IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-05-13

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03:25	LazyJ	VanessaE, kaeza: Unified Inventory suggestion - placing nodes in a special formspec to set auto-trash function. https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/issues/100
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07:09	nerzhul	nice, in git 2.13 log now shows direct the remote and local positions :D
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07:37	tenplus1	hi folks
07:39	nerzhul	h ite
07:39	nerzhul	hi tenplus1
07:39	tenplus1	hi nrz, how's thigns ;)
07:43	CWz	Spy around here!
07:43	tenplus1	hi CWz
07:44	CWz	That tenplus1 is a spy!
07:44	tenplus1	I spy with my little eye, something beginning with D
07:44	CWz	Dumbeldor?
07:44	tenplus1	nope
07:45	CWz	Monkey D luffy?
07:45	tenplus1	lolol
07:59	benrob0329	tenplus1: ok now I know ive been awake for way too long
07:59	tenplus1	hi benrob
08:00	tenplus1	you been up all night ?
08:00	benrob0329	uhhh...umm...
08:00	benrob0329	Its not light out yet
08:00	benrob0329	So no :P
08:00	benrob0329	Still got an hour or 2 before then
08:01	tenplus1	ehehe
08:01	benrob0329	But i should probably go to bed..
08:01	benrob0329	But hey, I think Gentoo is here to stay
08:01	tenplus1	just reading today's news... nsa exploit code stolen and used to bring the NHS (british hospital services) in London to it's knees in a malware attack
08:02	benrob0329	Screw the NSA
08:02	tenplus1	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4501220/Cyber-hackers-cripple-NHS.html
08:02	benrob0329	Amyways, gnight
08:02	tenplus1	na nite
08:02	benrob0329	Or good morning, I suppose :P
08:02	tenplus1	lol
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08:17	Krock	hello tenplus1
08:17	Krock	YES
08:17	tenplus1	hi Krock :) how's you ?
08:17	Krock	happy again. internet connection problems seem to be gone
08:18	tenplus1	sweet, what was the issue ?
08:19	Krock	no clue but it works for now. I kept losing the connection a few minutes after connecting any WiFi receiver
08:19	tenplus1	strange indeed
08:26	tenplus1	https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit/pull/131 Worldedit GUI privs fix
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08:30	tenplus1	hi cx384
08:30	cx384	hi tenplus1
08:31	rdococ	hi rdococ
08:32	tenplus1	hi rdococ
08:32	rdococ	hi tenplus1
08:32	* rdococ	walks through a mirror, only to hit his head on an invisible wall 1 meter through
08:33	tenplus1	damn collisionbox issue :P
08:33	rdococ	:P
08:34	* rdococ	transforms into a vampire, and walks through the mirror.
08:34	tenplus1	lol
08:35	rdococ	Hm.
08:35	rdococ	I'm still thinking about the mirror desyncing thing.
08:35	tenplus1	:P
08:39	rdococ	yay
08:40	tenplus1	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1732
08:44	tenplus1	http://memes2.fjcdn.com/pictures/Interesting+stuff+here_d41810_6264775.jpg
08:49	rdococ	lol
08:52	tenplus1	rdococ: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/making-sense-chaos/201408/monsters-in-the-mirror-no-really-literal-monsters
08:54	rdococ	the brain is a weird thing, scaring itself
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08:56	tenplus1	wb davisonio
08:56	davisonio	thanks :)
08:57	davisonio	for some reason I can't send messages to #minetest-dev
08:57	davisonio	they were mentioning some exploit in world edit_gui
08:57	davisonio	wondering if that's still a problem anyone's experiencing?
08:59	rdococ	I'm watching someone play Sonic 06, and I'm thinking "I could create a better playing game on a 4-bit console"
09:00	tenplus1	davisonio: https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit/pull/131
09:04	davisonio	tenplus1: thanks so much, I'm patching my server with that right now
09:05	tenplus1	:)
09:06	VanessaE	davisonio: you need to use a real IRC client, not webchat, to talk in #-dev
09:07	rdococ	what was the exploit?
09:07	rdococ	ah
09:07	tenplus1	forgot to add the priv check, so anyone could use worldedit to run lua code and do all sorts
09:07	VanessaE	rdococ: the one that you saw in my servers.
09:10	rdococ	I wasn't there
09:10	* rdococ	is sad, he always misses the fun stuff
09:11	VanessaE	rdococ: see /msg
09:13	davisonio	Hmm that's annoying I'm using an online irc client app
09:13	VanessaE	use a real client.
09:13	VanessaE	hexchat, andchat, whatever works, as long as it's not a webchat
09:13	* tenplus1	uses Pidgin
09:13	davisonio	Reminds me of the circular saw bug where you could duplicate blocks. Think that one is fixed now
09:13	VanessaE	that works too.
09:14	VanessaE	not sure if that's fixed, but this was far worse.
09:14	VanessaE	about as bad as it gets, in fact.
09:14	tenplus1	thankfully things tend to get patched quick, it's just waiting for the pull to go in that's the issue :P
09:14	rdococ	o-o
09:15	rdococ	hm
09:15	tenplus1	this goes for mt-game as well
09:15	VanessaE	the problem is the mod in question is not well-maintained
09:16	tenplus1	sfan5 maintains it now
09:16	davisonio	Yeah this looks really bad, don't even know why this feature in necessary in the mod
09:16	tenplus1	agreed, should be removed
09:16	VanessaE	from _gui yes
09:17	VanessaE	from the main worldedit mod, it's fine. priv checks there.
09:21	sfan5	VanessaE: if by not well-maintained you mean no frequent changes: yes, if you mean bugs not being fixed: rather not
09:22	VanessaE	sfan5: there are 5 outstanding PRs, 15 outstanding issues, and the last commits were back in march.
09:22	VanessaE	(though I see tenplus1's fix was just merged)
09:22	tenplus1	w00t!
09:22	VanessaE	so 4 and 15.
09:24	VanessaE	two of those issues are from me, now a year and a half old, for which patches supposedly exist (ask HybridDog)...so you'll forgive me if it looks somewhat dead.
09:24	sfan5	most of those issues are either 1) nontrivial 2) strange bugs
09:24	sfan5	about prs: yes i haven't had time to look at them
09:24	VanessaE	I understand.
09:29	sfan5	does it sound correct that someone with "server" priv is able to use //lua
09:29	tenplus1	yes, since only those the server owner trusts with that priv could do anything
09:30	VanessaE	yes.
09:44	Shara	Hello
09:44	tenplus1	hi Shara
09:46	cx384	hi
09:47	Shara	How's it going?
09:47	tenplus1	good thx, you ?
