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00:27 |
Jordach |
oh shit |
00:27 |
Jordach |
http://news.mit.edu/2013/its-a-negative-on-negative-absolute-temperatures-1220 |
00:27 |
Jordach |
we've gone below 0 Kelvin |
00:28 |
Jordach |
-0.000......1 Kelvin |
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00:33 |
octacian |
Jordach: So... Do you have a cactus model? I thought I saw you post a picture of one a while bacl... |
00:33 |
octacian |
Just curios xD |
00:33 |
octacian |
*curious |
00:35 |
Jordach |
https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/blob/master/mods/core/blocks.lua#L648 |
00:35 |
Jordach |
:thinking: |
00:44 |
octacian |
Jordach: heh, Didn't know you'd finally made that subgame available |
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07:50 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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08:00 |
tenplus1 |
hi nrz |
08:06 |
shivajiva |
hi ten |
08:09 |
tenplus1 |
hi shiva |
08:09 |
tenplus1 |
bit slow, nomming oatmeal :PPPPPPPPPP |
08:09 |
tenplus1 |
how's things ? |
08:19 |
shivajiva |
not bad, loads of work to get through today :) |
08:20 |
tenplus1 |
busy tuesday ahead :P |
08:29 |
Jordach |
tenplus1, scientists at MIT have gone below 0 Kelvin |
08:29 |
Jordach |
http://news.mit.edu/2013/its-a-negative-on-negative-absolute-temperatures-1220 |
08:30 |
tenplus1 |
division by 0 imminent |
08:30 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
08:31 |
Jordach |
division by 0 is possible |
08:31 |
tenplus1 |
:PP NaN error imminent |
08:31 |
Jordach |
sharing an object with 1 or 0 is 1 |
08:32 |
Jordach |
you can share x amount of objects with "nothing" |
08:32 |
Jordach |
the thing is |
08:32 |
Jordach |
you can't call 0 in division a literal 0 |
08:33 |
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08:33 |
tenplus1 |
hids |
08:33 |
tenplus1 |
hi ds |
08:33 |
Jordach |
because that 0 is still 1 as defined by it being an object |
08:33 |
* tenplus1 |
still wants errors reporting line numbers for NaN |
08:34 |
DS-minetest |
hi tenplus1 |
08:38 |
* tenplus1 |
is curious now |
08:41 |
Jordach |
nerzhul, tell the core devs to respond with this https://genius.com/Copypasta-navy-seal-copypasta-annotated |
08:41 |
tenplus1 |
lololol |
08:43 |
Shara |
Morning all |
08:44 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
08:44 |
DS-minetest |
moning Shara |
08:55 |
tenplus1 |
not good |
09:00 |
tenplus1 |
ehe |
09:00 |
nerzhul |
[on] |
09:03 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk |
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10:19 |
tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
10:19 |
CWz |
Hello sir 11 |
10:19 |
tenplus1 |
:PP |
10:34 |
sfan5 |
i didn't even want to read that email but kwolekr had to use "reply all" |
10:34 |
sfan5 |
> I'll pay up to $2,500 for conclusive identity information related to Red. |
10:34 |
sfan5 |
nice meme |
10:35 |
tenplus1 |
hi sfan |
10:35 |
tenplus1 |
o.O |
10:42 |
Stone-Talus |
sfan5, da hell XD |
10:43 |
tenplus1 |
hi talus |
10:46 |
Stone-Talus |
hello |
11:05 |
* tenplus1 |
noms Katsu Curry |
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11:06 |
tenplus1 |
wb ds |
11:07 |
DS-minetest |
thanks tenplus1 |
11:09 |
Lord_Buckethead |
sfan5, do you reckon I he will be willing to say that in a legally binding way? |
11:09 |
Lord_Buckethead |
s/I// |
11:16 |
Lord_Buckethead |
hey I don't want no middle man |
11:18 |
Lord_Buckethead |
yeah I say he is too broke to pay out |
11:19 |
Lord_Buckethead |
if you don't go to work because someone on IRC hurt your feelings I don't think you can manage money well |
11:20 |
Jordach |
liberals do that |
11:20 |
Lord_Buckethead |
correction broke liberals do that |
11:24 |
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11:24 |
tenplus1 |
hi DI3HARD139 |
11:30 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello. Quick question. Is there any way to enable the debug terminal in the 0.4.16 build? |
11:30 |
DI3HARD139 |
command prompt* in windows |
11:31 |
sfan5 |
nope |
11:31 |
sfan5 |
you need a new build |
11:31 |
tenplus1 |
? no --debug option ? |
11:31 |
sfan5 |
well in theory you can use edit some specific values in the .exe file |
11:31 |
sfan5 |
tenplus1: windows does not allow you to open or close a terminal on demand |
11:31 |
tenplus1 |
that suckes |
11:32 |
sfan5 |
that also means: even if you run it in the terminal there will be no output |
11:32 |
tenplus1 |
double sucks |
11:32 |
DI3HARD139 |
dang. Keeps crashing upon joining servers. Only error I ever got was a memory access violation. Couldn't screen shot it as the UI was lagging too badly for snip to register the window |
11:32 |
sfan5 |
a terminal windows rarely helps for crashes |
11:32 |
tenplus1 |
using 0.4.16 stable ? |
11:34 |
DI3HARD139 |
indeed |
11:34 |
tenplus1 |
how much faster is getnode in c++ as compared to lua ??? |
11:35 |
DI3HARD139 |
I should attempt to update OpenAL as I just installed a new sound card and had to reinstall the Daniel_K drivers associated with it. |
11:35 |
sfan5 |
minetest will always use its "own" version of openal unless you delete the dll from the bin folder |
