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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2013-10-30

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00:29 pitriss I want to ask, is planned to allow more than circa 4k nodes?
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00:34 VanessaE yes
00:34 VanessaE if the appropriate people will just fucking commit to it already :)
00:35 VanessaE edit mapnode.h line 46
00:35 VanessaE I set mine to 0x7fff but I personally think a value of 0xc000 or so is appropriate.
00:55 pitriss VanessaE: oh thanks:)
00:56 pitriss VanessaE: btw it is server only setting, right? So it will be possible to connect with standard client too..
00:57 VanessaE tyes
00:57 VanessaE yes
00:57 VanessaE all modern clients can already handle it
00:57 VanessaE anything pre-July 22 will not work though if you define more than 4k nodes.
00:58 VanessaE (that includes 0.4.7-stable)
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01:01 pitriss ok.. i don't really care about stable clients. so it is ok for me:)
01:01 VanessaE ok :)
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06:22 celeron55 they replied and seem to be eager to co-operate
06:22 VanessaE who, the guy who did the android port?
06:22 VanessaE sweet.
06:25 celeron55 this is my reply-to-be http://pastebin.com/mWfT4zRq
06:27 VanessaE seems okay
06:28 celeron55 sent
06:50 VanessaE bbl
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18:47 sapier wow world isn't as bad as I usually assume it is :-)
18:47 kaeza all you need is love ♥
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18:56 celeron55 they haven't done anything yet
18:56 celeron55 it's just kind words so far
18:57 celeron55 anyone can say kind words
18:58 sapier of course but I didn't even expect an answer so world is yet better than my expecataions :-)
18:59 sapier https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/973 maybe this improves situation too ;-)
19:03 thexyz are you talking about that android port?
19:03 thexyz they put "We'll publish the modification part the minetest engine source code to github soon." in the first post
19:05 celeron55 yeah, saw that
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19:29 sapier any comments on 973?
19:32 pitriss guys please when will be pushed patch which increases maximum of nodes? Will this happen before 0.4.8?
19:34 VanessaE this needs to happen before 0.4.8 imho.  one-line change that has been well-vetted on two of my servers.
19:34 ShadowNinja sapier: Wouldn't it be better to use VERSION_PATCH, VERSION_EXTRA, and VERSION_STRING; rather than VERSION_PATCH and VERSION_PATCH_ORIG?
19:55 ShadowNinja VanessaE: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/975
19:56 sapier VERSION_EXTRA usually isn't a number
19:56 VanessaE yup
19:57 sapier but file version is required to be numeric that's why I had to add VERSION_PATCH_ORIG
20:00 ShadowNinja sapier: Use VERSION_PATCH and don-t concatenate VERSION_EXTRA to the end of it.
20:00 ShadowNinja s/-/'/
20:00 sapier that'd change current way of versioning minetest
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20:21 ShadowNinja Yes, but I think it would be a better way to do it.
20:22 sapier I don't have a problem to do it that way if there's consens to do so
20:23 ShadowNinja I also opened https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/974 *Waits a few months*
20:24 sapier none seems to want to merge anything right now ... maybe we should start regular meetings to decide what to do with pull requests
20:26 ShadowNinja Good idea.
20:28 VanessaE ping a few random devs :)
20:28 sapier how many core devs are available right now? plz say something like "HERE I AM"
20:30 ShadowNinja Pilz|Adam is. (He signs off when he isn't) kahr| and hmmmn are also usually around about now.
20:30 PilzAdam nice anti-ping
20:30 PilzAdam I will go to sleep soon, though
20:31 sapier still we should talk about some way to get those pull request queue fixed ... either by tagging them 0.4.9 or merge/refuse it
20:33 VanessaE no joke there.
20:33 VanessaE as we say here, shit or get off the pot.
20:34 VanessaE (that goes as much for the folks who wrote patches that need rebasing or maintenance as for the folks who are capable of merging them)
20:34 sapier imho even if a feature is nice and usefull it may be better to be moved to a later version in order to get a 0.4.8 released this year ;-P
20:35 celeron55 here, but going to sleep soon and reading and watching things on the internet until then
20:36 PilzAdam I guess Ill have time at the next weekend
20:36 celeron55 i'm with sapier with that though; there's still a bunch of critical stuff that needs to be merged in order to not create compatibility brainhurt in the future ((some of) proller's stuff)
20:37 celeron55 anything not within that criteria goes to 0.4.9
20:37 celeron55 (and other trivial-ish fixes)
20:39 VanessaE mmh
20:39 proller 3 months for merging...