09:48	Shara	Ask me when I wake up a bit :P
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10:48	tenplus1	hi fixer
10:49	Fixer	hi
10:50	shivajiva	Hi folks o/
10:50	tenplus1	hi shiva
10:50	Calinou	hi
10:51	shivajiva	interesting reading here today :)
10:51	tenplus1	o.O
10:52	shivajiva	better pull n restart my server
10:53	rdococ	https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/sep/20/video-games-cause-violence-claims-cause-violence
10:54	tenplus1	?!?!?!
10:54	rdococ	lol
10:55	shivajiva	I had a hell of a job getting a player out of a server recently, had to use WE lua to find the accounts on the fly they were granting server priv to, until I had a list of the accounts and managed to eject them
10:56	tenplus1	ouch...
10:57	red-002	I suppose talking about the exploit is ok but it would be best to give server owners ~1 week or so to update the server before going into too much detail about how it worked
10:57	Hijiri	could override the set privilege functions to just ban anyone who is granted server
10:57	tenplus1	hi red, hi Hijiri
10:57	Hijiri	hi 11
11:02	shivajiva	heh my server is compromised, when a player joins they get banned
11:02	tenplus1	am adding feature to ip_per_names on Xanadu just now that kicks anyone with server priv apart from myself and shinji
11:02	shivajiva	[11:57:08] <Serpe> 2017-05-13 12:54:34: ERROR[Main]: Access denied. Reason: Your ip is banned. Banned name was Serpe
11:02	shivajiva	[11:59:55] <Serpe> Seems there is no player on the server ATM. I guess some hack code is running.
11:02	shivajiva	[12:01:11] <Serpe> Each time someone tries to connect, there is an immediate disconnection probably coupled with some encoded permanent ban.
11:03	shivajiva	nice!
11:04	red-002	I hope you have mod security enabled and backups
11:05	shivajiva	backups yes, mod security no
11:05	red-002	I would suggest turning your server off then
11:06	red-002	unless you like being part of someones botnet
11:06	Shara	need some kind of whitelist, so only people who are on it can have certain privs... otherwise ban :)
11:13	Hijiri	yes, like allowed_to_have_fly_priv_priv
11:14	red-002	lets just add another priv system just more secure
11:14	red-002	and then wait half a year till an api for it is added
11:14	tenplus1	Xanadu now has a priv check on login, if you have any server style privs and arent myself or shinji you get booted
11:15	Shara	probem is if they can escalate after join
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11:18	tenplus1	hi Jordach
11:29	tenplus1	I'd recommend a protection_bypass priv check as well... can give players access to many things/mods
11:30	Shara	can get to the point of too many checks at this rate
11:31	tenplus1	I'm only checking those two privs 'server' and 'protection_bypass' as those give players too much access to commands and builds
11:31	red-002	I mean you are adding a system to check if a player should be able to have a privledge that another system gives out
11:31	red-002	I say you reached that point long ago
11:32	* rdococ	hugs red
11:32	tenplus1	too many hacked clients around that give out privs like candy... this way it saves the server hassle
11:32	red-002	...
11:33	red-002	or you know just fix exploits in your server
11:33	red-002	if you can run any lua code you don't care about privs
11:33	tenplus1	we shouldnt have any... this is a cehck for hacked clients giving out privs to normal players
11:34	rdococ	how do hacked clients give privs to normal players without the privs priv in the first place?
11:34	tenplus1	no idea...
11:34	red-002	thats impossbile unless these clients include a "exploit server" feature
11:34	rdococ	sounds like these servers are made of glass
11:34	red-002	in which case thats more likely then not pretty illegal
11:36	red-002	the client doesn't even know if the player has 'server'/'protection_bypass'
11:36	Shara	when a client grants an ability it usually doesn't show as a priv
11:36	tenplus1	on xanadu mk2 we had an issue where a player managed to use a custom client to sign on with "delprotect" priv... from there he could open any protected door, chest, place blocks and remove from ppl's protected builds...
11:37	red-002	are you sure you don't an exploit in your server?
11:37	tenplus1	positive...
11:37	red-002	cause it sounds like you do
11:38	tenplus1	no-one can run lua code, no-one has privs to do anything apart from play and even admin have a custom 'limit' priv to allow them to boot players from server
11:38	red-002	do you have any custom mods for granting privs?
11:38	tenplus1	nope
11:39	red-002	did the user have the "delprotect'/'protection_bypass' privilege and did you see this first hand or is this a second hand report?
11:40	tenplus1	they had the ability to break all protected blocks... I knew protection worked fine (this was tested)... and a /priv check showed they did indeed have 'delprotect' priv... so they were limited and banned
11:41	red-002	we should really log priv granting
11:41	tenplus1	+100
11:41	red-002	and you searched the logs and no-one granted the user that priv?
11:41	tenplus1	nothing
11:41	red-002	maybe they got access to an old account?
11:41	red-002	how far back do your logs go?
11:41	tenplus1	nope, only myself and "titaniumanglesmithe" (shinji) has access
11:45	red-002	thats really werid
11:46	red-002	but thats not the work of some random hacked client
11:47	red-002	either this player found an exploit or they accidently got the privilege granted
11:59	tenplus1	I have a new found respect for the Amiga computer... was amazing that a system with 8-bit sound could be tweaked using software alone to enable 14-bit audio
12:01	shivajiva	how was it implemented?
12:01	VanessaE	gang two voices of the Paula chip together.
12:01	tenplus1	the trick was to put PAL screen mode into 31khz so they could free up the frequency so that audio can be played up to 44khz (14-bit)
12:02	tenplus1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_GSzuxGUvQ
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12:02	VanessaE	the same trick works on any system that has two or more DAC channels with volume controls feeding into a common wire
12:02	tenplus1	wn Jordach
12:02	tenplus1	*wb
12:02	Jordach	there, installed latest windows 10 crap
12:02	Jordach	not a single bug
12:02	tenplus1	I remember using OctaMod and gaining 8-channels from a 4-channel setup :) was kewl
12:02	rdococ	...
12:02	VanessaE	I used that trick to get full 8-bit audio from the C64 SID chip, in a very primitive method (others have since done it better)
12:03	tenplus1	the demos on the older audio chips are amazing :) commodore were ahead of them all at the tiem :D
12:03	VanessaE	yup
12:05	tenplus1	I have a huge respect for Amiga audio and the mods I grew up with... I still think we need .mod/.xm support for minetest to help with server audio :)))
12:09	Fixer	Krock: btw, are you using Posready hack on your XP?
12:11	Krock	Fixer, according to my regedit, no.
12:12	Fixer	Krock: ms issued a patch for XP to fix that smbv1 critical vulner
12:12	Krock	Fixer, what are you doing with my name? I don't see a red highlight bullet
12:12	Fixer	Krock: no idea
12:13	Krock	!ping
12:13	red-002	Krock: ?
12:13	ShadowBot	pong
12:13	Krock	hmm... weird
12:13	red-002	Krock: huh?
