IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2015-07-09

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02:11	est31	https://sourceforge.net/p/irrlicht/bugs/435 lets see what the irrlicht crowd sais
02:12	est31	if they fix it, we copy the fixed function into our codebase
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02:49	est31	hmmmm, how can I create a singlenode water mapgen?
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02:49	est31	I want to use valgrind to check for the leak
02:49	est31	but mapgen is too slow
02:49	est31	oh wait
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03:01	sloantothebone	Hi
03:02	sloantothebone	What would I do if I wanted to add a hundred different types of nodes without defining every single one by hand? Forgive me i this question belongs in #minetest
03:07	est31	sloantothebone, make a loop
03:07	est31	also yes it belongs in #minetest
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03:36	turtlejerky	what exactly does adding "--depth 1" when git cloning minetest do?
03:37	asl97	iirc, make it clone only the head commit
03:38	Wayward_One	interesting... further testing is to come, but after redownloading minetest and building the apk, the version tag reads 0.4.11-13e100e1
03:40	Wayward_One	And the only thing I can think of that I did different was not use --depth 1
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03:47	est31	if just paramat were here
03:47	est31	I've run a server with valgrind
03:47	est31	and found out that singlenode and v7 mapgen leak both the same amount
03:47	est31	so its either a client leak
03:48	est31	or the leak is somewhere else
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04:32	sloantothebone	How do I make a golem mod?
04:32	sloantothebone	Like is it possible to replace a node structure with an entity
04:32	est31	--> #minetest
04:32	sloantothebone	ok
04:33	asl97	on_place, check for the four node below it, remove the node if all is there and add entity
04:33	asl97	oh, and remove the head too
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05:02	hmmmm	est31, alias default:water_source to mapgen_singlenode
05:05	est31	ok
05:05	est31	hmmmm, you know more about paramat's leak?
05:06	Wayward_One	so, after completely deleting minetest a second time, redownloading, and building the apk again, the version tag still reads 0.4.11-13e100e1
05:06	hmmmm	i don't know anything about paramat's leak
05:06	est31	k
05:06	hmmmm	i suggested he try looking at the noise functions since that's the only place where the mapgen allocates memory, and you just said it happens in singlenode where there is literally no noise at all
05:06	hmmmm	and he mentioned it happens at least as far back as 0.4.9
05:06	est31	I dunno whether there is a leak
05:07	hmmmm	me neither
05:07	est31	I just get the exact same number when I run valgrind
05:07	hmmmm	there is a way to tell
05:07	asl97	Wayward_One: download using git? if so, check your remote and branch
05:08	hmmmm	i.e. load a crapton of blocks, then look downward until all of the surrounding blocks unloaded due to inactivity timeout, and then compare the memory usage
05:08	est31	he sais its only happening when mapgen happens
05:08	hmmmm	and do this several times
05:08	est31	lets first find out whether its on the server, or on the client
05:09	Wayward_One	asl97: I always do. I've been making regular builds on the forum for a while, all built the same way, and never had this happen before
05:10	asl97	maybe someone mess up the tree
05:10	asl97	by using force push
05:10	est31	there has been a 0.4.11 bug on normal already
05:11	est31	perhaps it reappears on android
05:11	Wayward_One	Could be
05:11	Wayward_One	This is the first I've seen of it though
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05:15	est31	hmmmm, I think the leak paramat observes is no mapgen leak
05:15	est31	I connected to a localhost game, and flew around a bit
05:15	est31	and got 200 MB at client, 40-60 MB at server
05:16	est31	at the start both processes had the same memory amount
05:16	est31	its a client leak
05:17	est31	when I disconnect from the server, the client doesnt deallocate those 200MB
05:18	est31	perhaps we don't drop the meshes I dunno
05:21	hmmmm	you used separate processes for server and client? hmm
05:22	est31	yea, connected to localhost
05:22	est31	one instance with ---server
05:22	est31	other from client tab
05:29	hmmmm	hrum
05:41	est31	where was that lua doc website with the beer mug again?
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05:44	est31	thats the page with the best documentation what happens
05:44	est31	any ideas hmmmm ?
05:48	est31	ah its http://pgl.yoyo.org/luai/i/about
05:48	est31	thanks though
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06:02	hmmmm	haa
06:02	hmmmm	est31: i wouldn't have known anyway
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06:11	est31	hmmmm, can I push this https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/3514ac685fab28885f9e47cd9c3bc33f90e64eab
06:13	est31	its to make the checkbox work in real time
06:15	hmmmm	is const std::string value the actual callback prototype?