11:36 |
DI3HARD139 |
odd. Wonder why it kept searching in Program Files on the older builds then. |
11:36 |
DI3HARD139 |
#TheLifeofaWindowsUser |
11:40 |
tenplus1 |
http://memes1.fjcdn.com/pictures/Let+s+keep+the+internet+open+june+12th+is+net+neutrality_b57c3d_6298687.jpg |
11:44 |
DI3HARD139 |
Pretty much sums it up. 10/10 |
11:44 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
11:44 |
DI3HARD139 |
I wonder if its related to my sound card. It only started after installing it. (SB X-FI Titanium) |
11:45 |
tenplus1 |
you tried booting from a linux usb to test sound card ? |
11:45 |
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11:45 |
tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
11:46 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello Fixer |
11:46 |
Bobr2 |
hi all |
11:46 |
tenplus1 |
'lo bob |
11:47 |
shivajiva |
hey Bobr |
11:47 |
Bobr2 |
hi shivajiva |
11:47 |
Bobr2 |
hello tenplus1 |
11:47 |
DI3HARD139 |
and waddya know. It is OpenAL thats crashing. Now for why it is |
11:47 |
Bobr2 |
and what do ya know everything is messed up these days |
11:47 |
tenplus1 |
what's messed up ? apart from windows :D |
11:48 |
Bobr2 |
most things and yep windows is for non independent people apparently |
11:49 |
DI3HARD139 |
https://pastebin.com/vHwhFrDY |
11:50 |
Bobr2 |
can i be a noob and ask how bad that is |
11:50 |
DI3HARD139 |
That was Event Viewer's output. This is the WER dump https://pastebin.com/Jsvmfuqi |
11:51 |
DI3HARD139 |
Incase anyone is curious |
11:51 |
Bobr2 |
i am lol |
11:52 |
Bobr2 |
oh yay errors!!!! |
11:52 |
Bobr2 |
dont ya just love em |
11:53 |
tenplus1 |
if you rename C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\minetest-0.4.15-win64\bin\OpenAL32.dll and add .bak then run, would it work ? |
11:53 |
Bobr2 |
how bad is a fatal error |
11:54 |
Bobr2 |
virtual void* ServerThread::run(): A fatal error occured: String too long for serializeString |
11:55 |
DI3HARD139 |
checking |
11:56 |
DI3HARD139 |
Working :) |
11:56 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
11:56 |
Bobr2 |
thats why creative never worked |
11:58 |
DI3HARD139 |
That is usually fixed by using an old version of 'creative'. It's one of the few mods that I NEVER update |
11:58 |
DI3HARD139 |
rather haven't been able to :P |
11:58 |
Bobr2 |
are we ok talking about our own servers here? |
12:04 |
tenplus1 |
I dont see why not :D |
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tenplus1 |
hi atorian37 |
12:07 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello atorian |
12:07 |
atorian37 |
hi all |
12:07 |
DI3HARD139 |
@tenplus1 Ready for an adventure? https://pastebin.com/8bqKTFyJ |
12:07 |
Bobr2 |
hi |
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12:08 |
tenplus1 |
hi nathan |
12:08 |
Bobr2 |
hi Nathan |
12:08 |
NathanS21 |
hi tenplus1 |
12:08 |
NathanS21 |
hi Bobr2 |
12:08 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello Nathan |
12:09 |
tenplus1 |
DI3HARD139: did you add your own mob ? |
12:09 |
NathanS21 |
hi DI3HARD139 |
12:09 |
DI3HARD139 |
I did not. I've been observing a lot of errors on other updated mods as well. Could it be related to the time period that I re-compiled the dev build? |
12:10 |
DI3HARD139 |
a lot of errors like this* |
12:10 |
tenplus1 |
it shouldnt be... checking function now |
12:10 |
Bobr2 |
u wanna see alot of errors lol |
12:11 |
tenplus1 |
DI3HARD139: what version of mobs redo api are you running btw ? |
12:11 |
tenplus1 |
the lines do not match |
12:12 |
DI3HARD139 |
I cloned the repos roughly 3 days ago. Lemme check |
12:15 |
DI3HARD139 |
mobs_animal = commit ebc2e3a and mobs_redo = 18b90da |
12:23 |
tenplus1 |
testing sheep and cow... both eat grass ok and replace blocks... cant duplicate error |
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12:24 |
tenplus1 |
hi RobbieF |
12:24 |
RobbieF |
hen tenplus1 how are ya |
12:24 |
Bobr2 |
hello RobbieF |
12:24 |
RobbieF |
heya bobr2 |
12:24 |
tenplus1 |
not bad, you ? |
12:24 |
RobbieF |
doing great my man! |
12:25 |
RobbieF |
can I bounce an idea off you, not needing an answer in a rush, but just for something to chew on? |
12:25 |
tenplus1 |
whassat |
12:27 |
RobbieF |
well, we had corium grief. |
12:27 |
RobbieF |
So, my reaction was of course, disable corium (comment it out in tecnic) |
12:27 |
RobbieF |
but we have legit players who need it. |
12:27 |
tenplus1 |
what is corium ? |
12:27 |
RobbieF |
So I was wondering how it could be tied to a priv, but using a mod rather than editing technic's core |
12:28 |
RobbieF |
corium is a nuclear waste product I believe, in technic. Can be very (!!) destructive. Like a lava that removes blocks where it flows |
12:28 |
Shara |
RobbieF: My original spill code I gave you way back did tie it to a priv |
12:28 |
NathanS21 |
just override the node |
12:28 |
RobbieF |
seriously shara?! |
12:28 |
Shara |
Yes. I still don't know what broke that |
12:28 |
RobbieF |
It must not have worked. |
12:28 |
Shara |
It did work |
12:29 |
tenplus1 |
inside technic.conf you can set: enable_corium_griefing = "false", |
12:29 |
RobbieF |
did as in, at one point - but I mean, recently |
