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paramat |
how i feel (SFW) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/93/3c/aa/933caa58b91eee0c7f33bd91a9cb6e40.png |
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benrob0329 |
kaeza: do you use Gentoo? |
| 02:19 |
kaeza |
no, I use MSDOS 6.22 |
| 02:20 |
benrob0329 |
Kek |
| 02:20 |
kaeza |
also LUbuntu 16.04 |
| 02:21 |
benrob0329 |
ehh..id rather not use a *buntu |
| 02:21 |
kaeza |
why not? |
| 02:21 |
kaeza |
It Just Worksâ„¢ |
| 02:21 |
benrob0329 |
I mean they work, but its just not my taste with the way things are set up |
| 02:22 |
benrob0329 |
Some software is years out of date, for example |
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kaeza |
that much is true |
| 02:23 |
kaeza |
you can get a more recent version in some PPA somewhere, though |
| 02:23 |
benrob0329 |
Gentoo is like, the one distro I haven't at least tried to install |
| 02:23 |
kaeza |
most of the time |
| 02:23 |
benrob0329 |
Yes, but they aren't always guaranteed to work |
| 02:23 |
benrob0329 |
And can infect your whole system |
| 02:24 |
benrob0329 |
/break other ppas |
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benrob0329 |
ok, i was just convinced to use slackware |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 07:47 |
shivajiva |
morning tenplus1, hello everyone o/ |
| 07:47 |
tenplus1 |
hi shiva :P |
| 07:48 |
shivajiva |
read -dev logs yet? |
| 07:48 |
tenplus1 |
no, what happened ? |
| 07:49 |
tenplus1 |
I did read git and know that ppl have flipped and are now gonna enable TNT by default in singleplayer and networking, fire spread also... |
| 07:51 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, collisionbox changes not being reverted ?? |
| 07:53 |
shivajiva |
not sure really but paramat was berated whilst not present, it wasn't pretty, starting to wonder about this place |
| 07:54 |
tenplus1 |
thats why I talk in here... -dev doesnt have the same vibe about it |
| 07:54 |
tenplus1 |
havent got to the berating bit yet... am at 15:26 |
| 07:57 |
tenplus1 |
which day did it appear on ? am searching for your name and not finding it |
| 07:57 |
shivajiva |
reminded me of the school yard, not so much a discussion as a flex |
| 07:58 |
shivajiva |
oh my name isn't in the discussion |
| 07:58 |
shivajiva |
look for killbith |
| 07:58 |
tenplus1 |
woah, I just read something am kinda shocked at... "this fuzz about paramat" |
| 07:58 |
tenplus1 |
and the following lines ?!?!?! |
| 07:59 |
shivajiva |
ah you found it |
| 07:59 |
tenplus1 |
why is that in channel ? |
| 08:00 |
shivajiva |
I have no idea why |
| 08:00 |
tenplus1 |
o.O |
| 08:01 |
shivajiva |
not much respect round here unless your a coding god |
| 08:01 |
tenplus1 |
everyone has a part to play in Minetest's development, not just programmers |
| 08:02 |
tenplus1 |
mod makers and players themselves spot many things that are either buggy or could be better improved |
| 08:02 |
tenplus1 |
it's a community dammit!! why does anyone feel superior to anyone else here |
| 08:02 |
tenplus1 |
this is the one thing we use to excel over minecraft was the fact we were a great community |
| 08:04 |
shivajiva |
seems we have some structure missing and consensus |
| 08:07 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 has so many FOR than AGAINST, why is it not being pushed through as a wanted/needed option |
| 08:08 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 08:08 |
tenplus1 |
hi Cal |
| 08:08 |
shivajiva |
hi Cal :) |
| 08:09 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1694 |
| 08:12 |
shivajiva |
afaik sofar is vehemently against it as he pushed the tnt change due to this pr |
| 08:12 |
tenplus1 |
I'm all for protecting noob servers by default and having them change a setting to enable tnt and fire spreading IF REQUIRED |
| 08:14 |
shivajiva |
but kids might not be able to enable it apparently |
| 08:15 |
tenplus1 |
the settings button is there, the search file will let them type "tnt" or "fire" to simply double click and enable if wanted |
| 08:15 |
shivajiva |
they are expected to be able to disable it if required though |
| 08:16 |
shivajiva |
2 sides of the same blade but lets present the sharp edge |
| 08:16 |
tenplus1 |
it's a lot easier to enable 2 settings than it is to replace buildings blown up by griefers and replace a forest due to wildfire |
| 08:17 |
shivajiva |
