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rdococ |
For Some Reason, I Imagine People Who Talk Like This Sound Like Purple Shep |
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| 08:41 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 08:46 |
lisac |
hey tenplus1 |
| 08:46 |
lisac |
tenplus1, my mod is mostly finished https://github.com/lisacvuk/minetest-levels |
| 08:46 |
tenplus1 |
hi lisac :) checking link |
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tenplus1 |
looks good :) now to make it play nice with 3d_armor |
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* tenplus1 |
hunts for XP :PPP |
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tenplus1 |
hi Megaf |
| 08:53 |
Megaf |
Hello onenety two minus one |
| 08:53 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
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| 08:54 |
tenplus1 |
hi nrz |
| 08:54 |
Megaf |
You know, adult video hosting websites have the share button |
| 08:54 |
tenplus1 |
they do ? |
| 08:54 |
Megaf |
everyone, including me, was like, why the heck this sites have a share button |
| 08:54 |
Megaf |
is not like we are going to share on facebook, hey grandma, look at this video I found |
| 08:55 |
tenplus1 |
who would share that they are watching porn :PPPP lol |
| 08:55 |
nerzhul |
hey |
| 08:55 |
Megaf |
But man, sometimes you find some videos that are so good, so good, you really want to share them |
| 08:56 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehehe |
| 08:56 |
tenplus1 |
the only adult movie I watched that was worthy of sharing was a funny musical of alice in wonderland :D |
| 08:57 |
tenplus1 |
o.O |
| 08:57 |
Megaf |
oh boy |
| 08:57 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 08:57 |
Megaf |
I found two videos this week, on this week and one last week, they were totally worth material to share |
| 08:58 |
Megaf |
"Your Individual Supporter role expired on 2017-08-28. If you would like to renew your role as an Individual Supporter, please go to https://www.linuxfoundation.org/members/individual-supporter/support and click the Support Today button. You’ll notice that updates that have been made to the program, including a lower annual cost." |
| 08:58 |
Megaf |
already? |
| 08:58 |
Megaf |
I think Linux years doesnt have 360 days... |
| 08:58 |
tenplus1 |
for a second there I thought you posted the links to your +1 videos... ahahahahah |
| 08:59 |
Megaf |
That would get me a notice here and a kick at least |
| 09:00 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 09:01 |
tenplus1 |
omgubuntu.co.uk has an article on a fully linux mobile phone with full privacy/encryption :) looks awesome, but pricey |
| 09:01 |
nerzhul |
i think at a point i should work on minetest memory usage |
| 09:02 |
nerzhul |
2GB of memory usage is too big |
| 09:02 |
nerzhul |
i suspect the node metas to be the problem |
| 09:02 |
tenplus1 |
2gb ? my game has never reached that high unless a server has 100's of mods |
| 09:02 |
nerzhul |
tenplus1, how many ? |
| 09:03 |
tenplus1 |
my game sits at a happy 400mb on xanadu... the server itself is 1.5gb |
| 09:03 |
Megaf |
tenplus1, the intro of the video you mentioned, is it very old style? |
| 09:03 |
Megaf |
For research purposes |
| 09:04 |
tenplus1 |
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/purism-librem-5-linux-phone-crowdfunding |
| 09:04 |
tenplus1 |
Megaf: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074113/ |
| 09:05 |
Megaf |
eh, you just shared a video here |
| 09:05 |
tenplus1 |
nope, the imdb page review :D |
| 09:08 |
Megaf |
Im watching a non comic version |
| 09:08 |
Megaf |
Im mean |
| 09:08 |
Megaf |
researching |
| 09:08 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 09:08 |
Megaf |
skipping through the video |
| 09:08 |
nerzhul |
https://twitter.com/raichoo/status/901775641808396289 |
| 09:08 |
nerzhul |
hahah |
| 09:08 |
Megaf |
theres actually music in there |
| 09:09 |
tenplus1 |
lol nrz |
| 09:09 |
tenplus1 |
yeah Megaf, it's a musical/comedy/adult movie |
| 09:09 |
Megaf |
nerzhul, I have something for ya too, hold on |
| 09:11 |
Megaf |
https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/103683575509787472991/6458897298054742594?icm=false&iso=true |
| 09:11 |
tenplus1 |
ahahahah |
| 09:16 |
tenplus1 |
oss, alsa or pulse ? what you use ? |
| 09:16 |
Megaf |
tenplus1, the video I found and watching is the same you shared the imdb page |
| 09:17 |
Megaf |
it's quite, entertaining indeed. |
| 09:17 |
Megaf |
In a funny way |
| 09:17 |
Megaf |
and the image about the ALSA project is epic |
| 09:17 |
tenplus1 |
lol::P |
| 09:18 |
Megaf |
I'm trying to figure out how do I renew my Linux subscription... |
| 09:18 |
tenplus1 |
if you get something worthwhile out of it then yes :) |
| 09:20 |
Megaf |
tenplus1, I'm using mostly PulseAudio with Alsa backend |
| 09:20 |
Megaf |
that's the default on Debian |
| 09:21 |
Megaf |
and it's been working quite well |
| 09:21 |
tenplus1 |
same... only ever used alsa before but it seems firefox is pushing it as default -.- |
| 09:21 |
Megaf |
Now and then I use Jack |
| 09:21 |
Megaf |
but my favourite is OSS |
| 09:21 |
Megaf |
used it back in the day, it was just perfect |
| 09:22 |
Megaf |
nerzhul, I think you missed it. https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/103683575509787472991/6458897298054742594?icm=false&iso=true |
| 09:23 |
tenplus1 |
https://technophobeconfessions.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/cautionary.png?w=700 |
| 09:27 |
nerzhul |
i don't missed it, but i don't have anything to say about it |
| 09:28 |
Megaf |
do you undestand the joke in that? |
| 09:28 |
tenplus1 |
of course :) that's how I staerted with linux too |
| 09:28 |
tenplus1 |
thankfully it's a lot easier to do a normal install and get things working, but back in the day... omg!! |
| 09:29 |
Megaf |
Im in the next stage |
| 09:29 |
Megaf |
I put the kernel to compile and soon after that I go to sleep |
| 09:29 |
tenplus1 |
lol, automated already :) sweet |
| 09:33 |
Megaf |
Fuck you Linux! Not even your subscription thin works well https://www.linuxfoundation.org/membership/individual/enroll/ |
| 09:33 |
Megaf |
I renewed this thing twice already, paid 99 USD each time |
| 09:34 |
Megaf |
in the history or purchases shows only one |
| 09:34 |
Megaf |
I'm pretty sure is not time to renew again, but my subscription is already ended |
| 09:34 |
tenplus1 |
eek |
| 09:34 |
Megaf |
now, I finally found a way to renew, and the plan I had before no longer exists |
| 09:35 |
Megaf |
now I have to get the individual and pay extra to get the email address |
| 09:35 |
Megaf |
and nowhere shows how much is the email address |
| 09:35 |
tenplus1 |
add an issue :PP |
| 09:35 |
Megaf |
for the student subscription the email address is 150 USD |
| 09:35 |
Megaf |
at least that a one time fee |
| 09:37 |
Megaf |
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/participate/supporter/lifetime-email-add-on |
| 09:37 |
Megaf |
If you’re currently an Individual Supporter, you have the option to purchase a Linux.com email alias for life. |
| 09:37 |
Megaf |
One-Time Fee: $150.00 |
| 09:37 |
Megaf |
fuck them |
| 09:37 |
tenplus1 |
if it's that much hassle to renew I'd skip it |
| 09:37 |
Megaf |
I'm doing this only because linux.com is my email in my cv... |
| 09:38 |
tenplus1 |
no email is worth 150 quid |
| 09:38 |
Megaf |
they say is life time |
| 09:38 |
tenplus1 |
would be cheaper getting a fastmail.com account |
| 09:38 |
Megaf |
lifetime, that is, forever or as long as I keep my 49 USD/year subscription active? |
| 09:39 |
Megaf |
tenplus1, is not even an email, is just an alias so you can receive emails there |
| 09:39 |
tenplus1 |
noooope! |
| 09:39 |
tenplus1 |
not worth it |
| 09:39 |
Megaf |
you think Microsoft is bad |
| 09:39 |
Megaf |
hat Google is Evil |
| 09:39 |
Megaf |
Linux foundation is the worst thing there is |
| 09:39 |
tenplus1 |
try fastmail |
| 09:39 |
Megaf |
I need linux.com email... |
