google Drive |
21:30 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: kek, admin stupidity over 9000 or kid |
21:30 |
rubenwardy |
I quite want to start a server based on the 1940s |
21:31 |
rubenwardy |
with subways |
21:31 |
rubenwardy |
and some steam punch |
21:31 |
rubenwardy |
*punk |
21:31 |
Shara |
I think RC is around 13GB. Creative maps seem to grow a bit slower than survival, since players aren't riddling the map with tunnels everywhere to mine |
21:31 |
Fixer |
Minetest as in Minecraft Punk |
21:31 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: I'm not letting you steal my master subway builder :D |
21:32 |
rubenwardy |
do you have actual subways? |
21:32 |
Shara |
RC has a whole subway network |
21:32 |
rubenwardy |
hmmm |
21:32 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: expecting Pruner648 or whatever on your 1940 steampunk server building a new "fancy" cobble-leave-dirt unfinished (((structure))) without roof |
21:32 |
Shara |
My players actually started drawing maps of it |
21:32 |
rubenwardy |
do you have a subwaycarmod? |
21:33 |
Shara |
Sadly no |
21:33 |
Shara |
But the stations are interesting |
21:33 |
Shara |
This is an old map someoine sketched up.. there are a lot more lines/stations now |
21:33 |
Shara |
http://rc.minetest.tv/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/RCTransportNetwork.png |
21:34 |
IhrFussel |
One of my moderators is planning a subway net on my server too but she hasn't really progressed xP |
21:34 |
Shara |
whoareyou is the master at subways |
21:35 |
IhrFussel |
WE helps greatly with tracks/tunnels |
21:36 |
IhrFussel |
Just //stack x/z 500 and you can relax for a bit |
21:36 |
rubenwardy |
Mr_Pardison won't give me admin |
21:36 |
rubenwardy |
what a party pooper |
21:39 |
Shara |
He's one of my newest moderators :) |
21:39 |
rubenwardy |
nice |
21:41 |
Megaf |
Shara, is there rails in the subway? |
21:42 |
rubenwardy |
the loading is quite tight |
21:42 |
Megaf |
I should make a map of my subway network too... |
21:43 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, creative servers tend to have LOTS of nodes |
21:43 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
21:43 |
rubenwardy |
it's theotically possible to make Minetest distributed |
21:43 |
rubenwardy |
hmmm |
21:44 |
Megaf |
And this is super cool http://www.mbblp.ml/advanced-trains-website/ |
21:44 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, meaning? Servers share media? |
21:44 |
rubenwardy |
you could have additional processes just serving blocks in a read only fashion |
21:44 |
rubenwardy |
so it would be a lot quicker to load blocks |
21:44 |
rubenwardy |
but no faster to write to them |
21:45 |
rubenwardy |
maybe even a little bit slower, as you'd need to tell the chunk servers to stop sending the old version |
21:45 |
Shara |
Megaf: Rails yes. |
21:47 |
rubenwardy |
I kinda want to do some programming now |
21:47 |
rubenwardy |
make a proxy server that sits in front of Minetest |
21:48 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, I need a lot of programming to do, I'm developing a game console |
21:48 |
rubenwardy |
and speeds up block loading by distributing the sending of older blocks |
21:48 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
21:48 |
rubenwardy |
problem is that mods can modify map blocks |
21:49 |
rubenwardy |
oh, but that'll be indicated by the server sending a block change message to the client, and through the proxy |
21:49 |
paramat |
someone should create mini-train vehicles for those subways then |
21:49 |
rubenwardy |
paramat, advtrains |
21:49 |
rubenwardy |
the code is... interesting though |
21:49 |
Shara |
How well does that mod actually run on servers? |
