| Time |
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| 00:00 |
VanessaE |
paramat: add savanna biomes to mgv6 :) |
| 00:00 |
VanessaE |
(the snow biomes are quite nice, btw) |
| 00:09 |
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| 00:35 |
paramat |
hm kilbith wondered if savanna would be added to mgv6 .. i'm undecided |
| 00:35 |
hmmmm |
@param |
| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
well now the decision is made. ad it. ;) |
| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
add* |
| 00:36 |
hmmmm |
rubywarden noted earlier that the output of mgv6 changed sometime |
| 00:36 |
paramat |
yeah i saw that |
| 00:36 |
hmmmm |
i'm guessing it's the cave thing |
| 00:36 |
paramat |
i tested his seed, it was a small pseudorandom cave |
| 00:36 |
hmmmm |
normally i wouldn't care about caves, but they're critical to V6's output |
| 00:36 |
hmmmm |
since they shape the terrain so much |
| 00:37 |
paramat |
yes |
| 00:37 |
hmmmm |
if you change any code in cavegen v6 you need to ensure that the same amount of calls to pseudorandom::next() are being made |
| 00:38 |
paramat |
i made a change recently to small caves, will check it |
| 00:39 |
hmmmm |
so if you had a conditional statement that you removed, such as if (foobar) { blah = pr.range(0, 5); ... } -> blah = pr.range(0, 5); for example, that would be a dangerous modification |
| 00:39 |
hmmmm |
it's very delicate |
| 00:40 |
paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/4046f3e302a3394bf376caf543cb643e1562bc5e |
| 00:41 |
paramat |
might reverse the 'no small caves entirely above ground' thing |
| 00:41 |
hmmmm |
why's that |
| 00:41 |
paramat |
as it's not essential, although i can't see how it would add a new cave to ruben's world |
| 00:42 |
hmmmm |
like i said, it changes the randomness |
| 00:42 |
hmmmm |
so there's a large cave now at that exact position that wasn't there before |
| 00:42 |
paramat |
small cave |
| 00:43 |
hmmmm |
are you sure it was a small cave? |
| 00:43 |
paramat |
yeah so although i didn't expect that commit to change something maybe it did |
| 00:43 |
paramat |
yeah sure |
| 00:43 |
hmmmm |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/4046f3e302a3394bf376caf543cb643e1562bc5e#diff-e876a0a129495f2b2dd1182861fa6ea3R444 |
| 00:43 |
hmmmm |
that return; |
| 00:43 |
paramat |
depends on if i understood rubenwardy's description though |
| 00:44 |
hmmmm |
the ps2->range() call below is missing, along with all the ps->range() calls in carveRoute() |
| 00:44 |
hmmmm |
which is a lot |
| 00:44 |
hmmmm |
it's your call though, do you think that v6 cavegen output is okay changed? |
| 00:45 |
hmmmm |
the whole point of the "don't change v6 output" is to prevent terrain discontinuities within the same world |
| 00:45 |
hmmmm |
but caves are discrete structures |
| 00:45 |
hmmmm |
so really the only negative effect would be that the property of having the same exact world given a certain seed is lost |
| 00:45 |
paramat |
preserving the terrain is more important than this commit which is non-essential |
| 00:46 |
paramat |
so i will reverse that change, and test rubenwardy's seed again to see if there is a change back |
| 00:48 |
paramat |
ah of course, a different number of calls to pseudorandom:next, thanks |
| 00:55 |
paramat |
that part of the commit only reduces processing load so is non essential |
| 00:56 |
hmmmm |
maybe something like bool do_dry_run = p1.Y > h1 && p2.Y > h2; |
| 00:56 |
hmmmm |
then in carveRoute() |
| 00:57 |
hmmmm |
if (dry_run || !ndef->get(c).is_ground_content) continue; |
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| 00:58 |
paramat |
sure maybe later, for now i must quickly fix the terrain |
| 00:58 |
hmmmm |
lol it's a 3 line modification |
| 01:04 |
paramat |
okay will study the method |
| 01:10 |
TBC_x |
are you breaking mapgen after feature freeze? |
| 01:10 |
TBC_x |
;) |
| 01:11 |
paramat |
heh luckily i broke it before freeze |
| 01:11 |
TBC_x |
you lucky one |
| 01:12 |
TBC_x |
gcc compilation takes some time |
| 01:15 |
TBC_x |
I should have let it compile just C and C++ |
| 01:30 |
paramat |
now pushing 2992 |
| 01:37 |
paramat |
complete |
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sloantothebone |
How do I make a timer in the form of a variable that I can use an if not statement on? |
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| 02:33 |
paramat |
hmmmm, okay i understand now, this means large caves were also altered when i fixed the shadow bugs soon after 0.4.12 stable was released. i will use your 'dry run' method for all caves, for consistency with 0.4.12 stable |
| 03:04 |
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| 03:49 |
paramat |
#3000 hmmmm . i placed the 'continue' as early as possible after the final pseudorandom calls, to minimise processing |
| 03:49 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3000 -- Cavegen V6: Make all caves consistent with 0.4.12 stable by paramat |
| 03:50 |
paramat |
now i need to check if it's similar to 0.4.12 =s |
| 04:00 |
paramat |
good grief i wasn't expecting it to actually work, apart from minor expected differences the significant caves are identical to 0.4.12 |
| 04:22 |
paramat |
will push later if approved |
| 04:22 |
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| 04:27 |
hmmmm |
looks good, approved |
| 05:10 |
hmmmm |
heh |
| 05:10 |
hmmmm |
lua and luajit have very different ways of handling OOM conditions |
| 05:12 |
hmmmm |
if I get this working it looks like I'm gonna have to make vanessae downgrade to interpreted lua :I |
| 05:13 |
hmmmm |
the great part is that i think i can reliably handle out-of-memory in a very controlled fashion, it's just that under linux the oom killer needs to be disabled somehow |
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| 05:35 |
paramat |
now pushing 3000 |
| 05:43 |
paramat |
complete |
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paramat |
game#606 |
| 06:43 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/606 -- Flowers: Make mushrooms farmable using spores WIP by paramat |