doesn't take a genius to figure that one out but here we are... |
| 08:18 |
tenplus1 |
it's not that these server owners are being lazy, it's just better to protect it from the get go, and we know they wont read guides or wiki's by default unless there's an issue |
| 08:21 |
shivajiva |
agreed for some people it's their first server and they are on the steep part of the curve trying to take it all in and manage, fire grief is just an added bonus layered on top for them |
| 08:22 |
tenplus1 |
and more knowledged owners can easily turn these things on if wanted within seconds... |
| 08:22 |
shivajiva |
the action of enabling it means consequences |
| 08:23 |
shivajiva |
so there is a thought process |
| 08:23 |
shivajiva |
unlike the current setup |
| 08:23 |
tenplus1 |
yup yup +100 agree |
| 08:24 |
shivajiva |
that logic seems to have escaped common sense |
| 08:25 |
tenplus1 |
also I like the new setting to disable lava cooling :))) |
| 08:26 |
shivajiva |
yes :) |
| 08:26 |
Shara |
I really liked Calinou suggestion for the fire PR, but apparently MTG devs aren't even going to reply about it. |
| 08:26 |
tenplus1 |
hi Shara :P |
| 08:27 |
Shara |
sofar seemed to think the PR is not worth talking about more because they'll split MTG and maybe not work on MTG anymore after next version anyway. |
| 08:27 |
Shara |
Hi all :P |
| 08:28 |
tenplus1 |
if it helps in the here and now ready for 0.4.15 then add it, give players the features they want/need |
| 08:28 |
tenplus1 |
and THEN work on a better implementation for the next big release |
| 08:28 |
shivajiva |
^ |
| 08:29 |
Shara |
I actually regret opening it, since it might mean TNT changes too, and that would be bad |
| 08:29 |
Shara |
Server owners who don't follow everything like we do will update and suddenly their players have tnt |
| 08:30 |
shivajiva |
don't regret it Shara it's exposed a flaw in the process for us to scrutinise |
| 08:31 |
shivajiva |
not that we have any right to scrutinise as lowly server owners and modders |
| 08:31 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 08:33 |
shivajiva |
what can I say, that's how it feels sometimes |
| 08:34 |
tenplus1 |
we're all in this together, and like I said earlier... no-one is better than anyone else |
| 08:34 |
tenplus1 |
and shouldnt be made to feel that way |
| 08:34 |
Shara |
edited my comment there just now with more thoughts. |
| 08:34 |
tenplus1 |
the fire pull ? |
| 08:34 |
celeron55 |
i don't think any of this is as bad as some think, on neither side |
| 08:35 |
shivajiva |
Hi c55, was hoping you'd chip in |
| 08:35 |
tenplus1 |
hi celeron |
| 08:36 |
celeron55 |
hi 8) |
| 08:38 |
shivajiva |
what's your take on the events c55, I'd like to hear your perspective |
| 08:38 |
tenplus1 |
better description shara |
| 08:38 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 |
| 08:44 |
tenplus1 |
I wouldnt add a new setting at all andif possible remove the old 'disable_fire' setting completely and keep the current 'enable_fire' one |
| 08:44 |
tenplus1 |
if #1693 is added then this would be a lot easier to handle for all involved and would save a lot of grief and hassle |
| 08:45 |
Calinou |
btw, about player damage flash, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5739#issuecomment-300416455 |
| 08:45 |
Calinou |
it's a bit wonky but there's no bugs |
| 08:46 |
tenplus1 |
I've seen this bug on Xanadu... players hit many times turn white and it doesnt go away unless they sign out and back in again |
| 08:47 |
tenplus1 |
I removed the hit flash in mobs because it was annoying and would rather have knockback show physical hits instead of a flash |
| 08:49 |
Shara |
Got to go anyway. If anyone has thoughts, will check tonight |
| 08:49 |
tenplus1 |
laters |
| 08:55 |
celeron55 |
shivajiva: some people having a bad day, programmers being pedantic, mtg not knowing where it wants to go... it's all there |
| 08:56 |
CWz |
what control the distance that entities can be seen |
| 08:56 |
tenplus1 |
how easy would it be to allow players to disable mods inside a mt[game]... that way you could include a full game with minetest and let server owners disable what they dont need to a minimal base |
| 08:56 |
CWz |
which setting that is |
| 08:57 |
tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
| 08:58 |
tenplus1 |
active_block_range = 2 |
| 08:58 |
tenplus1 |
active_object_send_range_blocks = 2 |
| 08:58 |
celeron55 |
can subgame mods be disabled currently by enabling an empty mod of the same name? |
