Time Nick Message 00:27 Jordach oh shit 00:27 Jordach http://news.mit.edu/2013/its-a-negative-on-negative-absolute-temperatures-1220 00:27 Jordach we've gone below 0 Kelvin 00:28 Jordach -0.000......1 Kelvin 00:33 octacian Jordach: So... Do you have a cactus model? I thought I saw you post a picture of one a while bacl... 00:33 octacian Just curios xD 00:33 octacian *curious 00:35 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/blob/master/mods/core/blocks.lua#L648 00:35 Jordach :thinking: 00:44 octacian Jordach: heh, Didn't know you'd finally made that subgame available 07:50 tenplus1 hi folks 08:00 tenplus1 hi nrz 08:06 shivajiva hi ten 08:09 tenplus1 hi shiva 08:09 tenplus1 bit slow, nomming oatmeal :PPPPPPPPPP 08:09 tenplus1 how's things ? 08:19 shivajiva not bad, loads of work to get through today :) 08:20 tenplus1 busy tuesday ahead :P 08:29 Jordach tenplus1, scientists at MIT have gone below 0 Kelvin 08:29 Jordach http://news.mit.edu/2013/its-a-negative-on-negative-absolute-temperatures-1220 08:30 tenplus1 division by 0 imminent 08:30 tenplus1 hi Jordach 08:31 Jordach division by 0 is possible 08:31 tenplus1 :PP NaN error imminent 08:31 Jordach sharing an object with 1 or 0 is 1 08:32 Jordach you can share x amount of objects with "nothing" 08:32 Jordach the thing is 08:32 Jordach you can't call 0 in division a literal 0 08:33 tenplus1 hids 08:33 tenplus1 hi ds 08:33 Jordach because that 0 is still 1 as defined by it being an object 08:33 * tenplus1 still wants errors reporting line numbers for NaN 08:34 DS-minetest hi tenplus1 08:38 * tenplus1 is curious now 08:41 Jordach nerzhul, tell the core devs to respond with this https://genius.com/Copypasta-navy-seal-copypasta-annotated 08:41 tenplus1 lololol 08:43 Shara Morning all 08:44 tenplus1 hi shara 08:44 DS-minetest moning Shara 08:55 tenplus1 not good 09:00 tenplus1 ehe 09:00 nerzhul [on] 09:03 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk 10:19 tenplus1 hi CWz 10:19 CWz Hello sir 11 10:19 tenplus1 :PP 10:34 sfan5 i didn't even want to read that email but kwolekr had to use "reply all" 10:34 sfan5 > I'll pay up to $2,500 for conclusive identity information related to Red. 10:34 sfan5 nice meme 10:35 tenplus1 hi sfan 10:35 tenplus1 o.O 10:42 Stone-Talus sfan5, da hell XD 10:43 tenplus1 hi talus 10:46 Stone-Talus hello 11:05 * tenplus1 noms Katsu Curry 11:06 tenplus1 wb ds 11:07 DS-minetest thanks tenplus1 11:09 Lord_Buckethead sfan5, do you reckon I he will be willing to say that in a legally binding way? 11:09 Lord_Buckethead s/I// 11:16 Lord_Buckethead hey I don't want no middle man 11:18 Lord_Buckethead yeah I say he is too broke to pay out 11:19 Lord_Buckethead if you don't go to work because someone on IRC hurt your feelings I don't think you can manage money well 11:20 Jordach liberals do that 11:20 Lord_Buckethead correction broke liberals do that 11:24 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139 11:30 DI3HARD139 Hello. Quick question. Is there any way to enable the debug terminal in the 0.4.16 build? 11:30 DI3HARD139 command prompt* in windows 11:31 sfan5 nope 11:31 sfan5 you need a new build 11:31 tenplus1 ? no --debug option ? 11:31 sfan5 well in theory you can use edit some specific values in the .exe file 11:31 sfan5 tenplus1: windows does not allow you to open or close a terminal on demand 11:31 tenplus1 that suckes 11:32 sfan5 that also means: even if you run it in the terminal there will be no output 11:32 tenplus1 double sucks 11:32 DI3HARD139 dang. Keeps crashing upon joining servers. Only error I ever got was a memory access violation. Couldn't screen shot it as the UI was lagging too badly for snip to register the window 11:32 sfan5 a terminal windows rarely helps for crashes 11:32 tenplus1 using 0.4.16 stable ? 11:34 DI3HARD139 indeed 11:34 tenplus1 how much faster is getnode in c++ as compared to lua ??? 11:35 DI3HARD139 I should attempt to update OpenAL as I just installed a new sound card and had to reinstall the Daniel_K drivers associated with it. 11:35 sfan5 minetest will always use its "own" version of openal unless you delete the dll from the bin folder 11:36 DI3HARD139 odd. Wonder why it kept searching in Program Files on the older builds then. 11:36 DI3HARD139 #TheLifeofaWindowsUser 11:40 tenplus1 http://memes1.fjcdn.com/pictures/Let+s+keep+the+internet+open+june+12th+is+net+neutrality_b57c3d_6298687.jpg 11:44 DI3HARD139 Pretty much sums it up. 10/10 11:44 tenplus1 :P 11:44 DI3HARD139 I wonder if its related to my sound card. It only started after installing it. (SB X-FI Titanium) 11:45 tenplus1 you tried booting from a linux usb to test sound card ? 