| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
hmmmm |
yeah that's probably because of the trees |
| 00:00 |
hmmmm |
err |
| 00:00 |
hmmmm |
caves |
| 00:00 |
RealBadAngel |
aging loop |
| 00:00 |
hmmmm |
and then trees from that chunk generation are placed over it |
| 00:00 |
RealBadAngel |
cut it out for sake of testing |
| 00:00 |
hmmmm |
aging loop doesn't make a difference, the trees are generated clearly after that |
| 00:01 |
RealBadAngel |
not |
| 00:01 |
hmmmm |
if you cut out the aging loop, all that would do is really reduce the amount of caves |
| 00:01 |
VanessaE |
yes - reduce it to nothing but landscape - no caves, no default trees, no aging, no mud reflow. |
| 00:01 |
RealBadAngel |
if it was true, caves wont carve holes in trees |
| 00:01 |
VanessaE |
see how it performs then |
| 00:01 |
hmmmm |
no, i know exactly why caves carve holes in trees |
| 00:01 |
hmmmm |
it has to do with the boundaries from other chunk generations |
| 00:01 |
RealBadAngel |
caves :) |
| 00:02 |
RealBadAngel |
look, ive seen blobs inside of trees |
| 00:02 |
hmmmm |
i can fix it too |
| 00:02 |
hmmmm |
i know precisely what needs to be done |
| 00:02 |
RealBadAngel |
that clearly shows that caves are generated after |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
how does that affect new content being re-added *after* trees are generated? |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
for example, I've got one spot in a map that a tree loses its trunk to cavegen, and then gets covered over by stone and *gravel* |
| 00:03 |
VanessaE |
(I think it's a willow, from moretreesS) |
| 00:03 |
VanessaE |
-S |
| 00:03 |
hmmmm |
alright i'll explain it in full detail |
| 00:03 |
hmmmm |
here's what happens: |
| 00:03 |
RealBadAngel |
ok |
| 00:03 |
hmmmm |
a chunk is getting generated, a cave, or tree, or whatever get spawned in the boundaries |
| 00:03 |
hmmmm |
so that's just the tree or whatever surrounded by a whole bunch of content_ignore |
| 00:04 |
hmmmm |
now that chunk actually gets generated |
| 00:04 |
hmmmm |
it doesn't get overwritten by the terrain generation because it doesn't get overwritten since it's not content_ignore, they're the blocks that make up a tree |
| 00:04 |
hmmmm |
however the cave generation doesn't check for that |
| 00:05 |
hmmmm |
if you look at where the cave generator actually places the blocks, you'll see that the only things it doesn't replace are content ignore, content air, water source, or lava source |
| 00:05 |
hmmmm |
everything else gets replaced |
| 00:05 |
hmmmm |
and if it's a large cave, then everything gets replaced no matter what the current node is |
| 00:06 |
RealBadAngel |
well, lets check this out. im commenting out whole cavegen |
| 00:06 |
VanessaE |
ok, so far so good. |
| 00:06 |
VanessaE |
but there's one step missing from that: |
| 00:07 |
VanessaE |
what about the *new* content being added after the trees are generated and caves are carved? is that part of cavegen or something else? |
| 00:07 |
hmmmm |
again, that new content is just an adjacent chunk being generated |
| 00:07 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 00:08 |
hmmmm |
so you have a chunk that's already generated |
| 00:08 |
hmmmm |
have the trees there and whatever |
| 00:08 |
hmmmm |
so the chunk next to it generates |
| 00:08 |
hmmmm |
and part of its boundary is a piece of the stuff that's already been generated |
| 00:08 |
hmmmm |
trees included |
| 00:08 |
hmmmm |
and then it replaces that neighboring, already generated chunk's trees with a cave from the boundary |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_159864163.png |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
so this is the result of that |
| 00:09 |
hmmmm |
yes |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 00:09 |
hmmmm |
it happens |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
now I understand |
| 00:10 |
VanessaE |
do you have a solution in mind? |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
because really, this sounds non-trivial to fix |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
'cuz my beautiful, elegant, perfect trees are being griefed by that evil mapgen ;=-) |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
;-) |
| 00:13 |
hmmmm |
yes, i do |
| 00:13 |
hmmmm |
i'd like to be the one to fix it though' |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
ok |
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| 00:20 |
RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, ive added seed value in TreeDef table |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
I'm still not clear what this is for |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
(nor whether plants_lib can use it, since it already employs three layers of perlin + random spread) |
| 00:21 |
RealBadAngel |
when you will generate map with a certain seed |
| 00:21 |
RealBadAngel |
all the trees will look the same, as the world does |