06:15	est31	yes
06:15	hmmmm	wth
06:15	est31	should be changed IMO
06:15	est31	can I push another commit that changes it
06:15	hmmmm	probably a typo
06:15	hmmmm	we should fix that sometime
06:15	hmmmm	yes
06:15	est31	also its const std::string settingname
06:15	hmmmm	also what's with the unix_lowercase_underscore_function_style_in_methods
06:15	est31	not value
06:15	est31	mistake by me
06:16	est31	ah you want it readSettings
06:16	hmmmm	http://dev.minetest.net/Code_style_guidelines#Classes
06:16	est31	yea
06:17	est31	I keep forgetting it
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06:26	est31	pushing the two commits then : https://github.com/est31/minetest/commits/master
06:26	est31	(if my make succeeds)
06:27	hmmmm	hold on a minute
06:27	hmmmm	you don't give even 5 minutes for people to look
06:27	hmmmm	and besides, you haven't gotten a second +1
06:27	est31	<hmmmm> yes
06:27	hmmmm	so? i agreed to the idea that it should be changed. there's a difference between an idea and its implementation.
06:28	hmmmm	what if you made a fatal typo or something in that implementation? that's the reason why code reviews exist
06:28	est31	ok then, can you look at it
06:28	hmmmm	yes, i did
06:28	hmmmm	it's fine
06:29	est31	can I push then? or do you believe I need a third (or second or whatever) +1?
06:29	hmmmm	fine
06:29	hmmmm	maybe the number of those in agreement should vary based on size/complexity
06:30	RealBadAngel	anybody remember why BS was introduced?
06:30	est31	that would be a good rule change
06:30	hmmmm	so that people don't get confused between map coordinates and irrlicht coordinates
06:30	est31	however question is who determines that number
06:30	RealBadAngel	can it be that need for camera offset is caused by that?
06:31	hmmmm	of course not, irrlicht coordinates are floating point numbers
06:31	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: nah, camera offset (if you mean the every-200-nodes thing) is due to precision errors in irrlicht renbdering
06:31	VanessaE	rendering*
06:32	VanessaE	damn it, ninja'd
06:32	VanessaE	shit used to get really glitchy out past around 1500-2000 nodes
06:32	hmmmm	minecraft had the same problem
06:32	hmmmm	heh
06:32	hmmmm	that added to the mystique of the 'far lands'
06:34	hmmmm	so does anybody volunteer to work on the remainder of what needs to be done on the minimap?
06:34	VanessaE	yeah except farlands sometimes looks kinda nice in the pics I've seen, whereas minetest...er... has nothing out there :)
06:35	RealBadAngel	minimap project is far from being complete, those are not "remainders"
06:36	RealBadAngel	but im not sure if i know the minimap code good enough :P
06:36	hmmmm	it's a decent basis
06:37	RealBadAngel	theres API to be done, players markers, waypoints, creating map textures for use within mods, etc
06:37	hmmmm	i have two more uses for the minimap: map previewer and an embedded minetestmapper that's officially supported and maintained
06:37	est31	"embedded"?
06:37	hmmmm	yeah
06:37	hmmmm	you know the functionality of minetestmapper?
06:38	est31	yes
06:38	hmmmm	well I want that in minetest
06:38	est31	making png files
06:38	hmmmm	to generate an image map as map is generated
06:38	hmmmm	a couple things though
06:38	hmmmm	it wouldn't be available immediately in minetestserver due to the heavy dependencies on irrlicht
06:38	est31	minetestmapper has far more maintained forks than minetest
06:39	est31	not sure whether to add another one
06:39	hmmmm	minetestmapper is slow
06:39	est31	forks or compliant reimplementations
06:39	hmmmm	if you map on the go, you could theoretically have a website with a near real-time map of your minetest server
06:39	hmmmm	now that's sorta cool
06:40	est31	a person running a geo mapping tools company has even implemented a live mapper
06:40	est31	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e6eCMXguu8
06:40	est31	dunno how he got that html into minetest
06:41	RealBadAngel	hmmm, one of the things to do is moving image generation back to mapper thread
06:41	RealBadAngel	without dep on driver
06:41	RealBadAngel	just direct creating image in memory
06:42	RealBadAngel	its trivial, we do need just own setPixel stuff
06:42	hmmmm	generating the IMAGE is one thing
06:42	hmmmm	creating a TEXTURE from the image is another
06:42	hmmmm	the latter of the two is not thread-safe
06:42	VanessaE	bear in mind that a full size detailed map of a server can run 50 MB in size (after pngcrush)
06:42	RealBadAngel	that you can you make in main
06:43	hmmmm	VanessaE, which is why it'd probably be a good idea to split it up into chunks
06:43	VanessaE	and that would only be a fraction of the total map space.