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| 07:00 |
hmmmm |
okay nevermind |
| 07:00 |
hmmmm |
i can do this with luajit but it needs to be modified |
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| 09:34 |
kilbith |
~seen RealBadAngel |
| 09:34 |
ShadowBot |
kilbith: I saw RealBadAngel in #minetest-dev 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, and 27 seconds ago saying "to fit android devices" |
| 09:35 |
nrzkt |
~seen NullPointerException |
| 09:35 |
ShadowBot |
nrzkt: Error: 'NullPointerException' is not a valid nick. That nick is too long for this server. |
| 09:35 |
nrzkt |
ok this is good :D |
| 09:35 |
nrzkt |
IRC refuses NullPointerExceptions :D |
| 09:36 |
kilbith |
seen != grep |
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| 09:57 |
rubenwardy |
2015-08-03 10:55:52: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Could not load image "disable_img.png" while building texture |
| 09:57 |
rubenwardy |
rubenwardy rubenPC:~/dev/minetest/src$ grep -nr "disable_img" * |
| 09:57 |
rubenwardy |
Binary file CMakeFiles/minetest.dir/mapblock_mesh.cpp.o matches |
| 09:59 |
VanessaE |
that's one of RBA's shader flags |
| 10:00 |
VanessaE |
(where he needs a bool from the main code, he passes an all-white or all-black image to the shader) |
| 10:06 |
rubenwardy |
it should give that chat error message, though |
| 10:06 |
rubenwardy |
*shouldn't |
| 10:07 |
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| 10:14 |
TBC_x |
hmm... How do I pass alternative compiler path to cmake? |
| 10:16 |
VanessaE |
-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr |
| 10:16 |
TBC_x |
that's not what I'm looking for |
| 10:18 |
VanessaE |
oh, thought you meant the install path |
| 10:19 |
TBC_x |
I had to compile gcc on my mint machine |
| 10:20 |
VanessaE |
no idea then :) |
| 10:22 |
nrzkt |
poudriere bulk -p default -j jailname lang/gcc |
| 10:22 |
nrzkt |
oops you are on a linux :D |
| 10:22 |
TBC_x |
I spent six hours last night putting the machine back into bootable state |
| 10:22 |
nrzkt |
if you want to compile, use gentoo |
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| 10:38 |
TBC_x |
Do server really need irrlicht? |
| 10:41 |
nrzkt |
it's because of v3f and other irrlicht related defines |
| 10:43 |
nrzkt |
who reviews https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/79e2647556773d46cc0299e73ca23c41a153ff2a ? |
| 10:43 |
nrzkt |
a mutex on getPeerIDS, why not. But no mutex in setPeerID and getPeerId ? |
| 10:45 |
nrzkt |
okay, if two thread wants to read simultaneously we block, but we let two thread to read and write the value together... |
| 10:45 |
nrzkt |
this commit is just... useless |
| 10:47 |
TBC_x |
in connection.cpp? |
| 10:47 |
H-H-H |
connection.h |
| 10:48 |
TBC_x |
it needs to be rewritten |
| 10:48 |
TBC_x |
from scratch |
| 10:48 |
nrzkt |
i agree with you there are problem on it |
| 10:49 |
nrzkt |
but the commit done has no effect |
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TBC_x |
hmm... what a standalone built server needs to get it running? |
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| 11:09 |
TBC_x |
VanessaE: how does your dreambuilder game work with mapgenv7? |
| 11:09 |
VanessaE |
I've never tried it |
| 11:09 |
TBC_x |
ok |
| 11:09 |
VanessaE |
but as I understand, it generally works ok |
| 11:09 |
VanessaE |
since the node names are the same, it should be fine (plants_lib and related mods are the only real concern) |
| 11:10 |
VanessaE |
glooptest and a couple other mods in the game need rewritten to use the modern ore system but that's about it. |
| 11:11 |
TBC_x |
I just need some crazy mods to crash the server so I can extract logs |
| 11:11 |
VanessaE |
give it a shot then :) |
| 11:12 |
VanessaE |
try downloading my "Survival" server map. if anything will stress a server, that will. |
| 11:13 |
H-H-H |
just out of curiosity how many nodes can you have inworld before it says stuff you ive had enough and dies |
| 11:14 |
TBC_x |
using btrfs was a mistake |
| 11:15 |
* H-H-H |
is re trying master for android to see if est31 has fixed the bugs i showed him |
| 11:16 |
TBC_x |
fatal: unable to overwrite old ref-pack file: No space left on device -_- |
| 11:17 |
VanessaE |
eep |
| 11:18 |
VanessaE |
H-H-H: the internal hard node defs limit is 65534. It's soft-limited to 32766. |
| 11:18 |
VanessaE |
Dreambuilder uses a little over half of that soft limit |
| 11:19 |
H-H-H |
ty VanessaE |
| 11:21 |
VanessaE |
the practical limit on the other hand is up to your machine's RAM amount |
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| 11:21 |
VanessaE |
Dreambuilder needs about 1.6GB or so for its ~17k node defs and textures and so on. |
| 11:23 |
H-H-H |
intersting that there is a hard limit, i would have thought that with the right hardware it "could" be infinate |
| 11:24 |
VanessaE |
it can be, but the variables related to the node count are unsigned 16-bit. |
| 11:24 |
TBC_x |
do we even support node variations? |
| 11:24 |
H-H-H |
ahhhhhhhhhh yeah that makes sence |
| 11:24 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: only "special tiles". |
| 11:24 |
VanessaE |
and then that's extremely limited |
| 11:24 |
VanessaE |
so essentially, no. |
| 11:25 |
VanessaE |
I'm not sure about the technical underpinnings of the 16-bit figure, but were it raised to, say, 32-bit unsigned, you could say it's effectively unlimited. |
| 11:26 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: there's an issue calling for varied textures via a sprite strip image similar to how animations work, and RBA wants to get something pushed through to allow alternate node defs to be called upon by changing a bit in param2 (I think). |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
and there was that meta_set_nodedef branch, which would basically decouple an in-map node from its default nodedef, so you could say set_node() cobble stairs, and then meta-them into a straw slab without touching the cobble stairs node def. |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