11:45 tenplus1 hi fixer 11:46 DI3HARD139 Hello Fixer 11:46 Bobr2 hi all 11:46 tenplus1 'lo bob 11:47 shivajiva hey Bobr 11:47 Bobr2 hi shivajiva 11:47 Bobr2 hello tenplus1 11:47 DI3HARD139 and waddya know. It is OpenAL thats crashing. Now for why it is 11:47 Bobr2 and what do ya know everything is messed up these days 11:47 tenplus1 what's messed up ? apart from windows :D 11:48 Bobr2 most things and yep windows is for non independent people apparently 11:49 DI3HARD139 https://pastebin.com/vHwhFrDY 11:50 Bobr2 can i be a noob and ask how bad that is 11:50 DI3HARD139 That was Event Viewer's output. This is the WER dump https://pastebin.com/Jsvmfuqi 11:51 DI3HARD139 Incase anyone is curious 11:51 Bobr2 i am lol 11:52 Bobr2 oh yay errors!!!! 11:52 Bobr2 dont ya just love em 11:53 tenplus1 if you rename C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\minetest-0.4.15-win64\bin\OpenAL32.dll and add .bak then run, would it work ? 11:53 Bobr2 how bad is a fatal error 11:54 Bobr2 virtual void* ServerThread::run(): A fatal error occured: String too long for serializeString 11:55 DI3HARD139 checking 11:56 DI3HARD139 Working :) 11:56 tenplus1 :P 11:56 Bobr2 thats why creative never worked 11:58 DI3HARD139 That is usually fixed by using an old version of 'creative'. It's one of the few mods that I NEVER update 11:58 DI3HARD139 rather haven't been able to :P 11:58 Bobr2 are we ok talking about our own servers here? 12:04 tenplus1 I dont see why not :D 12:06 tenplus1 hi atorian37 12:07 DI3HARD139 Hello atorian 12:07 atorian37 hi all 12:07 DI3HARD139 @tenplus1 Ready for an adventure? https://pastebin.com/8bqKTFyJ 12:07 Bobr2 hi 12:08 tenplus1 hi nathan 12:08 Bobr2 hi Nathan 12:08 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 12:08 NathanS21 hi Bobr2 12:08 DI3HARD139 Hello Nathan 12:09 tenplus1 DI3HARD139: did you add your own mob ? 12:09 NathanS21 hi DI3HARD139 12:09 DI3HARD139 I did not. I've been observing a lot of errors on other updated mods as well. Could it be related to the time period that I re-compiled the dev build? 12:10 DI3HARD139 a lot of errors like this* 12:10 tenplus1 it shouldnt be... checking function now 12:10 Bobr2 u wanna see alot of errors lol 12:11 tenplus1 DI3HARD139: what version of mobs redo api are you running btw ? 12:11 tenplus1 the lines do not match 12:12 DI3HARD139 I cloned the repos roughly 3 days ago. Lemme check 12:15 DI3HARD139 mobs_animal = commit ebc2e3a and mobs_redo = 18b90da 12:23 tenplus1 testing sheep and cow... both eat grass ok and replace blocks... cant duplicate error 12:24 tenplus1 hi RobbieF 12:24 RobbieF hen tenplus1 how are ya 12:24 Bobr2 hello RobbieF 12:24 RobbieF heya bobr2 12:24 tenplus1 not bad, you ? 12:24 RobbieF doing great my man! 12:25 RobbieF can I bounce an idea off you, not needing an answer in a rush, but just for something to chew on? 12:25 tenplus1 whassat 12:27 RobbieF well, we had corium grief. 12:27 RobbieF So, my reaction was of course, disable corium (comment it out in tecnic) 12:27 RobbieF but we have legit players who need it. 12:27 tenplus1 what is corium ? 12:27 RobbieF So I was wondering how it could be tied to a priv, but using a mod rather than editing technic's core 12:28 RobbieF corium is a nuclear waste product I believe, in technic. Can be very (!!) destructive. Like a lava that removes blocks where it flows 12:28 Shara RobbieF: My original spill code I gave you way back did tie it to a priv 12:28 NathanS21 just override the node 12:28 RobbieF seriously shara?! 12:28 Shara Yes. I still don't know what broke that 12:28 RobbieF It must not have worked. 12:28 Shara It did work 12:29 tenplus1 inside technic.conf you can set: enable_corium_griefing = "false", 12:29 RobbieF did as in, at one point - but I mean, recently 12:29 Shara But you added or changed something later that it didn't work with 12:29 RobbieF with the grief 12:29 Shara I should probably rewrite the whole thing, now that I have more of a clue what I'm doing 12:29 tenplus1 that way you can still use it but no griefing 12:29 RobbieF Will review that setting, thanks tenplus1. I am certain it is set, but still happens 12:29 RobbieF Well it gives me a place to look, Shara 12:30 tenplus1 bbl 12:30 Shara RobbieF: do you want them able to place it, but it just do no damage, or not to be able to place it? 12:30 RobbieF seeya 12:30 RobbieF (tenplus1) 12:30 RobbieF Shara tbh I'd rather people who aren't permitted to just have 0 access to such dangerous material. 