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| 00:20 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I believe this build takes over an hour on my old laptop. |
| 00:23 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> That's just the server; no client. |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Thoughts on adding a social tab to mine test engine? Specifically an IRC connection to #minetest and #minetest-hub? |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> like, an embedded irc client right into the engine? |
| 06:43 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Tbh, that seems like the definition of bloat |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> what is this, osu? ? |
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pgimeno |
there was a SL third-party viewer with an IRC client; it was removed in a subsequent version. I liked it myself, but yeah, it's bloat. |
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| 16:22 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Wow, so I started using native linux for MT development today. Vscode extensions make compiling and debuging so easy, just wow. |
| 16:22 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> It has me thinking, how do you all work with Minetest? what editor, what debug system, etc? |
| 16:24 |
sfan5 |
Linux, vscode with the C++ extension |
| 16:25 |
sfan5 |
debugging using printf or gdb |
| 16:25 |
sfan5 |
oh and also I build in the terminal by running make |
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| 16:31 |
rubenwardy |
Linux with CLion. Couldn't manage to set up intellisense for C++ in vscode |
| 16:32 |
rubenwardy |
I have a free license for jetbrains through the minetest project |
| 16:35 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> gotcha, vscode intellisense seems to be working well? still figuring that part out. Cmake tools extension build and debug work well for me (shift alt p "build") |
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| 16:39 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> hurm, if not an IRC client, then maybe someone should make an IRC game? is that possible? |
| 16:39 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> or maybe just an IRC mod so that you can bring up a formspec and use IRC in any game |
| 16:39 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> maybe even a CSM |
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| 16:48 |
pgimeno |
there's already an IRC mod that bridges inworld stuff with IRC |
| 16:49 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Cool, just gotta rework it into a CSM and I'll be a happy camper:) |
| 16:50 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I want our players to get engaged with mine test modders and engine devs more, that's how you grow a community in a sticky way |
| 16:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> it would help if minetest had first class socket support |
| 16:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/10120 |
| 17:48 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> When I go to update the author in a .cpp file in minetest src, specifically GuiEngine.cpp, what author do we use? |
| 17:48 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> currently it's 2013 sapier |
| 17:49 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> thinking 2021 {unknown name} |
| 17:49 |
sfan5 |
source file authors are generally not updated |
| 17:50 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> well, shadowNinja wanted me to update it to get https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11241 merged |
| 17:51 |
sfan5 |
ah |
| 17:51 |
sfan5 |
you created a new file there |
| 17:51 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> true, haha. whats the author in those cases? |
| 17:51 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> (my bad, forgot I made it 3 months ago) |
| 17:52 |
sfan5 |
2021 and your preferred nickname |
| 17:53 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> kk, thank you for the help, dev has been delightfully responsive of late |
| 17:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> speaking of that PR, is that something that realistically could make 5.5 or no? |
| 17:58 |
sfan5 |
currently just about anything can still make it for 5.5 |
| 17:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ah, i thought stuff was getting tagged for 5.5 |
| 18:00 |
sfan5 |
I say that because there is no known timeframe for a feature freeze |
| 18:00 |
sfan5 |
so if you can convince devs early enough any PR could make it |
| 18:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ah, makes sense, thank you |
| 18:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> im interested in the above PR, but mainly im interested in the allface one that recently was split in two for 5.5 |
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| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
exe_virus: your name |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
the copyright notices is lists the major authors |
| 18:26 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> kk, I used ExeVirus |
| 18:26 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> thanks |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
we could alternatively use "Minetest contributors" |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
or something like that |
| 18:26 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> probably should honestly |
| 18:26 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> git blame takes care of "who done this" |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Linux, command line. |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> yikes, debugger? |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> gdb/valgrind |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> kk |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> you're just more talented than I. or patient |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I grew up coding with a text editor. |
| 18:28 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> It's just something I've always done so I'm used to it. |
| 18:28 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Intellisense is really important to me now (I did text editor programming for 8 years, not going back yuck) |