| 09:40 |
Megaf |
all my professional contacts have as linux.com |
| 09:40 |
Megaf |
"Sorry, you cannot purchase a Lifetime Email Add-On product at this time, because you are not an Individual Supporter." |
| 09:40 |
Megaf |
Im fucking am! |
| 09:41 |
Megaf |
for two years! |
| 09:42 |
tenplus1 |
youtubekeeps recommendnig me weird channels I dont even like |
| 09:47 |
tenplus1 |
soundsl ike they can handle supporters a lot better |
| 09:47 |
tenplus1 |
than they currently are |
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tenplus1 |
hi Darc |
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| 10:20 |
tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
| 10:21 |
Fixer |
hi |
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| 10:23 |
tenplus1 |
hi lisac |
| 10:23 |
tenplus1 |
Lucky Blocks now has intllib support (and russian translateion added) |
| 10:24 |
nore |
tenplus1: intllib, or the new minetest.translate? :) |
| 10:24 |
tenplus1 |
hi nore |
| 10:24 |
tenplus1 |
I didnt know we had minetest.translate |
| 10:25 |
nore |
it's a new thing ;) |
| 10:25 |
nore |
and hi all ^^ |
| 10:25 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, sounds interesting... will it be in 0.5.0 ? |
| 10:27 |
Shara |
Hi everyone |
| 10:27 |
tenplus1 |
hi Shara :) |
| 10:27 |
Shara |
Hi Ten :) |
| 10:27 |
nore |
tenplus1: yep, well, it's already merged :) |
| 10:28 |
tenplus1 |
kewl, will wait until 0.5.0 release then update all my mods to use it... |
| 10:50 |
Raven262 |
Hi ten, Shara, nore |
| 10:50 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven :P |
| 10:50 |
Shara |
Hi Raven262 :) |
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tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
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tenplus1 |
wb tommy |
| 11:20 |
nerzhul |
tenplus1, 0.5.0 is not just a breakage compat, we have added many features, and we will continue to add many features :p |
| 11:21 |
tenplus1 |
for now I'm on 0.4.16-dev (19th july) so i can edit mods and run xanadu without too much trouble... once 0.5.0 is released I can switch it all up to that version |
| 11:21 |
tenplus1 |
if we had 0.5.0-dev running alongside stable release it'd be easier fo testing/updated |
| 11:21 |
tenplus1 |
*s |
| 11:22 |
nerzhul |
tenplus1, yeah, 0.5.X branch will be declared as stable branch on release, but it's not before some months i think, there is many work to do on the core cleanup |
| 11:22 |
tenplus1 |
that's ok... I can wait :0 |
| 11:22 |
nerzhul |
(and i really want a base Npc framework in core for 0.5.0) |
| 11:23 |
nerzhul |
i think i will create a daily build server on my dedicated for testers |
| 11:23 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 11:23 |
tenplus1 |
same... I wanna update everything to the new functions and remove any deprecated commands from my mods |
| 11:23 |
tenplus1 |
hi Cal |
| 11:23 |
nerzhul |
tenplus1, the mod API stability will be kept across 0.4 to 0.5, it's the only exception |
| 11:24 |
nerzhul |
one missing thing, i think, is we don't have any min_ver max_ver in mods, i think we may add a such thing permitting modders to ensure players and server owners are updating mods |
| 11:24 |
tenplus1 |
once 0.5.0 is released I'll be updating ALL of my mods to that version and urging players to update themselves |
| 11:24 |
nerzhul |
nice :p |
| 11:25 |
tenplus1 |
Xanadu will also be upped so that 0.5.0 minimum will be required to play... |
| 11:27 |
nerzhul |
old clients cannot connect to 0.5.0 , now it's possible but when the protocol breakage PR will be merged, it will be finished, and we will keep the max version until release happen |
| 11:28 |
tenplus1 |
kewl... this will also limit the many clones in the app stores from running as well |
| 11:28 |
tenplus1 |
ppl will be forced to use official minetest 0.5.0 to get on |
| 11:28 |
nerzhul |
it's a side effect, but clones generally update fast, for good clones |
| 11:28 |
nerzhul |
others will just be uninstalled from end users because it will never work |
| 11:29 |
tenplus1 |
sounds like a good plan |
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tenplus1 |
hi Tommy |
| 11:30 |
ThomasMonroe |
please dont call me that |
| 11:30 |
tenplus1 |
okie... *Thomas |
| 11:30 |
ThomasMonroe |
call me Tre if you want a simple name |
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| 11:34 |
tenplus1 |
wb Megaf |
| 11:34 |
tenplus1 |
Farming Redo updated - added min/max light settings to api and growing routine |
| 11:35 |
ThomasMonroe |
nice |
| 11:35 |
tenplus1 |
time for noms :PP |
| 11:38 |
tenplus1 |
*addition - also handles node mesh rotation for crops... almost forgot that one |
| 11:45 |
Megaf |
Thanks |
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tenplus1 |
hi caleb |
| 11:51 |
CalebDavis |
hi ten |
| 12:08 |
Megaf |
Folks, what happen to you when you are about to finish your first coffee in the morning, or soon after finishing it? |
| 12:11 |
tenplus1 |
craving a biccie :P |
| 12:11 |
nerzhul |
i take a shower and go working because i need money :p |
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tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
| 12:14 |
IhrFussel |
Hello tenplus1 |
| 12:20 |
Fixer |
FINISH HIM |
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tenplus1 |
hi robbie |
| 12:28 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, someone recommended me your glass pane mod and I added it :P |
| 12:29 |
Shara |
:D |
| 12:29 |
Shara |
Fussel, you should update abriglass too. There were a lot of changes |
| 12:30 |
Wayward_One |
hi all |
| 12:30 |
tenplus1 |
hi wayward |
| 12:31 |
Shara |
Hi Wayward_One |
| 12:32 |
CWz |
A wayward |
| 12:36 |
RobbieF |
Hi all |
| 12:36 |
RobbieF |
Heya tenplus1 |
| 12:36 |
RobbieF |
Did everyone have a nice weekend? |
| 12:36 |
tenplus1 |
worked weekend, am kinda glad it's over now... ehehehe |
| 12:36 |
tenplus1 |
hows u |
| 12:39 |
ThomasMonroe_ |
yeah i had a nice weekend RobbieF, expected a hurricane, got light showers XD |
| 12:40 |
RobbieF |
glad to hear it. |
| 12:40 |
RobbieF |
heh tenplus1 |
| 12:40 |
RobbieF |
yeah I had a great weekend. Spent saturday working at the studio (deep clean in preparation for our 10th anniversary) but I enjoyed it despite the work. Yesterday we took the family to the fair, so that was great. |
| 12:40 |
tenplus1 |
wow, 10 already |
| 12:41 |
RobbieF |
mhmm |
| 12:42 |
RobbieF |
so trying to make the studio look really fresh |
| 12:42 |
RobbieF |
oh, we got new PTZ cameras too |
| 12:42 |
RobbieF |
I haven't set them up (just arrived Friday) but one of them is on the desk |
| 12:42 |
RobbieF |
just to test the signal |
| 12:43 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, Done |
| 12:43 |
tenplus1 |
ooh |
| 12:44 |
RobbieF |
I have it uploading a picture to FTP |
| 12:44 |
RobbieF |
thought it'd be neat to have a "live" still shot on the site when we're on the air |
| 12:45 |
tenplus1 |
sounds good :) |
| 12:45 |
RobbieF |
Yeah. And through the week, it serves as a supplemental surveillance camera :D |
| 12:45 |
RobbieF |
'cause I can just access the photos it uploads |
| 12:45 |
RobbieF |
so I don't have to connect to the pvr |
| 12:45 |
tenplus1 |
neat camera :P |
| 12:46 |
RobbieF |
sure is |
| 12:46 |
RobbieF |
I'm hoping the PTZ will be nice for on-air so we can zoom in and pan around as needed |
| 12:47 |
tenplus1 |
just make sure there's no back door for the NSA to get in :D |
| 12:47 |
RobbieF |
haha |
| 12:47 |
RobbieF |
I don't have it open to the world |
| 12:48 |
RobbieF |
hence, the FTP action |
| 12:48 |
RobbieF |
ie, it *sends* the pictures... people don't connect in to see them. |
| 12:48 |
RobbieF |
the interface itself will be LAN only |
| 12:53 |
IhrFussel |
Dang my map is 15 GB now...how small can I get it with zip? |
| 12:54 |
IhrFussel |
I use Google Drive as cloud service for my world so 15 GB is cap |
| 12:54 |
tenplus1 |
zip isnt that great, try 7zip |
| 12:55 |
IhrFussel |