but that one never went in either - it wasn't considered finished, but it DID work. nore made a test mod to use it. |
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| 11:29 |
TBC_x |
when minetest can run full blown RedPower2 I'd consider it finished :) |
| 11:30 |
* H-H-H |
waits for hell to freeze over first |
| 11:31 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: well, there IS the "wires everywhere" mod.. does that help? :) |
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| 11:32 |
VanessaE |
Here's that test mod I mentioned: https://github.com/Ekdohibs/microblocks and here's that wires mod: https://github.com/Ekdohibs/wires |
| 11:33 |
TBC_x |
I mean features like wires and pipes in the same node |
| 11:33 |
VanessaE |
(the meat of the test mod is here: https://github.com/Ekdohibs/microblocks/blob/master/init.lua#L71 ) |
| 11:33 |
VanessaE |
meta_set_nodedef could theoretically do that. |
| 11:34 |
TBC_x |
awesome |
| 11:35 |
TBC_x |
It did not run out of space this time! |
| 11:36 |
TBC_x |
can any of the mods escape out of minetest sandbox? like mess with the filesystem? |
| 11:37 |
VanessaE |
not if you have that mod security code activated |
| 11:37 |
VanessaE |
otherwise yes. |
| 11:37 |
TBC_x |
will create separate user for mt |
| 11:37 |
TBC_x |
that should do it |
| 11:37 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 11:38 |
VanessaE |
none of DB's mods try to do that, but nevertheless, I run my servers as user "minetest" with appropriate directory ownership here and there. |
| 11:39 |
TBC_x |
I have a script somewhere that used to set up minecraft server user and all proper groups and masks so anyone with the gid could mess with it |
| 11:40 |
TBC_x |
hmm... can I redirect all the media downloads to your server? and how? :) |
| 11:40 |
TBC_x |
256kb upload is not gonna work with me |
| 11:41 |
VanessaE |
go ahead |
| 11:42 |
VanessaE |
just point your remote_media at http://minetest.digitalaudioconcepts.com/creative-survival-media/ or http://minetest.digitalaudioconcepts.com/basic-media/ |
| 11:42 |
VanessaE |
(the former is dreambuilder, the latter is minetest_game, each plus a handful of mods) |
| 11:43 |
H-H-H |
hmmm i wonder if est31 tested this android build |
| 11:43 |
VanessaE |
isn't that nrzkt's area? |
| 11:43 |
H-H-H |
both from what i understand |
| 11:44 |
H-H-H |
i just built current head for android and it doesnt even start lol the last time i built it it ran but had a big problem with sound |
| 11:44 |
TBC_x |
duh... I have to prefix mt binary with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib64 |
| 11:45 |
TBC_x |
otherwise it cannot load libasan |
| 11:46 |
TBC_x |
any example minetest.conf I can hold on? |
| 11:46 |
TBC_x |
that is also usable |
| 11:47 |
nrzkt |
VanessaE: i only build and distribute on playstore. |
| 11:47 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 11:48 |
H-H-H |
est31 does fdroid i belive |
| 11:48 |
nrzkt |
yes |
| 11:48 |
H-H-H |
ok who uninstalled eclipse lol now i cant even use adb |
| 11:51 |
nrzkt |
i didn't uninstall eclipse atm to use android studio, need to migrate projects. and adb is included in many distros if you install android-sdk instead of using eclipse installation. |
| 11:51 |
nrzkt |
yaourt -S android-sdk on arch |
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* H-H-H |
was j/k i already have the sdk or i wouldnt have been able to build it :P |
| 12:23 |
TBC_x |
wow |
| 12:24 |
TBC_x |
I've got 100% unhelpful error message |
| 12:24 |
VanessaE |
"you don't say?" :O |
| 12:27 |
TBC_x |
what can cause it to `terminate called after throwing an instance of 'ServerError'` |
| 12:27 |
VanessaE |
-that's usually a mod error. |
| 12:27 |
VanessaE |
most of the time anyway. |
| 12:27 |
TBC_x |
with what(): Failed to initialize world |
| 12:27 |
TBC_x |
how to make the serve to create the world? |
| 12:28 |
VanessaE |
ok THAT is probably not a mod error :P |
| 12:28 |
VanessaE |
out of space again? |
| 12:28 |
TBC_x |
hopefully not |
| 12:29 |
VanessaE |
I don't know off the top of my head, so what I did originally was to create a world in my client, delete the map and ancillary files created by mods, and save the result as a "blank template" |
| 12:31 |
VanessaE |
then I just copy it, modify the seed and mapgen params as needed, and use that as the new world :P |
| 12:32 |
TBC_x |
creating a server should require minimal effort |
| 12:32 |
TBC_x |
creating a basic server should require minimal effort |
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| 13:03 |
TBC_x |
finally |
| 13:08 |
TBC_x |
whoops |
| 13:08 |
TBC_x |
I've got a world made of undefined nodes |
| 13:10 |
bluegreen |
How did you do that? |
| 13:11 |
TBC_x |
I copied random world folder from my .minetest/worlds |
| 13:11 |
TBC_x |
that world was probably mt 3.x |
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TBC_x |
http://minetest.digitalaudioconcepts.com/basic-media/castle_ironbound_chest_front.png not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 404) |
| 13:12 |
TBC_x |
is that path ok? |
| 13:13 |
TBC_x |
VanessaE: ^^ |
| 13:16 |
TBC_x |
src/mapgen_v6.h:171 leaks |
| 13:18 |
kilbith |
leaks everywhere, we should have strainer as logo |
| 13:18 |
TBC_x |
haha |
| 13:18 |
TBC_x |
I fixed a bunch of them |
| 13:19 |
kilbith |
and RBA leaving before the release, pfff |
| 13:20 |
TBC_x |
I think we should disable minimap radar mode when it is broken |
| 13:20 |
TBC_x |
or fix it |
| 13:20 |
TBC_x |
doxygen is very useful while tracking leaks |
| 13:21 |
TBC_x |
and also, I should send memory leak patch to fluidsynth guys |
| 13:21 |
kilbith |
what about a garbage collector for C++ ? |
| 13:21 |
kilbith |
no longer need to waste time in investigation |
| 13:22 |
TBC_x |
ruins determinism |
| 13:22 |
TBC_x |
and gc is not silver bullet |
| 13:22 |
kilbith |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boehm_garbage_collector |
| 13:23 |
TBC_x |
RAII should be the GC |
| 13:23 |
TBC_x |
RAII is the only thing I would use C++ instead of C |