12:13	Fixer	there are claims that vulnerability goes back up to win 3.11
12:13	Krock	nvm, it's my fault - freenode was apparently marked as "Inactive"
12:13	Krock	thus, no highlights.
12:14	rdococ	meow.
12:14	Krock	Thanks Fixer for pointing this out, however I'm not sure if I'll actually get the updates before Minetest goes C++11
12:14	Krock	which is my milestone to burry Win XP
12:14	tenplus1	will moving to C++11 speed things up ?
12:15	Krock	the only thing that speeds up is the coding job itself
12:15	rdococ	yay, faster updates?!
12:15	Fixer	Krock: btw, if you enable posready hack, you will keep receiving win xp updates to 2019, for different edition of XP (embedded)
12:15	Krock	auto i = m_list.begin(); instead of std::vector<what::ever_stuff>::iterator t = m_list.begin();
12:16	red-002	yeah if you are still using xp it's a good idea to enable that
12:16	Krock	Fixer, I'm aware of that hack but it's nearly impossible to get modern software to run on it
12:17	nerzhul	tenplus1, it will permit to have some faciltiies and high level API
12:17	Fixer	Krock: what modern software?
12:17	tenplus1	ooh, like what nrz ?
12:17	nerzhul	for example, removing an element in a list according to a condition in C++11: std::remove_if(c.begin(), c.end(), [] (a) { a < 3; });
12:17	nerzhul	return a < 3;
12:17	nerzhul	sorry :)
12:18	nerzhul	it's an schematic example but an example
12:18	Krock	Fixer, Visual Studio 201?, M$ Word, Atom, OBS Project,
12:18	Krock	and many other don't support Win 5.1 anymore
12:18	nerzhul	we already start to use C++11 containers in a compatible way with unordered_map & unordered_set, which are selected when using a c++11 compiler
12:18	Fixer	Krock: -> Win7
12:18	Krock	even FF dropped the support
12:18	Fixer	Krock: FF does support XP
12:19	tenplus1	latest FF only runs on newer processors p4 and above
12:19	Krock	Fixer, yeah, until version 52
12:19	Fixer	Krock: i've just upgraded one XP machine from SP1 to SP3 and installed newest firefox
12:19	nerzhul	after release, i will wait for 1 week and propose multiple patchsets to remove old compat and use: std::mutex, std::thread, std::recursive_mutex, std::lock_guard, std::unordered_map & std::unordered_set directly
12:19	Krock	https://support.mozilla.org/de/kb/end-support-windows-xp-and-vista?as=u&utm_source=inproduct
12:19	nerzhul	i think my first work will be the engine conversion to C++11
12:19	nerzhul	C++14 is used on 0ad if i remember
12:20	nerzhul	but if MT uses C++11 it's sufficient atm, there is many things to refactor
12:20	tenplus1	anyone remember the game "Another World" ???
12:20	nerzhul	also, use nullptr on pointers instead of NULL
12:20	rdococ	C++17
12:20	nerzhul	and last, for default values in constructor, remove them from constructor and assign them in header (<3)
12:20	rdococ	soon, C++43 will add support for time machines
12:21	tenplus1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nlmje-rUQs
12:21	Krock	Fixer, just seen the /de/ part in that URL. I hope you manage it to see it in your language :/
12:21	nerzhul	C++17 is interesting, but not supported official by compilers, i started to use it on a Mc -> MT map converter and the filesystem API is always in experimental
12:21	nerzhul	(in stdlib)
12:21	nerzhul	and some things are not finished
12:22	Fixer	"Firefox version 52 will be the last complete update for Windows XP and Windows Vista. Security updates will be released, but no new features. "
12:22	Fixer	" Firefox security updates until September 2017. "
12:23	Krock	that's not long IMO
12:23	rdococ	Windas.
12:23	rdococ	Windas EKSPEE.
12:23	rdococ	:P
12:24	tenplus1	WinXP SP3 Performance Edition was the last windows I ever ran on a Pc
12:24	Fixer	Krock: http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4012598%20XP (notice POSReady 2009 received very same patch two month earlier)
12:25	Krock	^ loads like forever
12:26	* rdococ	hugs
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12:34	paramat	tenplus1 "all we need now is the possibility to register a BASE biome which the other biomes can attach to at different levels in the map" can you explain? current Biome API can already create multiple stacked sets of biomes (if the basic stone terrain exists), what is needed is a core mapgen that creates multiple stacked basic terrains. mgv7 floatlands are only 1 level
12:34	Jordach	uh
12:34	Jordach	why not set ground level to -1
12:34	Jordach	-30000
12:34	Jordach	that way floatlands generate all the way up
12:34	tenplus1	that's the thing paramat, IF the original basic_stone terrain exists... why cant we register new stone_terrain at say 5000 high and have biomes connect and build from it
12:35	tenplus1	floatlands has it semi right by allowing new biomes to form on floating stone that doesnt need to connect to the 0 level stone
12:36	tenplus1	having map layers (not just floatlands) will be an amazing step forward in creating dimensions 1000's of nodes apart and increase mod capabilities
12:36	tenplus1	and game features :P
12:41	tenplus1	plus we already have skyboxes ready for it all :D
12:42	Fixer	minetest BIG height is huuge advantage
12:42	Fixer	you can literally stuck 10 worlds on top of each other
12:42	tenplus1	+1000, we gotta do something with all that vertical space
12:43	Fixer	with different biomes and such
12:43	tenplus1	we could literally register 30 different dimensions each with a +/- 1000 block area
12:44	Fixer	only part that needs to be evaded is lua, to avoid OOMs
12:44	tenplus1	if the current mapgen could handle layers it would phase out voxelmanip mapgens and make thigns a lot faster, with less OOMs
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12:46	tenplus1	paramat: if we could only register the sone_base needed to build onto then biomes would take care of themselves at any height
12:46	tenplus1	hi rubenwardy
12:47	rubenwardy	yo
12:51	paramat	ok i see what you mean, and agree
12:51	tenplus1	yaaaay!
12:51	paramat	not sure if mgv7 could do this, probably best a new mapgen
12:52	paramat	i'll try to make it a feature in any new core mapgen
12:52	tenplus1	thankies... this'll let us register a base layer (with biomes) anywhere between -30,000 and 30,000 :)) w00t
12:55	paramat	and i do work on new core mapgens (have been for 2 years), i just don't talk about them much
12:58	tenplus1	new mapgens ? any testers ?
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13:02	Fixer	ms catalog is horribly slow
13:02	Krock	can confirm
13:03	Krock	they must be using an M$ server software
13:04	tenplus1	lolol
13:06	tenplus1	current chest models are messing around too much with mods, any mt-game devs wanna look at https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1732 and add it already to fix this
13:16	paramat	tenplus1 i have one experimental mapgen that is usable https://github.com/paramat/minetest/tree/rivergen
13:16	paramat	plus another in development
13:17	tenplus1	I'd need to compile to run ?