21:50 |
rubenwardy |
clever code, not very clear to read for multiple reasons |
21:50 |
rubenwardy |
Shara, runs very well on my 1 player server |
21:50 |
Shara |
I honestly hate finding a hundred or so carts going round on tracks by themselves and so on as it is |
21:50 |
Megaf |
[22:50:19] * #lighttpd :You have joined too many channels |
21:50 |
Shara |
SOme players do stupid things... |
21:50 |
Megaf |
OH NO! |
21:50 |
paramat |
advtrains is probably too complex |
21:50 |
rubenwardy |
Megaf, what's your channel list? |
21:50 |
rubenwardy |
if you don't mind me asking |
21:51 |
IhrFussel |
advtrains is overkill if you just want a simple subway vehicle |
21:51 |
Aerozoic |
How is it possible that players can still change their chat color when i have strip_color_codes = true |
21:52 |
paramat |
i was thinking just a nicer looking cart with speed controls |
21:52 |
IhrFussel |
Aerozoic, are you sure you use 0.4.16-dev that supports the setting? |
21:52 |
rubenwardy |
oh damn, I'll need to modify Minetest as it doesn't support a proxy real-ip |
21:52 |
Aerozoic |
The server is running 4.16 stable |
21:52 |
IhrFussel |
I think the setting was added after stable |
21:53 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy, my freenode channels http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/master/whois.txt |
21:53 |
Shara |
The thing is, on a server where I grant people fly and fast by default, riding somethign on rails isn't helpful for transport. |
21:53 |
IhrFussel |
Aerozoic, but there is another way..one sec |
21:53 |
Shara |
It doesn't really add anything other than novelty value. |
21:53 |
IhrFussel |
Aerozoic, minetest.strip_colors(message) |
21:53 |
Shara |
So if there is any performance hit at all, I can't justify adding it. |
21:54 |
Aerozoic |
IhrFussel, it seem you are right. I'm not a coder, how do i use that? |
21:54 |
IhrFussel |
Just add it to any register_on_chat_message callback of a mod |
21:54 |
Aerozoic |
ok thanks |
21:55 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: RC is back up without silly mapload issues now, if you want to check more subways |
21:56 |
IhrFussel |
Aerozoic, if there's no mod with that callback let me know and I'll do a pastebin for you |
21:57 |
Aerozoic |
IhrFussel, i have a mod for my server specifically to add custom code. I think it's simple enough i can look at the api and write it :) I'll let u know if i get lost. |
22:00 |
benrob0329 |
Blender 2.9 has been released !!! |
22:00 |
rubenwardy |
Shara, just wondering, what backend do you use, do you have an SSD, and do you use RAMDISK? |
22:01 |
Shara |
The VPS itself uses an SSD |
22:02 |
IhrFussel |
Aerozoic, was a matter of 2 minutes https://pastebin.com/88ijwssv |
22:02 |
rubenwardy |
ahh good |
22:02 |
rubenwardy |
the blocks are loading now |
22:02 |
Shara |
I've never looked at RAMDISK though. |
22:03 |
Shara |
Yes, the server has had a load of traffic today, and something was slowing it down. Restart cleared it though. |
22:06 |
Aerozoic |
thanks IhrFussel, that's more complicated than i thought. I doubt i would've figured that out. |
22:07 |
Calinou |
hi |
22:08 |
IhrFussel |
Aerozoic, the "return true" tells the engine to cancel the original message |
22:08 |
rubenwardy |
hi Calinou loggingbot_ |
22:08 |
rubenwardy |
argh |
22:08 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: sure, I can submit a pull request to add AppImage builds, it should be pretty easy |
22:08 |
Calinou |
(Ubuntu 14.04 image + linuxdeployqt, which, despite its name, works on non-Qt apps) |
22:08 |
Calinou |
KaadmY: so yeah, I was at a LAN party playing some CS:GO, I also played Q3A with some guy :D |
22:09 |
Calinou |
KaadmY: if you're around, we can play right now, or tomorrow |