| 13:28 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: any time your client reaches for a file that's not on the remote media server, the cURL part will throw an error and the client will fetch it directly from the minetest server instance instead. |
| 13:30 |
TBC_x |
oh |
| 13:46 |
TBC_x |
what setting disables item preloading? |
| 13:47 |
TBC_x |
because all that stuff cannot fit into 2GiB of RAM |
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TBC_x |
oh nvm |
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RealBadAngel |
hi |
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kilbith |
ah, he's finally here ! |
| 13:55 |
nrzkt |
hi RealBadAngel |
| 13:55 |
RealBadAngel |
sorry, had some hard days irl |
| 13:55 |
nrzkt |
no problem, each have an IRL (i hope) |
| 13:56 |
RealBadAngel |
i was reading logs so i know whats going on |
| 13:56 |
kilbith |
TBC_x has fixed some memleaks |
| 13:57 |
RealBadAngel |
definitely i need to learn that valgrind thingy |
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kilbith |
and hmmmm says you can improve the minimap algorythm |
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TBC_x |
how do I set a spawnpoint in config? |
| 13:58 |
RealBadAngel |
yes, im working on it but its long term work, since im rebuilding minimap core |
| 13:58 |
RealBadAngel |
including scanning |
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kilbith |
TBC_x: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L377 |
| 13:59 |
RealBadAngel |
so no chance for 0.4.13 |
| 13:59 |
TBC_x |
I really don't want to open a web browser right now |
| 13:59 |
kilbith |
static_spawnpoint = 0, 0, 0 |
| 13:59 |
TBC_x |
thanks |
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RealBadAngel |
for 0.4.13 i would like to fix a few things, like fsaa + plants and some minor glitches with shaders |
| 14:01 |
RealBadAngel |
also imho mt game shall get complete displacement maps before release |
| 14:03 |
TBC_x |
what units the static_spawnpoint accepts? BS? |
| 14:06 |
RealBadAngel |
btw, i was testing lately my new tablet |
| 14:06 |
RealBadAngel |
controls there are horribl |
| 14:06 |
RealBadAngel |
e |
| 14:07 |
RealBadAngel |
for touchscreen there should be a "joystick" field instead of buttons |
| 14:08 |
RealBadAngel |
ie when you touch the field moving a finger will cause movement into that direction, released - back to center position |
| 14:08 |
nrzkt |
RealBadAngel: agree |
| 14:10 |
RealBadAngel |
now i do have quite good tablet so i can work on it |
| 14:10 |
RealBadAngel |
minetest is working quite nicely on it - galaxy tab 4 10'' |
| 14:11 |
TBC_x |
looks like we are leaking initialized nodes |
| 14:11 |
RealBadAngel |
what do you mean? |
| 14:11 |
TBC_x |
whatever happens behind the scenes when the loading screens says Initializing nodes... |
| 14:12 |
TBC_x |
hmm |
| 14:13 |
RealBadAngel |
theres lotsa weird things going on during that time |
| 14:13 |
TBC_x |
I should mention that I'm using 4.12 release client for this |
| 14:14 |
RealBadAngel |
when it comes to gfx 0.4.12 is hardly compatible with current master |
| 14:14 |
RealBadAngel |
theres lotsa things added or changed |
| 14:20 |
VanessaE |
a wile RBA appears! |
| 14:20 |
VanessaE |
wld* |
| 14:20 |
nrzkt |
gotcha ! |
| 14:22 |
RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, btw, who has banned me on your server? :P |
| 14:22 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: I wasn't aware that anyone had. |
| 14:22 |
RealBadAngel |
i was called imposter and kicked out of it :P |
| 14:22 |
VanessaE |
oh, I'll fix it. which one? |
| 14:22 |
TBC_x |
90.176.17.32:30000 |
| 14:22 |
VanessaE |
hm, I see no ban record for you on VE-Basic. |
| 14:23 |
RealBadAngel |
it was like 2 days ago, was using nick 1RealBadAngel |
| 14:23 |
VanessaE |
moment.. |
| 14:23 |
VanessaE |
ah there it is. |
| 14:23 |
VanessaE |
fixed. |
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TBC_x |
god damn SharedBuffer |
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TBC_x |
heap-use-after-free |
| 16:04 |
TBC_x |
http://sprunge.us/GEdS |
| 16:06 |
TBC_x |
interesting is, that I never encountered this on the client |
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VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/3sGMzmHy |
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VanessaE |
TBC_x: you mean like that? |
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VanessaE |
it happened just now |
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luizrpgluiz |
what is the probability that the minetest has the support ncurses? |
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luizrpgluiz |
or commands within the minetest server, without being within the game, the server terminal? I do not want to have to install Linux only porcausa the mod irc |
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luizrpgluiz |
porcausa = just because ^^ |
| 16:44 |
TBC_x |
luizrpgluiz: someone is workin on that |
| 16:50 |
luizrpgluiz |
this is very good because it has servers and users who do not want to install another operating system just because the irc mod only works on it |
| 16:52 |
TBC_x |
what? |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: [08-03 12:00] <TBC_x> god damn SharedBuffer <-- anything like this? http://pastebin.com/3sGMzmHy |
| 16:54 |
TBC_x |
yes |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
that crash happened on VE-Basic about 25 mins ago |
| 16:56 |
TBC_x |
luizrpgluiz: what? |
| 16:58 |
luizrpgluiz |
IRC mod uses the Linux operating system to work and has many people who do not like Linux to use mod |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: what he means is that the only way to get "console" access to a minetest server is via the IRC and irc_commands mods, which don't work on Windows. As he's stuck with that OS, he wants the previously-discussed ncurses console. |
| 16:58 |
TBC_x |
oh |
| 17:08 |
luizrpgluiz |
yes Vanessa |
| 17:09 |
luizrpgluiz |
ncurses is well developed, could help many server administrators |
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TBC_x |
the guy who implemented SharedBuffer<T> thought how much is MT single-threaded |
| 17:17 |
est31 |