13:17	paramat	yeah
13:17	paramat	sorry
13:17	tenplus1	any special features you can mention in here ?
13:19	paramat	it's similar to my watershed mapgen mod, but much improved over that
13:19	paramat	large scale with sloping rivers
13:19	tenplus1	ooh nice :D
13:20	tenplus1	and if ya can include layering then we got the ultimate :D ehehe
13:20	paramat	it doesn't so that but is coded to make that possible
13:20	paramat	*do
13:21	red-002	is a special mod needed to make it work?
13:21	red-002	or can I just build it and run it?
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13:32	paramat	just compile and run it, MTG adds the default biomes
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13:49	red-002	May 01 00:18:10 <Redcrab>*** Iracheta102 left the game
13:49	red-002	May 01 00:18:11 <OldCoder>It is Minetest official
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13:59	rdococ	I personally have a tab size of 5. what about everyone else?
14:00	Krock	4 here
14:00	red-002	not sure
14:00	rdococ	I use 4 if 5 isn't available.
14:00	red-002	I just leave it at the default
14:00	red-002	unless the default is really bad
14:00	Shara	4 for me
14:00	rdococ	if the only options are 2 or 8, I'd pick 8.
14:00	VanessaE	real tabs, 4 spaces per stop.
14:01	rdococ	I also prefer real tabs to manually inputting spaces.
14:01	Krock	spaces in the beginning of lines are ugly anyways
14:01	Krock	but after the first word they should be used to linue up correctly
14:01	Krock	*line
14:02	celeron55	a 13-page email, that's insane
14:03	Krock	celeron55, font size 72 or 14?
14:03	red-002	yeah he or someone that will tell him
14:03	celeron55	well someone write me a script that will add [off] to the beginning of every line
14:03	celeron55	for irssi
14:04	red-002	most minetest channels have a logger that ignores [off] running im them
14:04	red-002	in*
14:04	Krock	that should be forbidden!
14:05	red-002	not this one through
14:05	red-002	or use a pastebin?
14:09	celeron55	i haven't gotten that email
14:09	rubenwardy	celeron55: you're CC'd
14:09	rubenwardy	but gmail tagged it as spam, so...
14:10	red-002	well it is spam
14:10	shivajiva	lol
14:11	celeron55	ok, i'm considering gmail working correctly in that case
14:13	celeron55	anyway, i wouldn't (and personally won't) worry much about any of that
14:13	rubenwardy	yeah, it's very unlikely to lead to anything
14:13	rubenwardy	bark no bite
14:13	rubenwardy	if a trademark claim is filed, that's when we start to take actions
14:15	celeron55	i hate him using my real name though
14:15	celeron55	i wish he quitted that
14:15	rubenwardy	same
14:15	rubenwardy	also, casual doxing
14:15	rubenwardy	well, in effect
14:16	shivajiva	yes it is
14:16	celeron55	there's literally no way he can achieve any of what he wants anymore, if anyone can even understand what he wants (i don't)
14:16	Shara	surprised I wasn't emailed, despite being mentioned so much
14:17	shivajiva	I object to being called nomal btw :P
14:17	VanessaE	nor was I.
14:17	rubenwardy	also, he mentions a possible buyout by Microsoft :D
14:17	red-002	lol
14:17	VanessaE	yeah. wat? :P
14:17	celeron55	lol what
14:17	tenplus1	?????????????
14:18	red-002	yeah thats more then likely
14:39	red-002	^
14:45	red-002	US*
14:46	red-002	^
14:48	red-002	domain name?
15:02	* tenplus1	has a desktop box... hah!
15:02	red-002	does at need [off]?
15:02	rubenwardy	mine is $9/year including whois privacy
15:02	rubenwardy	namecheap
15:02	red-002	thats pretty cheap
15:03	Shara	I still use a free domain... and have done so for about 5 years now.
15:03	rubenwardy	dotcom as well, rubenwardy.com
15:03	Shara	But mostly because I could never settle on one I liked :)
15:03	red-002	I remeber one of these free domain providers had an option of a free domain for 12 months or a paid one for a year
15:04	davisonio	Just read through that whole PDF...wow
15:04	red-002	well done
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15:05	davisonio	Haven't been involved with minetest in the last few months...seems like I missed a lot
15:05	davisonio	Oh I'm a domain hoarder ;) spend too much
15:05	red-002	I would describe it as the opposite of missing out
15:07	Shara	red-002: the free one I use lets you register for 12 month/year/whatever, then you can renew... I think it's anytime within two weeks of expiry
15:07	Shara	They do check the domain name is actually being used though, or at least they did once before
15:07	red-002	I was pointing out that they had a seperate cost for a year and 12 months
15:07	red-002	Shara, which provider?
15:07	Shara	Yes, I know :)
15:08	Shara	I use a .tk one
15:08	red-002	oh I setup minetest.tk to redirect to minetest.net
15:15	tenplus1	rubywarden sounds like something from Steven Universe
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15:25	tenplus1	hi DS-minetest
15:38	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/9LNm87g.png
15:39	Krock	271? that's already a bunch of them
15:39	tenplus1	271 ?
15:40	Krock	but it seems that not all particles are removed
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15:40	tenplus1	hi lumidify
15:42	lumidify	Hi tenplus1
15:42	Fixer	Krock: got as much as 310 on Hometown server
15:43	Calinou	https://github.com/ornicar/lila/commit/ff7d5b496fe8811401f5e8aa67bd4cdffbbf3dad
15:43	Calinou	Lichess just dropped Google Analytics :D
15:44	rubenwardy	:D
15:44	Fixer	https://github.com/ornicar/lila/labels/stallman
15:44	rubenwardy	my website get's about 300 requests a day from sites using Lichess widgets
15:44	rubenwardy	http://rubenwardy.com/lichess_widgets
15:45	Calinou	I think I might become a patron there
15:45	rubenwardy	loooool
15:45	tenplus1	lol
15:45	Calinou	why not
15:46	tenplus1	you cant visit a website these days without visiting another 100 ... they are all connected now
15:47	Fixer	i'm using rss + filters instead
15:47	Calinou	well, you could already block Google Analytics
15:47	Calinou	but I think it's a good thing he dropped it
15:48	Fixer	yes
15:48	Fixer	drop the bass
15:49	Fixer	it is over 200 particles right now, not sure wth they are doing
15:49	Fixer	fighting with mobs or something
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15:49	tenplus1	wb ruben
15:49	rubywarden	sounds good, calculon
15:49	rubywarden	arg
15:50	rubywarden	Calinou
15:50	rubywarden	why doesn't hexchat list options anymore
15:50	Calinou	rubywarden, what do you think about Python?