06:43	RealBadAngel	most time consuming is to create an image
06:43	hmmmm	but otherwise do you think there's value in concept?
06:43	VanessaE	hmmmm: right. est31 seems like your leaftest thing is apropos here?
06:43	est31	or to generate it in chunks the first place
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06:43	hmmmm	Leaftest?
06:43	VanessaE	yes, I could see it being useful as long as the user is very clear on how to see the map
06:43	est31	VanessaE, thats his own leaflet implementation
06:43	VanessaE	https://github.com/est31/leaftest
06:43	RealBadAngel	you can save minimapmapblocks to the disk
06:43	RealBadAngel	outside app can just read them
06:43	VanessaE	est31: yeah I know, but it's similar to what hmmmm is talking about
06:44	hmmmm	sloppy map?
06:44	est31	with many small tiles
06:44	hmmmm	well
06:44	est31	^ =: sloppy
06:44	hmmmm	if there's no value in this then there's no value in this
06:44	hmmmm	that makes less work for us
06:45	hmmmm	i still want to use Mapper for map previews when selecting a seed
06:45	est31	preview is cool though
06:45	est31	for seeds and for world selection
06:45	est31	store the last despawned pos
06:45	hmmmm	I wanted to add a map preview since I started coding on minetest
06:46	hmmmm	never did it though because meh
06:46	hmmmm	other things had higher priority
06:46	hmmmm	in any case
06:46	hmmmm	next up is client side scripting
06:46	hmmmm	i'm officially starting on that now
06:46	Hunterz	Im trying implement server console using readline alternate interface (callbacks), or will be better wait for keyboard events in the another thread ?
06:46	hmmmm	also a minimap becomes a hud item that a script will be able to draw
06:47	hmmmm	so you'd (in theory) be able to draw a minimap on the main menu as well as having multiple minimaps on the screen in game
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06:47	est31	it should be a hud item as well as a formspec item.
06:47	hmmmm	that's another thing
06:47	est31	perhaps even moveable and so on
06:47	VanessaE	hmmmm: now THAT would be useful (map preview on create)
06:47	hmmmm	you should be able to draw hud items on GUIs as well
06:48	est31	but yea thats another thing
06:48	hmmmm	i need to sort out how HUD and GUIs are going to work
06:48	est31	perhaps that should even be server generated.
06:48	hmmmm	and whether they should be separate at all
06:48	RealBadAngel	mapper should just produce textures for use in mods
06:48	RealBadAngel	then you could use them anywhere
06:48	hmmmm	hunterz: a callback in which thread?
06:49	Hunterz	in the main server thread
06:49	est31	the main difference between hud and gui is that once you have a mouse button, once your mouse is fixed
06:49	hmmmm	hunterz: if I were writing that, I would handle the console interface in a separate thread and then queue commands to be executed in the server thread
06:49	est31	but that difference only shows up on non-android devices
06:49	Hunterz	ok, thanks
06:50	hmmmm	est31: alright how does this sound
06:50	hmmmm	you can draw hud items ANYWHERE on the screen at any time
06:50	hmmmm	i.e. in game, in the main menu, on a formspec
06:51	hmmmm	well we call it formspec right now but
06:51	hmmmm	the GUI elements
06:51	hmmmm	GUI elements, however, can only be present in a GUI window
06:51	hmmmm	a GUI window being opened will display the mouse and release the lock on mouse position
06:51	hmmmm	s/mouse/cursor/
06:51	RealBadAngel	hmmmm, have you noticed what minimap on screen element code is?
06:52	est31	hrmm
06:52	hmmmm	RealBadAngel: what?
06:52	RealBadAngel	its modified IGUI element
06:52	est31	so one use case of drawing hud elements in gui is minimap
06:52	hmmmm	what?
06:52	est31	any other usecase?
