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crazyR |
Does anyone know if its possible to get player meta data for a player thats offline? |
| 06:35 |
VanessaE |
new bug in 0.4.17 (5.0.0 also? idk). the engine's infinite water routine does not reset the node's param2 when filling in air with water source |
| 06:35 |
sofar |
some stuff is available offline, yes |
| 06:55 |
crazyR |
sofar how would i access it? its not possible to get the player object when the player is offline is it? |
| 07:06 |
VanessaE |
does the engine execute callbacks on a water node when it fills one in during an infinite water update? |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
(e.g. on_construct or whatever) |
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VanessaE |
nevermind.. |
| 07:18 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/stable-0.4/src/map.cpp#L900 |
| 07:19 |
VanessaE |
is why I get the 240 mentioned in #minetest |
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nerzhul |
hey VanessaE #1 |
| 08:21 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome |
| 08:22 |
VanessaE |
? |
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nerzhul |
i just tell your hey but i miss typed on my keyboard :D |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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| 10:39 |
nerzhul |
celeron55, i like the CSM PR, nobody wants to answer you or me about the technical problem in the implementation. it's just drama without technical arguments about implementation or problematic calls. |
| 10:40 |
nerzhul |
celeron55, to answer you we already have restrictions (originally called flavors), added when the first drama occurs. |
| 10:40 |
nerzhul |
celeron55, no more new feature was added to CSM since those restrictions has been added |
| 10:42 |
p_gimeno |
can I make a server to have my users mine bitcoins for me, when csm is complete? |
| 10:44 |
nerzhul |
no |
| 10:44 |
nerzhul |
you can't communicate outside with CSM |
| 10:44 |
nerzhul |
no HTTP or other API will be added |
| 10:44 |
nerzhul |
it's server responsibility to do HTTP calls, not client |
| 10:45 |
nerzhul |
p_gimeno: see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/client_lua_api.txt |
| 10:45 |
nerzhul |
if you want to read the APi |
| 10:46 |
p_gimeno |
does that mean players can't do anything that the server notices? |
| 10:46 |
p_gimeno |
like, move the player? |
| 10:48 |
nerzhul |
you cannot control the player with CSM |
| 10:49 |
nerzhul |
you can only read its attributes |
| 10:49 |
nerzhul |
read the doc i linked |
| 10:49 |
nerzhul |
you have the full API |
| 10:49 |
nerzhul |
i just noticed that restrictions are not mentioned inside it |
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| 10:51 |
p_gimeno |
send_all(message) looks like can send back the results |
| 10:52 |
p_gimeno |
add_particlespawner() can probably send some data as well |
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nerzhul |
send data where ? to irrlicht ? |
| 11:18 |
nerzhul |
send_all(message) is in mod channels ? then it just talk with server to share data |
| 11:19 |
nerzhul |
add_particlespawner just call irrlicht and create a particle spawner client side |
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nerzhul |
it seems some servers owners are not reading the doc again and told me to prove how can i make them creative with CSM, wtf |
| 11:31 |
nerzhul |
on the forum we have better creative users with CSM than on this topic |
| 11:31 |
nerzhul |
maybe i'm rude but it's real... |
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| 12:51 |
rubenwardy |
You could make a csm to bitcoin mine, yes |
| 12:52 |
sfan5 |
monero* |
| 12:52 |
sfan5 |
bitcoins is not feasible to cpu mine |
| 12:52 |
rubenwardy |
Such an application would be banned from cdb |
| 12:52 |
rubenwardy |
Whatever, I couldn't care less about cryptoshit except the damage it causes |
| 12:53 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy how can you do this if you cannot communicate with the blockchain ? |
| 12:53 |
rubenwardy |
Mod channels |
| 12:54 |
nerzhul |
mod channels doesn't permit to discuss outside of the MT server area |
| 12:54 |
nerzhul |
then how do you connect to the blockain ? |
| 12:54 |
nerzhul |
blockchain* |
| 12:54 |
rubenwardy |
