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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2023-07-14

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09:40 MTDiscord <luatic> backwards compatibility
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10:08 sfan5 I support getting rid of gradients in Irrlicht's GUI
10:08 sfan5 maybe replace them with a subtle noise but gradients are so 2006
10:39 celeron55 anyone have the link to the screenshots?
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11:20 Desour I think we should not force new button styles on formspecs. content creators should decide about the looks of their games, not the engine. there should therefore imo rather be a new style option for button that makes non-gradient buttons available, so that users can choose both
11:25 Desour as for the default and the style used in mainmenu: I kinda like the current button style and got used to it I guess, and I haven't yet heard objective arguments against them. but if the new style looks nice, and looks *clickable*, making it the default might be reasonable
11:26 celeron55 i think it makes sense to alternate the main menu style once in a while even just for the sake of freshness
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11:31 celeron55 it's also a good way to present the new style options to games
11:32 rubenwardy Content creators can already style their games, this is just changing the default
11:33 rubenwardy Obviously, we should make the default style as ugly as possible so that they change it
11:34 celeron55 that's the web browser approach. you'd think the defaults would be made to look good but instead they look the absolute worst possible imaginable
11:38 Desour rubenwardy: is the style mentioned before already available though?
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11:44 rubenwardy you can already use `style_type[button;border=false]` to remove the gradient
11:44 rubenwardy If the flat buttons thing completely removes the gradient from irrlicht, then to readd it you'll need to use bgimg with 9 slice
11:49 MTDiscord <rollerozxa> I suppose "make it ugly to make people change it" makes sense but the issue is that the main menu (and the non-formspec dialogs that are impossible to style) will use these ugly defaults, no matter how well games are able to style their own formspecs
11:49 MTDiscord <rollerozxa> the main menu should be reasonably generic of course, but that doesn't mean it has to be ugly
11:50 rubenwardy the main menu can and should be styled    redesign when?
11:55 MTDiscord <rollerozxa> anyways about the gradientless buttons, this is how they look like in rollertest and how they look when colourised
11:55 MTDiscord <rollerozxa> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163566800633906/1129380540903084144/Screenshot_20230714-1350252.png
12:35 Desour merging  #13640 and  #13661 in 5
12:35 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13640 -- [NOSQUASH] TouchScreenGUI refactor by srifqi
12:35 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13661 -- Fix sound manager not being stepped by GUIEngine by Desour
12:36 Desour oops wrong number
12:36 Desour #13647 and #13661
12:36 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13647 -- Improve messages when changing viewing range and exceeding server-set limit by grorp
12:36 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13661 -- Fix sound manager not being stepped by GUIEngine by Desour
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13:55 srifqi hello. merging #13640 in 5 minutes
13:55 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13640 -- [NOSQUASH] TouchScreenGUI refactor by srifqi
14:00 srifqi done
14:05 srifqi oh. are those commits' title fine or should it be prefixed with "TouchScreenGUI: "?
14:05 srifqi i completely forgot about that
14:12 sfan5 🤷
14:13 sfan5 ROllerozxa: the button border should be fixed to be consistent on all sides then too
14:15 srifqi the changed/touched files already tell the story (that only TouchScreenGUI is affected), though
14:57 rubenwardy would be interested in seeing a version with a slight bevel
14:57 rubenwardy rather than an outline
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16:28 Zughy[m] Don't complicate their lives
16:32 Zughy[m] If someone wants to try a bevel, they're free to submit a PR I guess. Also, is the settings menu gonna be modified before 5.8? The fact I have to press twice to actually open the settings is.. Not nice
16:33 rubenwardy that's another thing rollerozxa could PR
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