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| 01:07 |
Shara |
Think I have the change for fire working, but I'll look at it again tomorrow before making the PR. |
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octacian |
Night all |
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| 07:20 |
Dumbeldor |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M77hIOd0kf8&feature=youtu.be |
| 07:20 |
Dumbeldor |
:) |
| 07:24 |
sofar |
knockback? |
| 07:24 |
sofar |
csm or? |
| 07:26 |
Dumbeldor |
Develop server-side |
| 07:27 |
sofar |
is it an API that can be modified? e.g. larger knockback or disabled? |
| 07:35 |
nrzkt |
sofar: it seems it's the early stage, but seems interesting, i think Dumbeldor you should add an argument to punch (in lua and cpp) to define the powerness of the punch |
| 07:36 |
sofar |
toolcap? |
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| 08:36 |
Krock |
o/ |
| 08:38 |
nrzkt |
hi Krock |
| 08:39 |
Krock |
hello nrzkt |
| 08:39 |
red-001 |
hello |
| 09:02 |
Krock |
red-001, for you as a modder: what do you think about nodes that can reduce or increase the damage tolerance when a player collides with them? |
| 09:03 |
Krock |
currently only would affect fall damage |
| 09:03 |
sfan5 |
just add it |
| 09:04 |
Krock |
lol |
| 09:04 |
sfan5 |
even if you can't think of anything modders will find use for it |
| 09:04 |
Krock |
okay then ^^ |
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| 09:34 |
Krock |
lolwhat. regular gravity is handled two times in clientenvironment and once in collion that makes it result in regular gravity |
| 09:35 |
Krock |
but my calculations still show that there's somewhere a factor of 2 hidden |
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Krock |
o/ Fixer |
| 10:15 |
Fixer |
hi |
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Jordach |
Fixer, http://i.imgur.com/IHqXx55.jpg |
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| 12:53 |
* Megaf |
searches for tenplus11 |
| 12:53 |
Megaf |
404 |
| 12:53 |
* Megaf |
looks at Shara |
| 12:53 |
Megaf |
403 |
| 12:53 |
Jordach |
you mean tenplus394 |
| 12:53 |
* Megaf |
refreshes |
| 12:53 |
Megaf |
503 |
| 12:54 |
Megaf |
Jordach, I mean, |
| 12:54 |
* Megaf |
crashes |
| 12:54 |
Megaf |
...Rebooting |
| 12:55 |
* Megaf |
waits |
| 12:55 |
Megaf |
HI everyone, good morning |
| 12:59 |
Jordach |
>2 PM UTC+0 |
| 12:59 |
Jordach |
megaf pls |
| 13:00 |
red-001 |
lol |
| 13:11 |
Megaf |
Jordach, G'Day sir. |
| 13:12 |
Megaf |
I found a new way of calling 10+1. Because I used 11 too much already. |
| 13:12 |
Megaf |
So I need him here |
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| 13:16 |
Megaf |
My battery is at 4%, he better come soon |
| 13:18 |
Megaf |
And this channel is growing |
| 13:19 |
Megaf |
!tell Megaf this is a test |
| 13:19 |
ShadowBot |
Megaf: O.K. |
| 13:20 |
Megaf |
!tell tenplus1 Hello onety-one, what's up? |
| 13:20 |
ShadowBot |
Megaf: O.K. |
| 13:20 |
* Megaf |
quietly runs out of battery |
| 13:23 |
rubenwardy |
oh, lol |
| 13:23 |
rubenwardy |
https://minetest.org/ |
| 13:24 |
rubenwardy |
Interest has been expressed in the issue of the MT trademark. (...) One core dev, in particular, has been aggressive. So, decisions that don't go through the core devs, and the core devs alone, are considered to be inappropriate. Or, to use Andrew's logic, “dick-ishâ€. |
| 13:25 |
rubenwardy |
referring to me by my real firstname |
| 13:25 |
rubenwardy |
I'm so terrified /s |
| 13:25 |
rubenwardy |
<rubenwardy> Your years of contribution change the fact that you're being a dick |
| 13:26 |
rubenwardy |
<rubenwardy> (...) trying to do a hostile takeover (ie: registering trademarks) is being a dick |
| 13:27 |
Calinou |
I knew that this guy was a complete joke when I first saw him, in 2012 |
| 13:27 |
rubenwardy |
He's just so irration |
| 13:27 |
rubenwardy |
*irrational |
| 13:27 |
Calinou |
sometimes, making assumptions about people is a good thing :P |
| 13:28 |
rubenwardy |
anyone talking against him "needs to grow up" and "is dog piling" him |
| 13:33 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy: in fact he missed just law, minetest is owned by its core contributors, then he failed :) |
| 13:33 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 13:34 |
nerzhul |
best is just to ignore him, for the .org maybe we should take the DNS domain name by any meaning as he just do bad propaganda to project |
| 13:34 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest is the source code and intellectual property, predominantly owned by c55. The source code is also partially owned by other contributors |
| 13:34 |
rubenwardy |
the Minetest community is separate legally |
| 13:36 |
rubenwardy |
my point is that even if he spoke on behalf of the community (which he has no right to) he still doesn't have a claim |
| 13:45 |
VanessaE |
I don't like to disparage anyone, but OC's attitude lately has been beyond "disappointing". |
| 13:47 |
Jordach |
it seems like i might have to end up doing MT full time again |
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| 13:52 |
Jordach |
hello jp_ |
| 13:52 |
kilbith |
heyo |
| 13:59 |
Zeno` |
[on] tl;dr minetest has no community management and project management |
| 13:59 |
Zeno` |
heh |
| 14:00 |
nerzhul |
yohe |
| 14:00 |
shivajiva |
he doesn't have a claim other than in his mind, somewhere he is never wrong, so any discussion seems futile and servers to justify his actions it seems :/ |
| 14:00 |
shivajiva |
*serves |
| 14:01 |
Fixer |
i'm disappointed on how this ended, it should not be like that imp |
| 14:01 |
Fixer |
imp=imo |
| 14:02 |
Fixer |
if thats about sneak, sneak will be readded in some way as classical move code or smth |
| 14:02 |
shivajiva |
it's clearly not about sneak, that was a trigger |
| 14:04 |
shivajiva |
seems to be about what 5 years earns you in terms of respect and ownership |
| 14:05 |
rubenwardy |
this isn't rent-to-buy |
| 14:05 |
VanessaE |
as I said before, the rest of us as a team have all the claim there is on the name. |
| 14:05 |
shivajiva |
rubenwardy: ikr |
| 14:05 |
VanessaE |
every one of us here who has contributed to the engine or mt_game has a stake in this fight (though some moreso that others, of course) |
| 14:06 |
Jordach |
wat |
| 14:06 |
* Jordach |
resizes Winamp 5.x |
| 14:06 |
* Jordach |
noticed windows 9x window rescaling in action |
| 14:09 |
Fixer |
Jordach: you can still have that in newer windows |
| 14:09 |
Fixer |
somewhere in options iirc |
| 14:09 |
Jordach |
Fixer, moreover; in windows 10, the 9X style UI is entirely removed |
| 14:09 |
Jordach |
including it's asscociated libraries |
| 14:09 |
Fixer |
Jordach: not quite, there are hacks to make it classic again, at least for 8 |
| 14:10 |
Jordach |
Fixer, far more difficult on W10 |
| 14:10 |
rubenwardy |
what's 9x window rescaling? |
| 14:10 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, the window rescales when you stop dragging |
| 14:11 |
rubenwardy |
as in, it only actually rescales when you stop dragging an edge, or it rescales if you move the window to the edge of the screen? |
| 14:11 |
Jordach |
>it only actually rescales when you stop dragging an edge |
| 14:11 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, that would be very odd |
| 14:11 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: it draws just border and rescales window after mouse release |
| 14:11 |
rubenwardy |
but removing the latter would also be odd |
| 14:11 |
rubenwardy |
ah, ok |
| 14:12 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, the 9x ui is entirely gone now |
| 14:12 |
Jordach |
Winamp 5.x seems to have a library that contains part of it |
| 14:12 |
Fixer |
Jordach: how do even get winxp theme on shit10? |
| 14:12 |
Jordach |
Fixer, patched UXThemes |
| 14:13 |
Fixer |
Jordach: it does not accept win2k classic theme? |
| 14:13 |
Jordach |
nope |
| 14:13 |
Fixer |
too bad |
| 14:13 |
Fixer |
rip windows |
| 14:14 |
Jordach |
Server 2016 appears to contain it |
| 14:14 |
Jordach |
but even then, that's emergency support of there isn't an IGP |
| 14:14 |
Fixer |
Jordach: some russian did that with w8 https://i.stack.imgur.com/iICV9.png |
| 14:14 |
Jordach |
Fixer, it was partially removed in 8.x |
| 14:15 |
Jordach |
10.x removed it with the improved CMD terminal |
| 14:16 |
Fixer |
and this looks like total pooop http://img15.deviantart.net/fc21/i/2015/254/e/5/classic_on_windows_10_build_10532_by_kizo2703-d9961wh.png |
| 14:17 |
* Fixer |
pukes in his soup |
| 14:17 |
Jordach |
Fixer, likewise, it's entirely gone |
| 14:17 |
Jordach |
(in tl;dr you don't need it as most modern devices contain a reasonable DX9 compatible IGP) |
| 14:17 |
Fixer |
fuck it anyway, i'm staying on win7 up to 202X for sure |
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| 14:18 |
Fixer |
i have dx11 card, it is not a problem |
| 14:19 |
Fixer |
there is hope http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=113024 http://winclassic.boards.net/ |
| 14:20 |
shivajiva |
wow windows got ugly since I abandoned it xD |
| 14:20 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 14:21 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: it started since XP |
| 14:21 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: but xp, vista, 7 at least had a classic theme available |
| 14:21 |
shivajiva |