06:52	hmmmm	I thought it was a mesh
06:53	RealBadAngel	it uses to display the mesh
06:53	hmmmm	est31: yea
06:53	hmmmm	how about this
06:53	RealBadAngel	but the code for it is IGUI element copy
06:53	hmmmm	instead of having drawStatbar() and drawHotbar() and all these little doodads we treat them like pseudo-GUI widgets
06:53	est31	also, I think when drawing hud elements in gui, they should be somehow inside the gui's coordinate system
06:53	hmmmm	each have a Draw
06:53	RealBadAngel	all the matrices operations come from it
06:54	hmmmm	the Mapper might be better renamed to Minimap or something
06:54	hmmmm	and that'll inherit IHudElement
06:54	hmmmm	or something..?
06:54	hmmmm	class Minimap : public HudElement {
06:54	hmmmm	void draw();
06:55	hmmmm	and I can't think of any other at the moment
06:55	hmmmm	i'm sure i'll get a better idea once i start coding it
06:55	RealBadAngel	hmmmm, my idea was to fully implement it as IGUI element, not our own
06:55	Hunterz	generated image from the minimap can be used for map item like in the minecraft...
06:55	hmmmm	RealBadAngel, please don't
06:55	hmmmm	this is more flexible if it could be rendered anywhere
06:56	RealBadAngel	the very same way we will be able to display actual cubes in formspecs
06:56	RealBadAngel	instead of generated textures
06:56	hmmmm	maybe you could have an IGUIElement for Minimap that does nothing but adds irrlicht GUI nonsense on top of a drawn minimap
06:56	est31	yea good idea
06:56	hmmmm	yes
06:56	hmmmm	okay
06:56	hmmmm	so every HUD element will have a corresponding IGUIElement
06:57	est31	well it doesnt make much sense to render the inventory bar in gui
06:57	RealBadAngel	this way we can say goodbye to lotsa old code incuding item previews
06:57	hmmmm	est31: it doesn't make sense until you need it
06:57	RealBadAngel	and have for example rotating cubes in selected inventory slot
06:58	hmmmm	est31: okay, so maybe nevermind on that requirement. but using this infrastructure you should still be able to render an inventory bar on a gui
06:58	est31	hmmmm, I just say if there is additional effort from adding things like the inventory bar, we should only add a set for which we can construct use cases
06:58	hmmmm	just that it won't necessarily need to be a GUI element
06:58	hmmmm	but the point is
06:58	RealBadAngel	indeed, just the way stays here
06:58	hmmmm	no waid
06:58	hmmmm	wait*
06:59	hmmmm	the hotbar is a GUI element
06:59	hmmmm	it's just that it doesn't use the official irrlicht GUI element interface
06:59	est31	its graphical and its a user interface
06:59	hmmmm	I envision a GUI element where you have multiple boxes with images and some text on it that you can scroll through using the mouse wheel when it has focus (in the form of a gui element)
07:00	hmmmm	so the hotbar is basically a radio button set
07:00	hmmmm	except irrlicht doesn't have radio buttons
07:00	hmmmm	here's our chase
07:00	hmmmm	chance*
07:00	est31	well its a button bare
07:00	est31	bar*
07:01	RealBadAngel	just replace images with children gui elements with the same code as minimap have, showing the cubes
07:01	hmmmm	we might be able to generalize the hotbar to a radio button set
07:01	est31	if we give the flexibility to game creators, we should also give them tools to ensure portability
07:01	est31	e.g. what about android
07:01	hmmmm	wait
07:01	hmmmm	we're thinking too hard about all this
07:01	hmmmm	let's code first and see what we come up with then continue this conversation
07:01	est31	take the voxus hotbar as example
07:02	hmmmm	talk is cheap, code isn't
07:02	est31	its at the side
07:02	RealBadAngel	i will code now something to show you something
07:02	RealBadAngel	oops, too much of something ;)
07:02	est31	but on android we already have buttons on the side, no room for hotbar
07:03	hmmmm	the flexibility of the second-gen hotbar means that you'd be able to select your own geometry
07:03	VanessaE	est31: so move the buttons?
07:03	hmmmm	when a hotbar is generalized into a set of buttons where only one can be selected at a time
07:03	est31	thats something I can agree with
07:03	VanessaE	a hotbar down one side, control buttons + Dpad on the other side, seems reasonable?