H-H-H, if your android build fails, you will perhaps have to remove your deps/ directory, or do a clean re-build |
| 17:18 |
est31 |
the commit that fixed the sound has changed the ABI, so the linker would refuse linking. |
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H-H-H |
est31 it builds fine just doesnt run |
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est31 |
did you do a clean rebuild? |
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est31 |
also whats the adb error? |
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TBC_x |
what is the point of ReliablePacketBuffer.m_oldest_non_answered_ack ? |
| 18:04 |
TBC_x |
isn't that supposed to be always the last packet in the list? |
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TBC_x |
it looks like write-only member |
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H-H-H |
sorry yes i did a completely clean clone and build and adb is being a pia atmo and wont even list my device lool |
| 18:09 |
hmmmm |
TBC_x: I realize that connection.cpp could do better with regards to thread safety, but I legitimatly cannot find another thread that accesses outgoing_reliabes_sent other than ConnectionSendThread |
| 18:09 |
hmmmm |
maybe I'm mistaken and I missed something |
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kahrl |
TBC_x: I guess m_oldest_non_answered_ack was used previously but some refactoring removed the reads |
| 18:12 |
TBC_x |
I'm completely removing it |
| 18:12 |
TBC_x |
causing confusion |
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hmmmm |
well I don't have any theories about how this happens |
| 18:15 |
hmmmm |
a race condition is an easy target, but it logically can't happen here |
| 18:15 |
kahrl |
heh, looks like it was already unused in the commit that added it |
| 18:15 |
hmmmm |
maybe it would help if we kept a record of each location a reference was grabbed |
| 18:16 |
TBC_x |
it is afaik only happenging with BufferedPacket |
| 18:17 |
hmmmm |
but honestly, i'm not sure i understand why BufferedPacket needs to have a SharedBuffer at all |
| 18:17 |
hmmmm |
it's not shared with anything |
| 18:17 |
kahrl |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/9edb91da5754cf194637d1d7faa513719b61f9b4 |
| 18:17 |
TBC_x |
yes |
| 18:17 |
TBC_x |
I've removed it in my code |
| 18:17 |
TBC_x |
haven't run it yet though |
| 18:18 |
hmmmm |
? |
| 18:18 |
hmmmm |
you mean removed the Shared part of the SharedBuffer? |
| 18:18 |
TBC_x |
used simple Buffer<T> |
| 18:18 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 18:18 |
hmmmm |
sounds reasonable |
| 18:18 |
hmmmm |
instead of figuring out what's accessing it in a weird manner, though, it'll just make another copy :/ |
| 18:18 |
hmmmm |
but it won't crash anymore at least! |
| 18:19 |
hmmmm |
meh who cares, connection.cpp is the epitome of inefficiency |
| 18:19 |
TBC_x |
you don't say |
| 18:20 |
H-H-H |
est31 http://pastebin.com/cD7nK7jK |
| 18:20 |
TBC_x |
JMutex is imho too limited to do anything efficient |
| 18:20 |
H-H-H |
finally got adb to play nicely |
| 18:20 |
hmmmm |
it's not JMutex that's inefficient |
| 18:20 |
hmmmm |
it's all the copies of things |
| 18:20 |
hmmmm |
look at how often Buffers are shared around without references |
| 18:21 |
hmmmm |
receiving a packet iirc does somewhere around 13-15 copies of the same exact data |
| 18:22 |
TBC_x |
given how clear is the architecture of the code there, I'm not surprised |
| 18:22 |
est31 |
H-H-H, seems you have iconv problems |
| 18:22 |
H-H-H |
looks to be libiconv.so not behaving |
| 18:22 |
est31 |
H-H-H, do you have a log of the build? |
| 18:22 |
hmmmm |
GERMAN ENGINEERING |
| 18:23 |
H-H-H |
i can prob get the libiconv portion from me bash scrollback or i can do a rebuild and redirect it to a file |
| 18:23 |
est31 |
make sure you make &> not just Y |
| 18:23 |
est31 |
err |
| 18:23 |
est31 |
> |
| 18:24 |
est31 |
<> and Y are adjacent on german keyboards :) |
| 18:24 |
H-H-H |
ok will do a clean rebuild and get back to you :) |
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hmmmm |
TBC_x: Considering the fact that connection.cpp is in dire need of a rewrite I'd be willing to accept changing SharedBuffer to Buffer as a solution |
| 18:28 |
est31 |
hmmmm, french or polish ain't better :p |
| 18:28 |
hmmmm |
sapier was the one who did connection.cpp |
| 18:28 |
hmmmm |
heh |
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hmmmm |
it's overengineered |
| 18:28 |
hmmmm |
too complicated and kinda scattered |
| 18:29 |
TBC_x |
when I'll see sapier, I'll act like his code |
| 18:29 |
TBC_x |
throw something at him |
| 18:29 |
H-H-H |
ok build underway |
| 18:29 |
H-H-H |
completely deleted and recloned |
| 18:30 |
est31 |
nice |
| 18:30 |
hmmmm |
he's extremely prolific |
| 18:30 |
hmmmm |
sapier did the entire lua mainmenu api in about 3 days |
| 18:30 |
est31 |
nrzkt, what happened with the android buildbot? |
| 18:30 |
est31 |
nrzkt, can you reactivate it? |
| 18:32 |
nrzkt |
oh i disabled it because of sourceforge |
| 18:32 |
nrzkt |
every build failed because of download fail |
| 18:33 |
TBC_x |
the SharedBuffer could also fail because of try ... catch blocks everywhere |
| 18:34 |
H-H-H |
why not just change the makefile to get irrlicht from github |
| 18:35 |
est31 |
it works now again |
| 18:35 |
est31 |
github can have outages too |
| 18:35 |
hmmmm |
are you sure about that? when an exception is caught, the SharedBuffer falls out of scope, decreasing its refcount |
| 18:35 |
est31 |
e.g. some chinese evil guys changing ad scripts |
| 18:35 |
est31 |
to test their new cyberweapon |
| 18:35 |
TBC_x |
I'm not sure how well it is handled 'unmutexed' |
| 18:36 |
H-H-H |
yeah true est31 but github appears to be a lot more reliable than sf |
| 18:36 |
est31 |
H-H-H, but thats the official source |
| 18:36 |
TBC_x |
with the connection.cpp in such state, I'm not sure about anything |
| 18:36 |
est31 |
all others are just inofficial clones |
| 18:36 |
H-H-H |
bah lol build failed on d/l freetype lol the remote end hung up unexpectedly so re running build |
| 18:37 |
H-H-H |