12:30 RobbieF no access to it whatsoever 12:31 Calinou hi RobbieF :) 12:31 RobbieF hey Calinou! 12:31 Shara RobbieF: can you email or PM me a list of exactly what your requirements are for use of liquids on whichever server this is? 12:31 RobbieF Shara, since I have spill on all the servers, I will review it and see if I can figure out why it stopped protecting against it... maybe they added some nodes or something 12:31 Shara Including which liquids in total we need to account for? 12:32 RobbieF Shara sure thing, thanks. Will have to give it closer thought - right now just something to chew on. 12:32 Bobr2 may i ask something 12:32 Shara Well, if you're still using my old code, the DL version is probably better 12:32 RobbieF (too busy today to look into the code) 12:32 RobbieF yes, I am still using it. Is a newer version on Github? 12:32 Bobr2 does spill protect against default:water_source 12:32 Bobr2 or buckets 12:32 Shara Bobr2: The version I have on DL protects from everything 12:33 Shara Or well, I let players collect water in buckets, but not lava 12:33 Shara you need a priv for collecting lava 12:33 Bobr2 oh for collecting as well 12:33 RobbieF It works very well for protecting against liquid grief. 12:34 Shara My original version removed buckets and protected against sources only, since I did that for my creative server 13:10 Raven262 o/ lisac 13:11 lisac Hello Raven262 13:16 Calinou :D https://lut.im/5QR1ocICHD/2Tlbfoc6TIN86ioz.png 13:16 Bobr2 hi Calinou 13:16 Calinou best cookie bar I've seen 13:16 Calinou hi Bobr2 13:16 Bobr2 how are u 13:21 Calinou Bobr2: mostly fine, but these days I'm tired due to my internship :( 13:21 Bobr2 hi octacian XD 13:21 octacian Hello Bobr2 :D 13:21 Bobr2 Calinou not good :( 13:26 Fixer *HF 2b2t beta 1.7.3 cracked server* 13:26 Bobr2 hi Fixer 13:26 Fixer 2b2t inspired* 13:26 Fixer hi 13:27 Bobr2 i like saying hi to people :D 13:27 Calinou Fixer: https://github.com/SirCmpwn/TrueCraft :P 13:27 Fixer nah 13:27 Calinou it apparently still is being worked on 13:27 Fixer Calinou: semi-dead 13:27 Calinou yeah 13:28 Calinou https://www.patreon.com/sircmpwn 13:28 Calinou lol, the reward titles 13:28 Calinou look 13:32 Bobr2 lol hi again octacian_ :D 13:33 octacian ...hey Bobr2 :P 13:33 Bobr2 lol 13:44 DI3HARD139 How much trouble do ya'll think I could get in from Running Minetest inside bash on Windows 10 13:44 DI3HARD139 ? 13:44 Bobr2 i dont know 13:44 Bobr2 try it :D 13:44 DI3HARD139 Working on it 13:45 Calinou DI3HARD139: graphical applications are "unsupported" by Microsoft in the WSL but they said they won't hinder it 13:45 Calinou so it can work, but probably without sound 13:45 Calinou not sure if you'll get 3D acceleration too 13:46 Calinou a server might work though... 13:46 DI3HARD139 No need for sound. Just gonna run a few servers from it if it works 13:46 DI3HARD139 Holy cr@p it works... 13:47 Bobr2 will i be able to do more stuff with it if u tranfere over to windows ten? 13:47 Bobr2 like with ssh 13:47 DI3HARD139 and the performance is beautiful *Sheds a tear* 13:47 * Bobr2 hands DI3HARD139 a tissue 13:49 DI3HARD139 One question though. What's this about? 2017-06-13 09:47:17: WARNING[Main]: /!\ You are using old player file backend. This backend is deprecated and will be removed in next release /!\ 13:53 shivajiva player files and auth text are deprecated soon 13:53 shivajiva moved to sqlite 13:54 DI3HARD139 omfg finally! Those are a pain in the rear! 13:54 Bobr2 what are they? 13:54 * DI3HARD139 applauds the effort being put in to improve minetest's core and management 13:54 DI3HARD139 and is thankful* 13:55 Bobr2 laughing so much lol 13:55 DI3HARD139 @Bobr2 Remember the mysql_auth mod? 13:55 shivajiva decentralised backend for player inventories and auth for login as a series of separate files Bobr 13:55 Bobr2 DI3HARD139 yep with privs and that 13:56 DI3HARD139 It replaces the auth.txt file and places them in a MySQL database. Basically what the .txt to sqlite3 conversion is for 13:56 Bobr2 ah ok 13:56 DI3HARD139 It improves reliability and error tolerance 13:57 DI3HARD139 The difference here is instead of having 50k .txt files they will be databases which is easier on i/o 13:57 benrob0329 Hello 13:57 DI3HARD139 Hello