22:10 |
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22:10 |
rubenwardy |
strangely satisfying symmetry |
22:11 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/aJh63OweME.png |
22:11 |
Jordach |
>ramps and angels in a cube game |
22:11 |
Aerozoic |
Megaf, thanks for mentioning flightgear! I will be trying it soon! :D |
22:11 |
Jordach |
THIS ISN'T FUCKING QUAKE |
22:11 |
Jordach |
OUT OUT OUT |
22:11 |
sfan5 |
.bsp importer for minetest when |
22:11 |
* Shara |
hides |
22:12 |
rubenwardy |
there's a subway station directly below it |
22:12 |
Megaf |
Aerozoic, FlightGear is awesome |
22:12 |
Shara |
It's an "in development" area |
22:12 |
benrob0329 |
I can agree with Megaf |
22:13 |
rubenwardy |
> the piano doesn't make a sound when punching/right clicking it |
22:13 |
rubenwardy |
what madness is this |
22:13 |
Shara |
I stripped a lot of sounds! |
22:13 |
Shara |
Because I am heartless and evil! |
22:14 |
Shara |
Though a piano probably should be allowed to have sound. |
22:16 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/aJh63OweME.png |
22:16 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/ZcEzg8ogUn.png |
22:16 |
rubenwardy |
reminds me of the old hunger games server |
22:16 |
rubenwardy |
the first one |
22:16 |
Fixer |
The wall? |
22:17 |
Shara |
A lot of long term players have founded cities, which are apparently threatening war with each other. I guess that one went for defence? |
22:17 |
rubenwardy |
second image |
22:17 |
Fixer |
we gï½ï½Žï½Žï½ã€€ï½‚uild the wï½ï½Œï½Œï¼Žã€€ï½„ï½…ï½ï½ï½’t ï½ï½Žï½„ï½’ï½ï½‰ï½„ users. |
22:18 |
Jordach |
Fixer, ultimate solution |
22:18 |
rubenwardy |
you may have a problem with ICE and seeing through walls: https://i.rubenwardy.com/aNjBLFGjzL.png |
22:18 |
Jordach |
have a picture of a VHS tape or Laserdisc |
22:18 |
Jordach |
kids don't understand those items entirely |
22:18 |
Shara |
Ice is intentionally |
22:19 |
Shara |
that way |
22:19 |
Jordach |
if they call a Laserdisc a CD, then :thonking: |
22:19 |
Fixer |
Jordach: thats way to subtle |
22:19 |
Fixer |
too* |
22:19 |
Shara |
Try the command /cat winter and you'll see the build we changed the ice for |
22:19 |
Jordach |
Fixer, technically, using the commands /vhs or /laserdisc would be an idea |
22:20 |
rubenwardy |
ah cool |
22:20 |
rubenwardy |
seen that in the images |
22:20 |
Jordach |
but using /cd /bluray or /dvd is a free ban |
22:21 |
Shara |
Wanted to get the effect of the icde having slid over the building, so you can still see parts inside the ice |
22:21 |
Shara |
ice* |
22:21 |
Shara |
And well, see-through ice just makes more sense to me |
22:23 |
Fixer |
Jordach: do this with minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKogADME4wY |
22:25 |
Aerozoic |
IhrFussel, minetest.strip_colors doesn't appear in 4.16 stable api |
22:25 |
IhrFussel |
Aerozoic, it will work, I use it on my server too |
22:26 |
Aerozoic |
ok, i will try it thanks :) |
22:26 |
IhrFussel |
My server is 0.4.16-dev but essentially stable cause it was compiled on stable release day |
22:28 |
IhrFussel |
Aerozoic, it's in my doc/api.lua "* `minetest.strip_colors(str)` * Removes all color escape sequences." |
22:29 |
Aerozoic |
IhrFussel, yeah i switched to the 4.16 tag on github.com and it's not listed. |
22:29 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe look for "color.strip_colors" I think someone made a typo |
22:30 |
Aerozoic |
yes that is there, so that's why i was wondering |
22:30 |
IhrFussel |
Yep the typo was fixed in dev |
22:30 |
Aerozoic |
ok |
22:34 |
IhrFussel |
I'm out for today see ya, good night/morning/afternoon |
22:35 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: Audio isn't distorted enough 🤔 |