| 08:59 |
tenplus1 |
yes |
| 08:59 |
tenplus1 |
that's how I override default mods in Xanadu |
| 08:59 |
tenplus1 |
but having an option to disable builtin mods to leave a base game would save including a minimal version... and be a lot handier for server owners |
| 08:59 |
Zeno` |
tenplus1, just out of curiosity... do you use world/worldmods/ |
| 09:00 |
Zeno` |
or do you have mods in some other location and enable them using world.mt? |
| 09:00 |
tenplus1 |
no, I use mods folder |
| 09:00 |
Zeno` |
k |
| 09:00 |
celeron55 |
in any case of course an option to disable mods would be possible; of course depends on whether it's thought to be worth the complexity |
| 09:00 |
Zeno` |
that's fine... I was just wondering (personal survey hehehe) |
| 09:00 |
tenplus1 |
I have an empty folder for xpanes that stops default loading... |
| 09:01 |
tenplus1 |
needs an empty init.lua as well me thinks |
| 09:01 |
celeron55 |
(if there's no UI and nothing fancy, might be just tens of lines of code) |
| 09:03 |
shivajiva |
without the empty init.lua it won't load I suspect |
| 09:03 |
tenplus1 |
yeh, needs something to override with |
| 09:04 |
celeron55 |
that could be implemented on the game's side of course, like checking in every mod whether a setting like "minimal_base_game" is set and skipping the content if so |
| 09:04 |
celeron55 |
(every non-base mod) |
| 09:04 |
shivajiva |
Zeno: I use world/worldmods on remote and mods folder for local |
| 09:40 |
tenplus1 |
Question: Does having functions inside an entity make then run faster than external local functions ??? |
| 09:43 |
kaeza |
no |
| 09:43 |
tenplus1 |
thanks, and hi :) |
| 09:44 |
kaeza |
greetings, tenplus1 |
| 09:44 |
kaeza |
local functions are as fast as you get |
| 09:44 |
tenplus1 |
I take it when registering an entity any local functions it uses are copied inside the entity for use anyhoo? |
| 09:45 |
kaeza |
eh, what is "inside the entity" in this context? |
| 09:45 |
tenplus1 |
e.g. if I make a mob with it's on_punch pointing to a local function, it copies that function inside the entity to run... or does it call it locally every time ? |
| 09:54 |
tenplus1 |
lol, no worries... am just wondering if it uses more memory per entity if I include a function or use a local |
| 10:32 |
kaeza |
the memory use should be negligible |
| 10:32 |
tenplus1 |
:) |
| 10:33 |
kaeza |
and there's no difference in performance in your case |
| 10:33 |
tenplus1 |
thanks dude :P |
| 10:33 |
kaeza |
so just use whatever's more readable |
| 10:34 |
tenplus1 |
am always trying to find ways to increase performance vs memory usage |
| 10:34 |
kaeza |
start by not doing everything every damn step :P |
| 10:34 |
tenplus1 |
thankfully I have timers in there just for that :)))) |
| 10:35 |
kaeza |
you already do that, don't you? |
| 10:35 |
kaeza |
ah |
| 10:35 |
tenplus1 |
builtin_item has timers now which work really well :D |
| 10:47 |
tenplus1 |
github.com/tenplus1/builtin_item |
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tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
| 10:53 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 10:54 |
tenplus1 |
o.O am watching a youtube vid about ppl who still believe in a flat earth ?!?!?!?! seriously |
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tenplus1 |
h Jordach |
| 11:01 |
tenplus1 |
*hi |
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Jordach |
meow |
| 11:07 |
shivajiva |
seems it's a popular belief where people mistrust the state to tell them the truth |
| 11:08 |
tenplus1 |
its as if they simply throw science out of the window though... |
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tenplus1 |
hi Darcidride_ |
| 11:11 |
kaeza |
I believe in turtles |
| 11:11 |
kaeza |
and ponies |
| 11:12 |
shivajiva |
not spaghetti monsters? |
| 11:12 |
kaeza |
that too |
| 11:12 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 11:12 |
shivajiva |
=) |
| 11:16 |
Jordach |
lmfao |
| 11:16 |
Jordach |
so the Saints Row devs got bored and made another Saints Row game |
| 11:16 |
tenplus1 |
really ? |
| 11:16 |
Jordach |
that isn't part of the Saints Row line |
| 11:16 |
Jordach |
http://store.steampowered.com/app/304530/Agents_of_Mayhem/ |
| 11:16 |
tenplus1 |
gawd |
| 11:17 |
Jordach |
they really can't keep their fingers out of that jar |
| 11:18 |
tenplus1 |
back laters :) |
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Darcidride_ |
