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emptty |
ok, the bug is fixed, thanks |
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us_0gb |
Do you know how helpful it is to have all the minetest images listed with their original license as opposed to just blanketly licensing them under CC-BY-SA? Very helpful. I'd like to thank whoever decided to do that. |
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celeron55 |
us_0gb: i guess i am mainly to blame or thank about any licensing 8) i know how much it sucks when people license things more restrictively than needed |
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us_0gb |
celeron55: Thanks! I've been thoroughly contemplating the licensing of screenshots, and have come to the conclusion that CC-BY-SA passes from the textures to the screenshots and isn't compatible with my GPL site. However, because the images are listed by their original licenses, I don't have to replace any that are under a more liberal license that is compatible with both GPL and CC-BY-SA. |
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kahrl |
ShadowNinja: yes, #920 is ready |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/920 -- Add formspec table by kahrl |
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daswort |
which curl package do i need? |
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daswort |
p libcurl4-gnutls-dev - Entwicklungsdateien und Dokumentation für libcurl (GnuTLS-Variante) |
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daswort |
p libcurl4-nss-dev - development files and documentation for libcurl (NSS flavour) |
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daswort |
p libcurl4-openssl-dev |
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kahrl |
daswort: shouldn't matter which one |
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Megaf |
Hi everyone! |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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xyz |
ShadowNinja: no |
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kahrl |
john_minetest: just delete them from the database |
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kahrl |
no, there is no API for that |
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VanessaE |
being able to place a node that causes the game (etc) to highlight the whole mapblock as scheduled for delete would be useful. |
| 12:22 |
VanessaE |
highlight as in, say, everything in that mapblock loses its light values or something |
| 12:22 |
VanessaE |
(something that can be transmitted to the client with a minimal amount of fuss) |
| 12:23 |
VanessaE |
no, there needs to be a highlight first, because you need to see where the edges are |
| 12:23 |
VanessaE |
could use the thing worldedit does now (the selected area is enclosed in a large checkerboard box) |
| 12:24 |
VanessaE |
but that doesn't solve the problem of actually deleting the mapblock from the database. |
| 12:24 |
VanessaE |
feel free to code it :) |
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sapier |
VanessaE did your server crash again with 1090 or are the exceptions fixed by now? |
| 12:50 |
VanessaE |
I have not seen any crashes, nop |
| 12:50 |
VanessaE |
no* |
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sapier |
btw what time is it at your location? :-) |
| 12:50 |
VanessaE |
7:50am |
| 12:51 |
sapier |
then good morning |
| 12:51 |
VanessaE |
good morning. |
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kahrl |
so I'm trying to fix #1086 and realized we don't have a str_ends_with |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1086 -- Problems with safeWriteToFile() |
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kahrl |
but if I implement that based on str_starts_with it would take std::wstring, while the paths I would be calling this on are std::string |
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kahrl |
and doing a narrow_to_wide on each might be wasteful |
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Exio4 |
why are the paths std::string? |
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kahrl |
no idea |
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kahrl |
honestly if I rewrote minetest I'd use utf8 std::string everywhere and std::wstring only when calling OS functions, where absolutely needed |
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sapier |
I'd use std::string too but I guess that doesn't help right now ;-) |
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Exio4 |
use char*! |
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kahrl |
how about a VARIANT BSTR |
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sapier |
I don't even know waht VARIANT BSTR is ;-) |
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kahrl |
lucky |
| 13:25 |
sapier |
what is it |
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sapier |
? |
| 13:25 |
kahrl |
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms221627%28v=vs.85%29.aspx |
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celeron55 |
kahrl: you're free to modify minetest to do so |
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celeron55 |
probably everyone agrees that using wstring anywhere else in irrlicht's interfaces is bad |
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celeron55 |
+tha |
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celeron55 |
+n |
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Kray |
using wstring in general is bad |
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sapier |
reading the first sentences I already have the "I don't ever wanna use this" feeling ;-) |
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kahrl |
celeron55: I could modify it but I can't test every setup to see what I've broken |
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celeron55 |
do you imply you can't assume narrow_to_wide and wide_to_narrow works? |
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kahrl |
we've had so many charset problems in the past that I don't really know about that |
| 13:29 |
sapier |
something completely different, if vanessaE doesn't report an error till 8pm utc I'm gonna merge the protocol implementation fixes. If anyone has reason not to do so please tell |
| 13:30 |
VanessaE |
personally I think you should wait another day |
| 13:30 |
VanessaE |
it's only 1:30pm UTC |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
I've barely been on 1090 for a day |
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kahrl |
e.g. when compiling with or without gettext breaks display of international characters in some parts of minetest, wtf? |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