12:29 |
Shara |
But you added or changed something later that it didn't work with |
12:29 |
RobbieF |
with the grief |
12:29 |
Shara |
I should probably rewrite the whole thing, now that I have more of a clue what I'm doing |
12:29 |
tenplus1 |
that way you can still use it but no griefing |
12:29 |
RobbieF |
Will review that setting, thanks tenplus1. I am certain it is set, but still happens |
12:29 |
RobbieF |
Well it gives me a place to look, Shara |
12:30 |
tenplus1 |
bbl |
12:30 |
Shara |
RobbieF: do you want them able to place it, but it just do no damage, or not to be able to place it? |
12:30 |
RobbieF |
seeya |
12:30 |
RobbieF |
(tenplus1) |
12:30 |
RobbieF |
Shara tbh I'd rather people who aren't permitted to just have 0 access to such dangerous material. |
12:30 |
RobbieF |
no access to it whatsoever |
12:31 |
Calinou |
hi RobbieF :) |
12:31 |
RobbieF |
hey Calinou! |
12:31 |
Shara |
RobbieF: can you email or PM me a list of exactly what your requirements are for use of liquids on whichever server this is? |
12:31 |
RobbieF |
Shara, since I have spill on all the servers, I will review it and see if I can figure out why it stopped protecting against it... maybe they added some nodes or something |
12:31 |
Shara |
Including which liquids in total we need to account for? |
12:32 |
RobbieF |
Shara sure thing, thanks. Will have to give it closer thought - right now just something to chew on. |
12:32 |
Bobr2 |
may i ask something |
12:32 |
Shara |
Well, if you're still using my old code, the DL version is probably better |
12:32 |
RobbieF |
(too busy today to look into the code) |
12:32 |
RobbieF |
yes, I am still using it. Is a newer version on Github? |
12:32 |
Bobr2 |
does spill protect against default:water_source |
12:32 |
Bobr2 |
or buckets |
12:32 |
Shara |
Bobr2: The version I have on DL protects from everything |
12:33 |
Shara |
Or well, I let players collect water in buckets, but not lava |
12:33 |
Shara |
you need a priv for collecting lava |
12:33 |
Bobr2 |
oh for collecting as well |
12:33 |
RobbieF |
It works very well for protecting against liquid grief. |
12:34 |
Shara |
My original version removed buckets and protected against sources only, since I did that for my creative server |
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13:10 |
Raven262 |
o/ lisac |
13:11 |
lisac |
Hello Raven262 |
13:16 |
Calinou |
:D https://lut.im/5QR1ocICHD/2Tlbfoc6TIN86ioz.png |
13:16 |
Bobr2 |
hi Calinou |
13:16 |
Calinou |
best cookie bar I've seen |
13:16 |
Calinou |
hi Bobr2 |
13:16 |
Bobr2 |
how are u |
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13:21 |
Calinou |
Bobr2: mostly fine, but these days I'm tired due to my internship :( |
13:21 |
Bobr2 |
hi octacian XD |
13:21 |
octacian |
Hello Bobr2 :D |
13:21 |
Bobr2 |
Calinou not good :( |
13:26 |
Fixer |
*HF 2b2t beta 1.7.3 cracked server* |
13:26 |
Bobr2 |
hi Fixer |
13:26 |
Fixer |
2b2t inspired* |
13:26 |
Fixer |
hi |
13:27 |
Bobr2 |
i like saying hi to people :D |
13:27 |
Calinou |
Fixer: https://github.com/SirCmpwn/TrueCraft :P |
13:27 |
Fixer |
nah |
13:27 |
Calinou |
it apparently still is being worked on |
13:27 |
Fixer |
Calinou: semi-dead |
13:27 |
Calinou |
yeah |
13:28 |
Calinou |
https://www.patreon.com/sircmpwn |
13:28 |
Calinou |
lol, the reward titles |
13:28 |
Calinou |
look |
13:32 |
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13:32 |
Bobr2 |
lol hi again octacian_ :D |
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13:33 |
octacian |
...hey Bobr2 :P |
13:33 |
Bobr2 |
lol |
13:44 |
DI3HARD139 |
How much trouble do ya'll think I could get in from Running Minetest inside bash on Windows 10 |
13:44 |
DI3HARD139 |
? |
13:44 |
Bobr2 |
i dont know |
13:44 |
Bobr2 |
try it :D |
13:44 |
DI3HARD139 |
Working on it |
13:45 |
Calinou |
DI3HARD139: graphical applications are "unsupported" by Microsoft in the WSL but they said they won't hinder it |
13:45 |
Calinou |
so it can work, but probably without sound |
13:45 |
Calinou |
not sure if you'll get 3D acceleration too |
13:46 |
Calinou |
a server might work though... |
13:46 |
DI3HARD139 |
No need for sound. Just gonna run a few servers from it if it works |
13:46 |
DI3HARD139 |
Holy crp it works... |
13:47 |
Bobr2 |
will i be able to do more stuff with it if u tranfere over to windows ten? |
13:47 |
Bobr2 |
like with ssh |
13:47 |
DI3HARD139 |
and the performance is beautiful *Sheds a tear* |
13:47 |
* Bobr2 |
hands DI3HARD139 a tissue |
13:49 |
DI3HARD139 |
One question though. What's this about? 2017-06-13 09:47:17: WARNING[Main]: /!\ You are using old player file backend. This backend is deprecated and will be removed in next release /!\ |
13:53 |
shivajiva |
player files and auth text are deprecated soon |
13:53 |
shivajiva |
moved to sqlite |
13:54 |
DI3HARD139 |
omfg finally! Those are a pain in the rear! |
13:54 |
Bobr2 |
what are they? |
13:54 |
* DI3HARD139 |
applauds the effort being put in to improve minetest's core and management |
13:54 |
DI3HARD139 |
and is thankful* |
13:55 |
Bobr2 |
laughing so much lol |
13:55 |
DI3HARD139 |
@Bobr2 Remember the mysql_auth mod? |
13:55 |
shivajiva |