benrob 13:58 benrob0329 Whats up? 13:58 Bobr2 the sky XD 13:59 DI3HARD139 Uhh.... Im not gonna provide an answer for that 13:59 DI3HARD139 lol 14:00 DI3HARD139 but in all seriousness. Nothin much. Just trying to find ways to get IRC to work on Windows 14:00 benrob0329 Answer: set your phone in a windowsill 14:01 DI3HARD139 Computer Monitor* 14:01 DI3HARD139 err TV 14:01 DI3HARD139 :P 14:02 DI3HARD139 But nah. I despise Linux (At least Ubuntu anyways) so Im attempting to move to Windows Server 14:03 shivajiva ew good luck 14:04 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: why do you despise it? 14:04 DI3HARD139 Buggy af and wayyyyyy too much typing 14:04 DI3HARD139 Though Im speaking about Ubuntu. Other flavors might not be as bad. Ill have to do some experimenting 14:04 benrob0329 Your telling me Windows is less buggy... 14:05 DI3HARD139 Yep 14:05 benrob0329 Hahahahaha 14:05 benrob0329 HAHAHA 14:05 benrob0329 ha 14:05 DI3HARD139 I've never had a single issue with Windows. then again. I don't program on Windows so that might be why 14:05 DI3HARD139 or do any app development 14:05 DI3HARD139 on it* 14:05 benrob0329 Lts or recent Ubuntu? 14:05 DI3HARD139 16.04.1 LTS 14:06 benrob0329 Try newest non LTS 14:06 benrob0329 Or try something like Fedora 14:07 DI3HARD139 The primary issue is I need the ability to have multiple rdp connection to the server to different accts and I don't feel like paying $124-$700USD for NoMachine 14:07 Fixer git-Bukkit-0.0.0 14:07 Fixer kek 14:07 DI3HARD139 VNC-RDP translation isn't exactly playing nice. 14:08 DI3HARD139 Playing MC fixer? 14:08 Fixer yeah 14:08 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: so like, multiple server daemons on different ports? 14:09 DI3HARD139 Ex. I currently use X2go and NoMachine so other users connect to the server on their own accts. This way they can manage their own worlds. 14:09 benrob0329 Ohh 14:09 benrob0329 Rdp like remote desktop...now I see 14:09 Fixer beta 1.7.3 server 14:10 DI3HARD139 Most users use various Ubuntu flavors however tmanyo and I use Windows. 14:10 benrob0329 Did you try VNC? Rdp is somewhat scarce around linux 14:11 DI3HARD139 VNC doesn't seem to like wan connections for some reason. 14:11 benrob0329 Or SSH, users who *need* a GUI can use X11 over ssh 14:13 DI3HARD139 Im trying to avoid using SSH as the only connection source as I have fail2ban installed. Ill have to see about the vnc apps for windows. They probably have improved since I last tried them 14:13 benrob0329 https://superuser.com/questions/119792/how-to-use-x11-forwarding-with-putty 14:14 benrob0329 SSH is really nice to have, as I can connect from just about anywhere (including my phone) and do anything 14:15 benrob0329 Every good server owner should know how to use the terminal, there is simply no way around it. 14:17 CWz DI3HARD139, you use windows for server of minetest? 14:17 sfan5 if you are worried about fail2ban banning you why do you have it installed? 14:17 twoelk hehe, I know quite a few people who sqreem for help if they ever see a terminal window :-D 14:17 Bobr2 lol good point 14:17 Bobr2 he runs his server on linux 14:17 DI3HARD139 @CWz No. I currently use Ubuntu Server 16.04.1 LTS amd64 14:18 DI3HARD139 I would like to move to windows though 14:18 benrob0329 twoelk: send them to wikibooks :P 14:18 CWz good using windows for minetest server is suicide though 14:18 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: what exactly is so buggy? 14:19 benrob0329 Because I doubt its the system itself 14:19 twoelk I wonder wether sfan could whip up some statistics what OS the servers in the serverlist run on 14:19 DI3HARD139 random crashes that involve: sudo, x11, gnome, ssh, and thunar. Basically the core apps just crash randomly. Nothing is done to induce it other then just idling 14:19 cheapie Flaky HW? 14:20 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: something is very strange then 14:20 Bobr2 i am lol XD 14:20 DI3HARD139 I wish. Does it on 7 different systems. 5 on my end and 2 in the OVH datacenter 14:20 DI3HARD139 I currently only have 1 Dedicated server at OVH 14:20 benrob0329 Because that does NOT happen under normal circumstances 14:21 benrob0329 are they all installed from the same image? 