Hi tenplus1 and everybody |
| 11:47 |
shivajiva |
o/ |
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shivajiva |
knockback is running on skyblocks using tenplus1's code, if anyone wants to check it out feel free to ask for a kb stick, it's currently pushing you back ~7 nodes so it needs adjusting slightly |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 12:18 |
red-001 |
hi |
| 12:19 |
shivajiva |
o/ |
| 12:19 |
tenplus1 |
hi red :) shiva |
| 12:22 |
shivajiva |
I tried damage *3 on the velocity and got 7 nodes tenplus1 |
| 12:23 |
shivajiva |
just a little bit to much |
| 12:23 |
tenplus1 |
lol... I left it at x2... seems to work in playerplus with single.network changes |
| 12:24 |
shivajiva |
yea it's getting changed back to 2 |
| 12:24 |
tenplus1 |
latest version of flash plugin doesnt seem to work properly with FF... |
| 12:25 |
shivajiva |
FF is going downhill especially the windows version imo |
| 12:26 |
tenplus1 |
only reason I kept it was for gflash... if that dont work am moving to chromium |
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tenplus1 |
got it working... have a pappi->napi converter to run pepperflash in ff |
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tenplus1 |
hi nathan |
| 12:43 |
NathanS21 |
hi tenplus1 |
| 12:44 |
tenplus1 |
shivajiva: strangely pappi flash runs a lot smoother than napi flash ??!?! |
| 12:49 |
Calinou |
rip in pepperapi |
| 12:49 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 12:49 |
Calinou |
:D |
| 12:49 |
tenplus1 |
flash is losing ground to html5 |
| 12:53 |
Calinou |
yeah |
| 12:53 |
Calinou |
29% of people don't have Flash right now, and it is growing |
| 12:53 |
Calinou |
(on desktop, I think) |
| 12:53 |
Calinou |
often, Windows does not come with it anymore |
| 12:53 |
Calinou |
(that is, OEM installs) |
| 12:54 |
tenplus1 |
I mostly use it for games... any video formats quickly moved to vpn or html5 codecs |
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tenplus1 |
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/465949 <-- one of my favs |
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tenplus1 |
hi sniper |
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tenplus1 |
wb rubenwardy |
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CWz |
rip flash |
| 13:13 |
tenplus1 |
lol, hi CWz |
| 13:17 |
tenplus1 |
we need 'dis: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 |
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rubenwardy |
hi rubenwardy |
| 13:18 |
tenplus1 |
lol, didnt you see my wb rubenwardy :PPP |
| 13:18 |
rubenwardy |
oops |
| 13:18 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehehehe |
| 13:18 |
rubenwardy |
brain fart |
| 13:18 |
rubenwardy |
* hi tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
das ok, is one of those wednesdays |
| 13:19 |
rubenwardy |
I was going to type that, but I saw "rubenwardy" whilst typing |
| 13:19 |
tenplus1 |
can we add #1693 , #1731 and #1732 already |
| 13:20 |
tenplus1 |
:) |
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tenplus1 |
hi octacian |
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octacian |
hey tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
http://i.imgur.com/C1HaL9W.mp4 |
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benrob0329 |
Hello all |
| 14:07 |
tenplus1 |
hi benrob |
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benrob0329 |
tenplus1: that is what it feels like, isn't it? |
| 14:09 |
tenplus1 |
hi robbie |
| 14:09 |
benrob0329 |
Hi RobbieF |
| 14:09 |
tenplus1 |
ben ? |
| 14:09 |
RobbieF |
Hi benrob0329 and tenplus1! |
| 14:09 |
benrob0329 |
tenplus1: the gif you posted |
| 14:10 |
benrob0329 |
RobbieF: what's up? |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
oh themovie... ehehe, that was 40 mins ago... eheheh |
| 14:10 |
RobbieF |
mmm, not much. just working. Nothing overly exciting today. |
| 14:10 |
RobbieF |
you? |
| 14:11 |
benrob0329 |
Given up on FreeBSS |
| 14:11 |
benrob0329 |
*D |
| 14:11 |
tenplus1 |
aw, what happened ? |
| 14:11 |
benrob0329 |
Just...hmm... |
| 14:11 |
benrob0329 |
Many things |
| 14:11 |
benrob0329 |
Like, the nvidia driver wont let me switch ttys |
| 14:12 |
tenplus1 |
ouch, that one sucks |
| 14:12 |
tenplus1 |
dunno how many times I've used that |
| 14:12 |
benrob0329 |
If I do, it freaks out and shuts off the screen |
| 14:12 |
tenplus1 |
buuuuuUUUUUUu |