07:03	hmmmm	if it's implemented right then in theory you should be able to make a hotbar in the shape of a freaking triangle on the screen
07:03	est31	or circle like voxelands
07:03	hmmmm	or maybe in bubbles on random coordinates
07:04	hmmmm	that's my end-goal here
07:04	hmmmm	i want to be able to do that
07:04	hmmmm	i want to be able to transform the hotbar into something where I have random images all on the screen and I can scroll through them using the mouse wheel
07:05	hmmmm	then I want to be able to use the same hotbar as a GUI element where I can click on them in addition to scrolling with the mouse wheel
07:05	est31	or click on them if you are on android
07:05	hmmmm	wow
07:05	hmmmm	this all sounds fantastic
07:05	hmmmm	I need to get real-life work done though :9
07:06	hmmmm	the past couple of days I've been wrestling with gmock
07:06	hmmmm	what a shitty overcomplicated framework
07:07	hmmmm	don't ever use it for your own projects
07:09	RealBadAngel	btw, whos the mtgame team? paramat, pilzadam and ?
07:10	est31	its on the wiki somewhere
07:11	est31	number is 5
07:13	kahrl	http://dev.minetest.net/minetest_game_Development
07:17	RealBadAngel	theres no paramat in here?
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08:46	est31	hrmm
08:46	est31	kahrl, I wonder why a pointer is 0, can you help?
08:46	est31	ah it isnt null
08:47	est31	still there is something fishy going on
08:47	est31	a bug I dont know the cause of
08:47	est31	when I store some data, everything is fine
08:47	est31	when I retrieve it... bam
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08:49	est31	ah I have a suspicion
08:49	est31	yea
08:49	est31	has been my suspicion
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10:52	Taoki	RealBadAngel: :)
10:53	Taoki	(subtle and probably dumb way of asking about that VBO pull request)
10:53	RealBadAngel	lol
10:53	RealBadAngel	not yet :)
10:53	Taoki	ok :)
10:53	RealBadAngel	still polishing shader issues
10:54	Taoki	Aah, so it still has a few bugs? I thought you just didn't find the time to create the pull request itself, which is why I found it a bit odd.
10:55	RealBadAngel	https://imgrush.com/i6v_pYBosH0s.png
10:55	Taoki	Wow, cool :o
10:55	RealBadAngel	i had to find a solution for nontileable textures
10:57	Hunterz	grass block in the hand will be same as ground?
10:58	Taoki	Hunterz: Shaders don't seem to work for wielded items yet, sadly. Nor players and Lua entities.
10:58	Taoki	I wonder when that can be fixed
10:58	Hunterz	ah
11:01	RealBadAngel	i have code rdy for that but it have flaws
11:01	RealBadAngel	sooner or later i will fix that
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11:45	RealBadAngel	est31, #2897 its wip
11:45	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2897 -- Fix relief mapping issues by RealBadAngel
11:46	RealBadAngel	can you check it?
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11:55	est31	looks good
11:56	est31	cheapie, you around?
12:10	est31	writing glue code feels so glue-y
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16:06	est31	hmmmm, not polished yet and vast parts untested: #2898
16:06	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2898 -- Add AreaStore data structure by est31
16:06	est31	comments about concept would be great though
16:06	est31	I'll read the logs
16:09	hmmmm	wow it looks really cool
16:09	hmmmm	I'll have to take a better look sometime
16:09	hmmmm	this is great
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17:25	paramat	yes i was wrong to state the memory leak was due to mapgen, i wasn't sure
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17:28	paramat	hi sfan5 can i push this fix for yesterday's mesh stair commit? game#561 RealBadAngel please can you check it is correct?
17:28	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/561 -- Improved stairs model by kilbith2
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18:50	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: the screenshot looks good.
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19:57	paramat	okay thanks sfan will push game 561 later
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20:06	paramat	perhaps there is not a memory leak at all, but we are just seeing expected world and mesh data accumulating in the client?
20:09	est31	if you leave to main menu, the memory doesnt decrease
20:09	est31	that makes it a leak
20:10	VanessaE	that's if you CAN leave to the main menu :P
20:10	paramat	yes that behaviour is a bug
20:11	VanessaE	(for me, the game hard-crashes pretty frequently when exiting to main menu)
20:11	est31	thats pretty bad
20:11	est31	even horrible
20:11	est31	I have it on a certain server
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20:34	paramat	now pushing game#561
20:34	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/561 -- Improved stairs model by kilbith2
20:38	paramat	complete
20:47	paramat	so mesh stairs are now fixed. RealBadAngel the only problem with defining stairs as meshes is they appear dark as a wielditem, is there a fix for this?