15:50	Calinou	is it the new evil lang--
15:50	* Calinou	runs
15:50	rubenwardy	I don't mind it
15:50	rubenwardy	there are some syntax things that annoy me
15:50	Calinou	there was a time Rubyists hated on Python
15:50	Calinou	:P
15:50	rubenwardy	that aren't very pythonic
15:50	Calinou	but now that Rubyists barely exist anymoreâ€¦ :D
15:51	rubenwardy	it Python well typed?
15:51	Fixer	i like python
15:51	Calinou	it is strongly-typed, and has type hints now too
15:51	Fixer	you can get into it easily
15:51	Calinou	(optional)
15:51	Fixer	program fast
15:51	Calinou	yeah, Python is fine
15:51	Calinou	but it's slow
15:51	Fixer	this thing is excellent for teaching imho
15:51	tenplus1	python is like new age basic... and I loved basic :D
15:52	Fixer	i had basic on zx spectrum, but... i had no manual or english understanding
15:53	tenplus1	microsoft basic made an appearance on many systems in the 80's :) was a great tool to play with
15:54	Fixer	Calinou: i remember ruby hype everywhere
15:59	Fixer	O_O
15:59	Fixer	400 particles
15:59	tenplus1	what's going on with the particles fixer ?
15:59	Fixer	tenplus1: particles are rendered for everyone on server, even if you are 1000 blocks away
16:00	Fixer	tenplus1: if you blow up big TNT, other players will encounter lag/lowfps/freeze due to particle rendering
16:01	Fixer	450 O_O
16:01	tenplus1	so they dont just appear for those who can actually see them... ouch!!!!
16:04	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/NPcUleD.png
16:04	tenplus1	I know that irrlicht can handle hardware particles... always wondered when they came into play
16:08	tenplus1	does each particle act like a tiny entity ?
16:08	rubenwardy	there's now an American section in my local store
16:08	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/xph8RIq.png TRIGGERED
16:09	rubenwardy	*US
16:09	rubenwardy	for those that are TRIGGERhappy
16:09	rubenwardy	kidding :D
16:09	VanessaE	man I wish that would just fucking DIE
16:10	rubenwardy	I bought a tootsieroll. Mildly interesting, they had to add a sticker as the food laws are different: I bought a tootsieroll. They had to
16:10	Fixer	i wonder if there is roleplay troll bots on 2b2t
16:10	VanessaE	(triggers/"trigger warning")
16:10	rubenwardy	https://i.imgur.com/xph8RIq.png
16:10	tenplus1	lol
16:10	Calinou	have you playedâ€¦Â Triggered Eclipse?
16:10	rubenwardy	seriously brain farting today
16:11	rubenwardy	I bought a tootsieroll. Mildly interesting, they had to add a sticker as the food laws are different: https://rubenwardy.com/p/4587_tootsieroll.jpg
16:11	rubenwardy	there we are
16:12	tenplus1	we have them on everything here in UK...
16:12	tenplus1	even peanut butter has "may contain nuts"
16:12	Calinou	that's a Minecraft splash btw
16:12	Fixer	rubenwardy: don't get it
16:14	rubenwardy	Fixer: UK/EU laws are stricter on how companies label food, ie: they need to provide a detailed ingredient break down
16:14	Fixer	rubenwardy: same in Ukraine
16:14	rubenwardy	therefore US imports need to have a new label on them
16:14	Fixer	rubenwardy: ah, i see this labeling everywhere here too
16:14	Calinou	we have mandatory ingredient list too
16:15	Calinou	I think it makes ense
16:15	Calinou	sense*
16:15	rubenwardy	yeah, it must just be an EU thing then
16:15	Fixer	rubenwardy: but customers do need to know what they it, it is not "communism", "socialism", just common sence
16:15	Fixer	eat*
16:15	rubenwardy	exactly, I agree. It's common sense
16:16	rubenwardy	it's crazy that you don't know what's in your food in Murica
16:16	Fixer	you can literally sell ShitRolls with shit in it and nobody will even find it out without ingredient info
16:16	red-002	but but freedom!!!!!
16:16	Fixer	red-002: freedom to be scummed?
16:16	red-002	of course
16:16	tenplus1	I remember reading that out of 248 countries, america came 240th in a list of healthy foods
16:17	tenplus1	1-5 being the netherland coutnries
16:18	Fixer	US definitely has problems with junk food, i've read somewhere average american wheight (fuck this word in particular) is like 10 kg more than european going into obesity territory
16:19	Fixer	iirc portions/dishes in US are also larger than here, but that could be urban myth
16:19	Fixer	also free refills
16:19	tenplus1	the food in general, most of fake... honey is typically corn syrup, coffee is mixed with soya beans etc etc...
16:19	Fixer	i have not even heared that this exists...
16:21	Fixer	food is only part of a life style, other parts also play a role
16:21	Fixer	including healthcare
16:23	VanessaE	Fixer: typical large burger here might be 300g before cooking.
16:23	VanessaE	a small burger might be more like 50g
16:24	rubenwardy	http://mentalfloss.com/article/76144/why-no-one-wanted-aws-third-pound-burger
16:24	tenplus1	66g is the normal burger size here
16:24	VanessaE	it's not an urban legend - american food portion sizes are huge, but a lot of that can be blamed on cost - restaurants expect us to spend $15 to $20 on a meal (for 2 people), so americans tend to expect very large portions in return
16:25	Fixer	VanessaE: never had burger in my life
16:25	VanessaE	you'll enjoy a properly-cooked cheeseburger, really.
16:25	rubenwardy	normal is quarter pounder here, I'd say
16:25	VanessaE	there's just nothing like it, especially if it's smoke-grilled
16:25	Fixer	we have different food, more natural, but not really that healthy, like POTATOES
16:26	rubenwardy	is the 300g just meat?
16:26	VanessaE	rubenwardy: normal would be 1/10 pound for a mcdonald's regular burger, 2/10 for their "double" sizes.
16:26	VanessaE	yeah, that 300g is for example Hardees "Monster Thickburger", 2/3 pound.
16:26	tenplus1	eek!... so much food... I already have trouble with the portion sizes here
16:27	rubenwardy	quarter pounder is 113g
16:28	Wayward_One	hi all :)
16:28	tenplus1	hi wayward
16:28	VanessaE	morning Wayward
16:30	Fixer	rubenwardy: awesome education /s
16:31	rubenwardy	I hate imperial units
16:31	Fixer	and you wonder why politicians treet people like cattle
16:31	Fixer	treat*
16:31	Fixer	yes, fuck imperial
16:31	tenplus1	lol
16:31	Fixer	metric all the way
16:32	tenplus1	1 10 100 1000 is a lot easier
16:33	VanessaE	agreed, fuck imperial
16:34	benrob0329	Hello
16:34	tenplus1	hi ben
16:34	benrob0329	VanessaE: indeed
16:35	benrob0329	tenplus1: so what'd I miss?