| 14:12 |
tenplus1 |
*shakes fist at FreeBSD* |
| 14:13 |
benrob0329 |
but its not even there fault |
| 14:13 |
benrob0329 |
The nvidia driver is proprietary |
| 14:13 |
tenplus1 |
did noveau work ? |
| 14:13 |
benrob0329 |
not ported :-( |
| 14:14 |
benrob0329 |
Only nv |
| 14:14 |
tenplus1 |
and nv is only 2d... damn! |
| 14:14 |
Calinou |
I think benrob0329 meant Nouveau |
| 14:14 |
Calinou |
or NVIDIA driver |
| 14:14 |
Calinou |
"nv" refers to an old, official and open source NVIDIA driver, but it did only 2D |
| 14:14 |
Calinou |
they deprecated it around 2012 officially, but it was unmaintained way before |
| 14:14 |
benrob0329 |
That is exactly what I mean Calinou |
| 14:14 |
benrob0329 |
nv |
| 14:15 |
tenplus1 |
driver support isnt that great for gfx in bsd... |
| 14:15 |
Calinou |
it's terrible |
| 14:15 |
Calinou |
only NVIDIA releases a driver |
| 14:15 |
Calinou |
the open source drivers are backported every 2 years or so |
| 14:15 |
Calinou |
then nobody cares about them |
| 14:15 |
benrob0329 |
but...official nvidia support |
| 14:16 |
benrob0329 |
And it still didn't work right |
| 14:16 |
benrob0329 |
Ttys at least |
| 14:16 |
tenplus1 |
I really wish that nvidia/ati would work on the hardware and have open-0source drivers for linux |
| 14:16 |
Calinou |
AMD has official-ish open source drivers now |
| 14:16 |
Calinou |
but NVIDIA will never do that |
| 14:16 |
benrob0329 |
I get 60 fps in mt though |
| 14:16 |
benrob0329 |
AMD had stuff merged into mesa |
| 14:17 |
benrob0329 |
So yeah...amd is trying to save the company I feel |
| 14:17 |
tenplus1 |
the open-source radeon/ati driver is a lot better than nvidia's own os one |
| 14:17 |
benrob0329 |
Anyways |
| 14:18 |
Calinou |
AMD's hardware is technically worse, so they have to find other things |
| 14:18 |
Calinou |
(it's been proven many times) |
| 14:18 |
Calinou |
(even back in the Kepler era, this was true) |
| 14:18 |
benrob0329 |
Someone told me that Slackware was good, and the most Unix like out of any distro |
| 14:18 |
Calinou |
tenplus1: NVIDIA has no official open source driver, Nouveau is entirely unofficial |
| 14:18 |
Calinou |
the only patches/documentation NVIDIA did or provided were for ARM devboards |
| 14:18 |
Calinou |
never for consumer GPUs |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, it works but a little glitchy |
| 14:18 |
Calinou |
they also don't release the firmware of latest GPUs, so there's no 3D acceleration on them, or no reclocking |
| 14:19 |
Calinou |
(probably intentionally) |
| 14:19 |
Calinou |
(you need signed firmware as of Maxwell 2° |
| 14:19 |
tenplus1 |
noveau has 3d accel and clock settings |
| 14:19 |
Calinou |
you can't reclock all GPUs yet |
| 14:20 |
benrob0329 |
Funnily enough, Blender Cycles via AMD OpenCL was running faster than Nvidia in dev I heard |
| 14:20 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe nice |
| 14:20 |
Calinou |
there's no GPU where reclocking is enabled and automatic out of the box right now, IIRC |
| 14:20 |
Calinou |
Pascal has no reclocking at all whatosever, even on a Git kernel |
| 14:20 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: NVIDIA cripples OpenCL speed, not sure if it's done in software or hardware |
| 14:20 |
Calinou |
so that CUDA is always faster, it'll be faster than AMD OpenCL in most cases |
| 14:21 |
benrob0329 |
no like, amd opencl got a huge boost |
| 14:21 |
benrob0329 |
In cycles |
| 14:21 |
benrob0329 |
But yeah, that's just sad |
| 14:23 |
benrob0329 |
I think I agree with Linus Torvalds when it comes to nvidia |
| 14:23 |
tenplus1 |
make it open source ? |
| 14:23 |
tenplus1 |
or his famous "F*** Nvidia" quote ? |
| 14:23 |
benrob0329 |
"Nvidia, f$*@ you." |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
hmm, DuckDuckGo is fooling with me |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
had to disable safe search to get images |
| 14:27 |
Calinou |
http://osworld.pl/wp-content/uploads/Linus-Torvalds-nvidia-fuck-you.jpg |
| 14:27 |
benrob0329 |
Omw I just got the best quote of the week |
| 14:28 |
benrob0329 |
"f**k, accidently put startx in my .xinitrc" |
| 14:28 |
benrob0329 |
Censoring by me, to.make it sfw |
| 14:29 |
Calinou |
swearing is not necessarily not safe for work :P |
| 14:31 |
benrob0329 |
true |
| 14:47 |
Calinou |
<Calinou> Use the Best: Linux for Servers, Mac for Graphics, Windows for Solitaire |
| 14:47 |
Calinou |
:D |
| 14:47 |
