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nerzhul |
it seems justtest is seriously downrated http://servers.minetest.net/ |
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Calinou |
it probably deserves it :P |
| 14:05 |
nerzhul |
i push a trivial code fix https://hastebin.com/gasuvotime.cs |
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nerzhul |
it's absolutely not recommended to do global std::exception instance, exceptions must use a temporary |
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celeron55 |
just hmmmm not knowing how to C++ 8) |
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nerzhul |
his C knowledges are very valuables but all is not good for C++ |
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Zeno` |
To all the people who received Kiraly's latest email, I'm ashamed of you all |
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| 16:38 |
Zeno` |
You stand by letting him make fabricated (i.e. false) accusations against me, freenode and freenode's sponsors without saying a word |
| 16:39 |
Zeno` |
He (Kiraly) is attacking innocent people and the entire FOSS movement and all you can all say is... nothing? |
| 16:40 |
Zeno` |
I'm not even part of this project anymore -- I resigned 2 weeks ago! |
| 16:41 |
Zeno` |
And, yet, you let me and others be the target of Kiraly's lies without saying a word? |
| 16:44 |
Zeno` |
You let him get away with making very, very, very inappropriate statements emailed to VanessaE (she was CCd in the latest email) even though Abe just died? That's disgusting. |
| 16:44 |
Zeno` |
I am appalled to tell you the truth |
| 16:53 |
RobbieF |
(12:40:41 PM) Zeno`: I'm not even part of this project anymore -- I resigned 2 weeks ago! |
| 16:53 |
RobbieF |
So sorry to hear this. All of it really... I am not in the loop as it appears I am not a part of whatever mailing list this is regarding, but I'm saddened to hear such news and am so sorry someone has been attacking valued members of the community. |
| 16:54 |
Zeno` |
shit happens I guess, but this is truly fscked up |
| 16:55 |
RobbieF |
:( |
| 16:55 |
RobbieF |
Just don't let the actions of one person (or even many) get you down. |
| 16:58 |
Zeno` |
oh it's gone WAY beyond just me now |
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| 17:05 |
lisac |
hey, fuck OldCoder. |
| 17:05 |
celeron55 |
he won't listen to anything - it's useless to say anything |
| 17:06 |
lisac |
Hey celeron55 :) |
| 17:06 |
Shara |
That is my problem. I have considered writing something, more than once, especially after certain recent things... But nothing I say could change anything. |
| 17:06 |
celeron55 |
but if it helps, i don't support anything he says or does; it's been beyond stupid for a long time now |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
and all of that will be kept out of the official minetest channels, if it makes you feel better |
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| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
there's just nothing to be done about emails directly sent to people |
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Zeno` |
it makes me feel a little bit better I guess |
| 17:08 |
Zeno` |
ty c55 |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
i receive them too, and frankly i've gotten good at teaching my spam filter |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
which makes me receive them less... |
| 17:09 |
lisac |
I don't know if I should feel left out for not getting daily dose of spam filter feed. |
| 17:09 |
Zeno` |
lisac if you want to read some lies, check out minetest.org |
| 17:10 |
Zeno` |
fascinating reading (of defamation, lies, and fabrications) |
| 17:10 |
lisac |
Zeno`, I might've read that already. |
| 17:11 |
Zeno` |
it's been updated |
| 17:11 |
lisac |
I also did read the communist manifesto. It's an easier read. |
| 17:11 |
lisac |
Hello DDoser group! |
| 17:11 |
celeron55 |
i refuse to read any of it; the only purpose of it is to make people feel bad |
| 17:12 |
celeron55 |
i refuse to watch and read news also |
| 17:12 |
celeron55 |
just one thing to add to the things i don't want to know about |
| 17:12 |
Zeno` |
celeron55, well... he is saying "minetest" is a DDoS group now |
| 17:12 |
Zeno` |
so maybe you should ;) |
| 17:13 |
celeron55 |
why? there's no proof |
| 17:13 |
celeron55 |
and it's untrue anyway |
| 17:13 |
Zeno` |
of course it's untrue |
| 17:13 |
lisac |
celeron55, if zeno tries searching for a job, his employer googles his name |