16:35	tenplus1	bedlum
16:35	tenplus1	and particles
16:36	benrob0329	Seems normal
16:36	tenplus1	:P
16:36	Calinou	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2017#Final
16:36	Calinou	Eurovision is today btw
16:36	Calinou	France is the last country to perform, and possibly the last one in the ranking I guess
16:36	tenplus1	ooh... cant wait to youtube that one :D
16:36	Calinou	who do you think will win?
16:36	Calinou	I bet on Sweden as usual
16:36	tenplus1	is uk still in it ????
16:36	Calinou	(always bet on Sweden)
16:37	Calinou	I linked to the list of participating countries
16:37	tenplus1	ah, we're still on there
16:37	Fixer	will see
16:38	davisonio	Looking forward to Moldovas entry
16:38	Fixer	still over 200 particles
16:40	Fixer	mortal kombat times on a keyboard
16:40	Fixer	there were real keyboards back then
16:40	Fixer	not this weak cheap shit
16:40	red-002	lol
16:42	red-002	oh I got a section
16:42	red-002	lol
16:43	red-002	lol apprently I didn't try to discuss my concerns with him
16:43	red-002	maybe I should post the logs of what happens when you try that
17:02	Fixer	never was on 4chan, lately i decided to read some of it on reddit, have more insight into memes
17:04	red-002	4chan is an insite into the depths of the human mind
17:04	red-002	benrob0329, he has been for like a month now
17:05	red-002	huh the site doesn't match the email
17:05	red-002	I guess it should be expected
17:06	Fixer	Inflation... https://i.redd.it/mn30oomaf5xy.jpg
17:07	Fixer	Venezuela R.I.P.
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17:11	tenplus1	hi CWz
17:12	red-002	xfiles intro
17:12	red-002	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbBX6aEzEz8
17:13	red-002	oh btw archive.is includes a tracker so you might want to block that
17:14	red-002	!seen nore
17:14	ShadowBot	red-002: I saw nore in #minetest-hub 16 seconds ago saying "[off] Shara: oh, ok good then :)"
17:14	red-002	oh...
17:14	Shara	Hah
17:14	red-002	that's a bit of an exploit
17:14	Shara	Only if you do that :P
17:14	red-002	just make a bot that runs that
17:14	red-002	nore, don't bother
17:15	red-002	^
17:18	red-002	can we please ban this subject
17:20	red-002	^
17:20	red-002	thats what other channels did so I don't see why it's a bad idea
17:24	Krock	red-002, access violation. the thread has been deleted :P
17:25	Fixer	Krock: 0x00000005
17:25	Fixer	500 particles
17:25	Krock	huh? 0x00000005 = 5
17:26	Krock	apparently number0 was right with this assumption
17:36	red-002	oh I just don't bother
17:36	Fixer	holy shit https://i.imgur.com/WLqnauQ.png
17:37	red-002	might as well be reading this http://www.lipsum.com/feed/html
17:37	tenplus1	lol
17:38	benrob0329	Fixer: shit is holy?
17:38	VanessaE	well that's what you'd call it when a clergyman takes a bathroom break, right? :P
17:39	benrob0329	Lol
17:44	tenplus1	http://lolsnaps.com/funny/190319/i-don-t-know-what-i-was-expecting-but-it-sure-wasn-t-this
17:45	Krock	ok, that's worth a lol
17:46	tenplus1	:P
17:46	DS-minetest	+
17:46	red-002	tenplus1, wat?
17:46	red-002	what?*
17:47	tenplus1	ehehe
17:47	DS-minetest	the question is what happens if she puts the shirt back on
17:47	red-002	0x00000005
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17:50	benrob0329	Wth
17:52	red-002	wth?
17:52	benrob0329	wth.
17:52	red-002	wth!
17:53	benrob0329	htw!
17:53	red-002	wth wth??!
17:53	tenplus1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNwNNw0u97Y&list=PL9jDCY0em-MUPcNf25Qj3SfdKa8Tjjqce
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17:56	red-002	did you use notice or something?
17:57	red-002	nvm
17:58	Krock	ahah http://imgur.com/gallery/CrP10wJ
18:13	Calinou	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6axvjo/now_we_know_who_is_writing_the_error_messages_for/
18:13	Calinou	:D
18:13	Calinou	my opinion on 4chan, btw: I learned about reddit as "4chan's smarter brother" and I'll continue to call it like that :)
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18:18	tenplus1	hi paramat
18:23	rdococ	hi paramat
18:24	Calinou	hi paramat
18:25	benrob0329	hi paramat
18:26	paramat	oh man
18:26	rubenwardy	hi paramat
18:27	Krock	hi paramat
18:27	DS-minetest	hi paramat
18:27	DS-minetest	hah
18:27	shivajiva	hi paramat
18:27	rdococ	who wants to see Mario Kart in Minetest?
18:27	tenplus1	lol
18:27	* DS-minetest
18:28	rdococ	it might happen. if I bother to.
18:28	DS-minetest	supertux cart would be nicer to have
18:28	tenplus1	I has that :DDD
18:28	DS-minetest	also perhaps it's models are useable
18:29	benrob0329	If they are still compatible
18:29	benrob0329	We need custom shaders
18:29	paramat	i'm intending to try create drifting in a vehicle
18:30	benrob0329	Even if custom shaderpacks are only clientmods
18:30	rdococ	I was going to add drifting to my vehicle but I think it wouldn't work that well with a mouse controlled kart
18:31	benrob0329	Being able to have material packs like that (coresponding to each material per node as a set value) would open up a lot of flexability
18:32	red-002	shivajiva, away for a week
18:32	benrob0329	Aka like we define textures for each material, only with shaders
18:32	shivajiva	thanks
18:32	red-002	I'll be away for the comming week, if anyone asks tell them I'll be back next Tuesday/Wednesday
18:32	red-002	why are you using [off] for that?
18:33	shivajiva	dunno lol
18:33	paramat	mouse-controlled is fine as it's a more powerful input
18:35	Calinou	I can't stand driving with a mouse in a game
18:35	Calinou	I prefer the keyboard when I don't have a gamepad around
18:35	Calinou	by far
18:37	Krock	Calinou, mouse down replacements by keys are coming along
18:37	benrob0329	Calinou: yes, but vehicles will be laggy until we get a proper api for either A) vehicles or B) custom prediction
18:37	Calinou	keyboard look in a game is generally useless though
18:37	Calinou	but it's nice to have for disabled players, playing with one handâ€¦
18:38	Krock	so it'll be possible to control the car, your view by keyboard
18:38	Calinou	I remember reading a thread on Minecraft Forums where a player said he had a one-armed friend
18:38	Calinou	so he was looking for ways to let him play
18:38	Calinou	(the game still doesn't have keyboard look today in vanilla, though)
18:38	rdococ	depends which arm
18:38	Calinou	I don't remember :D
18:39	rdococ	keyboard look wouldn't be too hard I guess, but mouse is more precise
18:39	rdococ	Or, alternative solution:
18:39	rdococ	Minetest in VR
18:39	rdococ	:P
18:41	Calinou	heh
18:41	Calinou	you'd barf when moving
18:41	Calinou	this is a problem in any first-person VR game
18:41	Calinou	if you look at the Serious Sam VR games, by default, you can't move in them
18:41	Fixer	Calinou: mouse with more buttons + pedals
18:42	Calinou	if you change a setting (and have a really strong stomatch), you can
18:42	Calinou	Fixer: yeah; steering wheel controlâ€¦ awesome
18:42	Fixer	on mouse you can put forward, pedals - left/right
18:42	Calinou	"VROOM I'm driving through my sneak ladder VROOM"
18:46	benrob0329	Alright, I'm gonna be off for most of the day
18:46	benrob0329	Bye all!