tenplus1 |
ahahhaaha |
| 14:49 |
RobbieF |
NEMS 1.2 is now available via bittorrent, if anyone would like to seed to support the project - http://baldnerd.com/nems/#download |
| 14:49 |
Calinou |
hi RobbieF |
| 14:50 |
RobbieF |
Hey Calinou! How you been? |
| 14:50 |
Calinou |
not sure if I can seed stuff off my VPS, last time I did it, I got my VPS suspended after ~5 weeks because of high load average |
| 14:50 |
Calinou |
(but I got it unsuspended without fee) |
| 14:50 |
Calinou |
my VPS could seed at 5 MB/s or so 24/7 though |
| 14:50 |
RobbieF |
load average was high from a torrent?! |
| 14:50 |
Calinou |
having many torrents active causes tons of IO |
| 14:51 |
Calinou |
at least when I used rtorrent + ruTorrent |
| 14:51 |
RobbieF |
ouch |
| 14:51 |
RobbieF |
:p |
| 14:51 |
tenplus1 |
unless you use Qbittorrent... has a memory cache for download.seeding :DDD |
| 14:51 |
Calinou |
if it's just a few it might be ok |
| 14:51 |
Calinou |
tenplus1: this is a server, so no qBittorrent |
| 14:51 |
Calinou |
I'm aware it has a CLI mode and web interface, but it's meh |
| 14:51 |
tenplus1 |
buuuuuuuuuu |
| 14:51 |
Calinou |
ruTorrent is far better |
| 14:51 |
RobbieF |
well, this torrent should be pretty lightweight if you'd like to try. Feel free to throttle it. It's really just to have some redundancy out there in case my seed goes down for some reason |
| 14:51 |
RobbieF |
I'm seeding via Transmission-CLI |
| 14:51 |
Calinou |
https://github.com/Novik/ruTorrent |
| 14:51 |
RobbieF |
:D |
| 14:52 |
benrob0329 |
RobbieF: what is nems? |
| 14:52 |
Calinou |
Japanese food? :P |
| 14:52 |
RobbieF |
Nagios for Raspberry Pi |
| 14:52 |
RobbieF |
drop in, ready to run out of the box |
| 14:52 |
RobbieF |
^^ benrob0329 |
| 14:52 |
tenplus1 |
isnt rutorrent a pain to setup tho, and no blocklist |
| 14:52 |
benrob0329 |
Ah...I have no idea what that it :P |
| 14:53 |
benrob0329 |
*is |
| 14:53 |
RobbieF |
A system that monitors all your network assets. For example, if a hard drive is failing in one of your computers, or there's high CPU load on another, it'll warn you. |
| 14:53 |
tenplus1 |
good for when you arent around :PP |
| 14:53 |
RobbieF |
commonly used in enterprise networks, but a beast to set up. So I did all the work and released it as a ready-to-use appliance for free. |
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tenplus1 |
wb fixer |
| 14:54 |
Fixer |
ty |
| 14:54 |
benrob0329 |
RobbieF: ah, that's pretty neat |
| 14:55 |
benrob0329 |
Hi Fixer |
| 14:56 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 15:01 |
RobbieF |
thanks benrob0329 |
| 15:01 |
RobbieF |
It really is an awesome project. I'm glad to be doing it and offering something so needed to the community. |
| 15:08 |
Fixer |
finally |
| 15:08 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
MC modded start up time is abysmal |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
how long ? |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
FTB beyond + optifine |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
like 3-5 minutes... or so |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
mem usage: 5 gb |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
erk, that's bad for a full payable game |
| 15:09 |
* tenplus1 |
will stick with Minetest |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
5.5gb* |
| 15:10 |
Fixer |
4gb is minimum recommended just for game |
| 15:11 |
tenplus1 |
no wonder my net-top almost died when I ran the demo |
| 15:11 |
Fixer |
ftb beyond runs much better than foolcraft on my pc |
| 15:42 |
garywhite |
net-top? |
| 15:42 |
tenplus1 |
hi gary |
| 15:42 |
garywhite |
hi |
| 15:43 |
tenplus1 |
http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2010/09/acer-aspire-revo-ars3700-02.jpg |
| 15:43 |
garywhite |
Ah, I see. |
| 15:48 |
tenplus1 |
that's my everyday computer :) love it |
| 16:15 |
Jordach_ |
Fixer, FoamFix |
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Sokomine |
hi. disabling smooth lighting does seem to leave me with nodes that are nodeboxes in black... |
| 16:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi Sokomine |
| 16:22 |
tenplus1 |
which one's ? |
| 16:22 |
Sokomine |
fixer: even the normal mc doesn't really run on my machine. at least the last time i tried |
| 16:22 |
Fixer |
Jordach_: it is included |
| 16:22 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: dinosaur era PC |