yea I managed all the way to 7 before I bailed |
| 14:22 |
Fixer |
only thing that will get me to win10 is uncrapified version of it, with all BS removed, without telemetry, forced updates and classic theme (if possible) |
| 14:22 |
Fixer |
i will think about it like somewhere in mid 202X |
| 14:22 |
Fixer |
that will be of course hacked enterprise version |
| 14:22 |
Jordach |
Fixer, consider W10 Pro |
| 14:23 |
Fixer |
Jordach: W10 Enterprise will all crap removed |
| 14:23 |
Jordach |
(i use it with various lobotomising features) |
| 14:23 |
Jordach |
Fixer, read; legitimate pro x64 key |
| 14:23 |
Fixer |
Jordach: pro still has telemetry and forced updates |
| 14:23 |
Fixer |
Jordach: nobody in their minds here buys windows |
| 14:23 |
Jordach |
>not filitered out by ASUS router firewall |
| 14:23 |
shivajiva |
users have been throwing the crap out since XP anyway so I presume that will never end |
| 14:23 |
Fixer |
thats shitty workarounds |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: i don't remember throwing away much crap in Win7 apart from deregistering uxgame.dll thing due to decades old bug ms won't fix |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
i remember in win xp for sure |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
now it seems w10 is back to sex times |
| 14:24 |
Fixer |
sex with os |
| 14:25 |
Fixer |
decrapifying os |
| 14:25 |
Fixer |
tweaks and all that crap again |
| 14:25 |
Fixer |
fighting with ms |
| 14:25 |
Fixer |
telemetry is a red line |
| 14:26 |
Jordach |
Fixer, i wouldn't worry about it |
| 14:26 |
Fixer |
what is worrying is insistence of ms about telemetry and selling your data |
| 14:26 |
Jordach |
Fixer, the tech bubble is bursting again in a few years |
| 14:27 |
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| 14:27 |
Jordach |
people won't want Windows or OS X |
| 14:27 |
Fixer |
Jordach: for sure, I'm amazed when looking at valuation of US tech companies, it is enormous, even shit like twitter |
| 14:27 |
Jordach |
Fixer, tl;dr Linux will get it's year |
| 14:27 |
Fixer |
it has huge valuation just on investor perception but thats total bullshit |
| 14:27 |
shivajiva |
Fixer: true enough, all I seemed to do was install endless .net framework updates in 7 |
| 14:28 |
Fixer |
enterprise must have a proper revenue and such, not just bunch of assholes with shares |
| 14:28 |
Jordach |
Fixer, there's a reason why meshnets will eventually become the norm |
| 14:28 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: it seems to die down a lot |
| 14:28 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: have not received such updates for a long time |
| 14:29 |
Fixer |
also, my win7 clone is 2015-12-23, thats a bit outdated, time to prepare for next clone, for fast restore, just in case |
| 14:29 |
Fixer |
nobody in their mind will use windows update on win7 |
| 14:29 |
Fixer |
it is huge mess |
| 14:30 |
Fixer |
you need literally many hours to update win7sp1 to newest state, or use that rollout package (but it has telemetry included), there is other option to merge updates into ISO itself, or predownload them via special tool |
| 14:30 |
Fixer |
i go with cloning anyway |
| 14:31 |
Fixer |
10 minutes and system is back to normal in case of emergancy |
| 14:31 |
Fixer |
size of clone is about 30 gig |
| 14:31 |
Fixer |
using clonezilla |
| 14:36 |
Jordach |
Fixer, linux will be a standard OS in a few years once people realise that W10 and OS X are two sides of the same shit coin |
| 14:36 |
Jordach |
think NOOBS for RPI but for choosing DE, etc |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
Jordach: doubt it |
| 14:37 |
Jordach |
Fixer, think about it |
| 14:37 |
Jordach |
since Vulkan, DX12 is useless |
| 14:37 |
Jordach |
there will be a revolution soon |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
Jordach: if your business infrastructure in cloud - you can pretty much nuke windows |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
sorry for cloud |
| 14:37 |
Fixer |
i mean hosted on server |
| 14:37 |
Jordach |
Fixer, and that is the case *now* |
| 14:38 |
Fixer |
yep |
| 14:38 |
Fixer |
no need to deal with this bullshit |
| 14:38 |
Jordach |
FOSS projects like owncloud, LibOff, etc will likely become standard globally like ASCII email |
| 14:38 |
Fixer |
Jordach: read how MS is forcing IT departments to suck their dick with mindless updating windows version, big race of updates in sake of updates, no other options, just suck it or else |
| 14:39 |
Fixer |
IT departments must be prepared for BLABLAWin10blabla |
| 14:39 |
Jordach |
Fixer, tl;dr IT departments are already hating MS for making imaging W10 practically illegal |
| 14:39 |
Fixer |
i'm not MS personal army |
| 14:39 |
Fixer |
who cares about fucking MS |
| 14:39 |
Jordach |
it won't be long before some form of Debian or Arch becomes standard |
| 14:39 |
Fixer |
we had Win98SE at work like year ago |
| 14:39 |
Fixer |
and it was pirated ofc because fuck microsoft anyway |
| 14:40 |
Fixer |
and it worked, office duties and such |
| 14:40 |
Fixer |
no hipster bullshit that breaks after 1 year of use |
| 14:40 |
Jordach |
Fixer, it's likely a Linux desktop and DE will become standard soonish |
| 14:41 |
Jordach |
that checks the boxes for a normal person unlike W10 |
| 14:41 |
Fixer |
Jordach: still doubt it |
| 14:41 |
Jordach |
Fixer, no ads, no spyware etc |
| 14:41 |
Jordach |
it needs a NOOBS like installation system |
| 14:41 |
Fixer |
Jordach: windows is much OEM, people are reluctant to moove |
| 14:41 |
Fixer |
to really make them move to other OS you need to be total dick |
| 14:41 |
Fixer |
megadick |
| 14:41 |
Jordach |
Fixer, my laptop manufacturer (HP) provided my laptop with the latest LTS of Ubuntu |
| 14:42 |
Fixer |
like not only telemetry but FULL ADS, FULL DATA ACCESS and sale, per month pay |
| 14:42 |
Fixer |
Jordach: and we have laptops with freedos ;) |
| 14:42 |
Fixer |
to install any os you like |
| 14:42 |
Jordach |
freedos is fine if you're doing basic stuff |
| 14:43 |
Fixer |
nah, everyone just installs pirated w7 on it |
| 14:43 |
Jordach |
Fixer, eventually IT will just be a Linux DE (skinned to look like 95/98) with standard toolkits |
| 14:43 |
Jordach |
and that;s all people ever need |
| 14:43 |
Jordach |
if you want games steam already supports linux |
| 14:44 |
Jordach |
(and does the legwork of installing the needed libraries through the package manager too) |
| 14:44 |
Fixer |
i still remember win7/8/10 epic printing fail bug, thats "enterprise" O/S for you |
| 14:44 |
Fixer |
and os checking for updates for hours using 1 core |
| 14:44 |
Fixer |
"enterprise" |
| 14:44 |
Fixer |
"stable" |
| 14:45 |
Fixer |
ms tried to fix that bug for years, and it is not even funny anymore, sad |
| 14:45 |
Fixer |
i have no idea where we going, but future seems somewhat shitty |
| 14:46 |
Fixer |
every asshole wants my privacy/data/whatever for some reason, everyone wants to bend me, right to repair and such |
| 14:46 |
rubenwardy |
most non-technical users don't give a shit about privacy |
| 14:46 |
Fixer |
and they use facebook where they publish their private life and data |
| 14:46 |
rubenwardy |
and most technical users like OS X too much |
| 14:47 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, only app developers use OS X ;) |
| 14:47 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: apple is too anal and for gays to be honest |
| 14:47 |
rubenwardy |
err what? |
| 14:47 |
shivajiva |
oml |
| 14:47 |
Fixer |
apple is not much good alternative for windows |
| 14:47 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, apple doesn't want Vulkan or OGL |
| 14:47 |
Jordach |
it ahs to be "Metal" |
| 14:47 |
Jordach |
aka for faggots |
| 14:47 |
Fixer |
same autoritarian company with users having no say |
| 14:47 |
rubenwardy |
that's a bit homophobic |
| 14:47 |
Jordach |
welcome to the internet |
| 14:47 |
Fixer |
kek |
| 14:48 |
rubenwardy |
that does excuse it |
| 14:48 |
rubenwardy |
*doesn't |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
ok, not for gays |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
for "think different" kind of people |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
in bad way |
| 14:48 |
Fixer |
religious way |
| 14:49 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, the cult of mac |
| 14:49 |
Fixer |
yep |
| 14:50 |
Krock |
It's also a cult that there are Linux vs Windows discussions on IRC very often |
| 14:50 |
Fixer |
Jordach: i don't care about vulkan or dx12 tbh, todays 50GB games are little to much for my harddrive |
| 14:51 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, linux is also probably a 'cult' in a different way |
| 14:51 |
Fixer |
yes |
| 14:51 |
Fixer |
but at least you have some kind of choice in linux worlds |
| 14:51 |
Fixer |
in apple/ms you eat shit you like it or not |
| 14:51 |
Jordach |
Fixer, i expect there to be "tiered" linux installs |
| 14:52 |
Jordach |
one for normies with macbooks or netbooks |
| 14:52 |
Fixer |
"normies" |
| 14:52 |
Fixer |
TRIGGERED |
| 14:52 |
Jordach |
but that will be the cse |
| 14:53 |
shivajiva |
whenever there is choice we get discussion, Linux is just to technical for the masses imo but it's bridging the gap slowly as time passes |
| 14:53 |
Fixer |