You can talk to the server, which can then act as a proxy |
| 12:54 |
nerzhul |
okay, then the server is a rogue server |
| 12:54 |
nerzhul |
and that needs SSCSM |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
Which is the whole point? |
| 12:55 |
nerzhul |
because server must send the code to the client |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
Why would you run a bitcoin miner with cpcsm? |
| 12:55 |
nerzhul |
as no client will download a such CSM mod, except if compromised |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
There's literally no point |
| 12:55 |
nerzhul |
with CPCSM there is no point yes because without server you cannot connect to the blockchain |
| 12:56 |
rubenwardy |
The suggestion was obviously about servers making clients doing this like with js on websites |
| 12:56 |
rubenwardy |
No |
| 12:56 |
rubenwardy |
There's no point because you could just run it more efficiently as it's own process |
| 12:57 |
rubenwardy |
And most players will just click "allow" or "ok" to any dialogs |
| 12:57 |
nerzhul |
like on websites, yes |
| 12:57 |
nerzhul |
(on website we can hide that) |
| 12:57 |
rubenwardy |
Users aren't going to be technical enough to review all the mods they download |
| 12:58 |
nerzhul |
but there is no real issue here, if i remember the specs we won't allow mods > x KB size |
| 12:58 |
rubenwardy |
That also doesn't matter, because of mod channels |
| 12:58 |
nerzhul |
and i think blockchain mods should be heavy in terms of code to calculate |
| 12:58 |
nerzhul |
mod channels are limited in terms of message size |
| 12:59 |
rubenwardy |
You can use multiple messages |
| 12:59 |
nerzhul |
you should chunk data , and due to the MT underlying protocol you will affect the game quality |
| 12:59 |
nerzhul |
but yes i agree technically it can be possible, complicated but possible |
| 13:00 |
nerzhul |
also you can't run code from mod channels you can only serialize data |
| 13:00 |
rubenwardy |
Also |
| 13:00 |
rubenwardy |
[10:42:38] <cddc39p_gimeno> can I make a server to have my users mine bitcoins for me, when csm is complete? |
| 13:00 |
nerzhul |
and if i remember we don't allow to load code from a random data blob |
| 13:00 |
rubenwardy |
They even implied sscsm |
| 13:01 |
rubenwardy |
Has loads and such been removed from the csm API? |
| 13:01 |
nerzhul |
it's more secur ethan SSM on that part |
| 13:01 |
rubenwardy |
You don't need to load from a random data blob , just text |
| 13:01 |
nerzhul |
you can't write/load files for example |
| 13:02 |
nerzhul |
yep but i can't remember if you can run random text , maybe yes due to lua |
| 13:05 |
rubenwardy |
Yes, you can run random text in lua |
| 13:05 |
rubenwardy |
That's what dofile does |
| 13:05 |
rubenwardy |
Dofile opens a file and calls loadstring |
| 13:05 |
nerzhul |
yes, if i remember it's forbidden in CSM |
| 13:05 |
nerzhul |
(do file) |
| 13:06 |
rubenwardy |
However, these functions may not be in the whitelist |
| 13:07 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/5f1cd555cd9d1c64426e173b30b5b792d211c835/src/script/cpp_api/s_security.cpp |
| 13:07 |
nerzhul |
look at initializeSecurityClient |
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rubenwardy |
I can't on my phone |
| 13:08 |
rubenwardy |
I have touched this section recently, so I know how it works |
| 13:08 |
nerzhul |
it's nice to hear |
| 13:08 |
nerzhul |
at least someone who looked at the implementation :p |
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p_gimeno |
Krock: Thanks. I missed the option to add single comment. I thought that was what I was doing. My bad. |
| 20:03 |
Krock |
^^ np |
| 20:04 |
Krock |
just add "til" in front of your sentence and it sounds all natural |
| 20:06 |
p_gimeno |
Krock: did you get my message regarding a trivial fix for a compiler warning in src/util/ieee_float.cpp? |
| 20:06 |
Krock |
wasn't it pushed already? |
| 20:07 |
Krock |
apparently not |
| 20:07 |
Krock |
it's just a warning. will push tomorrow when I've got time |
| 20:08 |
p_gimeno |
thanks |
| 20:08 |
p_gimeno |
it didn't seem worth creating a new issue |
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Krock |
keep on reminding me until I do it l:P |
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Krock |
(if it doesn't happen) |
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