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| 01:58 |
erle |
i have realized dealing with minetest development may be bad for my mental health. the reason is not because my recent contribution <https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/12592> is not welcome – but rather because i have reflected upon earlier behaviour of a-certain-coredev-that-does-not-want-to-be-highlighted towards me and others: denying that bugs even exist, suggesting workarounds that make things work or do not work |
| 01:58 |
erle |
, not even trying to understand some things yet having some strong opinions, trying to block others from contributing useful things. i suspect that this behaviour is either intended to drive away casual contributors (see: “management by perkele”) or that it is as side effect of toxic brogrammer culture (e.g. “if you can deliver results, you are allowed to be a dick”). i do not think that it is worth to try changin |
| 01:58 |
erle |
g this: projects like systemd and suckless (“make unix great again” with all of the implications) have proven that it is possible to deliver software even if the developers tolerate arrogant jerk behaviour. but if any of my friends acted like the-coredev-who-must-not-be-over to literally anyone and kept doing that after being called out, i would end the friendship on short notice. |
| 02:04 |
erle |
i am not the only one having such an opinion. as far as i am aware, others have done so, some months or even several years back. i have seen these kind of complaints being dismissed multiple times. this is not good. if anyone has a list of viable forks (not multicraft) that do not tolerate insults or devs having opnions without even interested in learning about a topic, please contact me in a query. |
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| 02:48 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> pretty sure there are no viable forks |
| 02:48 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> there are similar projects tho |
| 02:48 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> veloren for onw |
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| 03:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You are very unlikely to find a project where only non-devs having opinions is the accepted norm. |
| 03:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you do, though, I might be among those interested to hear about it, even if potentially just for curiosity's sake :-) |
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| 06:58 |
rubenwardy |
would be nice to fix all the particle warnings |
| 06:59 |
rubenwardy |
"doesn't add warnings" should be part of the PR merge criteria |
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| 09:28 |
sfan5 |
I agree but I always forget to look at the CI output |
| 09:28 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: here's another one http://codepad.org/kcJZ2P9j |
| 09:28 |
sfan5 |
the fix is kinda stupid but what are you gonna do |
| 09:29 |
MTDiscord |
<!~ ? Λtlantλs~!> hmm |
| 09:29 |
sfan5 |
for completeness sake: kilbith suggested it a few days ago |
| 09:33 |
Goobax[m]1 |
MTDiscord: quoi |
| 09:33 |
MTDiscord |
<!~ ? Λtlantλs~!> feur |
| 09:33 |
Goobax[m]1 |
stp |
| 09:42 |
rubenwardy |
warnings should probably be disabled in minetest/lib and irrlicht includes |
| 09:43 |
rubenwardy |
set_source_files_properties(src/libs/jsoncpp.cpp PROPERTIES COMPILE_FLAGS -w) |
| 09:43 |
sfan5 |
we can fix warnings in irrlicht ourselves |
| 09:44 |
sfan5 |
and jsoncpp having deprecating warnings in their own code is their fault and also fixable |
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| 11:38 |
rubenwardy |
merging #12615 and #12604 in 10 |
| 11:38 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12615 -- Fix some warnings by rubenwardy |
| 11:38 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12604 -- Fix Android blank screen by rollerozxa |
| 11:38 |
rubenwardy |
oh I should probably test that latter one |
| 11:38 |
rubenwardy |
would be a good idea :/ |
| 11:42 |
sfan5 |
while you're at it check that #12613 doesn't happen by default |
| 11:42 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12613 -- Shader failed to generate |
| 11:43 |
ROllerozxa |
probably does not, android uses OGLES1 by default which does not even have the option for shaders |
| 11:43 |
ROllerozxa |
...I guess this is also why OGLES2 hasn't become the default yet |
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| 13:07 |
rubenwardy |
KDE have an initiative called "15 minute bugs" where they prioritise the bugs you might stumble across in the first 15 minutes, thought that was interesting |
| 13:38 |
sfan5 |
bug: the entire main menu |
| 13:40 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 13:40 |
rubenwardy |
I believe GreenXenith is nearly done fixing that |
| 13:52 |
rubenwardy |
https://pointieststick.com/2022/01/18/the-15-minute-bug-initiative/ |
| 14:26 |
schwarzwald[m] |
sfan5: If you set -Werror on one of the CI builds you would know when a warning was introduced on that build. |
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| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
At freenode live 2018, I had the opportunity to try out an early version of KDE Plasma. I crashed it in about 20 seconds, a bit less than 15 minutes |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
or maybe it was an indev version |
| 15:30 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, plasma was released in 2014. So it would have been ages ago |
| 15:31 |
Krock |
does Minetest crash for you in the first 15 minutes? |