I'm trying gzip right now, is it the same as zip? |
| 12:56 |
tenplus1 |
see if it helps |
| 12:56 |
RobbieF |
IhrFussel perhaps backup the map but not the rollback.sqlite file? |
| 12:56 |
IhrFussel |
I have no rollback enabled, 15 GB is just the world map |
| 12:57 |
RobbieF |
k |
| 12:57 |
RobbieF |
time to upgrade your cloud storage :) |
| 12:57 |
RobbieF |
Dreamhost gives 50 GB for just $5 / mo |
| 12:57 |
IhrFussel |
Nah I think as zip I can get it down to 8-10 GB I guess |
| 12:58 |
RobbieF |
Heh |
| 12:58 |
* RobbieF |
holds tongue about good backup practices :) |
| 12:58 |
IhrFussel |
Depending on how extreme I want the compression to be maybe even 5 |
| 12:58 |
tenplus1 |
eheh |
| 12:58 |
tenplus1 |
Xanadu is around 45gb now |
| 12:59 |
IhrFussel |
I'm trying gzip on an older 8.4 GB map backup right now and it takes pretty long already |
| 13:00 |
IhrFussel |
WITHOUT the -9 (best) option |
| 13:03 |
IhrFussel |
RobbieF, I already pay $30 / month for my dedi...I really don't want to have to pay more just for this service |
| 13:03 |
RobbieF |
why not setup a raspberry pi at home and have it backup to an external drive off-site? |
| 13:04 |
IhrFussel |
Most ISPs in Germany forbid you to use your private connection as server traffic |
| 13:04 |
IhrFussel |
It counts as "breaking the contract" |
| 13:05 |
nerzhul |
when you use online.net you have access to C3 and backup cost is... 0.0019 per GB if i remember :p |
| 13:05 |
nerzhul |
per month |
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| 13:06 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: try tar.xz instead |
| 13:07 |
IhrFussel |
nerzhul, I don't want another contract I already pay monthly for my home connection, phone tariff and dedi...and I don't have that much money |
| 13:08 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, does that mean more compressed? |
| 13:08 |
sfan5 |
tar.xz uses LZMA which is much better than gzip |
| 13:09 |
IhrFussel |
Ok well gzip is done with the 8.4 GB file now and shrunk it down to 3.8 ... pretty good I'd say |
| 13:10 |
IhrFussel |
Will probably get even smaller with the --best option |
| 13:12 |
IhrFussel |
My problem is that I NEED a cloud provider with command line interface...for Google Drive I found gdrive on github, but not many offer such a CLI upload service I think |
| 13:12 |
nerzhul |
IhrFussel, ansible |
| 13:12 |
nerzhul |
just use ansible for cloud orchestration |
| 13:13 |
IhrFussel |
Since ALL my world files are on my dedi, there is 0 files on my local machine |
| 13:13 |
nerzhul |
AWS, Azure, GCE, VMware, Netapp, etc |
| 13:13 |
nerzhul |
all are supported |
| 13:13 |
nerzhul |
sfan5, can you add a comment on trivial #6331 please ? |
| 13:14 |
* RobbieF |
is running du -h to see how large our backup is at TPS |
| 13:15 |
RobbieF |
381 GB |
| 13:15 |
tenplus1 |
oof!!!! |
| 13:15 |
RobbieF |
I am able to roll any server/player/file back to any day in time. |
| 13:15 |
RobbieF |
That is a proper backup |
| 13:15 |
RobbieF |
And it is stored in multiple locations. |
| 13:15 |
tenplus1 |
we only back up world/mod/player info |
| 13:16 |
RobbieF |
TBF we do have a fair number of popular servers, too... (ie. not just one map) |
| 13:17 |
RobbieF |
Our main backup system has a capacity of 9 TB and has dual drive fault tolerance. |
| 13:17 |
tenplus1 |
nice... we run a 120gb ssd and backup to an external usb3 1tb drive :D |
| 13:17 |
tenplus1 |
using .sh script |
| 13:17 |
IhrFussel |
Another reason to never use minetesthosting.com I think...you have no access to any backups right? |
| 13:18 |
tenplus1 |
really ? |
| 13:18 |
tenplus1 |
that's an essential |
| 13:18 |
IhrFussel |
At least the free service doesn't give you any shell access I think |
| 13:19 |
IhrFussel |
I'm collecting these reasons to warn people who are tempted to open a server there |
| 13:20 |
tenplus1 |
good idea... list the good and bad and let them decide if it's really what they wanna do |
| 13:20 |
sfan5 |
minetesthosting is not for serious server hosts and this is not a problem |
| 13:20 |
sfan5 |
it's for kids who "just" want their own server |
| 13:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi sfan, and yeah... quick n easy... for the dedicated server owner there's way better available |
| 13:21 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, but that doesn't make it any better...what if those "kids" put MUCH time into it? |
| 13:22 |
RobbieF |
can mods access any folder within the map? Ie., could we make a MOD that backs up a server? |
| 13:22 |
RobbieF |
(for such cases) |
| 13:23 |
IhrFussel |
Not sure if the worlds have a size cap there but you can even build something HUGE with just 100 MB data |
| 13:23 |
IhrFussel |
RobbieF, AFAIK doing a backup during runtime is very dangerous and critical |
| 13:23 |
sfan5 |
RobbieF: i don't think the free plan allows any mods |
| 13:23 |
sfan5 |
like i said it's not for serious server admins |
| 13:24 |
IhrFussel |
The free plan only has the default game I think |
| 13:24 |
tenplus1 |
that's why we use a custom desktop to run Xanadu... can control every aspect of server |
| 13:24 |
RobbieF |
k |
| 13:25 |
RobbieF |
Yeah: Us SERIOUS admins have 9 TB backup servers ;) |
| 13:25 |
tenplus1 |
eheheh... |
| 13:25 |
IhrFussel |
RobbieF, but your mod idea could still work in the on_shutdown() callback...not sure if the server still does anything critical with the database in that state |
| 13:26 |
RobbieF |
mhmm might be an idea for little servers. |
| 13:26 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, a quick backup on shutdown would be ideal then |
| 13:27 |
IhrFussel |
Can lua create backups? I'm guessing it needs an insecure environment |
| 13:27 |
RobbieF |
if the mod was trusted, could it also set a schedule to automatically shutdown at a time? |
| 13:27 |
tenplus1 |
am sure you can run os.execute commands to handle backup on_shutdown |
| 13:28 |
RobbieF |
nice. |
| 13:28 |
RobbieF |
in which case you can also use os.execute commands to tar.gz :D |
| 13:28 |
tenplus1 |
and if command./script sets the filename to time/date then it's easy to handle all backups for noobz |
| 13:29 |
IhrFussel |
I don't think you can just run os.execute() in a mod file o.o |
| 13:29 |
RobbieF |
I think the trickiest part would simply be getting the user access to the resulting output file |
| 13:29 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, and not doing backups on server crash etc |
| 13:30 |
tenplus1 |
limit to 1 per day |
| 13:30 |
RobbieF |
mhmm |
| 13:31 |
RobbieF |
also would have to be sure it happens based on time, not timer. Eg., if set to "24 hour" timer, a server crash would reset it to 0. |
| 13:31 |
RobbieF |
so then backup would never happen |
| 13:31 |
tenplus1 |
yeh |
| 13:33 |
IhrFussel |
You could simply store the timestamp of the last backup in a file |
| 13:36 |
IhrFussel |
Or even better: write(os.time()+86400) ... if os.time()>tsfromfile then --do another backup end |
| 13:37 |
tenplus1 |
RobbieF: what format do you use for maps ? |
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| 13:40 |
tenplus1 |
hi twoelk |
| 13:40 |
twoelk |
o/ |
| 13:43 |
RobbieF |
tenplus1 our maps are leveldb |
| 13:44 |
RobbieF |
+ rollback.sqlite |
| 13:44 |
tenplus1 |
ahh, are those smaller/better than sql ? |
| 13:44 |
RobbieF |
faster |
| 13:44 |
RobbieF |
and since we run everything in RAM.... |
| 13:44 |
RobbieF |
everything's buffered and optimized for performance. |
| 13:44 |
tenplus1 |
kewl... we tried converting Xanadu mk.2 to leveldb but had many issues, so reverted back to sql |
| 13:44 |
RobbieF |
swaps to the SSD only when the operation is complete. |
| 13:45 |
RobbieF |
For example, if a user breaks a brick, then places another, then adds three more bricks, why write every operation to the disk as it occurs? What a waste of resources + drive life... instead, we wait until that player is done, and flush the entire thing to disk as needed. |
| 13:45 |
RobbieF |
The results rather than the process |
