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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Maybe more coders need to be inspired to do competitive programming. That's where I learned git. |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> We would be more inspired if the challenges were more fun, they're always super technical |
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erlehmann |
programming is not fun |
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erlehmann |
getting results is |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> programming is fun |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> programming is fun |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> otherwise there would be EVEN LESS software developers haha |
| 12:42 |
celeron55_ |
about irrlichtmt as a submodule: what actually are the arguments against it? clearly it would allow keeping track of compatible commits in an automated way and also clearly it doesn't pollute the the minetest repo with "unstripped" parts of irrlicht as it's basically a mapping of git refs |
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celeron55_ |
and also clearly you don't have to use it if you don't want to, you can use the current workflow if you like |
| 12:44 |
celeron55_ |
github doesn't fully support submodules (eg. the zip downloads), but that part would just stay unchanged from now |
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sfan5 |
one is that you'd have to keep making commits to update the revision |
| 12:47 |
sfan5 |
but if there's an alternative for the user to choose (and you'd only bump on every tagged release) that's not an issue |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Well aren't we merging the two code bases in a few months anyways? |
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MTDiscord |
<SolarShrine> hello, can someone tell me why is BS defined as 10.0f? i don't get the comment: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/constants.h#L74 |
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sfan5 |
fundamentally it could be any value like 5.0 or 20.0 |
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MTDiscord |
<SolarShrine> well then, perhaps a better question would be why BS exists at all? |
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MTDiscord |
<SolarShrine> i'm not clear what purpose it has other than being a magic number |
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sfan5 |
like the comment says it was supposed make people remember to not cast between number types but use a special helpers |
| 13:07 |
sfan5 |
it has come with a number of kludges however so in hindsight BS can be called a mistake |
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erlehmann |
“but if there's an alternative for the user to choose” → sfan5 if you do not use “git submodule init”, all will be like before (except additional commits, but if your commit does not cleanly compile without updating the dependency, that's on you and you should amend it) |
| 13:08 |
sfan5 |
erlehmann: I know |
| 13:09 |
sfan5 |
just that "either you use the submodule or the project won't build" would not be an alternative (this is not the case here) |
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MTDiscord |
<SolarShrine> i see. thanks for clarifying, i'm pretty new to C++ overall |
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erlehmann |
sfan5 how about “"either you use the submodule or you do it the old way and find out by yourself with which version of irrlichtmt this compiles” |
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erlehmann |
i mean the current state is pretty much the worst i have ever seen in any project |
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erlehmann |
(that maintains its own library) |
| 13:25 |
erlehmann |
there is literally no way to figure out what might compile |
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erlehmann |
and that's why there are the complaints |
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sfan5 |
factually incorrect |
| 13:26 |
erlehmann |
“worst i have ever seen”, have i seen worse? |
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erlehmann |
btw, i'd love to hear from someone who is actually against submodules. maybe those ppl can speak out. |
| 13:27 |
erlehmann |
bc i think we all know second-hand what arguments exist |
| 13:27 |
erlehmann |
if no one is making them, the decision may be easier |
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sfan5 |
a given commit works with the most recent irrmt tag (at that time) and the most recent irrmt commit (at that time) |
| 13:27 |
sfan5 |
not convenient or easy but not "literally no way" |
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erlehmann |
it may compile, but there are commits that don't work correctly depending on the version of irrmt |
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erlehmann |
sfan5 i retract my statement and replace it with “no way other than brute-forcing it” |
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erlehmann |
(starting with commits around the same time) |
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sfan5 |
that is also factually incorrect |
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sfan5 |
CI literally builds every commit with an irrlichtmt version defined in its scripts |
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sfan5 |
which is as close to 'officially supported combination' you can get |
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sfan5 |
anyway when it was first proposed I was against submodules because then the end result would have been that checking out the submodule is the only option to get it to build |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I'm for submodules in general, though it does make dev slightly more error prone |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> But I'm not a core dev, so shrug |
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erlehmann |
does there exist an issue for submodules? |
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sfan5 |
don't think so |
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sfan5 |
or actually, yes but it'll be closed |
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sfan5 |
#11264 sort of |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11264 -- Add IrrlichtMt to minetest repo |
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erlehmann |
actually merging irrlichtmt would be the worst you could do (due to the -200k lines commit) |
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sfan5 |
It will be committed without history when it's ready |
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erlehmann |
breaking git blame |
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erlehmann |
well i hope there will be a PR |
| 13:51 |
erlehmann |
so about the thing with the white/black textures, anyone willing to look into it? |
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erlehmann |
should i link the actual files here? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11146#issuecomment-962294459 |
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erlehmann |
about the same model of a boat – one works, one trigger the bug |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Nice, it will be brought in, that's good news. We could leave up irrlichtMT for git blame reasons |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> There are way too many confirmed unconfirmed bugs: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Unconfirmed+bug%22 |
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erlehmann |
luatic schrödinger's bug |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Take https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/10383, the earliest "Unconfirmed bug", for instance |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> It's a bug everybody who ever worked with semitransparent particles can confirm |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> There even exists a bugfix PR for it, yet it's still tagged as "unconfirmed" |
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sfan5 |
the better question is why the reporter (who is a coredev) didn't tag it as bug when they even provided clear proof of it being a bug |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Good question. Either way, way too many confirmed bugs are still mistagged as "unconfirmed". |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Probably the majority of them. |
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rubenwardy |
Core devs are still suseptible to silly mistakes |
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rubenwardy |
that's an obvious actual bug though |
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erlehmann |
i think stuff is tagged unconfirmed automatically? |
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rubenwardy |
yeah, it's that by default |
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erlehmann |
can i tag it confirmed by default? |
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erlehmann |
hehe |
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erlehmann |
can anyone tag issues? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> no |
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