14:21 DI3HARD139 I've tried Both Ubuntu Desktop and Server. as well as switching between xfce and gnome 14:21 DI3HARD139 No. different images 14:21 benrob0329 don't use GNOME on slow hardware 14:21 DI3HARD139 OVH uses a preconfigured image. I download from Ubuntu for my installs 14:21 Calinou http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6373973813.png 14:21 benrob0329 Use xfce of lxde 14:21 Calinou 4G+ connection at my uni, via USB tethering :D 14:21 CWz openbox 14:22 DI3HARD139 awesome Calinou 14:22 DI3HARD139 I wonder what mines at 14:22 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: do you verify your images? 14:22 DI3HARD139 Yep 14:22 * CWz wonders if fluxbb is still a thing 14:22 * benrob0329 thinks hard 14:22 benrob0329 Try fedora server 14:23 * CWz wishes he had a fedora 14:23 DI3HARD139 lol 14:24 benrob0329 If it still happens, its probably hardware related, or you've uncovered a huge bug and should report it immediately 14:24 benrob0329 Random crashing is not normal, I assure you. 14:25 Bobr2 for my computer it is lolz 14:25 Calinou another speedtest (nPerf) reports 64 Mb/s down, 31 Mb/s up, 38 ms ping 14:25 Calinou :D 14:25 benrob0329 And seeing as how its on multiple programs, its somewhat low level 14:25 CWz best server os is... Ubuntu Server 14:25 benrob0329 Meh 14:25 CWz debain too out of date 14:25 Calinou my VPS is on Ubuntu Server 16.04, works fine 14:25 Calinou the software is out of date already on it, though 14:25 benrob0329 Fedora has a nice web interface 14:25 Calinou since it's from February 2016 at best 14:26 Calinou benrob0329: I don't need a web interface really, other than for monitoring, netdata does that really well on any distro 14:26 CWz better than debian, software from 2001 14:26 CWz i think 14:26 benrob0329 But the big thing is mostly to see if its a bug with ubuntu 14:26 Calinou Jessie has software from November 2014 at best 14:26 Calinou and Stretch will have software from January 2017 at best (IIRC) 14:26 Calinou (it will be released next week, I think) 14:26 benrob0329 Gentoo ftw 14:27 benrob0329 Brb 14:27 CWz eh 2017 is Jurassic period 14:36 Calinou lol, DuckDuckGo 14:36 Calinou "Content checking has blocked some results for 'rbdoom 3 bfg'." 14:36 Calinou it blocks things all the time :D 14:38 Calinou on another note, looks like Linux distro ISOs are becoming larger these days... 14:38 Calinou Manjaro KDE is like 2.1 GB, and Kubuntu 17.04 is 1.7 GB 14:41 Raven262 Thats cause its the KDE 14:42 Raven262 It has many... features 14:42 DI3HARD139 Talking about all these distro's is making me want to get back to installing OSX on my 2nd Thinkstation 14:42 shivajiva lol I like KDE 14:42 Calinou Raven262: it's my favorite desktop these days 14:42 Raven262 Many are against it. 14:42 Calinou I tried it last year, and found it better (even if slower) than Xfce 14:43 Raven262 I mean, I loved it the first time i tried it. 14:43 Raven262 But I found it to be too much system intensive for my PC. 14:44 Calinou what version did you try? 14:44 Calinou I started with Plasma 5.5 (or 5.6, I don't remember) 14:44 Calinou now we're on 5.10 IIRC 14:44 Calinou yep, 5.10.1 right now 14:44 Calinou the defaults are unfortunately not very sane 14:44 Raven262 I tried the one before the latest one 14:44 Raven262 I can't quited remember the number :P 14:45 Calinou it defaults to single-click-to-open, and the animations are too obnoxious (they're too slow) 14:45 Calinou so I 1) default to double-click-to-open, 2) make the animations faster 14:46 shivajiva 187 processes, cpu idles at 2% 2.9GiB used on mint KDE, browser and IRC client open 14:47 Calinou using 6.2 GB of RAM on Windows right now, but I have many things opened :P 14:47 shivajiva no fluff turned on 14:47 * DI3HARD139 is using 8% CPU usage, 6.1GB ram and 4% GPU atm with 8 tabs in chrome, IRC, Putty, NoMachine, X2go, Discord and a few others open 14:48 * DI3HARD139 is still in debate on installing those nvdimms or not 14:48 shivajiva 28 tabs open in browser lel 14:49 DI3HARD139 hmmm....... Imma try 50 facebook tabs 14:49 DI3HARD139 gonna create a .bat for that 14:51 Fixer f-ing FF goes into swap on 1GB win XP machine, WTF 14:51 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: Linux is about choice, so if you have 50 Linux users, they'll probably all use Ubuntu. 14:51 benrob0329 Fixer: WinXP??? 