| 13:46 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, how'd you manage that ? |
| 13:46 |
RobbieF |
everything is running in RAM |
| 13:46 |
RobbieF |
fancy caching, basically |
| 13:46 |
tenplus1 |
heh... nice |
| 13:46 |
tenplus1 |
we only have 8gb tho... heh |
| 13:46 |
RobbieF |
and of course, my local copy of MTSA is more sophisticated than the public copy (for now... until I can create public-ready files) |
| 13:46 |
RobbieF |
our server has 24 GB ram |
| 13:47 |
RobbieF |
and 2 Xeon processors |
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| 13:48 |
tenplus1 |
wb lisac |
| 13:52 |
tenplus1 |
nice spec Robbie, the original Xanadu was on an Intel Celeron D (2.4ghz) with 6gb... ehehehe... gotta ask Shinji what we're running now |
| 13:55 |
RobbieF |
wow |
| 14:01 |
nerzhul |
RobbieF, migrate to postgresql |
| 14:01 |
nerzhul |
tenplus1, migrate to postgresql |
| 14:02 |
nerzhul |
postgresql 9.6 |
| 14:02 |
tenplus1 |
what are the advantages ??? |
| 14:02 |
nerzhul |
it's a real DB |
| 14:02 |
nerzhul |
unlike sqlite3 which is cheap SQL db :p |
| 14:02 |
IhrFussel |
RobbieF, MT doesn't write every action to disk, it writes changes to disk in certain intervals |
| 14:02 |
nerzhul |
very robust data consistency, memory buffers |
| 14:02 |
nerzhul |
IhrFussel, yeah, it's on each server step :p |
| 14:03 |
nerzhul |
(if data modified) |
| 14:03 |
IhrFussel |
nerzhul, huh? Nah I set it to 15.3 secs |
| 14:03 |
tenplus1 |
is it faster than sql/leveldb ? |
| 14:03 |
nerzhul |
s/sql/sqlite3 |
| 14:03 |
nerzhul |
sql is a language, sqlitE3 is the engine, and PostgreSQL is another engine :p |
| 14:03 |
nerzhul |
PostgreSQL is faster than sqlit3 if you tune postgres correctly |
| 14:04 |
tenplus1 |
o.O sounds complicated |
| 14:04 |
IhrFussel |
"server_map_save_interval = 15.3" <<< unless this setting is misleading |
| 14:04 |
nerzhul |
tune postgresql to have 512MB shared_buffer |
| 14:04 |
nerzhul |
it should be sufficient to keep minetest indices in ram, other data will be in disk cache |
| 14:05 |
tenplus1 |
would be nice to have a thread detailing the map formats and there main advantages/disadvantages |
| 14:09 |
Wayward_One |
there's this: http://wiki.minetest.net/Database_backends |
| 14:09 |
IhrFussel |
nerzhul, you are wrong: https://pastebin.com/q7hNJyhy |
| 14:09 |
IhrFussel |
Default interval is 15 secs |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
thx wayward :P |
| 14:10 |
Wayward_One |
np :) |
| 14:10 |
nerzhul |
tenplus1, postgresql is for dedicated server, not personal local servers |
| 14:10 |
nerzhul |
it's a database engine, used by Yandex for all their relational data, for example |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
Xanadu is a dedicated server |
| 14:10 |
nerzhul |
how many memory ? |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
16gb |
| 14:11 |
nerzhul |
okay, 16gb only for MT ? |
| 14:11 |
tenplus1 |
yeh |
| 14:11 |
nerzhul |
lol |
| 14:11 |
nerzhul |
okay |
| 14:11 |
tenplus1 |
does it use a lot more memory ? |
| 14:11 |
nerzhul |
then PostgreSQL 9.6 + 2GB shared_buffer should be sufficient |
| 14:11 |
nerzhul |
(shared_buffer is a postgresql configuration key) |
| 14:11 |
nerzhul |
it uses what you want it to use |
| 14:12 |
nerzhul |
less memory = less performance |
| 14:12 |
nerzhul |
for a dedicated postgresql server, the general usage is 50% RAM = shared_buffer |
| 14:12 |
tenplus1 |
what if server crashes ? does it save what's in memory |
| 14:12 |
nerzhul |
postgresql doesn't care about client crash |
| 14:12 |
nerzhul |
it's transactional |
| 14:12 |
nerzhul |
it's a remote process, not in MT, MT only has client |
| 14:13 |
nerzhul |
if no transaction, data isn't moving, then consistent |
| 14:13 |
nerzhul |
if you are writing a transaction but commit not sent and your server crahs, transaction is aborted, no data modified |
| 14:13 |
nerzhul |
if you crash while commit order is sent, commit will be applied and data is consistent |
| 14:13 |
tenplus1 |
that's handy... and since it uses memory cache it's a lot faster than sql? |
| 14:14 |
nerzhul |
yes |
| 14:14 |
nerzhul |
+ index in memory (shared_buffer) and frequent requests in memory too |
| 14:14 |
tenplus1 |
and the database itself, is it smaller or larger than sql ? |
| 14:14 |
nerzhul |
shared_buffer = real process usage, other is disk cache |
| 14:15 |
nerzhul |
it should be a little bit bigger |
| 14:15 |
nerzhul |
due to the indexes |
| 14:15 |
tenplus1 |
gotta test it out for a while before switching... we only have 120gb ssd |
| 14:15 |
nerzhul |
data will be equivalent, as it's the same format, but index in PG uses different format/storage and are a little bit bigger than sqlite as SQLITe use magic(x,y,z) for index, and postgresql uses x,y,z |
| 14:17 |
nerzhul |
another point, tenplus1 with postgresql as it's an external processus, you can query and write to db while minetest is running, if needed |
| 14:17 |
nerzhul |
it's not recommended, but possible |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
so we could essentially backup map while game is running ? |
| 14:18 |
nerzhul |
exact |
| 14:18 |
nerzhul |
pg_dump is transactional |
| 14:18 |
nerzhul |
it will save the map as the exact moment you queried the backup |
| 14:18 |
nerzhul |
pg_dump minetest | gzip > minetest.gz |
| 14:19 |
nerzhul |
if needed, (but not any minetest server owner usage) you can also have 2 postgresql instances on multiple servers and replication |
| 14:19 |
nerzhul |
but it's a very must have |
| 14:21 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
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| 14:28 |
tenplus1 |
wb behalebabo |
| 14:29 |
behalebabo |
ty |
| 14:32 |
RobbieF |
tenplus1 yes, if server crashes, everything is saved to disk safely and the server does some checks and then reloads. |
| 14:32 |
tenplus1 |
w00t! sounds safer than current setup... am impressed |
| 14:32 |
RobbieF |
getting busy - so any questions for me please say my name so I see it |
| 14:32 |
tenplus1 |
okies :P |
| 14:32 |
RobbieF |
tenplus1 this is MTSA |
| 14:32 |
RobbieF |
(Minetest Server Administrator) |
| 14:33 |
RobbieF |
that's what powers all the TPS servers |
| 14:33 |
RobbieF |
it's a multi-user server hosting environment. |
| 14:33 |
tenplus1 |
:) |
| 14:33 |
tenplus1 |
1 is more than enough here :DDD |
| 14:33 |
RobbieF |
:D |
| 14:33 |
RobbieF |
so multi-map then. |
| 14:33 |
RobbieF |
ie., all our maps share the same binaries/system files/mods/etc. |
| 14:34 |
RobbieF |
however, other users on the same server get their own binaries/system files/etc |
| 14:34 |
RobbieF |
and each has its own /backup folder with its own backup as previously described. |
| 14:34 |
RobbieF |
and of course, our servers support the Minecraft Skin Converter from our site & that's all 100% automated. |
| 14:34 |
tenplus1 |
yeah saw that one :) nicely done webpage |
| 14:35 |
RobbieF |
cheers |
| 14:42 |
tenplus1 |
err... turns out we only have 8gb memory... whoops... ehehe... running FX6300 (3.2ghz) tho |
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| 14:50 |
Megaf |
tenplus1, uh, no welcome back? |
| 14:50 |
Megaf |
how sad |
| 14:50 |
tenplus1 |
ooh sorry dude, was reading up on databases there :) |
| 14:50 |
tenplus1 |
chat screen was covered |
| 14:50 |
tenplus1 |
wb Megaf :PPP |
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| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
wb behalebabo, Fixer |
| 15:23 |
Fixer |
ty |
| 15:23 |
Megaf |
oh no! |
| 15:23 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 15:23 |
Megaf |
bzip2 is S I N G L E T H R E A D!! |
| 15:24 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, slow ? |
| 15:24 |
Megaf |
that's such a waste of SSD and CPU cores... |
| 15:24 |
tenplus1 |
yeh |
| 15:24 |
Megaf |
so many MB/s left to be used |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
and 108% of the CPU just sitting there |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