thats better its doing its thing now |
| 18:37 |
nrzkt |
okay est31: re-enable build then |
| 18:37 |
est31 |
VanessaE, you can see the proposed algorithm described in #3003 |
| 18:37 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3003 -- Do leafdecay scanning in the engine |
| 18:37 |
est31 |
I hope its understandable how the speedup is gained |
| 18:38 |
nrzkt |
est31: it's re-enabled now |
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TBC_x |
3003 seems to me like a hack |
| 18:44 |
est31 |
what would you propose? |
| 18:45 |
TBC_x |
replace abm |
| 18:45 |
est31 |
by? |
| 18:46 |
TBC_x |
behaviour patching and timers |
| 18:46 |
est31 |
please explain |
| 18:48 |
TBC_x |
for example, water flow, It is a behaviour of water node dictating where to flow depending on some conditions. When a mod adds for example a sponge, it patches water flow behaviour to not flow into its defined area. |
| 18:49 |
est31 |
now tell me the benefit |
| 18:49 |
est31 |
and how to implement it |
| 18:50 |
est31 |
also it has nothing to do with 3003 |
| 18:50 |
est31 |
3003 is about improving an existing mod api method |
| 18:51 |
est31 |
your proposal is about adding a new one |
| 18:52 |
est31 |
code is behaviour, so abms are precisely that |
| 18:52 |
est31 |
with an abm you define behaviour |
| 18:52 |
est31 |
in an abstract way |
| 18:52 |
TBC_x |
you know what? |
| 18:52 |
TBC_x |
I should read first, then talk |
| 18:55 |
TBC_x |
So if I understand that right, you propose to notify all neighbours of a node, whenever the node itself gets somehow invalidated? |
| 18:56 |
est31 |
its about making leafdecay fast |
| 18:56 |
est31 |
e.g. you have a tree, and remove the trunk nodes |
| 18:57 |
est31 |
then the leaves fall down |
| 18:57 |
est31 |
to make that fast |
| 18:58 |
TBC_x |
I think that range of 1 could suffice |
| 18:59 |
est31 |
nope, trees can be huge |
| 18:59 |
est31 |
seen moretrees trees? |
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TBC_x |
are currently the leaves scanning their surroundings each tick? |
| 19:00 |
est31 |
yes |
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TBC_x |
I think this could be trigger-based |
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est31 |
to make it bearable, the moretrees leaves scan is made very slow. |
| 19:01 |
TBC_x |
and possibly make nodes to communicate with each other |
| 19:01 |
est31 |
TBC_x, agreed, the cache is only invalidated if there is a change. |
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TBC_x |
hmm... Instead of scanning, the nodes theoretically could channel the invalidation event with set amount of hops |
| 19:08 |
TBC_x |
but I'm not sure if this woul've been useful |
| 19:09 |
est31 |
invalidation should be fast, so that you can edit multiple nodes, before an abm step happens |
| 19:10 |
est31 |
if it involves scanning about what precisely to invalidate, it perhaps spares time on the re-validation, but it also creates more overhead at the "editing" part. |
| 19:11 |
est31 |
also, I guess we won't need complete invalidation then, we could just edit the cache. |
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sloantothebone |
How do I detect the presence of a mod in an if statement? |
| 19:16 |
est31 |
there is no unified way |
| 19:17 |
est31 |
there has been some "add warnings" commits, but the proposed way to do it has flaws too. |
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sloantothebone |
Ok, I want this code to activate only if the waterplus mod is activated: http://pastebin.com/WKWGXb4A |
| 19:24 |
sloantothebone |
Ok... All I need is "if minetest.get_modpath("waterplus") then" but where do I put it? |
| 19:24 |
est31 |
around the register_abm |
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TBC_x |
there is so much code depending on connection.h |
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sloantothebone |
Ok I did |
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sloantothebone |
Ok can I have a quick tutorial on how to post this on github? |
| 19:37 |
sloantothebone |
Do I have to log in with the git command? |
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est31 |
yes |
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est31 |
https://help.github.com/articles/fork-a-repo/+ |
| 19:38 |
est31 |
err |
| 19:38 |
est31 |
https://help.github.com/articles/fork-a-repo |
| 19:38 |
est31 |
and https://help.github.com/articles/good-resources-for-learning-git-and-github/ |
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est31 |
hmmmm, there was a patch in 2006 I think which allows you to edit some file in procfs to disable the oom killer |
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H-H-H |
est31 https://www.dropbox.com/s/k67ialor1qjba7w/build.txt?dl=0 complete build log |
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sloantothebone |
Ooh I have rabbitvcs git options in right click |
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alket |
im getting this shadow when using WorldEdit http://i.imgur.com/11DkPGD.jpg |
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H-H-H |
any clues est31 ? |
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est31 |
H-H-H, moment pls I'm translating a game for Calinou. |
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H-H-H |
ok np :) |
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paramat |
hi sfan5 any comments on game#604 game#605 game#606 ? |
| 19:58 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/604 -- Stairs: Lengthen interval of replace abm by paramat |
| 19:58 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/605 -- Default/functions: Reduce lavacooling ABM/sound overload by paramat |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/606 -- Flowers: Make mushrooms farmable using spores WIP by paramat |
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sfan5 |
oh right |
| 19:58 |
sfan5 |
you weren't there earlier |
| 19:58 |
sfan5 |
paramat: 605 is ok, 604 with the new interval you suggested |
| 19:58 |
sfan5 |
looking at 606 now |
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sfan5 |