22:35 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: background noise is present |
22:36 |
benrob0329 |
Still sounds too clear |
22:36 |
benrob0329 |
needs more tracking noise too |
22:36 |
Fixer |
could be |
22:36 |
Fixer |
where is my VHS? |
22:36 |
Fixer |
where are my tapes? |
22:37 |
Fixer |
where is my video out? |
22:37 |
benrob0329 |
I don't even have a player that's not in storage atm |
22:38 |
benrob0329 |
I have some tapes, but to deck -_- |
22:38 |
Fixer |
and wth those videocards don't have video out |
22:38 |
benrob0329 |
*no |
22:38 |
benrob0329 |
you can rout it through your tv |
22:38 |
Fixer |
yeah, but TV is in other room |
22:39 |
benrob0329 |
buy a long cable then :^) |
22:39 |
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22:44 |
Fixer |
DVI to VGA to S-Video converter |
22:44 |
Fixer |
or dvi to svideo |
22:47 |
Fixer |
http://forums.afterdawn.com/threads/dvi-to-s-video-or-rca.705636/ LOL |
22:47 |
Fixer |
read to the end |
22:58 |
Megaf |
So I just bought a Raspberry Pi 0 online. |
22:58 |
Fixer |
Pi 0? |
22:58 |
Megaf |
Yes, because 1, 2 and 3 are too mainstream |
22:58 |
Fixer |
worst buy ever |
22:59 |
Megaf |
Fixer, https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-zero/ |
22:59 |
benrob0329 |
0 is the micro/tiny made-to-embed thing |
22:59 |
Megaf |
Fixer, 4 pounds... |
22:59 |
Fixer |
ok |
22:59 |
Fixer |
ay |
22:59 |
Megaf |
still think is the worst buy ever? |
22:59 |
Fixer |
what is the use? |
23:00 |
Megaf |
4 pounds the Pi0, 80 cents for VAT and 4 pounds to ship, 8.80 pounds total |
23:00 |
Megaf |
That one pint of beer in some pubs in Ireland |
23:00 |
Megaf |
that's |
23:00 |
Fixer |
Megaf: but what are you planning to do with it? |
23:01 |
Megaf |
[22:48:14] <Megaf> ...I need a lot of programming to do, I'm developing a game console |
23:01 |
Fixer |
o_________0 |
23:01 |
Megaf |
No, it will not run Minetest... |
23:02 |
Calinou |
the Pi 0 can play Minecraft Pi Edition |
23:02 |
Calinou |
my brother made a video on it |
23:02 |
Megaf |
it will run my fork of it tho |
23:02 |
Calinou |
171,000 views :P |
23:02 |
Calinou |
it's kind of clickbait |
23:03 |
Calinou |
it's his 7th top video (by view count) |
23:03 |
Fixer |
https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Pi_Edition |
23:03 |
Megaf |
I can't believe I bought a brand new computer for 4 Pounds. SMP, Gigabyte of RAM, 4 pounds, what a time to be alive |
23:04 |
Calinou |
the Pi Zero has 512 MB of RAM, not 1 GB |
23:04 |
Fixer |
.__. |
23:04 |
benrob0329 |
the Pi3 has 1 gb of ram |
23:04 |
Megaf |
ok, half gb then |
23:04 |
Calinou |
fun fact: "While operating at 700 MHz by default, the first generation Raspberry Pi provided a real-world performance roughly equivalent to 0.041 GFLOPS.[25][26] On the CPU level the performance is similar to a 300 MHz Pentium II of 1997–99." |
23:04 |
Calinou |
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi) |
23:04 |
benrob0329 |
...a game console with half a gig of ram? I've seen worse |
23:05 |
Calinou |
I gave up on running Doom on my Raspberry Pi, couldn't get accelerated desktop rendering to work :| |
23:05 |
Calinou |
that was last year |
23:05 |
Calinou |
(RPi 3, I also have an ODroid C2, which is 40% faster) |
23:05 |
Fixer |
doom on whaaat? it needs software rendering |
23:05 |
Calinou |
both of them are sitting in a drawer, since 1 year ago |
23:05 |
Calinou |
Fixer: the desktop needs to be accelerated still |
23:05 |
Calinou |
using GLES or something |
23:05 |
Calinou |
if it uses software framebuffer, it's just too slow |
23:05 |
Fixer |
Calinou: why? |
23:06 |
Fixer |
Calinou: you are too fast |
23:06 |
Calinou |
dragging windows was very, very slow |
23:06 |
Fixer |
Calinou: slow down |
23:06 |
Calinou |
uh? |