Jordach: you can move off large parts of population to shitablets, since all they need is facebook, few pics, and some stuff, for real work or uni you can get a PC/notebook |
| 14:53 |
rubenwardy |
at most of the problems I've had on Linux are my own fault |
| 14:53 |
rubenwardy |
*were |
| 14:54 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: i have a bad news for you, windows is also too technical for everyone |
| 14:54 |
rubenwardy |
*at least |
| 14:54 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, Fixer: the RPI's NOOBs distro is perfect for idiots |
| 14:55 |
Fixer |
when people can register their email in year 2017 or don't even know whats the login is about |
| 14:55 |
Fixer |
windows does not even have a tutorial |
| 14:55 |
Fixer |
iirc |
| 14:55 |
Fixer |
same for android shit |
| 14:55 |
Fixer |
how i'm supposed to know those swipes & shit |
| 14:55 |
Fixer |
furiosly randomly moving with my fingers? |
| 14:56 |
Fixer |
Jordach: they are not idiots, people just don't interest in this, like i'm not interest in car or house repair |
| 14:56 |
Fixer |
there are very few experts in any field of life |
| 14:56 |
Jordach |
Fixer, NOOBs has prebuilt modes to turn it into a xmbc server, router etc |
| 14:56 |
Jordach |
all pre-configured |
| 14:56 |
Jordach |
why not for a standard desktop or laptop |
| 14:57 |
Fixer |
Jordach: whats the router? :trollface: |
| 14:57 |
Jordach |
basically installs browser and office stuff and that's it for normies, developers can get their IDEs etc |
| 14:57 |
Fixer |
linux already has everything "normies" need |
| 14:57 |
Fixer |
browser, office, music, video, some popular games |
| 14:58 |
Fixer |
true gamers still use windows because of big libraries |
| 14:58 |
Fixer |
there are lots of legacy software |
| 14:58 |
Fixer |
on win |
| 14:58 |
Fixer |
if that gets thrown out eventually, that will be perfect time to dump win forever |
| 14:58 |
rubenwardy |
Fixer, swipes aren't that important on Android. Except maybe the refresh |
| 14:59 |
rubenwardy |
from my experience of material design at least |
| 14:59 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: but still buyer needs some kind of tutorial, i understand, even monkey can do this, but still there must be a tutorial, it is not that hard |
| 14:59 |
shivajiva |
hmm I bought a gaming mouse and had to compile a custom kernel but other than that I think everything else problem wise was a product of my tinkering with Linux |
| 14:59 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, in early versions there was tutorials |
| 14:59 |
rubenwardy |
*were |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
early phone concept was easy, you have a numbers to press, call button and hung button, very simple |
| 15:00 |
Fixer |
you type numbers and call, talk, hang, end of story |
| 15:00 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, my phone is downloading it's OTA Nougat update |
| 15:01 |
rubenwardy |
:O |
| 15:01 |
Fixer |
my phone is not downloading, andr 2.2.3 iirc |
| 15:01 |
Jordach |
since cyanogen died, we've been stuck in marshmellow limbo |
| 15:01 |
rubenwardy |
Wish my phone could OTA update |
| 15:01 |
Fixer |
where is my update, samsung? |
| 15:01 |
rubenwardy |
or at least get Nougat |
| 15:01 |
Jordach |
my OEM absorbed half of cyanogen |
| 15:02 |
Jordach |
and has qualcomm fast charge 3 with usb type C |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
heck, i have lenovo tablet with 4.4.2, where is my Nougat shit or smth |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
it is just few years old |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
you don't think i will buy new one? |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
i will not, sorry |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
will buy a new battery for it |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
when it starts to die down |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
same for 5 years old phone |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
battery is like 5 $ |
| 15:02 |
rubenwardy |
lol, 4.4.2 is the oldest Android version we support in most projects at work |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
dirt cheap |
| 15:02 |
rubenwardy |
api 19 |
| 15:03 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: sorry, no update from lenovo, buy a new one, ofc |
| 15:03 |
Fixer |
how is economy gonna run if you don't buy a new junk? |
| 15:03 |
Jordach |
Fixer, rubenwardy: my OEM provided nougat to it's phone released in 2015 |
| 15:03 |
Fixer |
same with china-quality shit |
| 15:03 |
Jordach |
(it included all phones they've released) |
| 15:03 |
Fixer |
door handle that breaks, i've seen everything |
| 15:04 |
Fixer |
you use no metal in door handles? wtf? |
| 15:04 |
Fixer |
Jordach: miracle |
| 15:04 |
Jordach |
Fixer, they're a british OEM specifically |
| 15:04 |
Fixer |
Jordach: most of manufacturers, well... just dump you, buy a new one (tm) |
| 15:05 |
Fixer |
i'm still not here to feed the neigbourhood |
| 15:05 |
Jordach |
Fixer, the original had a removable battery and dual sims |
| 15:05 |
Fixer |
wasting money on junk |
| 15:05 |
Jordach |
(with 2 LTE antennas) |
| 15:05 |
Fixer |
Jordach: removable battery is key |
| 15:05 |
Jordach |
the new version is basically the same but with a battery that doesn't fall over every 8 hours |
| 15:05 |
Fixer |
even with unremovable you probably can unsolder it |
| 15:05 |
Fixer |
here in Ukraine you can find that guy that will replace it for cheap |
| 15:06 |
Jordach |
Fixer, the body is unibody aluminium |
| 15:06 |
Jordach |
on the second edition |
| 15:06 |
Jordach |
it has two mini torx security screws and it slides apart |
| 15:06 |
Fixer |
Jordach: is not aluminium is kinda weak metal? |
| 15:06 |
Jordach |
Fixer, it's far stronger than that |
| 15:06 |
Jordach |
it's some reinforced stuff |
| 15:07 |
Fixer |
Jordach: they have too, how you gonna carry that oversized break in your pockets? |
| 15:07 |
Fixer |
oh, i understand |
| 15:07 |
Jordach |
Size (mm) 143.7 x 71.9 x 8.6 |
| 15:07 |
Fixer |
now clothes manufacturers need to make larger pockets :trollface: |
| 15:08 |
Fixer |
Jordach: thats a brick for sure |
| 15:08 |
Jordach |
Fixer, it's thin af |
| 15:08 |
Fixer |
don't care about thin |
| 15:09 |
Jordach |
it's a 5'' display |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
i want battery life |
| 15:09 |
Jordach |
Fixer, idles for like 4-5 days with me |
| 15:09 |
Fixer |
not this shit that lives 1 day from battery |
| 15:10 |
Fixer |
also, powerbank, nice work - crapeconomy |
| 15:11 |
Fixer |
when you can't add a good battery, you end up with this crap |
| 15:11 |
Jordach |
ah, so your adidas pockets are too small then |
| 15:11 |
Jordach |
Kappa |
| 15:11 |
Fixer |
._. |
| 15:11 |
Jordach |
Fixer, i use my phone like a pager |
| 15:11 |
Jordach |
it's generally unused until i check it once or twice a day |
| 15:11 |
Fixer |
Jordach: i want small phone with android with big battery, where is it? :trollface: |
| 15:11 |
Jordach |
Fixer, nowhere |
| 15:12 |
Fixer |
yep |
| 15:12 |
Fixer |
invisible hand tm |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
i've seen a samsung battery and case mod for a huge battery |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
but it becomes a goddamn nokia brick in the process |
| 15:12 |
Fixer |
same obsession with black colour everywhere |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
Fixer, my phone is mint coloured |
| 15:13 |
Jordach |
(some blue/green mix) |
| 15:13 |
Fixer |
some kitchen stuff is white, anything else has big obsession with black for some reason |
| 15:13 |
Fixer |
and glance |
| 15:13 |
Fixer |
less dirt? |
| 15:13 |
Fixer |
but tons of visible dust |
| 15:13 |
Fixer |
fail |
| 15:13 |
Jordach |
Fixer, there's a reason why i don't use my phone for music anymore |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
Jordach: 3.5mm jack? |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
is removed? |
| 15:14 |
Jordach |
Fixer, no, since i bought one of the highest end walkmans ever produced i can't go back to standard MP3 |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
ah |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
thats different |
| 15:14 |
Fixer |
3.5mm jack is removed in some phones, and i'm very worried |
| 15:14 |
Jordach |
currently on a waiting list, there's one person in Italy who can upgrade it's electronics |
| 15:15 |
Jordach |
to an even better performing state |
| 15:15 |
Fixer |
i can only imagine the meating on "How can we piss off everyone even more? We will remove 3.5mm because well it is old, and we want more money from you, want to sell adapters, and just fuck everybody" |
| 15:16 |
Fixer |
Jordach: can you even buy casettes today? whats the price? |
| 15:16 |
Jordach |
Fixer, cheap af |
| 15:16 |
Jordach |
ebay has been my source of pre-recorded, and my current deck is a Teac R-H300 |
| 15:16 |
Jordach |
~£6 per single pre-rec |
| 15:17 |
Jordach |
those charity shops have been bust to find them |
| 15:17 |
Fixer |
ooooh, expensive |
| 15:17 |
Fixer |
too expensive |
| 15:17 |
Jordach |
Fixer, i'm fearing the 28th of this month |
| 15:17 |
benrob0329 |
Antergos is nice, you have options for DE and software on install. |
| 15:18 |
Fixer |
Jordach: reason? |
| 15:18 |
Jordach |
guardians of the galaxy 2 is coming out |