actually the rest of the CPU is compiling stuff... |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
heh, |
| 15:25 |
Calinou |
xz is multi-threaded now |
| 15:25 |
Megaf |
but my SSD still pretty much not used |
| 15:25 |
Calinou |
bzip2 is mostly obsolete by now |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
xz is better, gzip is faster |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
bzip2 is just a "meh" compromise between both |
| 15:26 |
Megaf |
disk write, 4 MB/s... |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
but you don't need it, since you can use a better compression level in gzip, or a faster compression level in xz |
| 15:26 |
Megaf |
I used to use lzma for personal stuff |
| 15:27 |
Megaf |
meh, I have several GB/s of IO available and bzip2 is writing stuff at 3.6 MB/s |
| 15:27 |
Megaf |
common |
| 15:27 |
Megaf |
Calinou, can I extract .tar.bz2 using xz? |
| 15:27 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 15:28 |
Calinou |
no |
| 15:30 |
tenplus1 |
why do certain mods in minetest-mods say it has been updated within the last 24 hours when NO changes have been done since april ???? |
| 15:30 |
tenplus1 |
does it count issues/pulls as changes ? |
| 15:32 |
lisac |
hey tenplus1 can anyone enter minetest-mods? |
| 15:32 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest-mods |
| 15:32 |
lisac |
no 'Join now!' button :( |
| 15:32 |
tenplus1 |
if you have a mod for submission you have to sign it over to the minetest-mods group |
| 15:33 |
lisac |
oh, great. Lemme get levels mod working properly first. :D |
| 15:34 |
lisac |
also, can we get this on Xanadu? https://github.com/lisacvuk/minetest-ignored |
| 15:36 |
tenplus1 |
will haev to test it for a bit beforehand... make sure it plays nice with all other mods |
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tenplus1 |
wb Caleb |
| 15:37 |
CalebDavis |
thx |
| 15:39 |
CalebDavis |
ten what biome do you think i should add next to my subgame i already have a iceland a ice crystal forest and a frozen forest |
| 15:39 |
lisac |
okay ten :D |
| 15:40 |
tenplus1 |
crashes in singleplayer |
| 15:42 |
tenplus1 |
change line:53 to - if not players or players == 0 then |
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* tenplus1 |
wonders if Megaf bought a dodgy modem.router ? |
| 15:44 |
Megaf |
just chaning font setting in hexchat |
| 15:44 |
Megaf |
Oxygen Mono 6 now |
| 15:45 |
tenplus1 |
gotta google that one :p never seen it |
| 15:45 |
* tenplus1 |
uses this; https://fonts.google.com/?query=ubuntu+mono |
| 15:49 |
Megaf |
I'm quite happy with Oxygen Mono font |
| 15:49 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 15:49 |
Megaf |
very legible, even at size 6 |
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| 15:51 |
Calinou |
size 6 sounds minuscule |
| 15:51 |
Calinou |
I'm using Segoe UI 11 here, and I used to use size 10 but it's a bit small |
| 15:51 |
tenplus1 |
lisac: https://github.com/lisacvuk/minetest-ignored/pull/1 |
| 15:52 |
Megaf |
My HexChat http://i.imgur.com/6mtVXXC.png |
| 15:52 |
tenplus1 |
not bad, but looks busy |
| 15:53 |
sfan5 |
your font is tiny |
| 15:53 |
Megaf |
those huge white spaces between nicks and channels are bothering me tho |
| 15:53 |
Megaf |
Dont know how to fix that |
| 15:54 |
tenplus1 |
split browser/hexchat so it makes better use of horizontal space |
| 15:55 |
tenplus1 |
thats how I do it... chat/pcmanfm on one side, browser/console on other |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
my IRC (repost): https://lut.im/DmByx3Eq3E/t08VuYsCcZUufvqM.png |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
I might decrease the contrast a bit |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
it's a bit high right noxw |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
now* |
| 15:56 |
rubenwardy |
how many channels are you on? |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
haven't counted, I'd say 50-60 |
| 15:56 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
on 4 networks |
| 15:57 |
rubenwardy |
oh, freepost |
| 15:57 |
Megaf |
my desktop currently http://i.imgur.com/mtAdIU3.png |
| 15:57 |
Megaf |
sfan5, fonts are not so tiny desktop wise |
| 15:57 |
Calinou |
how do you read this?! |
| 15:58 |
sfan5 |
those look tiny af to me |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
the terminal *technically* can be read, but really… |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
also, nice ASCII Porn |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
can I have some? |
| 15:58 |
* Calinou |
hides |
| 15:58 |
Megaf |
hah |
| 15:59 |
Megaf |
I was wondering who would ask first |
| 15:59 |
sfan5 |
here is how a sensible font size looks like https://a.uguu.se/WmZ3glOKClUw_Bildschirmfoto_2017-08-28_17-58-55.png |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
small, but readable, yeah |
| 16:00 |
Megaf |
I have to make up for the low resolution on a big screen |
| 16:00 |
tenplus1 |
Ubuntu Mono 9 here, it's tidy and readable :) |
| 16:00 |
Megaf |
15.x" screen at 768 pixes vertical... |
| 16:00 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: yeah that's font size 9 |
| 16:00 |
Calinou |
15.6" 768p is an insult to society |
| 16:01 |
Calinou |
the manufacturers making those displays should be prosecuted for blasphemy |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
my IRC client: https://i.rubenwardy.com/rd1n2UVJMT.png |
| 16:01 |
Calinou |
I've had to use two laptops like that |
| 16:01 |
sfan5 |
ew non-monospace |
| 16:01 |
Calinou |
(to set them up for other people) |
| 16:01 |
Calinou |
I use a proportional font for IRC as well… ASCII art is rare today |
| 16:01 |
Calinou |
I can't live without colored nicks myself, though |
| 16:01 |
Calinou |
especially since there's no avatars :P |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
I prefer colored nicks |
| 16:02 |
rubenwardy |
however my theme is broken, so some just don't have enough contrast |
| 16:02 |
Megaf |
[17:01:06] <Calinou> the manufacturers making those displays should be prosecuted for blasphemy |
| 16:02 |
rubenwardy |
I should probably fix that at some point |
| 16:02 |
Megaf |
agreed |
| 16:02 |
Megaf |
[17:01:22] <sfan5> ew non-monospace |
| 16:02 |
Megaf |
very much ew indeed |
| 16:02 |
rubenwardy |
<Calinou> 15.6" 768p is an insult to society |
| 16:02 |
rubenwardy |
agreed |
| 16:03 |
rubenwardy |
I recently bought a new monitor |
| 16:03 |
rubenwardy |
my old one was 19" 1366x768, new one is 23" 1080p. So much better |
| 16:03 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/1xyXSePwxu.jpg |
| 16:04 |
rubenwardy |
oops |
| 16:04 |
tenplus1 |
https://ibin.co/3YS5Uq67CU6p.jpg my current desky |
| 16:04 |
Calinou |
I spent a lot of time making my nick color scheme, since Qt CSS doesn't accept hsl() colors, at least in my version of Quassel |
| 16:04 |
Calinou |
so, I had to convert them to #RRGGBB one by one… |
| 16:04 |
Megaf |
but I use larger fonts in my browser http://i.imgur.com/NWMi2mj.png |
| 16:04 |
Calinou |
unfortunately, the colors are a tad too saturated |
| 16:04 |
Calinou |
and it's hard to change now |
| 16:04 |
Calinou |
(brightening the background might solve this partially) |
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| 16:06 |
tenplus1 |
hi DI3HARD139 |
| 16:06 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/ulFh3Uk8Id.jpg |
| 16:06 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hellol |
| 16:06 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello* |
| 16:07 |
rubenwardy |
yay, fixed my color nicks |
| 16:07 |
Megaf |
two screens :) |
| 16:09 |
rubenwardy |
wish I could have 3, but my laptop doesn't support it. The VGA and HDMI sockets are too close together |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
I have 2 monitors on my desktop |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
primary (32" 1440p AMVA), secondary (24" 1080p TN), both have the same DPI |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