decentralised backend for player inventories and auth for login as a series of separate files Bobr |
13:55 |
Bobr2 |
DI3HARD139 yep with privs and that |
13:56 |
DI3HARD139 |
It replaces the auth.txt file and places them in a MySQL database. Basically what the .txt to sqlite3 conversion is for |
13:56 |
Bobr2 |
ah ok |
13:56 |
DI3HARD139 |
It improves reliability and error tolerance |
13:57 |
DI3HARD139 |
The difference here is instead of having 50k .txt files they will be databases which is easier on i/o |
13:57 |
benrob0329 |
Hello |
13:57 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello benrob |
13:58 |
benrob0329 |
Whats up? |
13:58 |
Bobr2 |
the sky XD |
13:59 |
DI3HARD139 |
Uhh.... Im not gonna provide an answer for that |
13:59 |
DI3HARD139 |
lol |
14:00 |
DI3HARD139 |
but in all seriousness. Nothin much. Just trying to find ways to get IRC to work on Windows |
14:00 |
benrob0329 |
Answer: set your phone in a windowsill |
14:01 |
DI3HARD139 |
Computer Monitor* |
14:01 |
DI3HARD139 |
err TV |
14:01 |
DI3HARD139 |
:P |
14:02 |
DI3HARD139 |
But nah. I despise Linux (At least Ubuntu anyways) so Im attempting to move to Windows Server |
14:03 |
shivajiva |
ew good luck |
14:04 |
benrob0329 |
DI3HARD139: why do you despise it? |
14:04 |
DI3HARD139 |
Buggy af and wayyyyyy too much typing |
14:04 |
DI3HARD139 |
Though Im speaking about Ubuntu. Other flavors might not be as bad. Ill have to do some experimenting |
14:04 |
benrob0329 |
Your telling me Windows is less buggy... |
14:05 |
DI3HARD139 |
Yep |
14:05 |
benrob0329 |
Hahahahaha |
14:05 |
benrob0329 |
HAHAHA |
14:05 |
benrob0329 |
ha |
14:05 |
DI3HARD139 |
I've never had a single issue with Windows. then again. I don't program on Windows so that might be why |
14:05 |
DI3HARD139 |
or do any app development |
14:05 |
DI3HARD139 |
on it* |
14:05 |
benrob0329 |
Lts or recent Ubuntu? |
14:05 |
DI3HARD139 |
16.04.1 LTS |
14:06 |
benrob0329 |
Try newest non LTS |
14:06 |
benrob0329 |
Or try something like Fedora |
14:07 |
DI3HARD139 |
The primary issue is I need the ability to have multiple rdp connection to the server to different accts and I don't feel like paying $124-$700USD for NoMachine |
14:07 |
Fixer |
git-Bukkit-0.0.0 |
14:07 |
Fixer |
kek |
14:07 |
DI3HARD139 |
VNC-RDP translation isn't exactly playing nice. |
14:08 |
DI3HARD139 |
Playing MC fixer? |
14:08 |
Fixer |
yeah |
14:08 |
benrob0329 |
DI3HARD139: so like, multiple server daemons on different ports? |
14:09 |
DI3HARD139 |
Ex. I currently use X2go and NoMachine so other users connect to the server on their own accts. This way they can manage their own worlds. |
14:09 |
benrob0329 |
Ohh |
14:09 |
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14:09 |
benrob0329 |
Rdp like remote desktop...now I see |
14:09 |
Fixer |
beta 1.7.3 server |
14:10 |
DI3HARD139 |
Most users use various Ubuntu flavors however tmanyo and I use Windows. |
14:10 |
benrob0329 |
Did you try VNC? Rdp is somewhat scarce around linux |
14:11 |
DI3HARD139 |
VNC doesn't seem to like wan connections for some reason. |
14:11 |
benrob0329 |
Or SSH, users who *need* a GUI can use X11 over ssh |
14:13 |
DI3HARD139 |
Im trying to avoid using SSH as the only connection source as I have fail2ban installed. Ill have to see about the vnc apps for windows. They probably have improved since I last tried them |
14:13 |
benrob0329 |
https://superuser.com/questions/119792/how-to-use-x11-forwarding-with-putty |
14:14 |
benrob0329 |
SSH is really nice to have, as I can connect from just about anywhere (including my phone) and do anything |
14:15 |
benrob0329 |
Every good server owner should know how to use the terminal, there is simply no way around it. |
14:17 |
CWz |
DI3HARD139, you use windows for server of minetest? |
14:17 |
sfan5 |
if you are worried about fail2ban banning you why do you have it installed? |
14:17 |
twoelk |
hehe, I know quite a few people who sqreem for help if they ever see a terminal window :-D |
14:17 |
Bobr2 |
lol good point |
14:17 |
Bobr2 |
he runs his server on linux |
14:17 |
DI3HARD139 |
@CWz No. I currently use Ubuntu Server 16.04.1 LTS amd64 |
14:18 |
DI3HARD139 |
I would like to move to windows though |
14:18 |
benrob0329 |
twoelk: send them to wikibooks :P |
14:18 |
CWz |
good using windows for minetest server is suicide though |
14:18 |
benrob0329 |
DI3HARD139: what exactly is so buggy? |
14:19 |
benrob0329 |
Because I doubt its the system itself |
14:19 |
twoelk |
I wonder wether sfan could whip up some statistics what OS the servers in the serverlist run on |
14:19 |
DI3HARD139 |
random crashes that involve: sudo, x11, gnome, ssh, and thunar. Basically the core apps just crash randomly. Nothing is done to induce it other then just idling |
14:19 |
cheapie |
Flaky HW? |
14:20 |
benrob0329 |
DI3HARD139: something is very strange then |
14:20 |
Bobr2 |
i am lol XD |
14:20 |
DI3HARD139 |
I wish. Does it on 7 different systems. 5 on my end and 2 in the OVH datacenter |
14:20 |
DI3HARD139 |
I currently only have 1 Dedicated server at OVH |
14:20 |
benrob0329 |
Because that does NOT happen under normal circumstances |
14:21 |
benrob0329 |
