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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2021-11-05

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10:13 sfan5 pushing http://sprunge.us/wV1MMf?diff in 5m
10:34 erlehmann sfan5 do you not make a PR for this?
10:34 sfan5 no, why would I?
10:36 erlehmann ah, i forgot minetest has no mandatory reviews
10:36 erlehmann i mean, only for feature stuff in main repo, right?
10:36 erlehmann not for typo
10:36 sfan5 there is reviews for everything except for small bugfixes
10:37 erlehmann btw if you tag something low priority, does it mean “too much effort to put much work into to fix it” or “too unimportant to put much work into to fix it”
10:37 erlehmann ?
10:38 erlehmann bc i think depending on issue it could be either
10:39 sfan5 or just "it's not important if this isn't fixed soon"
10:53 erlehmann ok
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13:51 erlehmann <Fleckenstein> the entire irrlicht situation would be better if irrlichtmt was included as a submodule
13:51 erlehmann <Fleckenstein> this way, when doing a bisect on the minetest repo, the irrlicht commit that suits that particular minetest commit would be selected automatically
13:51 erlehmann i have suggested this before
13:51 erlehmann why is it not done?
13:54 dzho I don't know but I wonder how adept at using submodules people tend to be.
13:58 specing because minetest is now an engine and you can't have an engine depending on an engine to still be called an engine. Got it?
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14:12 rubenwardy nothing has changed in that regard
14:13 rubenwardy the real reason is that other devs don't like submodules
14:13 rubenwardy and they are annoying to deal with
14:28 MTDiscord <savilli> submodules are annoying indeed
14:29 MTDiscord <savilli> i wouldn't mind if irrlichtmt was included in main repo as if
14:29 MTDiscord <savilli> just like lua
14:49 erlehmann rubenwardy i agree that other devs are annoying to deal with
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15:08 MTDiscord <savilli> nah they're cool
15:09 erlehmann savilli it was a jokuss
15:09 MTDiscord <Sublayer plank> lol
15:13 MTDiscord <Jonathon> is https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11756 something that can be marked with possible close?
15:22 erlehmann so about submodules, what's annoying about them? i might be able to provide a workaround (think, post-checkout hook)
15:23 MTDiscord <Jonathon> github zip download doesnt support them btw
15:23 MTDiscord <josiah_wi> A proposed solution and an offer to implement it! 9/10
15:24 MTDiscord <josiah_wi> Arguably git zip download is the wrong way to get source code. I'm not sure why that feature even exists.
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15:25 MTDiscord <Jonathon> useful for non tech people
15:26 MTDiscord <Sublayer plank> yeah
15:26 MTDiscord <Jonathon> arguably you could say people getting source should know something, but thats only true for complied langauges, something like python/lua downloading and running is the most they can do
15:28 MTDiscord <josiah_wi> Is it too much to ask for people who want to compile Minetest from source to learn basic git usage? I like your argument for Python/Lua, but Minetest is compiled, and there's the IrrlichtMt fiasco anyway, so its not like downloading the zip even works out of the box rn.
15:29 MTDiscord <josiah_wi> Absorbing IrrlichtMt into Minetest like Savilli suggested would solve that, of course.
15:29 MTDiscord <Jonathon> absorbing it now can lead to problems
15:29 MTDiscord <Jonathon> i think its better to keep it separate while its cut down/rewritten and the remains can be merged into mte
15:30 MTDiscord <Jonathon> any which way you dice it you will have issues
15:32 erlehmann well, adding it as a submodule literally doesn't do anything if you don't use submodules
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16:25 erlehmann uh could it be that support for A1G5G5B5 (a.k.a. 1 bit alpha, 5 bits each RGB) is broken?
16:25 erlehmann maybe a driver issue
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16:38 MTDiscord <josiah_wi> Did git bisect get anywhere yet?
16:38 erlehmann oh no, my error
16:38 erlehmann alpha was 0
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18:20 Fleckenstein is there a specific reason some people seem to be able to access this channel from MTDiscord but I can't?
18:21 MTDiscord <Sublayer plank> to speak in #minetest-dev from discord you need to have the regular role or higher
18:22 Fleckenstein hmm ok why tho i think it used to be different?
18:29 MTDiscord <Jonathon> no idea, always been that way
18:30 MTDiscord <Jonathon> i believe its this way to proxy mirror irc, not sure if channels have there rules on how you chat (no irc web clients, +v in hub, etc)
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22:26 MTDiscord <exe_virus> I didn't understand git until I worked a job professionally in the industry
22:26 MTDiscord <exe_virus> And used GitHub zip download religiously
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22:54 MTDiscord <SX> Same, I only understood SVN :p
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