I'd say I could psychically plug two screens, one VGA and one HDMI, not sure if my hardware would support that |
| 16:11 |
* Shara |
counts her number of screens, then hides :P |
| 16:11 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehe |
| 16:11 |
tenplus1 |
got 1x 24" HD screen |
| 16:11 |
Shara |
I was going to have two... but the original one still works so... why remove it? :P |
| 16:11 |
* DI3HARD139 |
shivers at the term 'VGA' |
| 16:12 |
tenplus1 |
lol, old school but works :))))) |
| 16:12 |
Megaf |
cool, you can just ctrl c an image into imgur |
| 16:12 |
DI3HARD139 |
I have 2 as well. 1x 24" 1080p IPS Asus VZ249 and a 22" 1080p TN? Dell S2209W |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
I was a single-monitor user until March 2016 |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
my life changed as I got a 2nd monitor |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
back then, I had two 24" 1080p TN monitors |
| 16:13 |
tenplus1 |
and even with decent sized font its not too crowded: https://ibin.co/3YS5Uq67CU6p.jpg |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
better for twitch shooters, but worse for everything else |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
(AMVA's input lag is high) |
| 16:13 |
DI3HARD139 |
and a 47" 1080p TN LG 47LG50 TV |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
(viewing angles and color accuracy are better) |
| 16:13 |
Megaf |
Just because someone posted a screenshot of their Youtube page I will post too, I have two youtube accounts, here are my recommended videos. http://i.imgur.com/LvftucL.png |
| 16:14 |
DI3HARD139 |
Heres the ultimate question I have for everyone. Would I be stupid to get Dell's 8K monitor? |
| 16:14 |
rubenwardy |
would your computer handle it? |
| 16:15 |
Megaf |
DI3HARD139, what for? |
| 16:15 |
DI3HARD139 |
For Gaming, debatable. But for everything else then yep |
| 16:15 |
rubenwardy |
fffas |
| 16:15 |
rubenwardy |
ARGH |
| 16:15 |
Calinou |
YouTube is recommending a video I made and uploaded to myself: https://lut.im/RohtzZkVXU/ILncPdIwTTNv0FMR.png |
| 16:15 |
Megaf |
Do you really need all that resolution? The ratio size/resolution is ok? Can your computer handle it? |
| 16:15 |
Calinou |
nice try :D |
| 16:15 |
Calinou |
(but I uploaded it on another account) |
| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
I went on to youtube, and got a spoiler for last night's Game of Thrones |
| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
WTF Youtube |
| 16:16 |
DI3HARD139 |
@Megaf Gaming @4k, General usage and Movies/Videos. |
| 16:16 |
Calinou |
welcome to Game of Thrones community |
| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
ffffsss |
| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
you don't put such a spoiler in the title and thumbnail |
| 16:16 |
Megaf |
DI3HARD139, get anything around 30" and 4k |
| 16:16 |
* DI3HARD139 |
will only settle for Resolution and Color accuracy. Could careless about refresh rate. |
| 16:17 |
rubenwardy |
right, that's it |
| 16:17 |
rubenwardy |
I'm leaving the internet |
| 16:17 |
DI3HARD139 |
What??!??!?!? |
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tenplus1 |
hi unk |
| 16:18 |
unk |
hi tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
hi paramat, wb nrz |
| 16:24 |
Megaf |
I would totally wear that shirt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6hQcdjcI9Y |
| 16:27 |
rdococ |
yay |
| 16:27 |
tenplus1 |
hi rdococ |
| 16:30 |
rdococ |
YAY |
| 16:30 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 16:31 |
rdococ |
! |
| 16:31 |
rdococ |
yEY |
| 16:31 |
* rdococ |
hugs tenplus1 |
| 16:31 |
tenplus1 |
you sound quite happy today :PP |
| 16:32 |
rdococ |
yaY |
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tenplus1 |
wb behalebabo |
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| 16:34 |
DI3HARD139 |
@rdococ Can I get some of that coffee but without the lethal substance? |
| 16:34 |
DI3HARD139 |
:P |
| 16:34 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello there Krock |
| 16:34 |
Krock |
hi DI3HARD139 |
| 16:35 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 16:35 |
red-001 |
decaf? |
| 16:35 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock |
| 16:35 |
tenplus1 |
hi red |
| 16:35 |
rdococ |
Without the lethal substance, Rdocco Coffee would be as useless as wa--er... I mean Rdocco Coffee would be the exact same, because no such lethal substance exists! Totally! |
| 16:35 |
DI3HARD139 |
Put extra of that substance in then :P |
| 16:36 |
DI3HARD139 |
If it's that effective |
| 16:36 |
rdococ |
The money we get from Rdocco Coffee is used to provide free funeral plans! |
| 16:36 |
rdococ |
:P |
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* tenplus1 |
sips coffee |
| 16:39 |
rdococ |
Ooh, which coffee is that? |
| 16:39 |
rubenwardy |
screw it, I can't wait 2 hours until tea time |
| 16:40 |
rubenwardy |
gonna make food and then watch GoT |
| 16:40 |
tenplus1 |
L'or |
| 16:40 |
tenplus1 |
rich & aromatic :D |
| 16:41 |
* DI3HARD139 |
never understood why GoT is such a bit deal. |
| 16:41 |
DI3HARD139 |
big* |
| 16:41 |
tenplus1 |
same... gave up after season 2 |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
the first season or two is quite boring, but once you get into it and the characters are estabilished it gets better |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
waay better |
| 16:43 |
* rdococ |
is over here, thinking: "wat is GoT?" |
| 16:44 |
rubenwardy |
the thing I like about GoT is the politics and the relationships between characters. GRRM is some sadistic mad genius that puts all these links between characters, and symbolism |
| 16:44 |
rdococ |
what even is GoT |
| 16:45 |
rubenwardy |
rdococ, Game of Thrones |
| 16:45 |
rdococ |
oh |
| 16:45 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy, can you answer here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5493 |
| 16:45 |
nerzhul |
i need to fix the doc point to merge it :p |
| 16:45 |
rdococ |
NERZHUL! YAY! |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
"A fullscreen background shown behind formspecs when open"? |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
Just wanted to try and make it easier to search |
| 16:46 |
rdococ |
YAy |
| 16:53 |
Megaf |
Who asked about ASCII porn before again? |
| 16:53 |
Megaf |
Calinou, ? |
| 16:53 |
Megaf |
http://www.textfiles.com/art/ASCIIPR0N/ |
| 16:53 |
Megaf |
https://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/ |
| 16:53 |
Megaf |
lol https://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/morepr0n/pr0n02.txt |
| 16:53 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
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CalebDavis |
i gtg see yall later |
| 16:57 |
tenplus1 |
cya |
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IhrFussel |
catch_up = true in ABMs basically means "just change every node after a long time" correct? |
| 16:59 |
Krock |
no, it tries to imitate its behaviour in unloaded mapblocks |
| 17:00 |
Krock |
i.e. executes heck many times to catch up the time it lost |
| 17:00 |
tenplus1 |
which can be damaging to a map depending on what the abm does |
| 17:00 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, yes that explains why my ocean now is a huge bulk of ice |
| 17:01 |
Krock |
also your server lags might be explained with that |
| 17:12 |
DI3HARD139 |
So that's where all those text arts are coming from |
| 17:16 |
* tenplus1 |
mashes the keyboard and comes up with this:http://www.ansigarden.com/wp-content/uploads/edd/2017/05/Jabba_McDs.png |
| 17:17 |
DI3HARD139 |
lol |
| 17:23 |
paramat |
catch_up decreases the 'chance' value once only to simulate the time no players were around, often chance will be changed to 1, causing a very intensive running of the ABM, so in MTG we only use it for crops, if possible try to avoid it |
| 17:23 |
tenplus1 |
wait, arent crops on nodetimers ? |
| 17:24 |
paramat |
duh yes |
| 17:24 |
paramat |
i keep forgetting |