20:48	VanessaE	paramat: that seems to happen with any kind of mesh
20:48	VanessaE	including extruded meshes and the ones you see from the wield3d mod
20:49	paramat	okay, i know our wield is a bit buggy at the moment
21:06	est31	hmmmm, do you know something about templates https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/6b85607215d70faf7ce8e58c0b51c83c66d6820c#diff-e5ab4d3af8e375631903ed35b243c3b4R312
21:07	est31	I want to implement a simple LRU cache
21:07	est31	with templates
21:07	est31	so I've chosen the simplest approach: direct definition in header
21:07	est31	but doesnt build
21:07	hmmmm	don't use templates
21:08	est31	it sais a ton of errors
21:08	hmmmm	generally they suck
21:08	est31	they do indeed
21:08	hmmmm	yea
21:08	hmmmm	and the errors are impossible to figure out
21:09	hmmmm	I think the actual problem you have is that you can't have nested templated types
21:09	est31	templates do have their use though
21:09	est31	?
21:09	hmmmm	yeah, for language experts whose goal is to make a library and ugly code
21:10	est31	util/container.h is very library-ish
21:10	hmmmm	you need to define std::list<K> and so on along with the template definition
21:10	est31	like?
21:12	VanessaE	paramat: what say you about adding other basic shapes to minetest_game's models selection? like slopes, slabs, other shapes as in my slope_test mod?
21:12	VanessaE	i.e. things other mods can use instead of carrying their own copies
21:12	hmmmm	template <class K, class KeyList = std::list<K>, class KeyValuePair = std::pair<std::list<K>::iterator, V> > >
21:13	hmmmm	?
21:13	hmmmm	I think
21:13	paramat	only very basic diagonals, because Minetest already has diagonal plantlike drawtype as part of it's character
21:13	hmmmm	every time I thought to myself, "gee, templates would really work nicely here" it ended up not working nicely and I trashed it
21:14	paramat	so perhaps any shape that uses surfaces created from 45 degree diagonals between node vertices
21:15	paramat	a bit like when LEGO added 45 degree roofing slopes =)
21:15	paramat	(well not 45 degree actually)
21:16	VanessaE	paramat: yeah, I was thinking the same
21:17	paramat	basic slope, inner corner, outer corner
21:17	VanessaE	like the three basic roof shapes in homedecor (they're all 45-degree angles)
21:17	VanessaE	exactly that
21:18	VanessaE	LEGO has 2:1 and 3:1 slopes yeah, but I think they also have 1:1
21:19	VanessaE	paramat: there are a few shapes in Moreblocks that meet your criteria also btw
21:19	VanessaE	(corner pyramids and the like)
21:20	VanessaE	but that's overkill
21:20	VanessaE	wait...don't I normally suggest overkill anyway? :D
21:20	paramat	yes heh
21:21	VanessaE	anyways, there are lots of primitives in slope_test, technic CNC machine, and moreblocks that you'll want to pull in, I'm sure
21:27	paramat	weird, now i'm getting big drops in memory use when exiting a world, as if most (perhaps not all) world data is now being correctly deleted
21:27	paramat	in very latest dev
21:30	paramat	well i'm bemused and may have been doing something silly. i'll put this aside now i have other stuff to focus on
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21:44	paramat	uh-oh
21:45	VanessaE	?
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22:07	est31	yaay it compiles
22:08	est31	or does it
22:08	VanessaE	est31: "It compiles, ship it!" :)
22:08	est31	heh
22:09	est31	I wonder how the cache will affect the benchmarks
22:09	est31	wow it actually compiles
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22:26	est31	so why does the cache crash?
22:28	est31	ah
22:28	est31	order :p
22:43	paramat	sfan5 and all, game#562
22:43	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/562 -- Default: New ice texture by Gambit by paramat
22:55	Taoki	RealBadAngel: Are you still around?
23:12	VanessaE	Taoki: so, when you gonna make the model's head able to yaw/pitch separately from the body when looking around? :)
23:12	Taoki	VanessaE: When Irrlicht stops breaking models that enable manual IK control.
23:12	Taoki	That's the right way to do it
23:12	VanessaE	heh
23:12	est31	IK?
23:18	Taoki	est31: Putting the armature in a mod which allows controlling bone positions manually
23:18	Taoki	That breaks animations
23:49	est31	irrlicht has many bugs
23:50	est31	unfortunately
23:50	est31	age doesnt guarantee bug-freeness

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