are they all installed from the same image? |
14:21 |
DI3HARD139 |
I've tried Both Ubuntu Desktop and Server. as well as switching between xfce and gnome |
14:21 |
DI3HARD139 |
No. different images |
14:21 |
benrob0329 |
don't use GNOME on slow hardware |
14:21 |
DI3HARD139 |
OVH uses a preconfigured image. I download from Ubuntu for my installs |
14:21 |
Calinou |
http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6373973813.png |
14:21 |
benrob0329 |
Use xfce of lxde |
14:21 |
Calinou |
4G+ connection at my uni, via USB tethering :D |
14:21 |
CWz |
openbox |
14:22 |
DI3HARD139 |
awesome Calinou |
14:22 |
DI3HARD139 |
I wonder what mines at |
14:22 |
benrob0329 |
DI3HARD139: do you verify your images? |
14:22 |
DI3HARD139 |
Yep |
14:22 |
* CWz |
wonders if fluxbb is still a thing |
14:22 |
* benrob0329 |
thinks hard |
14:22 |
benrob0329 |
Try fedora server |
14:23 |
* CWz |
wishes he had a fedora |
14:23 |
DI3HARD139 |
lol |
14:24 |
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14:24 |
benrob0329 |
If it still happens, its probably hardware related, or you've uncovered a huge bug and should report it immediately |
14:24 |
benrob0329 |
Random crashing is not normal, I assure you. |
14:25 |
Bobr2 |
for my computer it is lolz |
14:25 |
Calinou |
another speedtest (nPerf) reports 64 Mb/s down, 31 Mb/s up, 38 ms ping |
14:25 |
Calinou |
:D |
14:25 |
benrob0329 |
And seeing as how its on multiple programs, its somewhat low level |
14:25 |
CWz |
best server os is... Ubuntu Server |
14:25 |
benrob0329 |
Meh |
14:25 |
CWz |
debain too out of date |
14:25 |
Calinou |
my VPS is on Ubuntu Server 16.04, works fine |
14:25 |
Calinou |
the software is out of date already on it, though |
14:25 |
benrob0329 |
Fedora has a nice web interface |
14:25 |
Calinou |
since it's from February 2016 at best |
14:26 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: I don't need a web interface really, other than for monitoring, netdata does that really well on any distro |
14:26 |
CWz |
better than debian, software from 2001 |
14:26 |
CWz |
i think |
14:26 |
benrob0329 |
But the big thing is mostly to see if its a bug with ubuntu |
14:26 |
Calinou |
Jessie has software from November 2014 at best |
14:26 |
Calinou |
and Stretch will have software from January 2017 at best (IIRC) |
14:26 |
Calinou |
(it will be released next week, I think) |
14:26 |
benrob0329 |
Gentoo ftw |
14:27 |
benrob0329 |
Brb |
14:27 |
CWz |
eh 2017 is Jurassic period |
14:36 |
Calinou |
lol, DuckDuckGo |
14:36 |
Calinou |
"Content checking has blocked some results for 'rbdoom 3 bfg'." |
14:36 |
Calinou |
it blocks things all the time :D |
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14:38 |
Calinou |
on another note, looks like Linux distro ISOs are becoming larger these days... |
14:38 |
Calinou |
Manjaro KDE is like 2.1 GB, and Kubuntu 17.04 is 1.7 GB |
14:41 |
Raven262 |
Thats cause its the KDE |
14:42 |
Raven262 |
It has many... features |
14:42 |
DI3HARD139 |
Talking about all these distro's is making me want to get back to installing OSX on my 2nd Thinkstation |
14:42 |
shivajiva |
lol I like KDE |
14:42 |
Calinou |
Raven262: it's my favorite desktop these days |
14:42 |
Raven262 |
Many are against it. |
14:42 |
Calinou |
I tried it last year, and found it better (even if slower) than Xfce |
14:43 |
Raven262 |
I mean, I loved it the first time i tried it. |
14:43 |
Raven262 |
But I found it to be too much system intensive for my PC. |
14:44 |
Calinou |
what version did you try? |
14:44 |
Calinou |
I started with Plasma 5.5 (or 5.6, I don't remember) |
14:44 |
Calinou |
now we're on 5.10 IIRC |
14:44 |
Calinou |
yep, 5.10.1 right now |
14:44 |
Calinou |
the defaults are unfortunately not very sane |
14:44 |
Raven262 |
I tried the one before the latest one |
14:44 |
Raven262 |
I can't quited remember the number :P |
14:45 |
Calinou |
it defaults to single-click-to-open, and the animations are too obnoxious (they're too slow) |
14:45 |
Calinou |
so I 1) default to double-click-to-open, 2) make the animations faster |
14:46 |
shivajiva |
187 processes, cpu idles at 2% 2.9GiB used on mint KDE, browser and IRC client open |
14:47 |
Calinou |
using 6.2 GB of RAM on Windows right now, but I have many things opened :P |
14:47 |
shivajiva |
no fluff turned on |
14:47 |
* DI3HARD139 |
is using 8% CPU usage, 6.1GB ram and 4% GPU atm with 8 tabs in chrome, IRC, Putty, NoMachine, X2go, Discord and a few others open |
14:48 |
* DI3HARD139 |
is still in debate on installing those nvdimms or not |
14:48 |
shivajiva |
28 tabs open in browser lel |
14:49 |
DI3HARD139 |
hmmm....... Imma try 50 facebook tabs |
14:49 |
DI3HARD139 |
gonna create a .bat for that |
14:51 |
Fixer |
f-ing FF goes into swap on 1GB win XP machine, WTF |
14:51 |
benrob0329 |
DI3HARD139: Linux is about choice, so if you have 50 Linux users, they'll probably all use Ubuntu. |
14:51 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: WinXP??? |
14:52 |
benrob0329 |
Get gud m8 |
14:52 |
DI3HARD139 |
Meh. 50 facebook tabs = 9GB |
14:52 |
shivajiva |
LOL |
14:53 |
shivajiva |
that's a lot |
14:53 |
DI3HARD139 |