| 16:23 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: no. just no extra graphics card. memory would not be the problem |
| 16:23 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: you need extra graphics card |
| 16:23 |
tenplus1 |
mc is quite heavy in resources |
| 16:28 |
Jordach_ |
Fixer, run it again |
| 16:28 |
Jordach_ |
FoamFix builds a cache to speed up loading dramatically |
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Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 16:46 |
tenplus1 |
hey Krock, how's things :) |
| 16:46 |
Krock |
all ok :) |
| 16:47 |
tenplus1 |
kewl... |
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tenplus1 |
* Krock Clone Alert!! * |
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| 17:03 |
Krock |
clone removed |
| 17:03 |
tenplus1 |
can we get your john hancock on this krock: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 |
| 17:03 |
tenplus1 |
oh wait... my bad, you posted neutral... never noticed that one... ehe |
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| 17:25 |
Shara |
Hi all |
| 17:26 |
tenplus1 |
hi Shara |
| 17:27 |
benrob0329 |
hi Shara |
| 17:33 |
tenplus1 |
wb benrob |
| 17:38 |
benrob0329 |
I've been here for a while, I have a weechat server |
| 17:39 |
tenplus1 |
weechat sounds cute :P |
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| 17:53 |
tenplus1 |
hi ssieb |
| 17:54 |
ssieb |
hi |
| 17:55 |
Shara |
Hello ssieb |
| 17:56 |
benrob0329 |
Updated my bios, system is much happier now |
| 17:57 |
tenplus1 |
nice :P |
| 17:57 |
tenplus1 |
dunno if they even support my mobo anymore :P |
| 17:59 |
benrob0329 |
Yeah, my whole system started acting wierd |
| 17:59 |
tenplus1 |
what Os were you using at the time ? |
| 17:59 |
benrob0329 |
couldn't get into efi config without resetting the cmos |
| 18:00 |
benrob0329 |
Things are working much better now though :-) |
| 18:00 |
tenplus1 |
owwie... I dont like efi, too much hassle |
| 18:00 |
benrob0329 |
Its not bad actually |
| 18:00 |
tenplus1 |
am reading about the new Windows 10 S update... sounds like a nightmare |
| 18:01 |
benrob0329 |
Make a fat32 partition, install grub |
| 18:01 |
benrob0329 |
Point grub to init image |
| 18:07 |
tenplus1 |
damn, Win10S will only let you install software from it's own app store, and uses Bing everywhere |
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| 18:07 |
tenplus1 |
wb Krock |
| 18:08 |
Krock |
ty |
| 18:08 |
tenplus1 |
*shudder* that update sounds like disaster waiting to happen |
| 18:08 |
Krock |
so.. my USB wireless drive is now completely wiped |
| 18:08 |
tenplus1 |
on purpose or it just happened ? |
| 18:08 |
benrob0329 |
Is that good or bad? |
| 18:09 |
Krock |
good that I know that it wasn't the internet being crap, bad that I won't be use it anymore |
| 18:09 |
Krock |
it kept overheating |
| 18:09 |
tenplus1 |
??? |
| 18:09 |
Krock |
most likely desoldered itself a bit |
| 18:10 |
Krock |
at least it worked for about 6 years :) |
| 18:10 |
tenplus1 |
least you got it's worth |
| 18:11 |
Krock |
indeed. using my wireless PCI card now. had to steal it from another computer case |
| 18:11 |
Krock |
and if this one fails, I'll still have the one from my RPI :3 |
| 18:12 |
Krock |
so, internet worst-case plans are there |
| 18:12 |
tenplus1 |
dont worry, they sell N standard usb wireless dongles at the pound stores :) |
| 18:12 |
Krock |
I know, they're very cheap. Will look out for a new one soon :) |
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| 18:14 |
tenplus1 |
hi nrz |
| 18:14 |
nerzhul |
hi |
| 18:15 |
nerzhul |
private meta are now merged, please update your mods to use it and make more private data :) |
| 18:15 |
tenplus1 |
what's the diff ? |
| 18:19 |
Krock |
these meta fields aren't sent to the clients |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
i.e. allows creating secret keys in meta without leaking data |
| 18:20 |
tenplus1 |
ahh, so only server can read the contents... gotcha |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
exactly |
| 18:28 |
* tenplus1 |
orders another sodimm for his net-top to bring it up to 4gb :D |
| 18:39 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: sodimm? hmmm, feels 199X |
| 18:39 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe, sadly it can only take 2x 2gb sodimm's so I kinda felt like I needed to add another |