| 17:24 |
paramat |
anyway, when i coded the catch_up bool we kept it on crops only or stuff the player needs to catch up |
| 17:25 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 17:25 |
paramat |
MTG runs much smoother now due to that bool, catch_up used to be always-on |
| 17:25 |
paramat |
causing big lua lags every time a player returned to any area |
| 17:27 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, the erosion mod pre-catch-up destroyed Xanadu mk1... ahahah |
| 17:31 |
IhrFussel |
paramat, but the chance is not only 1 for mapblock right? When I flew above the ocean I witnessed how every mapblock INSTANTLY turned to ice |
| 17:32 |
tenplus1 |
that'll be catchup in action... |
| 17:32 |
IhrFussel |
I thought catch_up would simply "remember" how many times it should've run and simply turns those nodes that meet the chance value |
| 17:33 |
IhrFussel |
I didn't think the chance is actually changed |
| 17:33 |
tenplus1 |
it can over-run a LOT of nodes |
| 17:35 |
paramat |
it tries to compensate for the time with no players by increasing chance, which is of course a crude method, so after any significant time chance it raised as far as it can go and hits 1, so every node gets changed to ice |
| 17:36 |
paramat |
*chance is raised |
| 17:36 |
IhrFussel |
Is that documented? That the ABM actually CHANGES the chance after a while when catch_up = true? |
| 17:36 |
paramat |
maybe, see lua api txt |
| 17:37 |
paramat |
i think i documented that |
| 17:37 |
IhrFussel |
catch_up = true, -- If true, catch-up behaviour is enabled --[[ |
| 17:37 |
IhrFussel |
^ The chance value is temporarily reduced when returning to |
| 17:37 |
IhrFussel |
an area to simulate time lost by the area being unattended. |
| 17:37 |
IhrFussel |
^ Note chance value can often be reduced to 1 ]] |
| 17:37 |
IhrFussel |
Yep |
| 17:37 |
paramat |
good |
| 17:38 |
tenplus1 |
what does your abm do excactly fussel ? |
| 17:39 |
IhrFussel |
So the chance value after X secs/minutes/hours depends on the initial value? For example if chance is 100 then the ABM will change it to 1 after some time, but if it's 1,000 it will not be 1 after the same time? |
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tenplus1 |
wb Fixer |
| 17:40 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, my ABM turns nearby water to ice with a chance of 100 and an interval of 15 ... but I didn't know the exact behavior of catch_up = true so I changed it now |
| 17:41 |
tenplus1 |
turns water into ice when near what ? snow, other ice ? |
| 17:41 |
IhrFussel |
When near ice |
| 17:41 |
tenplus1 |
so it'll continue to spread |
| 17:41 |
IhrFussel |
In fact only when the neighbor noide is ice |
| 17:41 |
twoelk |
lol, just fell into a hole on jt2 completely empty handed - now that hasn't happened to me for quite a while - still a blundering noob after all :-D |
| 17:42 |
IhrFussel |
Yes it's supposed to spread but not like that...I had to replace millions of ice nodes now |
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IhrFussel |
The new behavior seems to be what I want...I watch the water surrounded by ice and sometimes 1 of them becomes ice |
| 17:44 |
paramat |
yes chance is changed according to it's normal value, slower acting ABMs are less likely to hit 1 |
| 17:46 |
IhrFussel |
Is it very slow to use find_near_node with a radius of 1 on every node in the current mapblock? |
| 17:46 |
paramat |
it does soem math to calculate what chance value will cause the expected number of nodes to be triggered to catch up |
| 17:46 |
paramat |
*some |
| 17:46 |
tenplus1 |
fussel, does your abm use find_node_nead ? |
| 17:46 |
tenplus1 |
*near |
| 17:46 |
IhrFussel |
In case a player is completely surrounded by water the ABM will run for every water node |
| 17:47 |
IhrFussel |
Yes it uses find_node_near with a radius of 1 and node default:ice |
| 17:47 |
paramat |
mapblock = 16^3 nodes, do you mean mapchunk 80^3 nodes? |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
why dont you use neighbors = "default:ice" |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
then you can remove the find node near |
| 17:48 |
IhrFussel |
Oh so that's what it's for? |
| 17:49 |
tenplus1 |
yeah :) neighbors only runs the abm if it's near the nodes listed beside water |
| 17:49 |
paramat |
tenplus is correct |
| 17:50 |
tenplus1 |
e.g. this is how I turn water into ice for Ethereal mod: https://github.com/tenplus1/ethereal/blob/master/water.lua#L46 |
| 17:50 |
IhrFussel |
ok so nodenames = {"default:water_source"},neighbors = {"default:ice"}, ? |
| 17:50 |
paramat |
ABM runs 'action' for every 'nodenames' with the defined 'neighbour' |
| 17:50 |
paramat |
yes |
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paramat |
best to study other mods to see how ABMs are used |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
hi calcul0n |
| 17:51 |
calcul0n |
hello |
| 17:51 |
IhrFussel |
And in action just set_node as ice? |
| 17:52 |
tenplus1 |
paramat: does the neighbor act as AND or OR for each node in table ? |
| 17:52 |
tenplus1 |
e.g. neighbor = {"default:ice", "air"} <-- does it need both or only one |
| 17:56 |
tenplus1 |
just tested... it's OR |
| 17:56 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 18:01 |
paramat |
yes OR |
| 18:02 |
paramat |
IhrFussel correct |
| 18:02 |
paramat |
so yeah neightbour air is needed if you just want surface ice |
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tenplus1 |
hi sniper |
| 18:04 |
IhrFussel |
Ice usually only exists as surface on water...or not? |
| 18:04 |
IhrFussel |
I mean it's not underwater |
| 18:05 |
IhrFussel |
So in the worst case it could turn water 1 node below surface to ice which is a non issue |
| 18:06 |
tenplus1 |
if you dont put "air" as neighbor then it'll turn all of the ocean into ice... even underwater |
| 18:07 |
IhrFussel |
Oh...but then I need air AND ice as neighbors |
| 18:07 |
IhrFussel |
Not OR |
| 18:07 |
tenplus1 |
can use "air" as neighbor and use your find_node_near to look for nearby ice |
| 18:08 |
IhrFussel |
Which will make it only run 16 times at once max hm |
| 18:09 |
IhrFussel |
active block range is 1 on my server by the way |
| 18:09 |
tenplus1 |
that's fine |
| 18:10 |
tenplus1 |
it'll only run on surface water near ice when player is around so that's fine :) |
| 18:14 |
tenplus1 |
also tweaking the abm so that it runs on the lesser node will make it more optimized |
| 18:17 |
tenplus1 |
wb fixer |
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paramat |
oh of course, it's an OR, duh |
| 18:27 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
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tenplus1 |
hi Aerozoic |
| 18:30 |
Aerozoic |
wazup peeps! |
| 18:31 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 18:36 |
tenplus1 |
lol http://staginglol.gemnnwclth7mfvu.maxcdn-edge.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/invention.jpg |
| 18:41 |
Dargod |
hey tenplus1 |
| 18:41 |
tenplus1 |
o/ Dargod |
| 18:43 |
Dargod |
Is there any way to add sfinv support for simple_skins? |
| 18:43 |
tenplus1 |
I tried a while ago, since sfinv sets the background you cannot see yourself trying out new skins... so I added the /skin command instead so it runs without inventory_plus |
| 18:46 |
Krock |
tenplus1, I want this shower coffee machine! |
| 18:46 |
tenplus1 |
how many minutes will it save you in the mornings ??? |
| 18:48 |
Aerozoic |
oh hi tenplus1, i posted on your farming thread a couple hours ago :) |
| 18:49 |
tenplus1 |
checking... |
| 18:51 |
tenplus1 |
Aerozoic: Farimng Plus has banana,orange,strawberry and those items are only for compatibility sake so thast players dont lose thoseitems if ethereal isnt installed |
| 18:51 |
Aerozoic |
I thought so, but then shouldn't that file only be loaded if farming plus is installed? |
| 18:52 |
Aerozoic |
I mean it's not really a problem, i just noticed i have those extra nodes on my server XD |
| 18:52 |
tenplus1 |