| 15:18 |
Jordach |
RIP buying non-working walkmans |
| 15:19 |
Jordach |
but i damn well know marvel will release the soundtrack on cassette like they did before |
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| 15:20 |
Fixer |
Jordach: what if I told you that you can record on a cassette anything you want |
| 15:20 |
Krock |
Jordach, can't wait for it :D |
| 15:21 |
Jordach |
Fixer, >current deck is a Teac R-H300 |
| 15:21 |
Jordach |
already done that |
| 15:21 |
Fixer |
nice |
| 15:21 |
Jordach |
it's actually hiding in my desk |
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| 15:21 |
Fixer |
then you just need lots of good casettes, and you can pretty much record anything from a PC/other device to your casette recorder, you know better |
| 15:22 |
benrob0329 |
No 3.5 jack would be understandable on some decices (where music clearly isn't what your going to be using it for) or where its absolutely necessary |
| 15:22 |
Megaf |
Hi all |
| 15:22 |
benrob0329 |
Hi Megaf |
| 15:22 |
Megaf |
benrob0329, I agree |
| 15:22 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: lots of young people still use phone for music |
| 15:22 |
Megaf |
no excuse for smartphones not having headphone jack |
| 15:22 |
Fixer |
yep |
| 15:22 |
Fixer |
price is already ridiculous |
| 15:23 |
Jordach |
Fixer, this is the model i own http://i.imgur.com/7Teu5KC.jpg |
| 15:23 |
Jordach |
(same one in image with leather case) |
| 15:23 |
Fixer |
like 600 usd phone can't have 3.5mm ? thats just batshit |
| 15:23 |
Fixer |
Jordach: pretty compact |
| 15:23 |
Jordach |
Fixer, it's very goddamn special |
| 15:24 |
Jordach |
that has a wow and flutter ratio of ~0.05% |
| 15:24 |
Jordach |
but it also plays both sides and doesn't have a cracked gear mechanism, like the other DD line |
| 15:24 |
red-001 |
cheapie, maybe you could post https://github.com/cheapie/chat6 on the forums? |
| 15:24 |
Jordach |
Fixer, it also has the problem of being extremely expensive too |
| 15:25 |
cheapie |
red-001: No, posting mods on the forums tends to be more trouble than it's worth. |
| 15:25 |
benrob0329 |
Is there a way of seeing how long someone has been away? |
| 15:25 |
rubenwardy |
!seen pilzadam |
| 15:25 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: I haven't seen pilzadam in #minetest-hub. |
| 15:26 |
benrob0329 |
I mean without a bot |
| 15:35 |
Krock |
/msg nickserv info PilzAdam |
| 15:35 |
Krock |
- NickServ: Last seen : (about 33 weeks ago) |
| 15:35 |
Krock |
^ benrob0329 |
| 15:37 |
benrob0329 |
Ahhh |
| 15:37 |
benrob0329 |
Thanks |
| 15:39 |
benrob0329 |
Irc has sounds? |
| 15:39 |
benrob0329 |
http://ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-tips.html |
| 15:39 |
benrob0329 |
All the way at ths bottom |
| 15:57 |
Krock |
lol, even explains ASCII emojis |
| 15:58 |
Krock |
=-O * * * Enterprise firing photon torpedoes |
| 15:59 |
Krock |
Engage! |
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| 16:14 |
benrob0329 |
Krock: lol |
| 16:24 |
Krock |
what's btw the correct term for "client side mods" in short? "CSM mods", "Client mods"? |
| 16:25 |
red-001 |
huh |
| 16:25 |
red-001 |
thats the good question |
| 16:25 |
Krock |
s/the/a/ |
| 16:26 |
red-001 |
I don't think everyone knows that CSM is the short hand for "Client-side modding" |
| 16:26 |
red-001 |
so I suppose it's CSM mods on IRC and Client mods on the forums |
| 16:29 |
Calinou |
we shouldn't use CSM, people will believe it means Cubic Sadomasochism |
| 16:29 |
red-001 |
lol |
| 16:32 |
red-001 |
Client mods wouldn't be a bad term for client-sided mods |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
but if we do that, people will say it's clientelism! |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
mmmmmm nougat update |
| 17:20 |
nerzhul |
we are thinking with Dumbeldor about knockback, but without a new packet it's not possible to have a proper knockback |
| 17:20 |
Dumbeldor |
:) |
| 17:20 |
nerzhul |
regarding World of Warcraft protocol they code a dedicated packet for this |
| 17:20 |
red-001 |
lol even north korea is part of international trademark law related agreements |
| 17:20 |
benrob0329 |
wouldn't old clients just ignore said packet? |
| 17:21 |
red-001 |
benrob0329 just use the old protocol for them |
| 17:21 |
red-001 |
nvm |
| 17:21 |
nerzhul |
benrob0329, it's the problem yes, for old client knockback will be ignored |
| 17:21 |
nerzhul |
it's the difficulty with a retrocompat model |
| 17:21 |
red-001 |
I though we where talking about something else |
| 17:22 |
benrob0329 |
Ok, I don't see too much of a problem with that |
| 17:22 |
nerzhul |
idea can be to send moveTo to old client which is a little bit hacky (like a teleport) and send knockback to new clients |
| 17:22 |
benrob0329 |
Ild clients don't support a lot of things |
| 17:22 |
benrob0329 |
*old |
| 17:22 |
nerzhul |
benrob0329, with the minimum protocol raise the gap is reduced |
| 17:23 |
benrob0329 |
And servers can reject older clients to keep gameplay balences |
| 17:26 |
nerzhul |
benrob0329, yes |
| 17:27 |
benrob0329 |
So...I don't see the problem |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
just make an EULA to stop people using old versions |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
problem solved |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
also add auto updating |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
and search installed programs for cheating software |
| 17:38 |
red-001 |
and add cypro |
| 17:38 |
red-001 |
crypto* |
| 17:41 |
rubenwardy |
We will have the very best crypto. The very best crypto. No other game will have better. Not even China will have games better. Believe me |
| 17:42 |
nore |
function encrypt(message) return random() end |
| 17:43 |
nore |
No-one can decrypt our encrypted messages. |
| 17:43 |
nore |
not even the MSA |
| 17:43 |
nore |
*NSA |
| 17:43 |
nerzhul |
sha256(message) :D |
| 17:43 |
nore |
(okay, not even the one receiving the message, but why is that useful anyway?) |
| 17:43 |
rubenwardy |
you could do that in O(1): function encrypt(message) return 42 end |
| 17:44 |
rubenwardy |
our algorithms are also very, very, very fast |
| 17:44 |
rubenwardy |
actually, |
| 17:44 |
rubenwardy |
if you implement encrypt like function encrypt(message) return random() end |
| 17:44 |
rubenwardy |
you probably implement random like function random() return 42 end |
| 17:44 |
rubenwardy |
so mine's no faster |
| 17:44 |
nore |
heh |
| 17:45 |
nore |
depends whether your compiler inlines functions :) |
| 17:45 |
Shara |
Hi all |
| 17:46 |
nore |
hey Shara |
| 17:48 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: knockback will be very cool to have imo |
| 17:52 |
* Fixer |
listens to this and keks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjRjqYGNeQU |
| 18:06 |
Krock |
+1 for 42 as a crypto method |
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tenplus1 |
hi fols |
| 19:13 |
Krock |
hi tenplu1 |
| 19:13 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock :P |
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* tenplus1 |
prepares indian foody for dinner :D |
| 19:16 |
Krock |
nice :) |
| 19:16 |
* nerzhul |
prepares indian for dinner |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
hi nerzhul, nice |
| 19:17 |
* nerzhul |
is a canibal :p |
| 19:17 |
tenplus1 |
eheheh |
| 19:19 |
Megaf |
tenplus1, ! |
| 19:19 |
tenplus1 |
hi Megaf |
| 19:20 |
Megaf |
onety-one :) |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/c9ac64b4-hold-up-whatg.jpg |
| 19:20 |
Krock |
lol I was so focussed on the text |
| 19:20 |
Megaf |
tenplus1, lol |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
:PP |
| 19:21 |
Shara |
Hi ten |
| 19:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi Shara :P |
| 19:22 |
Shara |
I think I rewrote potential fire PR maybe five times so far :P |
| 19:22 |
Megaf |
When you are waiting for an answer from her on whatsapp and she is taking a long time to answer and you realise the battery was very low... |
| 19:23 |
* Megaf |
using web.whatsapp.com ... |
| 19:23 |
tenplus1 |
heh, making it better each time / |
| 19:23 |
Shara |
It's messy because there are two settings... |
| 19:23 |
tenplus1 |
what did you add ? |
| 19:24 |
Shara |
Didn't make PR yet but.... |
| 19:24 |
Megaf |
tenplus1, somebody rewrote fire? |
| 19:24 |
Megaf |
You? |
| 19:24 |
Shara |
https://github.com/Ezhh/minetest_game/commit/1b1a5603121eb059f29775a43bad685c725b0611 |
| 19:24 |
* Megaf |
looks |
| 19:24 |
Shara |
Megaf: Not rewriting. Just tiny change quite a few people liked the idea of |
| 19:24 |
tenplus1 |
I did make a fire redo but it's for Xanadu and disables all sounds so that Ambiance handles fire sounds |
| 19:25 |
tenplus1 |
ah yes, fire disabled if running on network :P good idea |
| 19:25 |
Shara |
works same way as tnt then |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
:)) |
| 19:26 |
Shara |
No more new servers owners getting sad things were burned down when they didn't expect it :P |
| 19:27 |
tenplus1 |
good idea :P |
| 19:30 |
paramat |
fire is more dangerous than tnt |
| 19:30 |
tenplus1 |
hi paramat, I agree |
| 19:30 |
paramat |
and we have flint and steel now too |
| 19:31 |
tenplus1 |
when first using ethereal forest fires were rampant until I put the dry dirt biome as a buffer |
| 19:33 |
Shara |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 |