hm |
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sfan5 |
flower spores? |
| 20:00 |
sfan5 |
I'm not sure |
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luizrpgluiz |
as I do I read .mts files in text mode? |
| 20:01 |
luizrpgluiz |
because I wanted to modify the tree schematics |
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alket |
what about my error :) |
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sfan5 |
luizrpgluiz: .mts files are not text files an compressed |
| 20:03 |
sfan5 |
and* |
| 20:04 |
luizrpgluiz |
but as I do I read them? |
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kahrl |
alket: questions about specific mods go to #minetest |
| 20:07 |
alket |
kahrl: thanks |
| 20:07 |
sloantothebone |
How do I add a depends.txt with git? |
| 20:08 |
H-H-H |
touch depends.txt |
| 20:08 |
H-H-H |
git add . |
| 20:08 |
H-H-H |
git commit -m"comitt msg here" |
| 20:08 |
H-H-H |
git push |
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sloantothebone |
Ok why didnt that work when I rightclicked and clicked commit, because I have rabbitvcs git options in nautilus |
| 20:12 |
sloantothebone |
Wait a minute it still hasn't changed on github |
| 20:13 |
sloantothebone |
https://github.com/sloantothebone/minetest-mod-weather/blob/master/weather/rain.lua |
| 20:13 |
H-H-H |
did you push it |
| 20:13 |
sloantothebone |
still no depends.txt |
| 20:13 |
H-H-H |
did you push it |
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paramat |
okay thanks |
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est31 |
H-H-H, can you paste the content of build/android/deps/libiconv/lib/Makefile ?? |
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sloantothebone |
Ok pushing it |
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sloantothebone |
Oh forgot the difference between push and pull |
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paramat |
sfan5 the spores are for mushrooms only |
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H-H-H |
est31 http://pastebin.com/sA1BqLGe |
| 20:15 |
sfan5 |
only mushrooms |
| 20:15 |
sfan5 |
oh |
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* paramat |
reads logs |
| 20:16 |
sfan5 |
paramat: ok if you do what you suggested in your last issue comment |
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paramat |
okay, i guess '..' needs spaces |
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est31 |
H-H-H, whats the output of readelf -a build/android/libs/armeabi-v7a/libiconv.so | grep SONAME |
| 20:22 |
H-H-H |
0x0000000e (SONAME) Library soname: [libiconv.so] |
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est31 |
thats ok then |
| 20:22 |
est31 |
hrmmmm |
| 20:22 |
H-H-H |
maybe a packaging error ? |
| 20:23 |
sfan5 |
est31: i have no idea what the problem is but maybe try running ldd on the minetest executable/lib and see what it says |
| 20:24 |
H-H-H |
it would seem libiconv.so is missing from a freshly built apk |
| 20:25 |
est31 |
So the output of unzip -l build/android/bin/Minetest-debug.apk | grep iconv |
| 20:25 |
est31 |
is empty? |
| 20:26 |
H-H-H |
sorry est31 that was just my observation which was just proved wrong |
| 20:26 |
H-H-H |
914576 2015-08-03 20:31 lib/armeabi-v7a/libiconv.so |
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H-H-H |
fwiw est31 i also tried a release build and it was the same |
| 20:33 |
est31 |
H-H-H, what happens if you add System.loadLibrary("iconv"); to build/android/src/net/minetest/minetest/MtNativeActivity.java |
| 20:34 |
H-H-H |
give me a few and i will try it |
| 20:34 |
est31 |
e.g. line 90 |
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H-H-H |
is a make clean and then make sufficent ? |
| 20:39 |
est31 |
not even clean needed |
| 20:40 |
est31 |
so yes : |
| 20:40 |
est31 |
) |
| 20:40 |
H-H-H |
ok testing new apk |
| 20:40 |
VanessaE |
est31: your leaf decay idea makes sense, I just hope those proposed arrays don't take up a ton of RAM in practice (imagine 20+ leaf decay routines running, in addition to regular ABMs) |
| 20:41 |
est31 |
VanessaE, how much blocks are loaded "in practice" ?? |
| 20:41 |
VanessaE |
around 1500. |
| 20:41 |
est31 |
but yeah, its the old fight, memory vs speed :) |
| 20:41 |
VanessaE |
sometimes more |
| 20:42 |
VanessaE |
(I've not taken a recent count, that ^^^ is just what I remember from some tests a long while ago) |
| 20:43 |
est31 |
and how many abms do run? |
| 20:43 |
est31 |
leafdecay? |
| 20:43 |
VanessaE |
probably 20 as a rough guess. |
| 20:44 |
est31 |
!c 20 * 1500 |
| 20:44 |
ShadowBot |
est31: math calc <math expression> |
| 20:44 |
H-H-H |
ok it runs but i have no txt in mainmenu |
| 20:44 |
VanessaE |
there are around 15 tree types, plus the default one, plus whatever extras are added (like farming_plus's banana tree) |
| 20:45 |
est31 |
H-H-H, ok, this is then the bug #2973 |
| 20:45 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2973 -- [Android] No text on main menu |
| 20:46 |
H-H-H |
also it didnt create Minetest folder but minetest |
| 20:47 |
est31 |
did it? |
| 20:47 |
est31 |
interesting |
| 20:48 |
H-H-H |
yeah but then every version i have built except 3.12-stable has done the same |
| 20:48 |
H-H-H |
sorry 4.12-stable |
| 20:49 |
est31 |
well, the filesystem we write it to is case insensitive |
| 20:49 |
est31 |
but it shouldnt do it |
| 20:51 |
H-H-H |
yeah since android is linux skinned lol |
| 20:52 |
est31 |
no, we write to fat32 |
| 20:55 |
TBC_x |
are moretrees sequoias supposed to cause long shadow? |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: nope. |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
only a simple vertical shadow like anything else |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
a fairly dark one, to be sure, but that's all |
| 20:55 |
TBC_x |
it is mapgenv6 bug then... |
| 20:58 |
H-H-H |
at the risk of sounding stupid i thought android used ext4 with the exception of some samsung devices |
| 20:58 |
TBC_x |
well, you can join 90.176.17.32:30000 and take a look at it if you want |
| 20:58 |
est31 |