some other mods use farming plus' fruits so I've left it there just incase to save me a ton of checks |
| 18:54 |
lisac |
tenplus1, thanks for PR, merged :) |
| 18:55 |
tenplus1 |
np lisac :) hope it helped |
| 18:55 |
Aerozoic |
ok, maybe i will use them for special rewards or something :) |
| 18:55 |
tenplus1 |
Aerozoic: good idea, if you want I can hide them from the creative inventory :P |
| 18:57 |
lisac |
tenplus1, may I ask if you intend to add it to Xanadu? |
| 18:57 |
lisac |
I'm not sure if the feature is really needed; this is more of a CSM job |
| 18:58 |
lisac |
but CSMs being banned, that might be a problem |
| 18:58 |
tenplus1 |
true, will leave that up to players to install since they are the one's ignoring folk :P |
| 18:58 |
tenplus1 |
things like that are fine, any CSM that affects global chat or the game itself if banned |
| 18:59 |
lisac |
I might even believe you if I'm not greeted with 'NO CSMS ALLOWED ON THIS SERVER!' every time I join :P |
| 19:00 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:00 |
tenplus1 |
the whole csm thing should be fixed when server is updated to 0.5.0 |
| 19:03 |
tenplus1 |
Once an sfinv page/tab is registered, can it be updated ??? |
| 19:05 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
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rubenwardy |
tenplus1, sfinv.override_page(name, def) - overrides fields of an page registered with register_page. |
| 19:06 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/game_api.txt#L456 |
| 19:06 |
tenplus1 |
kewl, wanna eventually port homepos mod over as well |
| 19:06 |
rubenwardy |
look at the sfinv_buttons mod, it's quite useful |
| 19:06 |
rubenwardy |
I also have a fork of it in its topic which displays the buttons in an unified inv way |
| 19:07 |
tenplus1 |
interesting... can background colour/image be overridden as well per tab ? |
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* tenplus1 |
is testing Firefox 57.0 |
| 19:30 |
garywhite |
hello |
| 19:30 |
tenplus1 |
hi gary |
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tenplus1 |
wb behalebabo, paramat |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
pah! why does gtk3 not support the default gtk2 themes... |
| 19:40 |
Raven262 |
Cause it is more advanced! xD |
| 19:41 |
Raven262 |
No, really, why? |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
paaaaaaah!!!!! |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven :P |
| 19:41 |
Raven262 |
Hi ten |
| 19:41 |
benrob0329 |
Because GTK3 uses CSS? |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
am using gtk2 ThinIce engine which I really like, but they have no ThinIce for gtk3 progs |
| 19:41 |
* Raven262 |
is now going to go and play skyrim (afk) |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
enjoy :P |
| 19:42 |
Raven262 |
Btw, if anyone has some good skyrim mods to recommend, i would like to know |
| 19:42 |
Raven262 |
I'm kinda noob in skyrim modding :P |
| 19:42 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 19:43 |
rubenwardy |
really need to investigate playing Skyrim underrim |
| 19:43 |
rubenwardy |
*under wine |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
steam release has a gold rating, works fine under wine :) |
| 19:44 |
rubenwardy |
nice |
| 19:44 |
rubenwardy |
Just need to find out how to install a Windows game from Steam on linux |
| 19:44 |
tenplus1 |
get .exe or .msi, right-click and run with windows loader :) it's that simple |
| 19:45 |
rubenwardy |
from steam though. Do I need to install Steam under Wine too? |
| 19:45 |
tenplus1 |
I installed steam for windows that way so that every game in the library runs |
| 19:45 |
tenplus1 |
yes |
| 19:45 |
tenplus1 |
install steam.exe 1st then it all slots in from there |
| 19:46 |
rubenwardy |
I was stuggling to get a game to run the other day due to DirectX, then tried -opengl as a command line flag, and it worked! |
| 19:47 |
rubenwardy |
happy the devs thought of that |
| 19:47 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, vulkan is getting good support as well now |
| 19:49 |
red-001 |
I think you can run at least a few games without steam if you pass the -steam flag |
| 19:49 |
tenplus1 |
the only issue with running windows games under wine is the damn .net and vc++ packages... |
| 19:50 |
red-001 |
can't you just install the vc++ packages? |
| 19:50 |
red-001 |
or do they check if they are running under wine before installing |
| 19:50 |
tenplus1 |
they install well enough, it's just the sheer amount of them .net 2.5 .net 3.0 .net 3.5 etc etc |
| 19:51 |
red-001 |
ah |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
it's frustrating that different games need different versions isntalled |
| 19:51 |
red-001 |
yeah it's a pain even under windows sometimes |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
windows sucks for that... which is why I'd love native linux versions if possible |
| 19:52 |
red-001 |
you install some program and it wants so cryptic msvc dll you google it and you only get those annoying "dll fixer" sites |
| 19:52 |
tenplus1 |
this is where Steam comes into it's own cause it'll pick up on the missing files or .net packages and isntall them for you |
| 19:53 |
red-001 |
yeah that's nice |
| 19:53 |
tenplus1 |
I have "Alice: Madness Returns" running perfectly on linux under wine 2.01 |
| 19:53 |
red-001 |
it's annoying through when devs take advantage of that and install some shitty DRM/anticheat software |
| 19:54 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 19:54 |
red-001 |
I'm looking at you punkbuster |
| 19:54 |
tenplus1 |
I buy most of my games through humble bundle though cause they push linux formats alongside windows... |
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tenplus1 |
nite all |
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Calinou |
<tenplus1> yeah, vulkan is getting good support as well now |
| 20:47 |
Calinou |
not a lot of popular games support it, though |
| 20:47 |
Calinou |
even though Unity and UE4 now have it |
| 20:48 |
Calinou |
(both beta-grade right now, IIRC) |
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IhrFussel |
gzip -l shows weird values on a map.sqlite.gz file: compressed uncompressed ratio 4025507141 367170560 -996.4% |
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IhrFussel |
Compressed is larger than uncompressed? ratio almost -1,000% ? What? |
| 21:16 |
Calinou |
it is possible for a compressed file to be larger than an uncompressed one, yes |
| 21:16 |
Calinou |
but very rare |
| 21:17 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, but the size shrunk from 8.4 GB to 3.8 ... so larger compressed size makes no sense |
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rubenwardy |
OMFG |
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rubenwardy |
I placed a button in a formspec |
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rubenwardy |
and got it right first time |
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rubenwardy |
#winning |
| 21:31 |
IhrFussel |
Found the source of the problem "The gzip format represents the input size modulo 2^32, so the uncompressed size and compression ratio are listed incorrectly for uncompressed files 4 GiB and larger." |
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Calinou |
rubenwardy: feels like CSS placement |
| 21:32 |
Calinou |
you're just in awe when you place something right on the first try :D |
| 21:32 |
rubenwardy |
I'm actually mostly ok with CSS, except when I do columns |
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rubenwardy |
or side bars |
| 21:33 |
rubenwardy |
I mean, I still usually have to adjust it slightly |
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CalebDavis |
i gtg see yall later |
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rubenwardy |
Added a chapter about SFINV to the modding book! https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/chapters/sfinv.html |
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