I've done worse from deleting files from the Web crawler that I run once in awhile |
14:54 |
Fixer |
Calinou: oh, truecraft is active again |
14:55 |
DI3HARD139 |
"Minecraft for Hipsters" lmao |
14:56 |
Calinou |
yep |
14:56 |
Calinou |
I could not get it to run here, but it builds successfully using Mono |
14:56 |
Fixer |
Calinou: in 100 years it will be ready |
14:57 |
shivajiva |
FF with 28 tabs open in under 900 Mb memory over here |
14:57 |
benrob0329 |
So what happens when they get it to be equal to MC beta? |
15:08 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: a playerbase of 15 players enjoy the clone? :D |
15:09 |
Calinou |
clones are nice, but when they're too late, they're too late... |
15:09 |
Calinou |
(I'm not opposed to game cloning, contrarily to some other people) |
15:15 |
DI3HARD139 |
neither am i |
15:16 |
DI3HARD139 |
Quick question. What could cause: [11:15:02] <Plebs> 2017-06-13 17:07:29: ERROR[Server]: #1 MapBlock* ServerMap::loadBlock(v3s16) |
15:16 |
DI3HARD139 |
[11:15:04] <Plebs> 2017-06-13 17:07:29: ERROR[Server]: #2 void ServerMap::loadBlock(std::__cxx11::string*, v3s16, MapSector*, bool) |
15:17 |
DI3HARD139 |
Or what *could* rather |
15:17 |
Bobr2 |
so mant errors |
15:17 |
sfan5 |
the actual error is missing from the lines you pasted |
15:19 |
DI3HARD139 |
Here's the full error https://pastebin.com/DAGr015D |
15:21 |
sfan5 |
those backtraces are not useful at all o.O |
15:21 |
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15:22 |
DI3HARD139 |
Apparently they are random. That's all it gave. |
15:23 |
DI3HARD139 |
Ill attempt completing the update to 0.4.16 and see what happens. |
15:23 |
Lord_Buckethead |
can you get a backtrace? |
15:24 |
DI3HARD139 |
Ill throw it into gdp and see what happens |
15:24 |
DI3HARD139 |
It'll take awhile though as its not immediate. It seems to take a few hours before it occurs |
15:25 |
Lord_Buckethead |
huh |
15:25 |
Bobr2 |
huh |
15:25 |
Lord_Buckethead |
did you notice a pattern in what happens before the crash? |
15:25 |
Lord_Buckethead |
apprate from time |
15:26 |
DI3HARD139 |
From what I understand nothing outside the ordinary occurs. It just crashes out of nowhere. Apparently it started ~3days ago |
15:27 |
Lord_Buckethead |
what version of minetest are you using again? |
15:29 |
DI3HARD139 |
0.4.15 but it was compiled from the master repo on github ~1.5 months before 0.4.16 was released |
15:29 |
DI3HARD139 |
correction. 3 weeks before it was released |
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16:05 |
Bobr2 |
hi DS-minetest |
16:05 |
DS-minetest |
hi Bobr2 |
16:06 |
DS-minetest |
Bobr2: are you 11? |
16:06 |
Bobr2 |
no why? |
16:06 |
DS-minetest |
normally it's tenplus1 that greets everyone on join |
16:07 |
Bobr2 |
lol nah im 15 |
16:07 |
Lord_Buckethead |
!tell tenplus1 hi |
16:07 |
ShadowBot |
Lord_Buckethead: O.K. |
16:08 |
Lord_Buckethead |
just "O.K" ShadowBot? |
16:08 |
Lord_Buckethead |
what insubordiation is this? |
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16:41 |
Bobr2 |
hi Krock welcome back |
16:41 |
Krock |
hello everypony |
16:42 |
Krock |
return Krock.Away() > Time.Parse("10h") ? "Hello Krock" : "Welcome back"; |
16:42 |
Krock |
wb Bobr2 :P |
16:42 |
Bobr2 |
thanks :) |
16:44 |
cx384 |
hi |
16:44 |
Bobr2 |
hi cx384 |
16:54 |
DI3HARD139 |
Hello Krock, DS-M and cx384 |
16:56 |
Krock |
hi cx384, DI3HARD139 |
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17:00 |
cx384 |
HI ALL |
17:01 |
cx384 |
and DI3HARD139 and Krock! |
17:31 |
lisac |
Hey newline in descriptions bug strikes again |
17:42 |
Raven262 |
Yea! |
17:43 |
Raven262 |
Wait, that was not a cause for celebration. |
17:43 |
Raven262 |
Odd thing was that this time it shows different behavior |
17:44 |
Raven262 |
instead of cropping the text like the last time, it now offsets the frame a bit lower than the text. |
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18:47 |
lisac |
hey Lord_Buckethead, what do you think about https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5978 ? |
18:48 |
Raven262 |
The question is not how it looks, lisac. |
18:48 |
Raven262 |
The question is does it support our cause? |
18:49 |
lisac |
Raven262, I could try and make them red by default |
18:50 |
lisac |
but I'm sure that wouldn't get accepted :( |
18:50 |
Lord_Buckethead |
the real question is how you managed to get it to need a rebase |
18:51 |
lisac |
Lord_Buckethead, It's MAGIC! |
18:51 |
lisac |
no idea |
18:51 |
lisac |
but I could rebase it |
18:51 |
lisac |
If I figure out how |
18:53 |
lisac |
Lord_Buckethead, Doesn't it look better? |
18:53 |
lisac |
or rather, cleaner? |
18:53 |
lisac |
more like descriptions and less like actual tooltips |
18:53 |
Lord_Buckethead |
i |
18:54 |
Lord_Buckethead |
it looks nice |
18:54 |
lisac |
do you think it'll get merged? :P |
18:54 |
Lord_Buckethead |
eh maybe |
18:54 |
lisac |
I hope so :) |
18:59 |
shivajiva |
lisac: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Branching-Rebasing |
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19:11 |
Shara |
lisac: in the screenshot you give, where is the mous epointer actually positioned? |
19:15 |
Lord_Buckethead |