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| 19:35 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1694 |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
would a few of the devs kindly check those pulls... they need to be agree'd on |
| 19:46 |
tenplus1 |
http://bcdn.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/venn.jpg |
| 19:56 |
Sokomine |
Fixer: don't want extra graphics card. it would increase noise and power consumption. i better stick with mt - that works fine on my machine :-) |
| 19:56 |
tenplus1 |
+100 |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: i can only imagine how it works... |
| 19:57 |
Shara |
I'd just be happy with actual answers to questions asked about the PR. |
| 19:58 |
Shara |
But instead of looking at a way to make everyone happy... |
| 20:01 |
tenplus1 |
http://bcdn.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/memories.jpg |
| 20:02 |
Shara |
heh |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
:) |
| 20:05 |
tenplus1 |
http://bcdn.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vader-gates.jpg |
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| 20:19 |
benrob0329 |
Why can't people have A) clear documentation or B) a straight foreword instal process |
| 20:19 |
benrob0329 |
Like, I don't know the ins and outs of your system |
| 20:19 |
benrob0329 |
How am I supposed to know when to do __ if its not stated anywhere? |
| 20:19 |
tenplus1 |
most ppl dont read the docs so an install with optimized settings to protect user is best option |
| 20:20 |
tenplus1 |
also, would be nice if craftguide was included in default in some form |
| 20:20 |
Shara |
benrob0329: Based on when I used to work on creating software documentation - it's because they give the writer ten minutes to look at the software which is being used by someone else, and then there is no one you can ask questions of after that :D |
| 20:21 |
Shara |
either that, or because they outsource the task to someone who can't really handle english, never mind technical documentation. |
| 20:21 |
benrob0329 |
Im trying to install slackware, and whilst the install should have gone smoothly |
| 20:22 |
benrob0329 |
except the uefi documentation is about as slacking as the package manager |
| 20:22 |
tenplus1 |
erk... |
| 20:22 |
benrob0329 |
Efi isn't hard, you just have to tell me how you have the setup progran setup! |
| 20:22 |
tenplus1 |
that's why I prefer an ubuntu-based distro cause ubiquity handles many things for you |
| 20:23 |
benrob0329 |
Arch is easier than some of the nonsense I've seen lately |
| 20:23 |
benrob0329 |
Granted, arch isn't hard |
| 20:26 |
ssieb |
Fedora! |
| 20:27 |
tenplus1 |
lol, tried it... didnt like it so much |
| 20:27 |
benrob0329 |
Fedora...its not bad |
| 20:27 |
benrob0329 |
But its not great eithet |
| 20:27 |
benrob0329 |
*r |
| 20:27 |
tenplus1 |
I do however like that they have gone wayland :D |
| 20:28 |
benrob0329 |
Wayland has been available in Arch and Gentoo for a while now, so they are not the only distro to have done so |
| 20:28 |
benrob0329 |
Perhaps I should go with Gentoo, as the documentation seems superb |
| 20:29 |
benrob0329 |
And it'll teach me more about the system |
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benrob0329 |
red++ |
| 21:19 |
tenplus1 |
nite all |
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| 21:25 |
Fixer |
PROCRASTINATION |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
i have problems with designing my base |
| 21:26 |
nerzhul |
database N |
| 21:27 |
Fixer |
current situation: https://i.imgur.com/Ap6SqlK.jpg |
| 21:28 |
Fixer |
will add fountain, mini footbal field/or tennis field, few places for viewing |
| 21:29 |
Fixer |
mini lake |
| 21:29 |
Fixer |
fucking great idea |
| 21:30 |
Fixer |
i'm afking with my idle acc with debug on server, still no crash that i really want to catch before release |
| 21:30 |
nerzhul |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5719 is nice no ? vote vote :D |
| 21:31 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: it does look nice |
| 21:32 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: less debuggy feel |
| 21:32 |
Fixer |
which is good |
| 21:32 |
nerzhul |
Fixer, yeah :D |
| 21:32 |
Fixer |
less alpha feel** :trollface: |
| 21:35 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/aJfnqC7.png |
| 21:35 |
Fixer |
not sure if troll |
| 21:35 |
benrob0329 |
nerzhul: I +1ed it :-) |
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