14:52 benrob0329 Get gud m8 14:52 DI3HARD139 Meh. 50 facebook tabs = 9GB 14:52 shivajiva LOL 14:53 shivajiva that's a lot 14:53 DI3HARD139 I've done worse from deleting files from the Web crawler that I run once in awhile 14:54 Fixer Calinou: oh, truecraft is active again 14:55 DI3HARD139 "Minecraft for Hipsters" lmao 14:56 Calinou yep 14:56 Calinou I could not get it to run here, but it builds successfully using Mono 14:56 Fixer Calinou: in 100 years it will be ready 14:57 shivajiva FF with 28 tabs open in under 900 Mb memory over here 14:57 benrob0329 So what happens when they get it to be equal to MC beta? 15:08 Calinou benrob0329: a playerbase of 15 players enjoy the clone? :D 15:09 Calinou clones are nice, but when they're too late, they're too late... 15:09 Calinou (I'm not opposed to game cloning, contrarily to some other people) 15:15 DI3HARD139 neither am i 15:16 DI3HARD139 Quick question. What could cause: [11:15:02] <Plebs> 2017-06-13 17:07:29: ERROR[Server]: #1 MapBlock* ServerMap::loadBlock(v3s16) 15:16 DI3HARD139 [11:15:04] <Plebs> 2017-06-13 17:07:29: ERROR[Server]: #2 void ServerMap::loadBlock(std::__cxx11::string*, v3s16, MapSector*, bool) 15:17 DI3HARD139 Or what *could* rather 15:17 Bobr2 so mant errors 15:17 sfan5 the actual error is missing from the lines you pasted 15:19 DI3HARD139 Here's the full error https://pastebin.com/DAGr015D 15:21 sfan5 those backtraces are not useful at all o.O 15:22 DI3HARD139 Apparently they are random. That's all it gave. 15:23 DI3HARD139 Ill attempt completing the update to 0.4.16 and see what happens. 15:23 Lord_Buckethead can you get a backtrace? 15:24 DI3HARD139 Ill throw it into gdp and see what happens 15:24 DI3HARD139 It'll take awhile though as its not immediate. It seems to take a few hours before it occurs 15:25 Lord_Buckethead huh 15:25 Bobr2 huh 15:25 Lord_Buckethead did you notice a pattern in what happens before the crash? 15:25 Lord_Buckethead apprate from time 15:26 DI3HARD139 From what I understand nothing outside the ordinary occurs. It just crashes out of nowhere. Apparently it started ~3days ago 15:27 Lord_Buckethead what version of minetest are you using again? 15:29 DI3HARD139 0.4.15 but it was compiled from the master repo on github ~1.5 months before 0.4.16 was released 15:29 DI3HARD139 correction. 3 weeks before it was released 16:05 Bobr2 hi DS-minetest 16:05 DS-minetest hi Bobr2 16:06 DS-minetest Bobr2: are you 11? 16:06 Bobr2 no why? 16:06 DS-minetest normally it's tenplus1 that greets everyone on join 16:07 Bobr2 lol nah im 15 16:07 Lord_Buckethead !tell tenplus1 hi 16:07 ShadowBot Lord_Buckethead: O.K. 16:08 Lord_Buckethead just "O.K" ShadowBot? 16:08 Lord_Buckethead what insubordiation is this? 16:41 Bobr2 hi Krock welcome back 16:41 Krock hello everypony 16:42 Krock return Krock.Away() > Time.Parse("10h") ? "Hello Krock" : "Welcome back"; 16:42 Krock wb Bobr2 :P 16:42 Bobr2 thanks :) 16:44 cx384 hi 16:44 Bobr2 hi cx384 16:54 DI3HARD139 Hello Krock, DS-M and cx384 16:56 Krock hi cx384, DI3HARD139 17:00 cx384 HI ALL 17:01 cx384 and DI3HARD139 and Krock! 17:31 lisac Hey newline in descriptions bug strikes again 17:42 Raven262 Yea! 17:43 Raven262 Wait, that was not a cause for celebration. 17:43 Raven262 Odd thing was that this time it shows different behavior 17:44 Raven262 instead of cropping the text like the last time, it now offsets the frame a bit lower than the text. 18:47 lisac hey Lord_Buckethead, what do you think about https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5978 ? 18:48 Raven262 The question is not how it looks, lisac. 18:48 Raven262 The question is does it support our cause? 18:49 lisac Raven262, I could try and make them red by default 18:50 lisac but I'm sure that wouldn't get accepted :( 18:50 Lord_Buckethead the real question is how you managed to get it to need a rebase 18:51 lisac Lord_Buckethead, It's MAGIC! 18:51 lisac no idea 18:51 lisac but I could rebase it 18:51 lisac If I figure out how 18:53 lisac Lord_Buckethead, Doesn't it look better? 18:53 lisac or rather, cleaner? 18:53 lisac more like descriptions and less like actual tooltips 18:53 Lord_Buckethead i 18:54 Lord_Buckethead it looks nice 18:54 lisac do you think it'll get merged? :P 18:54 Lord_Buckethead eh maybe 18:54 lisac I hope so :) 18:59 shivajiva lisac: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Branching-Rebasing 19:11 Shara lisac: in the screenshot you give, where is the mous epointer actually positioned? 19:15 Lord_Buckethead ^ 19:16 shivajiva ^^ 19:27 lisac shivajiva, over the item slot 19:27 lisac it no longer matters where 19:27 lisac it's simply above it 19:27 lisac eg. tooltips no longer move depending upon the position of the cursor 19:29 Shara I don't really like the tooltip position to be honest. It says cobble but looks like it's above the torch. 