20:40 proller 1 month broken weather  (and peoples use it on servers)
20:40 VanessaE one would think that a "trivial-ish fix" would be quick to be merged in ...  that's the sorta stuff you may as well just put in now.
20:40 kahrl me, I'm peeking in occasionally but as I (believe I) said some time ago I have literally no time to code or look at patches
20:40 kahrl I even got another job since then
20:42 sapier kahrl you're not the only one here we only need two developers to sign a patch of I assume even without you there should be enough ppl to do that work
20:43 kahrl yes but it seems most other devs are kinda busy as well
20:43 VanessaE kahrl: s/busy/bored of engine development\?/
20:43 sapier maybe we should write a list first who is actually available atm?
20:44 kahrl VanessaE: maybe ;)
20:44 PilzAdam VanessaE, as for me I am busy
20:45 sapier do we have a core developer list in wiki? :-) what about adding a table <developer> <state> <estimated time till state change> ;-)
20:45 kahrl me being busy is crap because I can't finish the httpfetch or other stuff I have started
20:45 kahrl but not much I can do :/
20:45 ShadowNinja sapier: https://github.com/minetest?tab=members
20:45 sapier state beeing "available"|"partial available"|"rarely available" and "busy" ;-)
20:46 sapier hmm ok I guess pa is most available of those
20:46 sapier proller and sfan5 are quite active too
20:46 ShadowNinja Most of them are "rarely available".
20:47 sapier yes I'd at best give pa a partly available ;-) no offence pa ;-)
20:47 ShadowNinja Of course it depends what you define those as.
20:49 sfan5 sapier: I'm available
20:50 sfan5 I'll have more time on the weekend after the next weekend+
20:50 sfan5 s/+//
20:51 sapier so are you ready to do some sorting of pull requests? be prepared some ppl might not be pleased if their feature is moved to 0.4.9
21:00 sfan5 yes
21:06 celeron55 adding or switching core developers is an option too, but i don't want to do that unnecessarily or in such a way that isn't likely to result in anything better
21:15 VanessaE I just wanna be able to stop telling my users "get the latest git to use my servers", at least for a little while.
21:15 VanessaE it would be nice to just say "get 0.4.8-stable".
21:15 VanessaE (given how many people don't even know about git, let alone those who do and refuse it)
21:30 sapier @ALL developers please rebase all pull requests until 1st november 2013 if you want them to have a chance to be merged in this weekends pull merge session ;-)
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21:37 nore sapier, I reckon mine are ok currently...
21:39 sapier then you don't have to do anything of course
21:42 VanessaE afaik the one I have pending against minetest_game is good
21:42 sapier it's just a reminder it's useless to check pulls that don't even apply
21:48 ShadowNinja Perhaps we should have a definite time between releases, rather than "Whenever it seems ready."
21:48 sapier a time doesn't help if you find a blocker 1 day before release the release is gone anyway
21:49 sapier imho a feature freeze is best to do
21:51 ShadowNinja sapier: Yes, a feature freeze would happen before, and the release could alwas be delayed a bit. But that way we don't wait a month for a release and then wait half a year.
21:52 VanessaE crap
21:52 VanessaE oops
21:52 sapier after feature freeze a release should happen within reasonable time ... agreed to that
21:53 VanessaE I can agree - provided the feature freeze lasts long enough to actually get the good, hard bufixes inm
21:53 VanessaE bugfixes*
21:53 sapier I think about something like 2-4 weeks between ff and release
21:54 ShadowNinja Alright, what should the spacing between releases be?
21:54 sapier I'd not use a fixed raster for this
21:55 sapier but maybe we could provide unstable weekly/monthly builds
21:55 ShadowNinja 0.4.7 -- authored 5 months ago. How about 3 months?
21:55 VanessaE if I had to suggest, 2 to 3 months maximum
21:56 sapier minetest development seems to be quite seasonal e.g. usually christmas time lots of new features get added
22:00 sapier ok I guess I need to do some work for modstore at least version number of a mod needs to be shown prior download
22:01 ShadowNinja Can a dev(sfan5?) go to https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/856 and check the merge status? (Unfourtunately GitHub doesn't show it to non-devs)
22:14 sfan5 ShadowNinja: 'This pull request can be automatically merged.'
22:15 ShadowNinja Thanks. :-)
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