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sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/0fecd24758f0693cd757566dbcf72b10c7bb6c34 good commit |
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[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> The scavenging is real |
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sfan5 |
is the description of game mods even visible anywhere in the menu? content tab doesn't show game mods and the "configure mods" tab shows no descriptions |
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celeron55 |
that's how you learn git |
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celeron55 |
(i had never used git before MT) |
| 12:09 |
celeron55 |
and for the first half year (or year? can't remember) MT used mercurial, and was only then migrated to git |
| 12:09 |
celeron55 |
wild times |
| 12:10 |
celeron55 |
and yes, it was hosted back then on bitbucket, not github |
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celeron55 |
back then, there still was competition between version control systems |
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Topic for #minetest-dev is now Minetest core development and maintenance. FEATURE FREEZE IN EFFECT. Chit-chat goes to #minetest. https://dev.minetest.net/ https://irc.minetest.net/ https://github.com/minetest |
| 15:44 |
dzho |
funny to think about how we see it as a "competition" because of course there are elements to competition to it, but it's not like a race or a contest |
| 15:45 |
dzho |
like, "who is winning the fastener competition: screws or bolts?" |
| 15:46 |
dzho |
Meet the New Kid For Clothing Closure: Move over Snaps, Buttons, and Zippers; Make Way For Velcro! |
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celeron55 |
dzho: well, whether you want it or not, by releasing a software tool you are taking part in the dynamic where users pick a tool which may be yours or may be someone else's. the single-word name for that is competition |
| 18:11 |
dzho |
variety |
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dzho |
diversity |
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* dzho |
shrugs |
| 18:47 |
celeron55 |
it's surprising to me that some big projects are still using mercrial. i looked it up, and e.g. nginx uses it |
| 18:52 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> The way I've heard it, mercurial isn't bad or anything, it's just slightly less powerful and slightly less complicated than git. |
| 19:36 |
celeron55 |
yes it's fine, that's why originally picked it. but that's not enough when git is more popular and more capable |
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dzho |
yeah in no way am I arguing for a switch here :-) |
| 21:20 |
dzho |
Heptapod still seems to be a thing, speaking of mercurial |
| 21:20 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> A switch seems unlikely, but a steam deck seems pretty likely. |
| 21:21 |
dzho |
heh |
| 21:23 |
dzho |
in another direction, I like to catch up occasionally on the Game of Trees (got) re-implementation of git, done under a non-reciprocal license more acceptable to the BSD projects who I can only guess continue to be repelled by git's GPLv2 |
| 21:27 |
dzho |
like, the way this point-of-disagreement manifests leads to some anthropologically-fascinating current practices |
| 21:28 |
dzho |
ie, OpenBSD still uses CVS http://gameoftrees.org/faq.html |
| 21:28 |
dzho |
in short, minetest could have it worse ;-) |
| 21:28 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Yeah, they're pretty much stuck there until got is reliably self-hosting |
| 21:30 |
dzho |
I suppose I could have inferred this without looking it up just now, that Hg, monotone, DARCS are all GPL |
| 21:30 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Considering that the Linux kernel was hosted on bitkeeper for a long time, it's not unprecedented to have software trees hosted on platforms with more restrictive licensing. The level of urgency of fixing that situation just depends on teh project. |
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* dzho |
looks |
| 21:34 |
dzho |
BitKeeper was used 2002-2005. So, the kernel used email patches from 1991-2002? And then git from 2005 until now. |
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* dzho |
watches to see who else this turns to dust |
| 21:34 |
dzho |
s/until/up through/ |
| 21:39 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> sounds plausible |
| 21:39 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> "used email patches" ... they kind of still did even after all that, otherwise git likely wouldn't have so many features related to importing/exporting email patches 😆 |
| 21:49 |
dzho |
celeron55: but you used DVCS of one kind or another from the very beginning? |
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Mantar |
Bitkeeper was an object lesson in why you shouldn't do that |
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sfan5 |
merging #14892, #14895 in 5m |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/14892 -- Android SDK 34 by rubenwardy |
| 22:05 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/14895 -- Rename `minetest.register_async_metatable` to `minetest.register_portable_metatable` by y5nw |
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