(as supplied in your pull I mean) |
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celeron55 |
kahrl: this fixes it for me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6704413/ |
| 13:31 |
celeron55 |
feel free to merge 8) |
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VanessaE |
celeron55: did you try that with the irc mod? :P |
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kahrl |
ah, that was why |
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celeron55 |
VanessaE: no |
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sapier |
you know the one merging it will be responsible for the things beeing broken after it ? ;-) *just kidding* |
| 13:32 |
celeron55 |
i'm responsible for it working on my computer! but there are a few other computers |
| 13:33 |
celeron55 |
at least my neighbor has one |
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kahrl |
what? when I try to download that patch as raw text it sends me to a launchpad login site |
| 13:33 |
sapier |
yes for i18n it's like walking a dense minefield it's almost impossible not to break something else on fixing something |
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celeron55 |
kahrl: yeah it sucks |
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kahrl |
c&p to the rescue! |
| 13:34 |
celeron55 |
select it and then cat > foo.patch\n<paste>^D |
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VanessaE |
celeron55: is it wrong that I've always c&p -> text editor -> save ? heh |
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celeron55 |
VanessaE: yes, it's bloated |
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VanessaE |
force of habit :) |
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Exio4 |
VanessaE: that is why you still use pastebin.ubuntu.com |
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VanessaE |
Exio4: actually no. I do that for a different reason entirely. |
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kahrl |
anyway, I'm going to merge that patch |
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VanessaE |
because my usual pastebin choice insists on wrapping the text, and has a limit on the number of pastes per day without a login |
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kahrl |
who should I set as author? |
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celeron55 |
i made it i guess |
| 13:39 |
kahrl |
alright |
| 13:44 |
kahrl |
well now the patch doesn't apply because the pastebin converted tabs to spaces |
| 13:44 |
kahrl |
I'll do it by hand I guess |
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VanessaE |
actually I get spaces when viewed as raw too |
| 13:45 |
VanessaE |
(I am logged in) |
| 13:45 |
VanessaE |
afair, ubuntu's pastebin doesn't do that. |
| 13:45 |
VanessaE |
weird. |
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kahrl |
lol, I set the date wrong |
| 13:50 |
kahrl |
eh whatever |
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xyz |
not as bad as it could be https://gitorious.org/opensuse |
| 13:59 |
kahrl |
haha |
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VanessaE |
hm, not entirely fixed. |
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VanessaE |
[01-09 09:05] <VanessaE> ° <-- test |
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VanessaE |
renders as a blank char when it comes back through the minetest client. |
| 14:06 |
VanessaE |
make that no char at all. |
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VanessaE |
that might be irc mod's fault though. |
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sapier |
did anyone check it on cyrillic or chinese systems? |
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VanessaE |
RECV: :VanessaE!~vanessa 24-176-135-68.dhcp.sffl.va.charter.com PRIVMSG #minetes |
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VanessaE |
t :a<B0>b <-- test |
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VanessaE |
looks like it was logged correctly though...sorta |
| 14:09 |
VanessaE |
U+00B0 is the correct code for the symbol I typed, at least. |
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xyz |
you sure there's that char in font we use? |
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VanessaE |
idk, but i'm using freetype, DejaVu Sans font, so most likely yes |
| 14:10 |
VanessaE |
it's just the "degrees" sign |
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xyz |
sapier: just checked it, works fine |
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sapier |
ok guess you checked on linux? |
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sapier |
actually just merge it if there's an issue someone will complain ... guess about may or june |
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xyz |
yes it's merged already you're a bit slow |
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sapier |
:-) i don't look at commit history twice a minute ;-P |
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VanessaE |
ok, confirmed |
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VanessaE |
that fixed the problem with the IRC mod |
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VanessaE |
at least half of it. |
| 14:22 |
VanessaE |
server -> same server and server -> IRC works. IRC -> server and server -> other server via IRC deletes the foreign chars. |
| 14:24 |
VanessaE |
sapier: someone experiencing a brief spike of what may be sign-on lag. they are using an old client (one of those tablet ports) |
| 14:25 |
VanessaE |
or at least, suddenly the map stopped loading for them |
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VanessaE |
and they're on Nostalgia (== absolutely no heavy code, ultra-lightweight, probably even lighter than Pilzte--- nodetopia) |
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sapier |
could be the other old client bug stopping map loading completely too |
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VanessaE |
probably |
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sapier |
or the default 1024 is to big for your server too |
| 14:26 |
VanessaE |
just keeping you up to date |
| 14:26 |
sapier |
how many servers do you run there? |
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VanessaE |
five. |
| 14:26 |
VanessaE |
and right now they're all pretty quiet. |
| 14:26 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html |
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sapier |
so you should be save if you have more then 20mbit upstream |
| 14:26 |
VanessaE |