| 17:14 |
lisac |
then opens up a page saying he is mentally ill |
| 17:14 |
lisac |
what do you think is gonna happen? |
| 17:14 |
lisac |
will he check his sources? |
| 17:14 |
celeron55 |
i can only hope the employer does not |
| 17:15 |
lisac |
yeah, he can only hope too. The thing OldCoder is doing is very illegal |
| 17:19 |
RobbieF |
Yowzers.... |
| 17:19 |
* RobbieF |
does not appear to receive the emails ya'll get. [perhaps thankfully] |
| 17:19 |
* RobbieF |
gives the room a big group hug. |
| 17:20 |
Raven262 |
Oddly enough, even though i have been talking to him a few months back, old coder never mentions me (as he did initially think i was his arch-nemesis cause i once said "hehe"). So i guess i'm happy. |
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| 17:21 |
lisac |
not even me :( The guy left me out... |
| 17:22 |
Raven262 |
He thought you were a professional psychologist or something, right? |
| 17:22 |
Raven262 |
That guy is simply mad, and not in a good sense. |
| 17:22 |
lisac |
B-but he said I was sent to psychologically evaluate him! |
| 17:22 |
lisac |
right? |
| 17:22 |
Raven262 |
Yea |
| 17:23 |
* lisac |
is now playing Demon of the Fall (My Arms, Your Hearse) by Opeth [2:53/6:12] [Playing] [played 4 times] [Metal] |
| 17:23 |
Raven262 |
lisac: wrong channel Oo |
| 17:23 |
lisac |
:O ow |
| 17:23 |
shivajiva |
be grateful that he leaves you out |
| 17:23 |
lisac |
shivajiva, people he insulted can probably sue him if they want to bother with it |
| 17:24 |
lisac |
they would need to prove it is damaging to their lives, which they probably could |
| 17:25 |
lisac |
with either the new job idea, or something like finding new friends. |
| 17:25 |
lisac |
and that whole website looks like rantings of a madman |
| 17:25 |
shivajiva |
sure but then he gets full disclosure, names, addresses etc and can further harass you, it's a known pattern for troll types |
| 17:26 |
shivajiva |
the law fails to protect victims |
| 17:27 |
lisac |
of course; but if you also provide proof of medical illness, you could probably force him get a treatment |
| 17:29 |
shivajiva |
you need to research the backdrop to this :) |
| 17:30 |
tumeninodes |
As far as this topic goes, I just came here to suggest that anyone having issues with said individual, get a free consultation with an attorney over the matter. Bring evidence you have. There has been much harrassment and slander, defamation of character, etc. It does not matter where you live, the laws in this individual's jurisdiction is what matters. I, myself think the newly added remarks related to Vanessa are |
| 17:30 |
tumeninodes |
outright disgusting and disturbing. That isall I will say on the matter. These are personal attacks and individual cases. Interesting note that much of the harrassment toward this group might be of interest to parties which once claimed he harrassed them in the past. There is more than enough proof he is fully capable and willing to do so. You can also approach an attorney and see if they feel these contacts (emails) |
| 17:30 |
tumeninodes |
are worthy case for cease & desist orders, too which he would need to respond (including providing a valid address) etc.. Just contact an attorney if this individual's actions have impacted you in any way, emotionally, mentally, physically, etc.. |
| 17:31 |
lisac |
<OldCoder> Zeno`, I do not understand what you are talking about |
| 17:31 |
lisac |
<OldCoder> You are speaking rubbish in an attempt to harm me |
| 17:31 |
lisac |
that guy went full mental |
| 17:31 |
Zeno` |
huh? |
| 17:31 |
Raven262 |
No, really, you can't say anything to him to prove him wrong. |
| 17:31 |
Raven262 |
He will just twist your words like its nothing. |
| 17:32 |
sfan5 |
the only winning move is not to play |
| 17:32 |
Zeno` |
sfan5, until you're the victum |
| 17:32 |
lisac |
sfan5, yeah if he didn't harm people, that would the only move |
| 17:32 |
Raven262 |
Cause the whole games is of his own design. |
| 17:32 |
Raven262 |
*game |
| 17:33 |
lisac |
I still think he just needs some medical assistance. I mean, look at those texts |
| 17:33 |
lisac |
he thinks there is a conspiracy against him |
| 17:33 |
Zeno` |
the thing is he has orchestrated a campaign of terror not only against minetest (as a project) but individuals and other organisations as well |
| 17:33 |
Raven262 |
Before? |
| 17:33 |
tumeninodes |