^ |
19:16 |
shivajiva |
^^ |
19:27 |
lisac |
shivajiva, over the item slot |
19:27 |
lisac |
it no longer matters where |
19:27 |
lisac |
it's simply above it |
19:27 |
lisac |
eg. tooltips no longer move depending upon the position of the cursor |
19:29 |
Shara |
I don't really like the tooltip position to be honest. It says cobble but looks like it's above the torch. |
19:30 |
lisac |
Shara, It is in the corner of the cobble's item slot |
19:31 |
Shara |
Barely. |
19:31 |
lisac |
it looks better once you try moving the mouse around |
19:31 |
lisac |
I'll make a video |
19:31 |
Amaz |
I prefer the current positioning of the tooltip |
19:31 |
Shara |
I can visualise what you're saying, but I've never had an issue with the movement. I'd prefer it doesn't change. |
19:32 |
Shara |
Tooltips underneath things seems much more ocmmon in general as well. |
19:32 |
Shara |
common* |
19:32 |
Amaz |
^ |
19:37 |
lisac |
My idea is that the tooltips in Minetest aren't actually supposed to be tooltips |
19:37 |
lisac |
but descriptions of the item |
19:37 |
lisac |
ex. tooltips appear after some time |
19:37 |
lisac |
and describe the tool/link/etc. |
19:37 |
lisac |
but in MT, they should actually be more like item stats/name |
19:38 |
Shara |
It really works fine as is for me. |
19:39 |
lisac |
oh well, most stuff works fine, but I thought this makes it better |
19:39 |
lisac |
maybe make it an option? |
19:41 |
Shara |
Maybe see if others want it / if the devs would agree to that. I really wouldn't like it this way myself, but then I've had little things that didn't bother others drive me crazy in the game before, so I know how it can feel. |
19:43 |
Shara |
Chat console being set to full screen pretty much made the game unplayable for me. It was lots of annoying compiling my own client until I realised I could just make a PR :P |
19:45 |
lisac |
lol, I played a lot of World of Warcraft in the last few days, so the moving item descriptions really do bother me |
19:45 |
* shivajiva |
doesn't understand why you wouldn't want the pleasure of compiling MT, I like to watch src build for some strange reason :P |
19:46 |
Shara |
shivajiva: try it on windows :) |
19:47 |
shivajiva |
erm why would I want to mess with that dogpile :D |
19:47 |
Shara |
Well there you are then :D |
19:48 |
Shara |
Give me some credit, at least I'm not running servers on it :P |
19:48 |
shivajiva |
I'd like to see it with the stat's in lisac just to see the idea devlop |
19:49 |
shivajiva |
+e |
19:52 |
lisac |
shivajiva, I had this idea of item stats, like dig times for tools, written in the description |
19:52 |
lisac |
in different colors |
19:52 |
lisac |
like, 5.2s dig time for stone |
19:52 |
lisac |
or, -2s dig time for stone |
19:52 |
Shara |
Sounds like something that could be nice as a mod |
19:53 |
lisac |
compared to the def. dig time |
19:53 |
shivajiva |
thought it would be interesting :) |
19:57 |
shivajiva |
as a server owner I like the idea of fine grained control over things though |
19:59 |
lisac |
https://youtu.be/PjBN-kwyLz4 |
19:59 |
lisac |
^ video of it |
20:02 |
lisac |
shivajiva, In DOTA2, for example, every item and skill has clearly defined stats. So the player can easily calculate if an upgrade pays of, etc. |
20:02 |
lisac |
ex. If a wooden pickaxe digs stone for 3.3seconds, and a stone pickaxe does that at 2.8s, the user can see the difference more clearly |
20:03 |
Shara |
I can see the use of a mod like that, but it shouldn't be default. |
20:03 |
Amaz |
^ |
20:04 |
Shara |
Would be nice to be able to inspect tools in the inventory for info like that in some way as well, rather than have it in the tooltip |
20:04 |
Amaz |
That's certainly mod territory. But it would be an awesome mod :D |
20:04 |
shivajiva |
I know some players love that kind of info as it adds another dimension to the learning curve but I have to agree it should be a mod |
20:04 |
Shara |
Yea. Actually could be a really good mod. |
20:04 |
lisac |
hm, I'm not sure what is default to minetest. |
20:05 |
lisac |
is minetest_game default? |
20:05 |
Shara |
well, may as well think of it as such |
20:05 |
lisac |
if so, should it be an actual game, or just a collection of examples for the engine? |
20:05 |
Shara |
How do you mean? |
20:06 |
lisac |
well, when you download minetest_game, should you be able to play it as a game in minetest engine, or should it just be a template for other games? |
20:06 |
lisac |
should it have a gameplay, and style of it's own, or be a template? |
20:07 |
Shara |
I'm not sure I understand. I thought we were just talking about a mod to get tool stats |
20:07 |
Shara |
In theory, that could be made to work with any game |
20:07 |
Calinou |
hi |
20:08 |
Calinou |
I'm setting up my old laptop because I'm selling it, with the preinstalled Windows 10 on an HDD |
20:08 |
Calinou |
the horror... i7, yet slow |
20:08 |
Calinou |
so I'm removing preinstalled things, and installing updates (because it's at build 10240 right now) |
20:08 |
Shara |
Hi Calinou |
20:09 |
lisac |
Shara, I was thinking about such mod, but the current positioning of the item description looks quite bad when you add stats to it |