| 19:34 |
paramat |
thanks |
| 19:34 |
Shara |
No prob. Was fun :) |
| 19:34 |
tenplus1 |
thumbs up |
| 19:35 |
Shara |
Thanks tenplus1 :) |
| 19:36 |
Shara |
Hehehe "+1 -" I sort of read this as "plus one minus" :D |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
:) |
| 19:37 |
Shara |
thanks paramat :) |
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| 19:39 |
tenplus1 |
am just gonna leave this here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4425 |
| 19:40 |
RobbieF |
Good day. |
| 19:40 |
tenplus1 |
hi RobbieF |
| 19:40 |
Shara |
Hi RobbieF |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
hows things |
| 19:41 |
RobbieF |
Hey you two. |
| 19:42 |
RobbieF |
Doing well thanks (now that my web site's server is back online - lol) |
| 19:42 |
RobbieF |
how're you? |
| 19:42 |
tenplus1 |
what happened to your server ? am okie... finished work and nom'd indian foody |
| 19:42 |
Shara |
Not bad. Just made the PR I've been working on |
| 19:42 |
Shara |
(and thanks to Ten, I'm now going to order indian... :P ) |
| 19:42 |
tenplus1 |
eheheheheh |
| 19:47 |
RobbieF |
great stuff on both counts! |
| 19:47 |
RobbieF |
Korma = Robbie's favorite. Just FYI. |
| 19:47 |
Shara |
sofar: can I ask your reasoning please? |
| 19:47 |
Shara |
This is clearly an issue and first time server owners clearly don't know better. |
| 19:47 |
tenplus1 |
RobbieF: Try a Ceylonese Korma... even better :DDD |
| 19:48 |
sofar |
shara: completely ignores singleplayer |
| 19:48 |
Shara |
I have walked enough people through how to turn fire off that I have lost count. |
| 19:48 |
sofar |
any discussion in here that disregards singleplayer gameplay is completely biased |
| 19:48 |
Shara |
WOuld you also want it off by default on singleplayer? |
| 19:49 |
* RobbieF |
types: cp *.korma /tmp/mybelly |
| 19:49 |
sofar |
not a single singleplayer player will come in here asking how to turn it ON |
| 19:49 |
* RobbieF |
doesn't care what type of korma. Just give me the korma. |
| 19:49 |
Shara |
But that's why I didn't change the behaviour for them. |
| 19:49 |
sofar |
no, I want it on by default, just like tnt and liquids should be on by default |
| 19:49 |
Shara |
For singleplayer, it still would be with this. |
| 19:49 |
sofar |
huh, did I misread? |
| 19:49 |
Shara |
Looks like |
| 19:49 |
* sofar |
goes to wear glasses |
| 19:50 |
Shara |
"Singleplayer remains unchanged. " |
| 19:50 |
Shara |
I have no interest in changing singleplayer for this. I think everything should be on by default there. (you don't get other people showing up to grief in singleplayer) |
| 19:50 |
sofar |
yeah |
| 19:50 |
sofar |
so my kids enable lan play |
| 19:50 |
sofar |
and now fire stops working |
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| 19:54 |
sofar |
anyway, sorry I misread, but using minetest.is_singleplayer() and changing behavior is IMHO broken |
| 19:54 |
sofar |
unwanted, even. |
| 19:55 |
paramat |
wanted by a few already, and makes a lot of sense |
| 19:56 |
Shara |
sofar: I get the point about local lan players, but I think it's more important to prevent damage on large public worlds which someone is going to be paying to run for others. |
| 19:56 |
sofar |
but |
| 19:56 |
sofar |
but |
| 19:56 |
Shara |
atorian37 hit this issue just last night |
| 19:56 |
sofar |
you're making a mess with options for stupid server ops |
| 19:56 |
sofar |
a single wiki page should suffice |
| 19:56 |
Shara |
Being new is not being stupid. |
| 19:56 |
TommyTreasure |
hey now, i resemble that! |
| 19:57 |
Shara |
TommyTreasure also had this issue, yes. |
| 19:57 |
sofar |
heres_how_to_make_a_safe_multiplayer_server_wiki.html |
| 19:57 |
TommyTreasure |
yes, but i had found it in the wiki just as you told me about it |
| 19:57 |
paramat |
wut, tnt is disabled for multiplayer and is less dangerous than fire |
| 19:58 |
* TommyTreasure |
also didn't know about /deleteblocks until a few days ago |
| 19:58 |
sofar |
paramat: ehehe, we should ban `minetest.singleplayer()` from mtg imho :) |
| 20:00 |
TommyTreasure |
just my opinion. the harder it gets for a new server owner to set up a safe game, the less those server owners will help promote the game. |
| 20:01 |
sofar |
TommyTreasure: you're disragarding a very important factor |
| 20:01 |
sofar |
1) there are many servers already, and most are empty |
| 20:01 |
TommyTreasure |
btw, not meant as an argument |
| 20:01 |
sofar |
2) many, many more players never go on servers |
| 20:02 |
sofar |
people forget that probably 90% of players never go to a multiplayer server |
| 20:02 |
Shara |
I don't forget, but there's only the one official game. |
| 20:02 |
sofar |
they start singleplayer and play it once, or play a local server |
| 20:02 |
sofar |
obviously that's a problem, there should be 1 official game. |
| 20:02 |
sofar |
and what we have now (mtg) isn't that |
| 20:02 |
paramat |
servers are still important |
| 20:02 |
sofar |
it's a half-bad modding base and a half-bad singleplayer game |
| 20:03 |
sofar |
so it's the worst of both |
| 20:03 |
Shara |
Yes, that's why I'd like them split up. |
| 20:03 |
sofar |
any server operator should realize that and stop using mtg |
| 20:03 |
TommyTreasure |
that's exactly the way i started. but....... i studied the youtube vids (and a good part of them give some bad information), then joined the forums, and read, read, read..... |
| 20:03 |
sofar |
and we should make mtg a singleplayer game 100% |
| 20:03 |
Shara |
sofar: and with what time am I supposed to go and make a game from scratch? |
| 20:04 |
Shara |
Most of us have been here learning as we go,a nd MTG was the only real option. |
| 20:04 |
sofar |
well we can't do it all at once |
| 20:05 |
TommyTreasure |
^^ totally understood |
| 20:05 |
sofar |
small steps |
| 20:05 |
sofar |
but the steps should be going the right way |
| 20:05 |
Shara |
Right way depends what MTG is, and if MTG devs can't agree on this, there isn't much hope for the rest of us to have a clue. |
| 20:06 |
TommyTreasure |
but is the right way for a totally split of singleplayer vs multiplayer game? sorry if i misunderstood you |
| 20:06 |
sofar |
developing a multiplayer game is hard, no doubt |
| 20:07 |
paramat |
your opinions about servers not using mtg and mtg being singleplayer only are irrelevant to what is actually happening on servers |
| 20:07 |
paramat |
the PR seems a 'no-brainer' |
| 20:07 |
sofar |
it's only irrelevant if you think singleplayers are irrelevant |
| 20:07 |
sofar |
I'd like to point out that the change breaks peoples' games? |
| 20:08 |
Shara |
But this PR is only bad if you think servers are irrelevant. |
| 20:08 |
sofar |
I never play singleplayer since then my son can't join me |
| 20:08 |
sofar |
do I want fire? yes |
| 20:08 |
sofar |
tnt? yes |
| 20:08 |
Shara |
And it's fixed with one line in conf |
| 20:08 |
sofar |
liquids? |
| 20:08 |
paramat |
how does it break games? |
| 20:08 |
sofar |
Shara: no, the PR is bad too because it's written ONLY for uninformed server operators |
| 20:08 |
nore |
what I would suggest then |
| 20:08 |
sofar |
paramat: it removes fire entirely |
| 20:09 |
sofar |
from a world that has fire |
| 20:09 |
nore |
is that when you have a multiplayer server |
| 20:09 |
nore |
the first time a player with "server" priv joins |
| 20:09 |
nore |
they get asked whether they want a "safe" server (fire, tnt, etc disabled) or not |
| 20:09 |
nore |
problem solved :) |
| 20:09 |
paramat |
if a server has no fire setting they can add one, it's worth it |
| 20:10 |
Shara |
I don't see what this breaks. Fire either edstroys things and goes out... or goes out before destroying things/spreading |
| 20:10 |
Shara |
destroys* |
| 20:10 |
sofar |
mtg has permanent fire |
| 20:11 |
sofar |
also a problem with setting_get/set is that it applies to all worlds |
| 20:13 |
TommyTreasure |
i actually thought i was the 'different' server owner, not using RUN_IN_PLACE. |
| 20:13 |
atorian37 |
for me it was clearly my fault yesterday - I did not realise, that I had to disable fire at all if I don't want players to be able to destroy, what other players have built on my multiplayer world... it's always a risk because there is at leat one black sheep in the raws of the players |
| 20:13 |
TommyTreasure |
atorian37, i did it to myself! by accident, of course. |
| 20:14 |
atorian37 |
ok, thats the other sie |
| 20:14 |
atorian37 |
side |
| 20:15 |
atorian37 |
maybe it should be disabled by default and be added if wanted? |
| 20:15 |
tenplus1 |
agreed |
| 20:15 |
Shara |
That's what this was for :) |
| 20:15 |
sofar |
no, no, no |
| 20:15 |
shivajiva |
How much support is there amongst the devs for concentrating on singleplayer and making it great as opposed to this 'worst of both worlds'? As a server owner I find it a very interesting statement |
| 20:15 |
sofar |
might as well vote for removing fire and tnt altogether from mtg |
| 20:16 |
TommyTreasure |
but, here's the drawback of uneducated server owners. some servers get a great initial response to their 'new' worlds, then 1 person comes in, gets a fire started, and their hard work, as well as player's hard work, is destroyed |
| 20:16 |
paramat |
this is not for uninformed admin, it's for innocently ignorant admin who don't yet realise the huge danger from fire. the danger is so high default off is well worth it |