19:30 lisac Shara, It is in the corner of the cobble's item slot 19:31 Shara Barely. 19:31 lisac it looks better once you try moving the mouse around 19:31 lisac I'll make a video 19:31 Amaz I prefer the current positioning of the tooltip 19:31 Shara I can visualise what you're saying, but I've never had an issue with the movement. I'd prefer it doesn't change. 19:32 Shara Tooltips underneath things seems much more ocmmon in general as well. 19:32 Shara common* 19:32 Amaz ^ 19:37 lisac My idea is that the tooltips in Minetest aren't actually supposed to be tooltips 19:37 lisac but descriptions of the item 19:37 lisac ex. tooltips appear after some time 19:37 lisac and describe the tool/link/etc. 19:37 lisac but in MT, they should actually be more like item stats/name 19:38 Shara It really works fine as is for me. 19:39 lisac oh well, most stuff works fine, but I thought this makes it better 19:39 lisac maybe make it an option? 19:41 Shara Maybe see if others want it / if the devs would agree to that. I really wouldn't like it this way myself, but then I've had little things that didn't bother others drive me crazy in the game before, so I know how it can feel. 19:43 Shara Chat console being set to full screen pretty much made the game unplayable for me. It was lots of annoying compiling my own client until I realised I could just make a PR :P 19:45 lisac lol, I played a lot of World of Warcraft in the last few days, so the moving item descriptions really do bother me 19:45 * shivajiva doesn't understand why you wouldn't want the pleasure of compiling MT, I like to watch src build for some strange reason :P 19:46 Shara shivajiva: try it on windows :) 19:47 shivajiva erm why would I want to mess with that dogpile :D 19:47 Shara Well there you are then :D 19:48 Shara Give me some credit, at least I'm not running servers on it :P 19:48 shivajiva I'd like to see it with the stat's in lisac just to see the idea devlop 19:49 shivajiva +e 19:52 lisac shivajiva, I had this idea of item stats, like dig times for tools, written in the description 19:52 lisac in different colors 19:52 lisac like, 5.2s dig time for stone 19:52 lisac or, -2s dig time for stone 19:52 Shara Sounds like something that could be nice as a mod 19:53 lisac compared to the def. dig time 19:53 shivajiva thought it would be interesting :) 19:57 shivajiva as a server owner I like the idea of fine grained control over things though 19:59 lisac https://youtu.be/PjBN-kwyLz4 19:59 lisac ^ video of it 20:02 lisac shivajiva, In DOTA2, for example, every item and skill has clearly defined stats. So the player can easily calculate if an upgrade pays of, etc. 20:02 lisac ex. If a wooden pickaxe digs stone for 3.3seconds, and a stone pickaxe does that at 2.8s, the user can see the difference more clearly 20:03 Shara I can see the use of a mod like that, but it shouldn't be default. 20:03 Amaz ^ 20:04 Shara Would be nice to be able to inspect tools in the inventory for info like that in some way as well, rather than have it in the tooltip 20:04 Amaz That's certainly mod territory. But it would be an awesome mod :D 20:04 shivajiva I know some players love that kind of info as it adds another dimension to the learning curve but I have to agree it should be a mod 20:04 Shara Yea. Actually could be a really good mod. 20:04 lisac hm, I'm not sure what is default to minetest. 20:05 lisac is minetest_game default? 20:05 Shara well, may as well think of it as such 20:05 lisac if so, should it be an actual game, or just a collection of examples for the engine? 20:05 Shara How do you mean? 20:06 lisac well, when you download minetest_game, should you be able to play it as a game in minetest engine, or should it just be a template for other games? 20:06 lisac should it have a gameplay, and style of it's own, or be a template? 20:07 Shara I'm not sure I understand. I thought we were just talking about a mod to get tool stats 20:07 Shara In theory, that could be made to work with any game 20:07 Calinou hi 20:08 Calinou I'm setting up my old laptop because I'm selling it, with the preinstalled Windows 10 on an HDD 20:08 Calinou the horror... i7, yet slow 20:08 Calinou so I'm removing preinstalled things, and installing updates (because it's at build 10240 right now) 20:08 Shara Hi Calinou 20:09 lisac Shara, I was thinking about such mod, but the current positioning of the item description looks quite bad when you add stats to it 20:10 lisac that is why I suggested making it a option. One defined in the item definition 20:10 lisac like, 'description_style' 20:10 lisac with 'floating' and 'top-left' as options. 