20:10 |
lisac |
that is why I suggested making it a option. One defined in the item definition |
20:10 |
lisac |
like, 'description_style' |
20:10 |
lisac |
with 'floating' and 'top-left' as options. |
20:11 |
Shara |
lisac: I don't think the item stats should go in the tooltip |
20:11 |
Shara |
Regardless of position, it's going to get too large |
20:12 |
Shara |
I'm wondering if you could have a way to inspect tools instead |
20:16 |
Lord_Buckethead |
do you people like proofs of concept? |
20:17 |
Lord_Buckethead |
https://github.com/red-001/minetest/pull/2 |
20:17 |
Lord_Buckethead |
!title |
20:17 |
ShadowBot |
quick proof of concept for server mod sending. by red-001 · Pull Request #2 · red-001/minetest · GitHub |
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20:21 |
lisac |
Shara: I am, once again, not sure if they should actually be tooltips |
20:26 |
Shara |
Whatever name you call them, I don't think you should add that info there. |
20:27 |
lisac |
why not? It is called 'description', right? |
20:27 |
lisac |
How would you add inspect, anyways? |
20:28 |
lisac |
a special button? |
20:33 |
Amaz |
Maybe a special slot in the inventory? |
20:33 |
Shara |
lisac: I'd prefer not to have large descriptions follow me round the inventory when I play. |
20:34 |
* twoelk |
suddenly remembers the onscreen display of the scifi film robots such as the terminator |
20:35 |
Shara |
I'd actually be quite happy with an option to turn whatever-you-want-to-call-thems off completely really :) |
20:37 |
Shara |
There's probably more than one way you could do it as a mod though. |
20:37 |
Shara |
Could be anything from adding an area on screen that the info would show in to just having it on a chat command. |
20:39 |
lisac |
What about having a special place in the inventory screen which shows the stats of the item the mouse is currently over |
20:42 |
Shara |
If you can get that working with a mod, it could be nice |
20:44 |
shivajiva |
^ |
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twoelk |
interesting - my mt just lost all internet access while being ona server while all non-mt internet connections are still alive |
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Fixer |
*,,,,,* |
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red-001 |
that nick was too confusing for people |
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shivajiva |
any devs around to talk to plebs, he has an issue |
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red-001 |
from what they are saying someone found a way to crash severs with the book without a modifed client |
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claps like a fucking seal |
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red-001 |
ok |
23:26 |
red-001 |
thats prefectly normal |
23:27 |
Jordach |
fuckin hell |
23:27 |
Jordach |
>zone.com |
23:27 |
Jordach |
WHAT YEAR IS IT |
23:33 |
Jordach |
16bit shit VS Windows 10 |
23:34 |
Jordach |
REEE |
23:34 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/c1oqLyx.png |
23:34 |
benrob0329 |
Dosbox ftw |
23:35 |
* benrob0329 |
doesnt play any DOS games... |
23:35 |
garywhite |
or VM |
23:36 |
garywhite |
I use VPC 2007, used it on DOS & every Windows from 3.1-2000 except NT 4 |
23:36 |
Jordach |
https://winworldpc.com/product/windows-98 |
23:36 |
Jordach |
fuck this shit i'm out |
23:36 |
garywhite |
Virtual PC FTW |
23:36 |
Jordach |
may bung win98 on my fucking AMD A8 laptop for fun |
23:37 |
Jordach |
because it's LIT AF |
23:38 |
Fixer |
Jordach: LOL |
23:38 |
Fixer |
Jordach: please contact... |
23:38 |
Fixer |
Jordach: THEY ARE DEAD |
23:38 |
Fixer |
also, fuck W10 |
23:39 |
Fixer |
minetest_game as vibrant as ever |
23:39 |
Fixer |
2 notifications |
23:40 |
rubenwardy |
I have 32 notifications in MTG |
23:40 |
rubenwardy |
and 271 in MTE |
23:40 |
* rubenwardy |
hasn't recovered from exams yet |
23:41 |
Fixer |
!tell paramat get biome info |
23:41 |
ShadowBot |
Fixer: O.K. |
23:51 |
Jordach |
Fixer, http://i.imgur.com/d7T9XtW.png |
23:51 |
kaeza |
Jordach, why not go native, and use 3.11? |
23:52 |
Jordach |
software needs 98SE/ME |
23:52 |
Jordach |
C U N T |
23:52 |
Jordach |
i may install ME on my laptop for a fucking giggle |
23:53 |
Jordach |
bonus points for working wifi |
23:53 |
* kaeza |
has XP something installed |
23:53 |
Jordach |
once that's done |
23:53 |
Jordach |
i'll install flash |
23:54 |
Jordach |
and watch some early 2000s shockwave flashes on newgrounds |
23:54 |
kaeza |
even the name tells you it's a joke |
23:54 |
kaeza |
Windows 😠|
23:54 |
benrob0329 |
Windblows |
23:54 |
Jordach |
the screenshots for ME on winworld are bluescreens |
23:55 |
Fixer |
Jordach: gay, use WinNT 4 |
23:56 |
Fixer |
or 98se |
23:56 |
kaeza |
98SE was best Windows |
23:56 |
Jordach |
Winamp 2.x |
23:56 |
Jordach |
Shockwave Flash, Strongbad |
23:57 |
kaeza |
Jordach, insall gahnoo |
23:58 |
Fixer |
W98se + pirated office 2000 + winamp 2.x + opera + q1/2/3/doom/red alert/gtaIII/blahblah |
23:59 |
Fixer |
Jordach: don't forget about 512mb mem limit |
23:59 |
Fixer |
Jordach: there are workarounds iirc |