| 20:16 |
tenplus1 |
singleplayer is your own private world, having tnt and fire spreading is a good thing, but on servers by default tnt is already disabled so why not fire spreading |
| 20:16 |
TommyTreasure |
not necessarily by griefing either |
| 20:17 |
sofar |
again, a wiki page solves this problem |
| 20:17 |
TommyTreasure |
sofar: i would agree with you if there was better (much better) documentation regarding minetest.conf, as part of the distribution. |
| 20:17 |
sofar |
documentation is a way to solve a problem |
| 20:17 |
paramat |
people don't always read the whole of wiki, i still haven't and try to avoid it because it's out of date |
| 20:17 |
TommyTreasure |
+1 |
| 20:18 |
sofar |
no, no, no, don't blame the devs for not writing specific multiplayer docs |
| 20:18 |
tenplus1 |
same paramat, I read git docs more |
| 20:18 |
paramat |
and i encourage others to not rely on it |
| 20:18 |
Shara |
I blame the devs for having one game and not being able to agree on what it is for. Nothing more than that. |
| 20:18 |
TommyTreasure |
paramat: it took me a month of playing on a tps server before i knew the wiki existed |
| 20:18 |
atorian37 |
but guys & gals, after all, fo rme it was also a lesson...nothing very hard hapened (thanks to the help here) and I learned a lot since yesterday ;) |
| 20:18 |
paramat |
admin opting-in to fire is a very small inconvenience |
| 20:19 |
sofar |
Shara: actually, I agree what it's for, but the other devs seem to be ignoring the problem entirely |
| 20:19 |
sofar |
hell fork minetest_game today and I'd be exhilerated |
| 20:19 |
nore |
no no no |
| 20:19 |
sofar |
stop pretending that we can cater to everyone |
| 20:19 |
tenplus1 |
I disabled fire on Xanadu after seeing it ravage whole areas of map and lag them to hell... it's a needed feature to have it disabled by default on servers and enable it if wanted... |
| 20:19 |
nore |
mtg should be for singleplayer, even if it can have a multiplayer use |
| 20:19 |
Shara |
permanent_flame doesn't go out even when normal flame does from tests here. |
| 20:20 |
nore |
but we should focus primarily on singleplayer |
| 20:20 |
paramat |
what problem are we ignoring? |
| 20:20 |
Shara |
So I still don't see how this breaks worlds. |
| 20:20 |
sofar |
choosing that mtg is for LAN play only |
| 20:20 |
nore |
although we should add configuration for things such as fire/tnt so that server owners can easily disable them |
| 20:20 |
sofar |
unmoderated, undiluted, unprotected |
| 20:21 |
nore |
and make a doc somewhere to tell that to server owners |
| 20:21 |
sofar |
nore: but, said config should go into mod config, not minetest.conf |
| 20:21 |
nore |
sofar: yes |
| 20:21 |
nore |
however I think it would be nice to have some simple global switch that protects everything |
| 20:21 |
sofar |
call it `survival_game` |
| 20:22 |
nore |
i.e. every time we want to use is_singleplayer now, you use this switch with defaults to on |
| 20:22 |
paramat |
it doesn't suggest mtg is for multiplayer only, it's just setting the default taking into account the dangers |
| 20:22 |
sofar |
paramat: no but it changes how existing worlds work |
| 20:22 |
paramat |
so? |
| 20:22 |
nore |
and whenever a server owner wants a "protected" server, they flip the switch and that's all |
| 20:22 |
paramat |
it's for good reason |
| 20:23 |
sofar |
explain that to my son when he can't get his fireplace to work |
| 20:23 |
sofar |
hint: he's 6, he doesn't take disappointment well |
| 20:23 |
tenplus1 |
sofar: you can easily enable fire |
| 20:23 |
sofar |
he can't |
| 20:23 |
tenplus1 |
but YOU can... |
| 20:23 |
paramat |
it takes you a fraction of the time spent arguing to add the setting |
| 20:23 |
sofar |
but you broke it |
| 20:23 |
TommyTreasure |
explain it to a 7 y/o player when their house burns down |
| 20:23 |
sofar |
ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOURSELF? |
| 20:23 |
paramat |
your son has a helpful father |
| 20:24 |
tenplus1 |
advanced settings has enable_fire |
| 20:24 |
sofar |
there are hundreds of kids .... maybe thousands |
| 20:24 |
sofar |
they don't have me as a dad |
| 20:24 |
tenplus1 |
kids arent so stupid they cant go into advanced settings and search for fire |
| 20:24 |
sofar |
heck their parents may not even know how to update windows |
| 20:24 |
sofar |
oh ffs |
| 20:24 |
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sofar left #minetest-hub |
| 20:24 |
paramat |
if kids have problems with settings they will have hundreds of problems elsewhere in MT |
| 20:24 |
nore |
:'( |
| 20:24 |
tenplus1 |
o.O why the hell was this even an argument ? |
| 20:24 |
nore |
paramat: not true |
| 20:25 |
benrob0329 |
What is happening |
| 20:25 |
nore |
the thing is: |
| 20:25 |
benrob0329 |
O_O |
| 20:25 |
paramat |
sofar is making no sense at all |
| 20:25 |
nore |
server owners *are able to read the docs* |
| 20:25 |
benrob0329 |
No one is making sense |
| 20:25 |
nore |
it is trivial for them to disable a single switch |
| 20:25 |
TommyTreasure |
too bad it takes ages for a new server owner to find them |
| 20:25 |
tenplus1 |
exactly... if a post on the forum alerts them to the change they can enable fire if they really want it |
| 20:25 |
nore |
it is not for other players, especially kids |
| 20:25 |
benrob0329 |
Problem: Fire is easy to grief with, and lags the server |
| 20:25 |
tenplus1 |
it breaks nothing and saves many noob servers from getting burned |
| 20:26 |
Shara |
Wish I never bothered... |
| 20:26 |
TommyTreasure |
:( |
| 20:26 |
Shara |
Why can't people disagree without arguing? |
| 20:26 |
nore |
benrob0329: yes, but a server owner read the docs to know how to setup a server anyway |
| 20:26 |
benrob0329 |
Solution: make fire not lag the server, and disable it in multiplayer by default |
| 20:26 |
tenplus1 |
and the docs on forum can be updated to show fire/tnt enabling |
| 20:27 |
nore |
exactly |
| 20:27 |
Shara |
benrob0329: last part is what the PR is for. |
| 20:27 |
atorian37 |
please not lanplay only.. my godchild lives 70kms away and likes to play with me on my server... |
| 20:27 |
nore |
atorian37: nah, what I want is to enable it as a default |
| 20:27 |
atorian37 |
ah |
| 20:27 |
nore |
and public server owners can disable it easily |
| 20:28 |
TommyTreasure |
nore: it really isn't as easy as that for noob server owners |
| 20:28 |
benrob0329 |
perhaps move tnt and fire to the world select? |
| 20:28 |
nore |
TommyTreasure: *any* public server owner will read at least some docs |
| 20:28 |
benrob0329 |
/add and api to add per world sertings to main menu |
| 20:29 |
nore |
but I *still don't see* why my suggestion was not even considered |
| 20:29 |
tenplus1 |
settings tab has a space in the middle for "[ ] Enable TNT" and "[ ] Enable Fire spread" |
| 20:29 |
tenplus1 |
that's very easy indeed |
| 20:29 |
nore |
the first time a player with the server priv joins, ask that an done. |
| 20:29 |
TommyTreasure |
nore: docs are difficult to find |
| 20:30 |
nore |
that's why I'm asking why this suggestion was not even considered in the conversation |
| 20:30 |
benrob0329 |
An easy to see setting will do wonders for newbie players |
| 20:30 |
paramat |
nore, yes, but multiplayer servers usually are run by people who know how to work with settings, and only multiplayer is affected here |
| 20:31 |
nore |
paramat: yes, so? |
| 20:32 |
paramat |
so the setting being a problem for a young kid is not much of an issue |
| 20:32 |
Fixer |
*,...,* |
| 20:33 |
Fixer |
if kid hates settings - smth wrong with this kid |
| 20:33 |
paramat |
so why is tnt disabled for multiplayer by default? no-one has complained about that |
| 20:33 |
nore |
there. |
| 20:34 |
nore |
doing things differently in multiplayer is misleading |
| 20:34 |
Shara |
nore: I actually have no issues with your idea |
| 20:34 |
Shara |
Just kind of reeling from the reaction this got |
| 20:37 |
tenplus1 |
http://i67.tinypic.com/3128hgn.jpg |
| 20:37 |
Krock |
So what do we want now? protect server admins that don't know what fire is or is that over-control and should be left to them to disable it? |
| 20:38 |
Shara |
Krock: let's just forget it |
| 20:38 |
Krock |
Shara, but TNT is inconsistent too |
| 20:38 |
Shara |
Any PR of mine that generates such fuss isn't worth it |
| 20:40 |
Shara |
Krock: MTG devs need to decide here. It's been made quite clear server owners don't get an opinion that matters in terms of what MTG is. |
| 20:40 |
Shara |
But yes, it should be consistent. |
| 20:42 |
CWz |
i wonder what | are use for |
| 20:43 |
Krock |
the current way of getting user feedback is just horrible. either nobody but the PR writer knows what should happen or there's a flamewar that shows that no overall opinion can be found |
| 20:44 |
Krock |
how about adding a strawpoll into the pull, Shara? |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
Krock: to be honest, it just puts me off |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
We had, I think six people, including one dev, in favour of this here last night. Another dev (not MTG) told me he supports the idea |
| 20:45 |
Krock |
normally there's a workaround where both parties are okay with. but here this gets impossile |
| 20:46 |
Krock |
*impossible |
| 20:46 |
Shara |
I never have objections to adjusting my PRs... but I don't want to be told I'm trying to spoil little kids' games |