20:11 Shara lisac: I don't think the item stats should go in the tooltip 20:11 Shara Regardless of position, it's going to get too large 20:12 Shara I'm wondering if you could have a way to inspect tools instead 20:16 Lord_Buckethead do you people like proofs of concept? 20:17 Lord_Buckethead https://github.com/red-001/minetest/pull/2 20:17 Lord_Buckethead !title 20:17 ShadowBot quick proof of concept for server mod sending. by red-001 · Pull Request #2 · red-001/minetest · GitHub 20:21 lisac Shara: I am, once again, not sure if they should actually be tooltips 20:26 Shara Whatever name you call them, I don't think you should add that info there. 20:27 lisac why not? It is called 'description', right? 20:27 lisac How would you add inspect, anyways? 20:28 lisac a special button? 20:33 Amaz Maybe a special slot in the inventory? 20:33 Shara lisac: I'd prefer not to have large descriptions follow me round the inventory when I play. 20:34 * twoelk suddenly remembers the onscreen display of the scifi film robots such as the terminator 20:35 Shara I'd actually be quite happy with an option to turn whatever-you-want-to-call-thems off completely really :) 20:37 Shara There's probably more than one way you could do it as a mod though. 20:37 Shara Could be anything from adding an area on screen that the info would show in to just having it on a chat command. 20:39 lisac What about having a special place in the inventory screen which shows the stats of the item the mouse is currently over 20:42 Shara If you can get that working with a mod, it could be nice 20:44 shivajiva ^ 21:00 twoelk interesting - my mt just lost all internet access while being ona server while all non-mt internet connections are still alive 21:36 Fixer *,,,,,* 22:00 red-001 that nick was too confusing for people 22:56 shivajiva any devs around to talk to plebs, he has an issue 23:08 red-001 from what they are saying someone found a way to crash severs with the book without a modifed client 23:25 * Jordach claps like a fucking seal 23:26 red-001 ok 23:26 red-001 thats prefectly normal 23:27 Jordach fuckin hell 23:27 Jordach >zone.com 23:27 Jordach WHAT YEAR IS IT 23:28 bigfoot547 2017, Jordach 23:28 bigfoot547 :P 23:33 Jordach 16bit shit VS Windows 10 23:34 Jordach REEE 23:34 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/c1oqLyx.png 23:34 benrob0329 Dosbox ftw 23:35 * benrob0329 doesnt play any DOS games... 23:35 garywhite or VM 23:36 garywhite I use VPC 2007, used it on DOS & every Windows from 3.1-2000 except NT 4 23:36 Jordach https://winworldpc.com/product/windows-98 23:36 Jordach fuck this shit i'm out 23:36 garywhite Virtual PC FTW 23:36 Jordach may bung win98 on my fucking AMD A8 laptop for fun 23:37 Jordach because it's LIT AF 23:38 Fixer Jordach: LOL 23:38 Fixer Jordach: please contact... 23:38 Fixer Jordach: THEY ARE DEAD 23:38 Fixer also, fuck W10 23:39 bigfoot547 fuck windows 23:39 Fixer minetest_game as vibrant as ever 23:39 Fixer 2 notifications 23:40 rubenwardy I have 32 notifications in MTG 23:40 rubenwardy and 271 in MTE 23:40 * rubenwardy hasn't recovered from exams yet 23:41 Fixer !tell paramat get biome info 23:41 ShadowBot Fixer: O.K. 23:51 Jordach Fixer, http://i.imgur.com/d7T9XtW.png 23:51 kaeza Jordach, why not go native, and use 3.11? 23:52 Jordach software needs 98SE/ME 23:52 Jordach C U N T 23:52 Jordach i may install ME on my laptop for a fucking giggle 23:53 Jordach bonus points for working wifi 23:53 * kaeza has XP something installed 23:53 Jordach once that's done 23:53 Jordach i'll install flash 23:54 Jordach and watch some early 2000s shockwave flashes on newgrounds 23:54 kaeza even the name tells you it's a joke 23:54 kaeza Windows 😝 23:54 benrob0329 Windblows 23:54 Jordach the screenshots for ME on winworld are bluescreens 23:55 Fixer Jordach: gay, use WinNT 4 23:56 Fixer or 98se 23:56 kaeza 98SE was best Windows 23:56 Jordach Winamp 2.x 23:56 Jordach Shockwave Flash, Strongbad 23:57 kaeza Jordach, insall gahnoo 23:58 Fixer W98se + pirated office 2000 + winamp 2.x + opera + q1/2/3/doom/red alert/gtaIII/blahblah 23:59 Fixer Jordach: don't forget about 512mb mem limit 23:59 Fixer Jordach: there are workarounds iirc