This issue should not be discussed on -dev. Each individual needs to handle this on a personal basis. Anyway, Hi all, and bye all heh. see you on -hub :) |
| 17:34 |
Zeno` |
Well, yes, before this. But also in the last two months |
| 17:34 |
tumeninodes |
last word, if done individually, he will be faced with too many fronts |
| 17:34 |
Zeno` |
(2 months roughly) |
| 17:35 |
Zeno` |
the people in the recipient list of his emails know that he is threatening not only the minetest project but freenode |
| 17:36 |
Zeno` |
he is not, apparently, a nice person nor a supporter of FOSS |
| 17:36 |
lisac |
does he really think he has any legal impact? If he takes this to court, he'll need evidence. |
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| 17:37 |
Raven262 |
Which he claims he has, apparently. |
| 17:37 |
Zeno` |
lisac, does it matter? He's published my name and falsely associated me with very serious crimes |
| 17:37 |
Zeno` |
He's also said that that "minetest" is a DDoS group |
| 17:38 |
Shara |
It is quite possible to do huge damage to a group or individuals without taking legal action or even having grounds to do so. |
| 17:38 |
lisac |
no. But the important thing right now is he cannot harm freenode. As for the personal attacks, maybe you should just sue him |
| 17:38 |
lisac |
or consult a lawyer |
| 17:38 |
Shara |
lisac: reputational damage. |
| 17:38 |
lisac |
y it is illegal. |
| 17:39 |
KaadmY |
https://youtu.be/s93KC4AGKnY?t=4m33s |
| 17:41 |
Raven262 |
Not playing here means to ignore it. That *is* harder than you imagine, sadly. |
| 17:41 |
Zeno` |
yes, defamation |
| 17:41 |
Raven262 |
He is pulling you into his game, you can not ignore it, you can not escape it. You have to fight back. |
| 17:42 |
Raven262 |
That is exactly what he expects, too. |
| 17:42 |
Zeno` |
anyway, I believe that on minetest.org he mentions that he will open new "pages" dedicated to attacking individuals |
| 17:42 |
lisac |
How much is whatever this guy is on? http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-project/2017-05-23#i_4935092 |
| 17:44 |
lisac |
No, you aren't well. That is obvious, at least http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-project/2017-05-23#i_4935154 |
| 17:44 |
lisac |
I should stop doing this |
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Zeno` |
For reference: (from Kiraly's site) |
| 17:48 |
Zeno` |
1. The parts related to project history, people, and Freenode are moving to new tabs. Presently, most of that is at this link. |
| 17:48 |
Zeno` |
Vanessa Ezekowitz, Auke Kok, Perttu Ahola, and others will get their own pages or articles in the short term. |
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Zeno` |
(end quote) |
| 17:49 |
sfan5 |
do you have nothing better to do |
| 17:49 |
celeron55 |
yeah, like, just ignore him |
| 17:50 |
celeron55 |
you're going to have a bad time if you continue reading what he writes |
| 17:50 |
Zeno` |
sfan5, did you get accused of the things he accused me of (yet)? |
| 17:50 |
celeron55 |
and apparently already are having |
| 17:50 |
celeron55 |
it's a psychological game, and not a nice one |
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Zeno` |
providing or publishing false statements is not a psychological game :/ It's illegal |
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Zeno` |
anyway, whatever :)\ |
| 17:52 |
celeron55 |
he just wants you to feel as bad as he possibly can |
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celeron55 |
as long as you listen, it will not end |
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nore |
#5274 is now almost complete (only remaining part is builtin lua code), but I'd like to have an automated way to translate LANG_CODE instead of having to do it for each language we already have, has anyone an idea? |
| 18:01 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5274 -- [WIP] Clientside translate by Ekdohibs |
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paramat |
#6256 is good can anyone review? however item sliding needs fixing, i'm happy to do this in a followup PR |
| 20:40 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6256 -- Alternative code for slipping by bendeutsch |
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nore |
except for documentation, and a debug commit that will need to be removed, #5274 should be complete now, can anyone review it please? |
| 22:02 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5274 -- [WIP] Clientside translate by Ekdohibs |
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