| 20:46 |
tenplus1 |
let the pull stand on it's own merit and see who answers it... |
| 20:47 |
Shara |
Two devs said no, so it's pointless now |
| 20:47 |
tenplus1 |
consistency in-game is a good thing and on multiplayer it helps if noobs dont destroy new worlds by using TNT and fires |
| 20:47 |
rubenwardy |
Not really sure why there's such a big argument |
| 20:47 |
Krock |
tenplus1, worst case is always being marked as controversial and then it slowly dies after getting the rebase-needed tag |
| 20:47 |
rubenwardy |
Fire is supposed to add risk |
| 20:47 |
rubenwardy |
that is the whole point |
| 20:48 |
Krock |
I'd also like to keep fire how it is right now. but it's annoying to have tnt going its own way there |
| 20:48 |
tenplus1 |
singleplayer worlds are fine to enable by default, yoy play you learn |
| 20:48 |
tenplus1 |
but multiplayer it needs a little help to stop griefing unless fire is really wanted and enabled |
| 20:48 |
* benrob0329 |
still thinks that fire shiuld be rewritten as a node state |
| 20:49 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: yes, but when you find a new server owner didn't know that, and kids are crying their houses were burned down... it just bites a bit. |
| 20:49 |
Krock |
and if you want to have intact forests after 1 week uptime, you have to disable fire or claim all the area :/ |
| 20:49 |
Shara |
The other way round, no damage is done, the current way round, damage is done |
| 20:49 |
* Shara |
shrugs |
| 20:49 |
Shara |
None of it is worth a fight though |
| 20:56 |
tenplus1 |
nite all... |
| 21:00 |
TommyTreasure |
had a phone call, so i couldn't post at the appropriate time.... |
| 21:00 |
TommyTreasure |
however... |
| 21:00 |
TommyTreasure |
i honestly thought the idea of this channel was to get and weigh the response of the server owners, as well as the dev team members |
| 21:01 |
Krock |
You're late. I hope you have some flowers to put on the graveyard ;) |
| 21:01 |
TommyTreasure |
lol, sometimes work has to come first |
| 21:01 |
Krock |
true |
| 21:02 |
Fixer |
lies, that channel was originally dedicated to all funs of vapourwave |
| 21:02 |
Fixer |
and minetest was mentioned just recently |
| 21:02 |
TommyTreasure |
the point i wanted to make was regarding the docs. a new server owner needs to understand programming language just to understand the minetest.example.conf |
| 21:02 |
Krock |
Fixer, what? I originally came here to get new movie torrents |
| 21:02 |
TommyTreasure |
if that's the actual filename, even |
| 21:02 |
TommyTreasure |
great idea! |
| 21:03 |
Fixer |
Krock: we forget about movies in the process, vaporwave was just that good |
| 21:03 |
Krock |
TommyTreasure, *.conf.example actually but yes. |
| 21:04 |
Krock |
The settings in the GUI makes it even more easier, if the server should be a temportary one |
| 21:04 |
Krock |
*make |
| 21:05 |
TommyTreasure |
it does, if you don't have to spend hours trying to get the definition of some of the terms. also, there are many instances where the min/max aren't mentioned, and some work in inverse. totally confusing to the noob |
| 21:06 |
rubenwardy |
http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server#Protect_server |
| 21:06 |
TommyTreasure |
i would have to admit that there is about 90% of the minetest.conf settings that i have absolutely no clue |
| 21:06 |
TommyTreasure |
not all minetest server owners are 'hard core' gamers |
| 21:07 |
TommyTreasure |
dang! another work phone call. |
| 21:07 |
Krock |
well, if it gets too hard for understanding we have a quite good support here on IRC :) |
| 21:09 |
Shara |
A big problem with MT is actually too much documentation. It's big and sprawling and messy. Great once you work out where to start reading... but until then, new person is lost with many headaches |
| 21:11 |
nerzhul |
Shara, having more pages could be better than a single file |
| 21:12 |
TommyTreasure |
and a lot of the documentation is old, and really is hard to find. at least not in the 'official' location |
| 21:13 |
Shara |
nerzhul: I've written such documentation professionally, and what MT has is largely confusing, incomplete-feeling an dmessy. Of course, that's the nature of something like this, so it's obseration, not me placing blame. |
| 21:13 |
Shara |
observation* |
| 21:14 |
TommyTreasure |
i should have stated my position on 'observation' also. |
| 21:15 |
TommyTreasure |
i just wish i had the energy to go through the minetest config options, and submit a version at can be understood by the noob |
| 21:17 |
TommyTreasure |
for instance, i was able to get m/t compiled along with all the prerequisites, on a slack box. was able to install both inspircd and anope, and configure m/t to communicate my my private irc server, yet still have probs getting m/t working properly and smoothly |
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| 21:43 |
red-001 |
did fire just turn into a second sneak? |
| 21:44 |
* Shara |
shrugs |
| 21:44 |
nerzhul |
red-001, heh |
| 21:45 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/RZ79eQj.png EPIC |
| 21:45 |
Fixer |
betanews, amen |
| 21:46 |
red-001 |
theoretically speaking if you had to re-name minetest what name would you chosse? |
| 21:46 |
Shara |
'headache' :P |
| 21:47 |
rubenwardy |
Freeminer |
| 21:47 |
rubenwardy |
oh wait |
| 21:47 |
red-001 |
dead fork, good name |
| 21:48 |
sofar |
bwahahaha |
| 21:49 |
red-001 |
kinda wish there was a way to filter servers in the serverlist |
| 21:50 |
Shara |
Would be nice |
| 21:50 |
red-001 |
I don't feel like working with formspecs through |
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sofar |
tbh, sfinv is nice |
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| 21:53 |
red-001 |
is that the new inventory system? |
| 21:53 |
Fixer |
OpenCraft |
| 21:54 |
benrob0329 |
Dental FLOSS |
| 21:54 |
red-001 |
huh opencraft isn't a bad suggestion |
| 21:55 |
behalebabo |
sounds like the name of a minecraft clone to me |
| 21:55 |
red-001 |
someone on the forums suggested voxelia |
| 21:55 |
benrob0329 |
Perhaps Minetest = Engine, Opencraft == default game |
| 21:59 |
Fixer |
oh, new Samsung Galaxy S8 is out, battery power is estimated at 2kilotons |
| 22:03 |
Fixer |
Spiceworks, which revealed the usage share figures of the main PC operating systems in the business space, says that Windows 7 has a share of 69 percent, followed by Windows XP with 14 percent. Windows 10 is in third place, with nine percent usage share. |
| 22:03 |
red-001 |
lol where is windows 8? |
| 22:04 |
red-001 |
fourth with 5%? |
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| 22:20 |
Fixer |
red-001: kek |
| 22:20 |
Fixer |
red-001: probably behind win2000 |
| 22:30 |
sofar |
caveplay, world of caves, dig a planet, cube digger, block digger, block craft, block maker, blocklife, cubilism, lucky blocks |
| 22:32 |
paramat |
cubic sadomasochism |
| 22:33 |
sofar |
well, that would do well with a certain demographic |
| 22:34 |
sofar |
but "blocklife" would make it easier to get parents to install it for their kids |
| 22:34 |
red-001 |
paramat, lol |
| 22:37 |
benrob0329 |
OpenMiner |
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benrob0329 |
Irrcraft |
| 22:38 |
benrob0329 |
Mod-the-heck-outa-it craft |
| 22:40 |
red-001 |
another project is already using "openspade" btw |
| 22:41 |
* benrob0329 |
gets back to learning C |
| 22:41 |
TommyTreasure |
boy, am i going to stick my foot in my mouth big time. but since i'm here as an observer, and obviously my thoughts and concerns as a noob server owner seemed to be ignored. and, especially with all the latest in-fighting, i'm going to leave this channel. no, not a rage-quit, just rather not participate in a one-sided outlook on what could be really great game. |
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benrob0329 |
This is sad. |
| 22:43 |
red-001 |
indeed |
| 22:43 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 22:43 |
rubenwardy |
decided against isn't ignored |
| 22:44 |
red-001 |
a lot of opensource projects are more hostile to newcomers |
| 22:49 |
paramat |
hmm that's odd, tommy, i've listened about sneak and have put a huge amount of hours into preserving old sneak behaviour in some form. i suggest foot back out of mouth :] |
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| 23:15 |
shivajiva |
I'm thinking, if the exercise was to put server owners in their place in the scheme of things by sofar he definitely succeeded in stamping it |
| 23:16 |
sofar |
never my intent |
| 23:17 |
sofar |
if heated discussions turn into patches, great, I'll do them myself |
| 23:18 |
shivajiva |
shouting and rage quitting and a pr for tnt to align it |
| 23:19 |
sofar |
you know, we should have some more singleplayer players in here |
| 23:19 |
sofar |
they're not really represented well |
| 23:19 |
shivajiva |
agreed :) |
| 23:19 |
nore |
shivajiva: it was decided to allow this to be configured in the inventory tab |
| 23:19 |
sofar |
well nothing was decided yet, but I'd be happy to code it up and PR it |
| 23:19 |
nore |
and it will probably be coded quite soon |
| 23:19 |
nore |
just wait :) |
| 23:19 |
sofar |
then everyone can decide in the PR thread, again |
| 23:20 |
shivajiva |
I have a child also sofar so I'm also aware of the issues :) |
| 23:20 |
sofar |
I felt like I was getting no support |
| 23:20 |