I have 100Mbps upstream. |
| 14:27 |
sapier |
ok then no need to change anything about the 1024 |
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VanessaE |
john_minetest: it compiles so fast there's almost no time for it to grab a sample :) |
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sapier |
guess those spikes are compiling? *g* |
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VanessaE |
that last big spike was, yeah |
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VanessaE |
the two before that, backup scripts and testing stuff |
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VanessaE |
the rest, various |
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sapier |
compiling doesn't show up in disk activity? interesting |
| 14:30 |
VanessaE |
sure it does, but the machine has 8 GB RAM so I guess a lot of that is cached. |
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sapier |
that's what I meant seems like all the interim data is cached only |
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sapier |
active objects would be even more interesting |
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VanessaE |
john_minetest: that's next on the list as soon as I learn a simple way to do so |
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troller |
john_minetest, always 100% |
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sapier |
realized about 2 seconds of lag with 1100 mobs active |
| 14:32 |
troller |
VanessaE servers have average 0 players, so they needed ~0 kbps upstream ;) |
| 14:32 |
sapier |
was a bug there never should've been 1100 mobs |
| 14:33 |
VanessaE |
troller: actually, my servers have been getting a bit busy lately, especially nostalgia, thanks to those android clients |
| 14:33 |
VanessaE |
sapier: the same bug that caused 300+ deer to show up in one area of my server? :) |
| 14:33 |
sapier |
very likely |
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sapier |
spawning did consider incompletely spawned mobs as player spawned ... and player spawned mobs don't count for population check |
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VanessaE |
-> #minetest |
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Megaf__ |
you cpu might be fast but you disk and ram are not |
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Megaf__ |
your* |
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xyz |
wat? ram is fast |
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xyz |
another string-related thing: why do we use char* at places? in functions like getPlayer |
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xyz |
and there's a lot of C-style stuff which can be rewritten |
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sapier |
If I had to bet I'd bet on "historic reasons" |
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sapier |
I guess it's more about code safety |
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sapier |
you can't forget to free a passed std::string but have to be very carefull on char* .... of course if you allocate the string by new and pass pointers you've got same problem |
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xyz |
john_minetest: it depends |
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celeron55 |
minetest originally didn't use the C++ standard library at all; there are probably remains of that still |
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PilzAdam |
whats the status on #1090 ? |
| 18:24 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1090 -- Network fixes udp 1 by sapier |
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celeron55 |
sapier is waiting on enough testing results |
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PilzAdam |
hmm... could it be that it keeps downloading media when I press Esc to cancel it? |
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sapier |
PilzAdam: by now it's on track, VanessaE wants some more time to give her opinion, but as far as I can se it's fine |
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sapier |
there's a timeframe where you can't chancel startup, no idea why, but I doubt this is related to networking protocol |
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sapier |
-h |
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PilzAdam |
no, it returns to the menu, but its still downloading stuff |
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sapier |
I see no way how this could be possible, but of course server will continue to send if no disconnect is sent |
| 18:42 |
sapier |
as celeron didn't want to wait for disco to be approved this is possible |
| 18:43 |
sapier |
in worst case server will stop after peer timeout |
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PilzAdam |
well, the server sent so much that my connection was locked up |
| 18:43 |
sapier |
wow :-) |
| 18:43 |
sapier |
should only be a couple of seconds till timeout is reached + network internal queueing |
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sapier |
but you're right there is still a open issue |
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PilzAdam |
is max_packets_per_iteration for server only? |
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sapier |
no it's client too but most likely it wont have any effect on client |
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sapier |
it's only relevant if you have more then one peer |
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Calinou |
tool times need fixes: most wood/stone tools are too slow |
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xyz |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L39 why? |
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celeron55 |
because http://sourceforge.net/p/irrlicht/code/HEAD/tree/tags/release-1.8/examples/03.CustomSceneNode/main.cpp#l28 |
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xyz |
no zlibwapi.lib on page from your link |
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celeron55 |
well apparently i utilized that kind of linking on some first windows builds |
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celeron55 |
you know, cmake came in only after like half a year of development |
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Ritchie |
john_minetest: skins are blue in preview formspec or if somebody uses them? |
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Ritchie |
john_minetest: what version of minetestserver and client do you have? maybe you have something bad with your skin images on server |
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