18:46	tenplus1	laters
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18:47	rdococ	VR is indeed better for games where you don't walk
18:47	rdococ	e.g. racing games
18:47	DS-minetest	bye benrob0329
18:49	Fixer	oh boy
18:50	Fixer	i can't describe how slow is JT2 spawn
18:50	Fixer	like 25 fps...
18:50	Fixer	some time ago it was 40 with same view
18:50	Krock	offtopic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTwxtYin1p0
18:50	Fixer	reason is "sea city"
18:51	Fixer	I may found another sneak related bug
18:52	Fixer	try sneaking through doors
18:52	Fixer	opened doors*
18:52	tenplus1	sneak through open doors ??
18:52	Fixer	yep
18:53	DS-minetest	and steal all what you find? :P
18:53	paramat	krock's PR might fix that
18:54	Fixer	one important detail, slab above opened door
18:54	Krock	no, it won't
18:54	Fixer	will look into vanilla
18:54	Fixer	VE-S has literally few particles
18:55	Fixer	1-2 particles at most
18:55	VanessaE	Fixer: faucets also produce particles.
18:55	VanessaE	but those are usually turned off.
18:55	VanessaE	(showerheads, too)
18:55	Fixer	just now i see 2 particles in graph
18:55	VanessaE	coffee makers also have a continuous "steam" from the coffee cup
18:55	VanessaE	(should only be a dozen or so particles for that one)
18:55	Fixer	compare this to 250 particles on avg on hometown
18:56	Fixer	JT2 has some peaks at 100 particles
18:56	Krock	will fix sneaking through doors now
18:56	Fixer	20 particles on VE-s just now
18:56	VanessaE	Fixer: near spawn?
18:57	VanessaE	Fixer: you probably saw "smoke" particles from an industrial hive extractor I think it is.
18:57	Fixer	VanessaE: yeah
18:57	DS-minetest	the location doesn't matter i thought, since every player sees all particles
18:57	Fixer	VanessaE: very little particles
18:57	VanessaE	DS-minetest: oh right, forgot about that
18:57	Fixer	VanessaE: very few particles**
18:58	VanessaE	Fixer: for a test, go somewhere and place several bathroom sinks, the put taps above then, and right-click to turn them on
18:58	Fixer	VanessaE: graphs show particles from entire server
18:58	rdococ	yay particles
18:58	Fixer	VanessaE: since they are rendered for everyone it seems
18:59	Fixer	so if some guy opens the faucet 60000 blocks away, i will detect it ._.
18:59	VanessaE	jeez
19:00	tenplus1	any way to move particles to client only
19:00	DS-minetest	hm, sneaking in door teleports at some places
19:00	Fixer	VanessaE: thats how I found it out, on Hometown someone blows up TNT 5000 blocks away -> everyone freeze-lags-lowfps-particle-count-sky-high
19:01	Fixer	Kaeza signs - 1.74 sec freeze
19:01	DS-minetest	in lua the mods could be changed, so, that the particles/-spawners are only showed to players, the function had to be executed multible times
19:02	DS-minetest	Fixer: lol, time travel
19:03	Fixer	a lot of negative mainloop_other %)
19:03	Fixer	-0.002
19:03	Fixer	wth?
19:03	red-002	wth!
19:04	DS-minetest	the upper half of the door is the problem making part
19:07	rdococ	?
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19:13	tenplus1	hi lumidify
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19:14	tenplus1	wb kaeza
19:15	kaeza	greetings tenplus1
19:15	tenplus1	watching a video showing every single Amiga CD32 game :DD
19:16	lumidify	Hi tenplus1
19:19	Krock	well, Fixer. sneaking through a door wasn't possible either before
19:19	Krock	using the old sneak code
19:20	Fixer	Krock: ugh.
19:20	tenplus1	I couldnt manage to sneak through the door... hrm
19:20	Fixer	i will do something crazier
19:20	Fixer	tinytask opening T-chat many times, will leave it for some time, maybe it crashes after few 100x tries
19:20	Krock	just tested it on my older 170211 build, which surely doesn't have any modifications in that area
19:22	Krock	which reminds me doing another Win32 build ... if anyone cares about that
19:27	tenplus1	I take it the new setting: thing is what we all should be using now for 0.4.16 ???
19:28	Krock	huh, what do you mean?
19:30	tenplus1	instead of using minetest.setting_getbool am I now to use settings:get_boot ?
19:30	red-002	get_boot?
19:30	tenplus1	*bool oopd
19:30	tenplus1	dammit
19:30	red-002	yeah that is ready
19:30	red-002	you can still use the old method
19:31	tenplus1	with a million deprecation warnings, but for backwards compatibility with 0.4.14 and 0.4.15 I'm sticking with old method
19:31	tenplus1	any reason it was changed???
19:33	DS-minetest	but using the old spamms terminal
19:33	tenplus1	true, but I want certain mods compatible... not everyone updates to new version on their server or just to play with
19:33	red-002	well you could add your own proxy function
19:33	tenplus1	will prolly have to
19:34	tenplus1	did the same with nodupdate and mapgen detection
19:34	tenplus1	it's a pain when perfectly fine functions get changed
19:37	DS-minetest	aw, that is really awful with the deprecated messages already
19:38	DS-minetest	can't it just count how often it was used and then print it once?
19:38	tenplus1	seems to be the way things go eventually...
19:38	DS-minetest	ahh, i seem to even have a mod that uses the function after load O_o
19:39	tenplus1	I still dont get why the change ?
19:44	tenplus1	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/43d1f375d18a2fbc547a9b4f23d1354d645856ca ?????? changes made, but it still works in exactly same way... so WHY change ???
19:56	* tenplus1	listens to Orbital's new album Wonky :P
19:58	Krock	tenplus1, it makes the settings look like an own object
19:58	tenplus1	but it worked already... ? why change it now...
19:58	Krock	instead of C-type-like functions, that can't be put into namespaces
19:58	Krock	for style.