| 18:28 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> F12 too powerful, haha |
| 18:28 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> VSCode is definitely more efficient for coding, I think. It's complicated enough though that I'd have to learn how to use the tool before I'd get much gain from it. |
| 18:29 |
Pexin |
@exe_virus: xubuntu, codelite, cmake. but I'm not a heavy coder these days so don't listen to me. |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
I grew up coding with a text editor too but I wouldn't want to miss instantly jumping to function definition/implementation and function completion now |
| 18:29 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> thanks pexin, just trying to get a feel around here, I'm wondering if we should have a normative thing on the minetest readme or the dev wiki for helping people get a slick setup |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
vscode is not complicated either, you should give it a try |
| 18:30 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> ^ vscode aint hard to learn, but my work also forced me to learn visual studio in the past year |
| 18:30 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I have no clue how to jump between functions tho. |
| 18:30 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> you will, just right click things |
| 18:30 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> that's how you learn in most MS stuff |
| 18:30 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> On my development computer, it can't really run VSCode lol, so there's that too. |
| 18:30 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> why not? |
| 18:30 |
sfan5 |
I use ctrl+click, also works |
| 18:31 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I've been testing it out now and then on a newer computer. |
| 18:31 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Potato + graphics card issues |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, good code editors are nice |
| 18:31 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> VSCODE? |
| 18:31 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> graphics problems? |
| 18:31 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> it's a text editor? |
| 18:31 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Apps were randomly crashing the computer. |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
jump to source is great, being able to rename things is also awesome |
| 18:31 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> it runs on my parent's 2000 Windows ME computer |
| 18:31 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Discord, VSCode, and 0AD all were apps that crashed it I believe. |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
code --disable-gpu |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
disables hardware acceleration |
| 18:32 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Might work. |
| 18:32 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> yep that'll stop crashes |
| 18:32 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Thank you for the tip! |
| 18:32 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> anyways, I'm surprised I got this much feedback, idea still stands: should we provide a normative guide for newbie contributors getting set up? or just let them bumble around with their own tools like most coding? |
| 18:34 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I think there's quite a lot of variety in what editors people use. When it comes to people learning to code, I think Learn Python the Hard way is a good example. It requests everyone to use a specific editor depending on their OS, and says not to use an IDE (so that they learn the hard way first, for good skills) |
| 18:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> there is a issue for this exe |
| 18:34 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> The editor it recommends for Linux now is GEdit I believe, which is what I learned coding on. |
| 18:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11522 |
| 18:35 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I think newbies will actually get the most benefit out of learning how to use a command line and then migrate to an IDE, but maybe that's just me. |
| 18:38 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> not that kind of newbies, newbies to minetest, not codin |
| 18:39 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I'll make a page for that issue and we can go from there. Give me a bit to write it up |
| 18:39 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Maybe I can be the test subject lol. |
| 18:42 |
Pexin |
when I started in college at intro to cs, we used visual studio. concentrating more on how to write functions than the build process. to this day I can write code and design a class heirarchy fine, but don't know how to create a makefile. |
| 18:44 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> I haven't had a CS class yet, but I imagine it mostly focuses on code and algorithms, not on practical development skills. |
| 18:45 |
Pexin |
josiah_wi: it depends on the institution |
| 18:46 |
Pexin |
also a 2 year cert program will have a different approach than a 4 year degree program |
| 18:46 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Are there any that teach git skills? xD |
| 18:46 |
Pexin |
well one course I had taught us svn as part of software engineering, it was like 15 years ago |
| 18:46 |
Pexin |
so I would guess yes |
| 18:47 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> That sounds like a good course. |
| 18:53 |
Pexin |
8 |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> 7 |
| 19:05 |
sfan5 |
pushing http://sprunge.us/L3XbS2?diff in 10m |
| 19:05 |
sfan5 |
(to MTG) |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Woohoo it's finally done! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11656 |
| 22:23 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Nice! |
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pgimeno |
ooh no more CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH ? |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Yeah, I finally got around to making a proper variable for it. I should've got this ready much sooner, but I'm glad I did get it ready. |
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pgimeno |
sweet! |
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