| 15:32 |
rubenwardy |
depends what I'm doing, not normally. But there are non-crash bugs and sticking points |
| 15:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Depending on the mod, or game yes |
| 15:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Depending on how fast you restart a world on windows, yes |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12605#issuecomment-1198722445 |
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| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
I have made a branch that uses SDL GameController instead of Irrlicht Joysticks for better controller support. However, when I start Minetest it disconnects my controller. Other games using SDL work fine, although I have had disconnects before. I use a chinese adapter and an xbox 360 controller. Any idea on steps to debug? Ie: log files to look at |
| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
I think it's probably a hardware issue being aggrevated in some way |
| 16:17 |
rubenwardy |
when I open Minetest, the controller shows as disconnected and I need to unplug and plug the adapter for it to work again |
| 16:23 |
sfan5 |
I say there's a bug in your code ;-) |
| 16:23 |
Krock |
if other SDL games work, then it's probably some initialization order issue |
| 16:24 |
rubenwardy |
Processes shouldn't be able to disconnect the controller like that |
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| 21:30 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: fyi if you wanted rc windows builds last week you could have pulled them from gitlab |
| 21:30 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 21:31 |
rubenwardy |
I got a bit distracted with the broken Android build |
| 21:32 |
sfan5 |
gitlab mirroring seems to have broken exactly on the day of the translation update |
| 21:32 |
sfan5 |
wtf? |
| 21:34 |
rubenwardy |
force push? |
| 21:34 |
rubenwardy |
that sometimes breaks it |
| 21:34 |
rubenwardy |
it doesn't like resetting, so if you force push after if has synced then it can break |
| 21:36 |
sfan5 |
i'll manually push the latest ref, let's see what happens |
| 21:38 |
sfan5 |
https://0x0.st/oe-U.png no pipelines for me |
| 21:39 |
sfan5 |
this is a joke honestly, credit cards are rare in my country and I would probably have to pay extra to get one from my bank |
| 21:39 |
sfan5 |
people tout gitlab as a github alternative but between the sluggish javascript ui and shit like this I can't say I'm very interested |
| 21:41 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> not sure about ci, but would recommend gitea over gitlab |
| 21:42 |
sfan5 |
that's for self-hosting |
| 21:42 |
sfan5 |
anyway don't let my short rant distract you |
| 21:43 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> codeburg, or git.minetest.land, can be used |
| 21:43 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> *codeberg |
| 21:44 |
rubenwardy |
Literally never needed to do that - it's probably because it's a mirror without any actual user activity, so maybe it thinks it's a bot |
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| 21:45 |
rubenwardy |
oh, I think it might just be your account. I can trigger a gitlab build |
| 21:45 |
rubenwardy |
I also use gitlab for my own projects so less likely to be classified as a bot |
| 21:46 |
rubenwardy |
yeah "Pipeline failed because the user is not verified" |
| 21:47 |
rubenwardy |
(also, when US companies ask for a credit card they often allow a debit card) |
| 21:48 |
rubenwardy |
(not that it excuses this) |
| 21:49 |
sfan5 |
they probably added this for all new accounts around the time the "lets cryptomine in free CI" craze happened |
| 21:50 |
rubenwardy |
yeah makes sense |
| 22:11 |
rubenwardy |
gitlab: XInput not found |
| 22:12 |
sfan5 |
I might have forgotten to add it |
| 22:13 |
sfan5 |
swap out xxf86vm for xi in package lines you find |
| 22:26 |
kilbith |
would est31 be rehabilitated as a core-dev if he comes back? |
| 22:26 |
kilbith |
he said "maybe" |
| 22:27 |
rubenwardy |
probably. Would need to contact c55 |
| 22:32 |
rubenwardy |
would be nice to have them back |
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| 22:37 |
kilbith |
I'm trying to convince est31 that MT can be a strong job's vector |
| 22:37 |
kilbith |
it's important to understand that not everyone is interested to dedicate time just for the praises |
| 22:40 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> How? |
| 22:41 |
kilbith |
the scientific community is already aware of Minetest thanks (partly) to the CERN contribution |
| 22:42 |
kilbith |
they are interested to use Minetest for neurosciences, like what I'm doing right now |
| 22:42 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Yes? |
| 22:43 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Oh, to study behavior? |
| 22:43 |
kilbith |
yes |
| 22:43 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> They would need lots of willing participants, tho, right? |
| 22:44 |
kilbith |
I am currently working on a project where the french jobseekers will be analysed through Minetest for a public institute |
| 22:44 |
kilbith |
that means thousands of users |
| 22:49 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Wait, what? 'If you want a job with us, play minetest and we will evaluate your behavior' kind of thing? |
| 22:49 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Thats a new one |
| 22:52 |
kilbith |
not it's not new, I also made neuroscientific tools for use in schools in the past |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Interesting |
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