H-H-H, its stored on the sd card |
| 20:58 |
est31 |
and thats fat32 |
| 20:58 |
H-H-H |
mine isnt |
| 20:58 |
TBC_x |
damn windows |
| 20:58 |
est31 |
in order to work with stupid windows OS devices |
| 20:59 |
TBC_x |
windows is blocking innovations |
| 20:59 |
H-H-H |
i dont own any windows devices and have always formated my memory cards tyo be used with linux |
| 20:59 |
est31 |
can apple mount ext4?? |
| 21:02 |
est31 |
man this sentence is stupid |
| 21:03 |
est31 |
" The EXT file system (short for Extended File System) and it’s family members of EXT2, EXT3, and EXT4, are the file systems used by Linux and Raspberry Pi." |
| 21:03 |
est31 |
http://osxdaily.com/2014/03/20/mount-ext-linux-file-system-mac/ |
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| 21:14 |
TBC_x |
damn, mobs in dreambuilder are scary |
| 21:15 |
VanessaE |
they're from Calinou's carbone_mobs |
| 21:17 |
TBC_x |
wtf is trooper? |
| 21:18 |
Calinou |
a monster that looks like a regular player |
| 21:18 |
TBC_x |
didn't know I can pick him up |
| 21:20 |
TBC_x |
the animations lack interpolation |
| 21:21 |
Calinou |
like all Minetest animations... |
| 21:21 |
Calinou |
we disabled animation blending due to an Irrlicht bug |
| 21:21 |
TBC_x |
well... that's horrible |
| 21:21 |
est31 |
VanessaE, it will use around 17 MB |
| 21:22 |
est31 |
for 1.5 k loaded blocks |
| 21:22 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 21:22 |
est31 |
can be easily reduced though, depends on how the storage is implemented |
| 21:22 |
VanessaE |
that's not too bad. is there anywhere we... yeah |
| 21:22 |
est31 |
reduced by factor of 8 |
| 21:22 |
TBC_x |
but not just animations, at least movement could use some interpolation |
| 21:22 |
est31 |
because with that calculation, every boolean takes up one byte |
| 21:22 |
est31 |
thats pretty wasty :) |
| 21:23 |
TBC_x |
I doubt that is irrlicht bug |
| 21:23 |
Calinou |
TBC_x, animation frames are already interpolated |
| 21:23 |
Calinou |
but animations don't have interpolation between them |
| 21:23 |
est31 |
I wonder whether we even need iconv on android |
| 21:23 |
est31 |
I just wonder what irrlicht's magical wchar format is |
| 21:23 |
est31 |
then I know which converter to use. |
| 21:24 |
TBC_x |
Calinou, do your mobs despawn? |
| 21:24 |
est31 |
H-H-H, whats your ndk version?? |
| 21:24 |
Calinou |
they do, if player is far away enough |
| 21:25 |
TBC_x |
duh... I want to keep him |
| 21:25 |
TBC_x |
could use some 'undespawnable' tag |
| 21:26 |
TBC_x |
milestone for mt 0.4.14 should be smooth everything and connection.cpp rewrite |
| 21:28 |
H-H-H |
r9d |
| 21:29 |
est31 |
TBC_x, whoever rewrites connection.cpp has to be trusted. this isnt something that should be rushed in any way. |
| 21:29 |
est31 |
also, I dont think we should add 0.4.14 |
| 21:30 |
est31 |
after 0.4.13, we should either make 0.5.0 or 1.0 |
| 21:30 |
est31 |
and stop doing minor and patch versions |
| 21:30 |
est31 |
but rather major and minor |
| 21:31 |
TBC_x |
0.x.x means unstable, unfinished to me |
| 21:32 |
Calinou |
we should do like Kernel Adiutor |
| 21:32 |
Calinou |
who doesn't want 0.9.4.6.1? |
| 21:35 |
sloantothebone |
How do I check if a string is not "false"? "and RAIN_DROPS <> "false" then" or "and not RAIN_DROPS == "false" then"? |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
sloantothebone: #minetest |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
(and it's ~= for 'not equals') |
| 21:36 |
est31 |
VB.net <> lua <> sql |
| 21:40 |
est31 |
H-H-H, can you upload the generated apk somewhere?? |
| 21:41 |
H-H-H |
i can probably put it on dropbox |
| 21:54 |
nrzkt |
est31: i don't think 0.4.13 is a 0.4 milestone due to many changes, unlike 0.4.12 which is a regular 0.4.x series update |
| 21:55 |
nrzkt |
0.5 to mark fixes, minimap adding, authentication strength is a good thing :) |
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TBC_x |
damn... I thought I fixed that |
| 22:15 |
TBC_x |
http://sprunge.us/YUZU |
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TBC_x |
oh, that's a different one |
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| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x, hmmmm: here's another one, happened just now: http://pastebin.com/k5QFcZQ2 |
| 22:44 |
TBC_x |
VanessaE: that one should have been fixed by abe6c07 |
| 22:45 |
VanessaE |
my last restart (due to a crash) was ~6 hours ago, and that brought in a build that's 2 commits newer. |
| 22:45 |
TBC_x |
if the crash was caused by Thread 4 |
| 22:46 |
VanessaE |
it was at 7a6e4dc5 at the moment of that crash |
| 22:46 |
TBC_x |
darn |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
inb4 "REALLY fix FacePositionCache data race" ;) |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
how do you even tell which thread is the crash? |
| 22:48 |
VanessaE |
(I mean from the backtrace) |
| 22:48 |
TBC_x |
sometimes the threads are touching the same data |
| 22:53 |
VanessaE |
well what I meant was, what led you to assume thread #4 in this case/ |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
what in these backtraces gives away the actual crash versus all the other crap that just happened to be running at the same time? |
| 22:56 |
VanessaE |
wait, I think I see. |
| 22:56 |
VanessaE |
[Switching to Thread 0x7ffff1acd700 (LWP 17484)] --> Thread 4 (Thread 0x7ffff1acd700 (LWP 17484)): |
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| 23:18 |
sloantothebone |
How do I make a node swimable? |
| 23:19 |
TBC_x |
but the thread got its lock |
| 23:19 |
sloantothebone |
How do I make it act like a water_source |
| 23:20 |
TBC_x |
theoretically, It may be influenced by data races in other parts of the code |
| 23:21 |
VanessaE |
sloantothebone: keep your modding questions to #minetest! |
| 23:24 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: that was my first thought actually. |
| 23:24 |
VanessaE |
but just *where* is a different matter :) |
| 23:33 |
TBC_x |
which thread is supposed to call RemoteClient::SetBlocksNotSent? |
| 23:53 |
paramat |
now pushing game 598 604 605 606 |