sofar |
so I left |
| 23:20 |
sofar |
then I made a technical contribution that fixed a bug |
| 23:20 |
sofar |
and wrote, clearly, that it's a horrible change, in the PR |
| 23:21 |
sofar |
so I don't think I was dishonest |
| 23:21 |
shivajiva |
woa never implied |
| 23:22 |
sofar |
well sometimes I can use a cooldown |
| 23:22 |
sofar |
leaving for a bit isn't always bad |
| 23:23 |
shivajiva |
need to know how this works, where do I get the info on the current goals of the project? |
| 23:23 |
sofar |
mtg goals are barely written down, sadly |
| 23:23 |
sofar |
the engine is much better organized |
| 23:24 |
sofar |
but, I can't make any other conclusion that multiplayer server admins should be more than capable of maintaining a modding base |
| 23:24 |
sofar |
the same cannot be said for single/LAN play |
| 23:24 |
sofar |
hence my stance that mtg should become a survival/LAN play game |
| 23:25 |
shivajiva |
I cannot argue with the logic |
| 23:25 |
shivajiva |
just the execution of the discussion xD |
| 23:25 |
sofar |
it's just a logical conclusion, and practical too |
| 23:26 |
sofar |
well, sadly, any real discussion often tends to go the other way |
| 23:26 |
sofar |
because server owners represent themselves well |
| 23:26 |
sofar |
and they don't want to maintain it |
| 23:26 |
sofar |
after all, they maintain servers, not code |
| 23:26 |
sofar |
so there's the conflict, right there |
| 23:26 |
sofar |
lots of talking, nobody coding :) |
| 23:27 |
shivajiva |
not enough background info is passed to understand dev and support you guys |
| 23:27 |
sofar |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1485 |
| 23:29 |
sofar |
I .. can't even see any disagreement, but it looks like it's just talk (and no code) |
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| 23:32 |
paramat |
shivajiva c55's roadmap posts: http://c55.me/blog/?p=1491 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9177 |
| 23:33 |
shivajiva |
thanks :) |
| 23:33 |
shivajiva |
wb Shara |
| 23:33 |
Shara |
thanks |
| 23:35 |
Shara |
sofar: just for the record - if I thought there was a chance of officially getting some kind of base game for servers added, I'd love to help with it. But every time the topic comes up, it seems to just go in circles. |
| 23:35 |
sofar |
very much aware of that |
| 23:35 |
Shara |
and I don't really have the time to invest in something that big if it doesn't have official backing and a strong chance of getting somewhere |
| 23:36 |
sofar |
and, painfully so, since other than making a new fork today I have no idea how else to resolve it going forward |
| 23:36 |
Shara |
That's the other thing, a lot of people seem to disagree on what it should be |
| 23:37 |
Shara |
if those issues could be figured out, I'd be happy to help in whatever way I can |
| 23:39 |
shivajiva |
seems it was done like that before and ended up merging back skimming it but if it is the most logical way of improving both sides I'll support it |
| 23:39 |
nore |
sofar: I have one idea to go forward a bit: finish entity_ai and let's merge it :p |
| 23:39 |
Shara |
I guess the trouble is maintaining something |
| 23:39 |
sofar |
nore: sure sure |
| 23:40 |
sofar |
the refactor gave it a good push in the right direction |
| 23:40 |
sofar |
not sure what I should tackle next |
| 23:40 |
Shara |
but without official support, it'sa pointless exercise to even try |
| 23:40 |
sofar |
probably more driver code (water movement, flying, victim finder) |
| 23:40 |
* benrob0329 |
says "biom decorations style spawning" under his breath, and then disapears |
| 23:40 |
nore |
we definitely need some kind of logic/circuits after that in _game |
| 23:41 |
sofar |
benrob0329: in my design, spawning and keeping entity state is done in a separate mod entirely |
| 23:41 |
sofar |
there's a mod to drive the monsters |
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| 23:41 |
sofar |
and there's a mod to spawn/save/restore them |
| 23:41 |
nore |
not something too big like mesecons but we need something :) |
| 23:41 |
benrob0329 |
Pressure plates, wires, torches |
| 23:41 |
sofar |
nore: I think we've got enough experience to make something now :) |
| 23:41 |
nore |
sofar: heh |
| 23:42 |
sofar |
I'm thinking something voltage level based, though, with cabling using connected nodeboxes |
| 23:42 |
sofar |
maybe even real voltage circuit emulation |
| 23:42 |
sofar |
and, no free power |
| 23:42 |
nore |
that would be good |
| 23:42 |
benrob0329 |
and how does that open a door? |
| 23:42 |
sofar |
voltage based |
| 23:42 |
benrob0329 |
Piston (not in the mc sense) |
| 23:42 |
benrob0329 |
? |
| 23:42 |
sofar |
more like MC than mesecons |
| 23:43 |
sofar |
but not redstone |
| 23:43 |
sofar |
we'd have an actual battery I think |
| 23:43 |
benrob0329 |
I mean like a piston enablrd door, allowing you to open it with some power |
| 23:43 |
nore |
^ however something that allows pressure plate+door combo would be good I think |
| 23:43 |
sofar |
pistons, doors are just voltage/current consumers |
| 23:43 |
nore |
it's one of the most widely used features of mesecons |
| 23:44 |
sofar |
well, one could insert a battery in a node to generate power |
| 23:44 |
sofar |
copper + iron + potato == battery |
| 23:44 |
paramat |
i'm ok with the adding of a new base game, could help out obviously with mapgen stuff, but too busy to do more than that |
| 23:44 |
nore |
:D |
| 23:44 |
sofar |
(I'm not joking) |
| 23:45 |
benrob0329 |
A switch would be good as well, something that can allow builders to automate things |
| 23:45 |
* nore |
is thinking about what a more serious recipe could be |
| 23:45 |
sofar |
paramat: the thing is, taking the `server` out of minetest_game is easy. But who's going to take care of the `server` then? |
| 23:45 |
sofar |
honestly I wouldn't. |
| 23:46 |
benrob0329 |
^ |
| 23:46 |
sofar |
idk, I'd be up for fixing bugs and help people maintaining it |
| 23:47 |
sofar |
but I doubt I'll spend a lot of time making it cute |
| 23:47 |
sofar |
you can easily guilt me into writing a ton of code |
| 23:47 |
sofar |
just look at the timer class I wrote this morning |
| 23:47 |
cheapie |
I don't know if I'm doing this wrong or not, but I have "checkbox[0.75,5.5;timestamps;Show Timestamps;false]" in a formspec, and I'm not getting a "timestamps" value in the received fields whether the box is checked or not. |
| 23:47 |
sofar |
(all because wuzzy complained about minetest.after, lol) |
| 23:47 |
cheapie |
The other fields in the same formspec are working. |
| 23:47 |
Shara |
I'd hope it owuldn't be 'too' difficult to maintain, since (and here's where people will disagree...), in my opinion it should be mroe or less a reduced version of MTG |
| 23:48 |
Shara |
wouldn't* |
| 23:48 |
sofar |
anyway, I'm giving up on trying to do real work today |
| 23:48 |
* sofar |
drives home |
| 23:48 |
Shara |
travel safe :) |
| 23:49 |
benrob0329 |
A reduced version of mtg? |
| 23:49 |
benrob0329 |
What woyld be left? |
| 23:50 |
benrob0329 |
Dirt? |
| 23:50 |
Shara |
heh |
| 23:50 |
Shara |
Well that's where everyone will argue :) |
| 23:50 |
benrob0329 |
Dirt vs Stone |
| 23:50 |
benrob0329 |
Or should it be cobble |
| 23:50 |
cheapie |
benrob0329: Mese :P |
| 23:50 |
Shara |
Mapgen (stuff in default) should definitely be included as is, I'd say. |
| 23:51 |
benrob0329 |
Ditto |
| 23:51 |
nore |
leave only pb&j pup |
| 23:51 |
Shara |
nore wins |
| 23:52 |
Shara |
We can't surpass that idea :) |
| 23:52 |
benrob0329 |
No, the nyan cat |
| 23:53 |
cheapie |
"The what cat?" |
| 23:53 |
paramat |
markubu has been considering a base game |
| 23:54 |
benrob0329 |
And then MTG can have more added? |
| 23:54 |
Jordach |
or just go whole hog and give me a damn hand ;) |
| 23:55 |
benrob0329 |
Minimal should probably have mapgen and base tools |
| 23:55 |
Shara |
base game should be minimal content and intended for server owners to build on, whereas MTG can then be the all out singleplayer full game experience |
| 23:56 |
Shara |
Jordach: your game wouldn't be compatible with any of the things I am already working on sadly |
| 23:56 |
Jordach |
Shara, porting is straight forward |
| 23:56 |
Shara |
and, I actually dislike your colour choices, which is sad, since I otherwise do like what I've seen :P |
| 23:56 |
Jordach |
the porting work for farming+ was a piece of cake |
| 23:57 |
Shara |
either way, looks like you're aiming for a real game, not a base game |
| 23:57 |
Jordach |
Shara, perhaps minetest needs it's killer game |
| 23:57 |
benrob0329 |
Jordach: I would help, but I can barely find time to do one mod |
| 23:58 |
Shara |
I'd be happy to see more games either way |
| 23:58 |
Jordach |
benrob0329, Shara: go to issues and just write things |
| 23:58 |
Jordach |
ideas, enhancements |
| 23:58 |
Jordach |
go for it |
| 23:58 |
benrob0329 |
Non laggy carts :-) |
| 23:59 |
Jordach |
h u e |
| 23:59 |
Shara |
Jordach: If I start staring at solar plains, I am going to want to use pieces of it for one of my own projects, which doesn't help you much :P |
| 23:59 |
Jordach |
Shara, likewise |
| 23:59 |
Jordach |
it's all modular |
| 23:59 |
nore |
^ client-side modding should be able to do the non-laggy carts :) |
| 23:59 |
nore |
(when a bit more developped that now) |
| 23:59 |
Shara |
Jordach: what license are you using for things? |
| 23:59 |
Jordach |
DILLIGAF |