19:58	tenplus1	facepalm
19:58	Krock	see also the comment
20:00	kaeza	2018: net.minetest.timers.globalstep.register(function() end)
20:02	kaeza	still +1 for unifying the interface
20:07	Sokomine	hm :-( nobody seems to be intrested in my new mod :-(
20:07	tenplus1	which one ?
20:07	Sokomine	citybuilder
20:07	tenplus1	link me plz
20:08	Sokomine	atmittedly it's not in a state which would be of intrest to players...still needs mobs
20:08	Sokomine	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17584
20:09	Sokomine	not really useful for multiplayer. but at least somebody ought to be intrested...or is the amount of players intrested in that kind of gameplay too small?
20:09	Fixer	opened chat like 1000 times... no luck with crash, hmmm
20:09	Sokomine	fixer: any bug will lure in the background and crash your game once you don't expect it :-)
20:09	tenplus1	you've marked as early access so maybe they dont think it's complete enough to use
20:10	Fixer	Sokomine: got crash just now on nondebug build, yet my debug one sits for 4 days without luck
20:10	Fixer	somehow related to chat
20:10	Sokomine	probably. and that's true...someone who just wants to play it needs more (buildings, mobs)
20:10	Fixer	i've opened the full chat window, will see how it goes
20:10	Sokomine	Fixer: yes, that's annoying. sometimes debug builds seem to be more stable than normal ones
20:11	Fixer	Sokomine: probably I don't do enough actions to trigger it since it just afks on server with people and shows chat
20:13	Krock	kaeza, we don't want it like Terasology: https://github.com/MovingBlocks/Terasology/blob/48bf964/engine/src/main/java/org/terasology/particles/ParticleSystemManagerImpl.java
20:13	Krock	<kaeza>2018: net.minetest.timers.globalstep.register(function() end) ^
20:14	Sokomine	Fixer: well, if you're afk anyway it might not matter much if your client crashes...as long as it's not the server
20:14	Krock	(see namespace includes)
20:14	kaeza	>org.terasology.entitySystem.entity.lifecycleEvents.BeforeDeactivateComponent;
20:14	kaeza	lol Java
20:14	Fixer	Sokomine: it is client crash that i have, not server one
20:15	Sokomine	maybe a timeout? server throwing you out for inactivity and client not handling it properly?
20:16	Sokomine	tenplus1: anyway...there are so many mob mods out there. i wonder how far they got and which one will be most usable for that citybuilding purpose
20:16	Fixer	Sokomine: not a timeout
20:16	Fixer	Sokomine: just wanna type something into chat and it crashes at very same moment
20:17	tenplus1	true, many api's available, but am happy that many mob packs use MObs Redo :))))
20:19	Sokomine	Fixer: strange
20:19	Sokomine	tenplus1: :-)
20:20	Fixer	-ck, commented on wrong issue
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20:26	Calinou	mom, help I broke Phoronix https://lut.im/hdi3afCM2O/NMTGdDdVGmGRkGIA.png
20:26	tenplus1	lol
20:26	Calinou	this is the CSS that does it: https://hastebin.com/johevopezi.css
20:26	tenplus1	wonky page
20:27	paramat	citybuilder seems impressive
20:32	tenplus1	would be nice to have buildings generate on map :D
20:33	Fixer	Calinou: lol
20:33	Sokomine	ah :-) at least someone who seems to be intrested :-)
20:35	Sokomine	guess it really needs npc running around and doing tasks...and probably a diffrent style of buildings
20:42	tenplus1	schems can be build and placed in mod...
20:42	tenplus1	nite all :P
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20:44	paramat	well i'm not particularly interested in this sort of thing, but, what you have done seems complex and impressive :]
20:45	Sokomine	it's a lot more work behind the scenes than seems obvious. but right now it's more of a lib. and what players really love are mobs that run around. need to get those from somewhere :-)
21:04	Fixer	make this slabs texture rotation great again: https://i.imgur.com/SYUjsGN.png
21:23	Calinou	I love having introduced slopes to More Blocks
21:24	Calinou	now everyone builds curvy things
21:24	Calinou	I've seen people make actualy circles using it
21:24	Calinou	(it is kinda possible)
21:24	Fixer	yes
21:24	Fixer	people do use this a lot
21:26	Shara	Calinou: My current thing (when I actually have time to play) is building archways using those slopes :)
21:29	Fixer	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17593 KEK
21:40	Calinou	Shara: :D
21:40	Calinou	Fixer: can we call it the Doom 3 torch?
21:40	Calinou	if well-placed, turns your game into a clone of Doom 3
21:40	Fixer	Calinou: hah
21:40	Shara	Calinou: check from about 1:10 on here for the most recent arches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm5u1cT8kzg
21:41	Fixer	Calinou: actually Minetest up to 0.4.14 was Doom3-like
21:41	Shara	The slopes make a massive difference
21:42	Fixer	Calinou: i remember doom 3, electricity problems for sure
21:42	Fixer	played it
21:42	Fixer	finished it
21:43	Calinou	I never finished it
21:43	Calinou	I got about halfway through in Doom 3 BFG
21:43	Calinou	I remember the scene where you go to the restroom after the initial invasion
21:43	Fixer	lighter was useful weapon
21:43	Calinou	if you look at yourself at the mirror, you hear a scary sound and the screen turns red
21:43	Calinou	this should be a reaction GIF, lol
21:47	* Calinou	downloads Doom 3 BFG off Steam
21:48	Calinou	also Git cloning https://github.com/RobertBeckebans/RBDOOM-3-BFG
21:51	Fixer	desert sand here i go @ you are fucked
21:53	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/MIWJK4R.png Sadie Legacy
21:54	* Calinou	compiles RBDOOM-3-BFG
21:55	Calinou	done!
21:55	Calinou	this only took about 25 secondsâ€¦ wow
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21:58	Calinou	Fixer: what server is this?
21:58	Calinou	the log looks nice, also with timestamps
21:58	Calinou	(I love timestamps!)
21:58	Fixer	hometown
21:59	Calinou	what does that server feature?
21:59	Fixer	Calinou: CSM chat6
22:00	Fixer	FUUUUUUUUCK
22:00	Fixer	it was 20 particles most of the time, now it is 400
22:00	Sokomine	the slopes are definitely nice. i've seen a lot of impressive buildings using them and used them myshelf sometimes
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22:28	red-002	huh chat6 looks like
22:28	red-002	does it highlight you if you say something?
22:39	Sokomine	@red-002: why should it? guess you know when you're saying anything :-)
22:47	Fixer	red-002: yeah
22:47	Calinou	https://doomwiki.org/wiki/GZDoom
22:47	Calinou	GZDoom switched to GPLv3 like 15 days ago it seems
22:47	Calinou	pretty nice
22:54	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/wtB8zcL.png

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