23:06 |
Fixer |
Calinou: disable window moving render |
23:06 |
benrob0329 |
You don't need a desktop to run doom... |
23:06 |
Fixer |
Calinou: show window borders only when moving |
23:06 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: yes, you can run it in a pure framebuffer |
23:06 |
Calinou |
both have a 1-year-old Arch Linux ARM install |
23:07 |
Calinou |
I never got 3D to work there |
23:07 |
Calinou |
:( |
23:07 |
Fixer |
Calinou: and disable smooth scrool in browser |
23:07 |
Calinou |
despite both having GLES 2.0 support |
23:07 |
Calinou |
anyway, it doesn't matter anymore |
23:07 |
Megaf |
Calinou, they say 3D works now a days |
23:07 |
Calinou |
I don't *need* theù |
23:07 |
Calinou |
them* |
23:07 |
Fixer |
Calinou: on the other hand... wtf you need to run doom on raspberry pi in the first place? |
23:08 |
benrob0329 |
dedicated doom console? |
23:08 |
Megaf |
I used to run DOOM on my first gen iPod Nano |
23:08 |
Megaf |
And watch videos on it too |
23:08 |
Fixer |
Megaf: naaah |
23:09 |
Calinou |
Fixer: /r/itrunsdoom |
23:09 |
Megaf |
By the way, DOOM on Linux on iPod Nano |
23:09 |
Megaf |
with a thing called iPodLinux |
23:10 |
Fixer |
doom on windows ce |
23:10 |
* Fixer |
checks |
23:11 |
Fixer |
Megaf: i've played Elite on windows ppc 2002/2003 PDA with like dpad and two buttons |
23:12 |
benrob0329 |
Doom on NetBSD on a toaster |
23:12 |
Fixer |
also, state of the art playback of porn on 320x240 with tuned bitrate for achiving 100% playback speed |
23:12 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, oh no! not that BSD toaster |
23:12 |
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23:12 |
Megaf |
that's old man |
23:13 |
benrob0329 |
it still happened :P |
23:13 |
Fixer |
bsd toaster is not real, says hacked linux powered fish tank |
23:14 |
benrob0329 |
🤔 |
23:14 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: but can it run porn? can you connect display to a toaster? |
23:15 |
Fixer |
also, ï½—ï½ï½™ï½Œï½ï½Žï½„ |
23:15 |
Fixer |
X11 is deï½ï½„ sï½ï½ï½Ž |
23:15 |
Fixer |
* |
23:15 |
benrob0329 |
x11 will remain alive until wayland supports all its functionality |
23:15 |
Fixer |
* shï½ï½•ï½Œï½„ be reï½ï½„y in 2ï¼ã€€ï½™ï½…ï½ï½’s |
23:16 |
benrob0329 |
and it shouldn't be adopted until then |
23:16 |
Fixer |
** ï½ï½Œï½’ï½…ï½ï½„y sï½ï½…nt 1ï¼ã€€ï½™ï½…ï½ï½’s ï½ï½Žã€€ï½‰ï½” |
23:16 |
benrob0329 |
also, I don't watch porn so I don't have that issue :-) |
23:17 |
Fixer |
it still crï½ï½“hes thï½ï½•ï½‡ï½ˆï¼Œã€€ï½“ï½ï½ï½…where in ï¼ï¼Žï¼•ã€€ï½ï½Œï½ï½“ï½ï½ã€€ï½ƒï½’ï½ï½“h rï½ï½”ï½‰ï½ |
23:18 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: porn on 2003 year handheld pda can be considered advanced, with like 275MHz cpu |
23:19 |
Fixer |
ï½ï½Žï½„ it hï½ï½„ sï½ï½•ï½Žï½„ ï½ï½•ï½”ï½ï½•ï½” jï½ï½ƒï½‹ |
23:19 |
Fixer |
fï½ï½’ yï½ï½•ï½’ heï½ï½„ï½ï½ˆï½ï½Žï½…s |
23:19 |
Megaf |
I dont watch porn either *cleans the keyboard* |
23:19 |
benrob0329 |
There is an old windows based PDA around here somewhere I should try to install *nix on |
23:20 |
Fixer |
linux was installed on some HPs with success |
23:20 |
Calinou |
gtg, night |
23:20 |
Megaf |
night Calinou |
23:20 |
benrob0329 |
gnight |
23:21 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyxXwnA-rcI |
23:22 |
Megaf |
!title |
23:22 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zceMD5Lll4 insanity |
23:23 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: link previews :^) |
23:23 |
Megaf |
Good night all |
23:24 |
benrob0329 |
night |
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23:43 |
Fixer |
# Downloaded from # |
23:43 |
Fixer |
#StarPort - FC WHQ# |
23:43 |
Fixer |
# 24H V32bis # |
23:43 |
Fixer |
not bad |
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