| 00:22 |
RealBadAngel |
but when spawning them, you can pass there any seed you like to |
| 00:22 |
RealBadAngel |
or just skip it, it will be 0 then |
| 00:23 |
RealBadAngel |
hmmm, cleaning the mess, will pull the changes in half an hour or so |
| 00:24 |
RealBadAngel |
need to test just Lua side |
| 01:10 |
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| 01:33 |
RealBadAngel |
hmmmm, youre there? |
| 01:33 |
hmmmm |
yes? |
| 01:34 |
RealBadAngel |
pushed already to my fork, last time compile before pull |
| 01:34 |
hmmmm |
what'd you push |
| 01:34 |
RealBadAngel |
all trees are seeded now |
| 01:34 |
hmmmm |
oh that |
| 01:34 |
RealBadAngel |
default and l-systems |
| 01:37 |
hmmmm |
(264, 1.5, -429) |
| 01:37 |
hmmmm |
whoops |
| 01:37 |
hmmmm |
erm anyway, seeing as how we have snowballs, why don't we have ender pearls? |
| 01:38 |
hmmmm |
they're very convenient |
| 01:41 |
RealBadAngel |
you mean teleporting to the spot they hit? |
| 01:42 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/505 |
| 01:42 |
hmmmm |
yea |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
I think someone wrote a mod to do something like that |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
teleporting arrow or some such |
| 01:42 |
RealBadAngel |
PA |
| 01:52 |
Exio |
i think before adding more stuff in that way or mods, any way to sincronize more data between the client and the server should be done, at this moment a lot of stuff is done only server side and really small things are "predicted" by the client |
| 01:53 |
Exio |
in any case i'm saying as an user :P |
| 01:55 |
Exio |
i'd compare mt with mc, for example, when you "use" a bucket or a door, in mc the client sends the "open door", it opens the door locally, then the clients waits for a "ok" or "not" from the server |
| 01:58 |
Exio |
if your connection has a low latency, you don't really see it as a problem, but when you has 300~600 ms of latency you see the difference |
| 01:59 |
Exio |
as i said, in any case, i'm not a "core dev", i didn't check the code much for saying anything, but i just throw the idea |
| 02:00 |
RealBadAngel |
some things shall indeed be passed to client side |
| 02:01 |
Exio |
things like the on rightclick/use, should be "predicted" by the client |
| 02:01 |
RealBadAngel |
hmmmm, can you push the trees stuff? |
| 02:02 |
hmmmm |
yeah hold on |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
and push your new_emerge stuff so i can update :) |
| 02:02 |
RealBadAngel |
tommorow i would like to finish 6d facedir |
| 02:03 |
RealBadAngel |
only rotating textures for nodeboxes are left |
| 02:03 |
RealBadAngel |
it will also come with meshes/indices bugfix |
| 02:06 |
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| 02:06 |
hmmmm |
now i trust that you've tested it and everything... |
| 02:06 |
RealBadAngel |
i do test everythin before pushin |
| 02:07 |
RealBadAngel |
safer |
| 02:07 |
hmmmm |
oh guys |
| 02:07 |
hmmmm |
in this thread http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=72280#p72280 somebody tell them to report their operating system too |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
*raises eyebrow* |
| 02:08 |
hmmmm |
and if there's an error, give the exact error |
| 02:08 |
hmmmm |
and their hardware configuration too |
| 02:08 |
hmmmm |
(i mostly need to know the number of cores) |
| 02:09 |
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| 02:10 |
VanessaE |
posted. |
| 02:10 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=72344#p72344 |
| 02:10 |
hmmmm |
one detail |
| 02:10 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 02:11 |
hmmmm |
debug.txt isn't enabled by default anymore, so when telling people to print debug stuff, they have to set debug_log_level=1 at least |
| 02:11 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 02:11 |
hmmmm |
1 prints errors and debug messages, 2 is that and action, 3 is that and info, 4 is everything |
| 02:12 |
hmmmm |
by the way, if you want server actions such as "foo placed a node at X" or "foo logged on" to be logged in debug.txt, you need to have that set to 2 |
| 02:12 |
VanessaE |
fixed. |
| 02:12 |
VanessaE |
brb |
| 02:17 |
hmmmm |
this is really frusturating |
| 02:17 |
hmmmm |
i want to put the seal on this branch but there are *some* windows users with this odd runaway memory allocation problem |
| 02:18 |
RealBadAngel |
do you know how much ram theyre using? |
| 02:19 |
hmmmm |
of course not |
| 02:19 |
Exio |
hmmmm: in case you need a low-end-cpu benchmark i can compile mt in my netbook (intel atom n270 @ 1gb ram) and try it |
| 02:19 |
hmmmm |
well, does your netbook run windows? :) |
| 02:19 |
hmmmm |
we need windows peopel |
| 02:19 |
hmmmm |
people* |
| 02:19 |
Exio |
nope |
| 02:19 |
hmmmm |
yeah, exactly.. =/ |
| 02:20 |
RealBadAngel |
lol, it looks like windows is becoming rare here |
| 02:20 |
Exio |
i can use other "maybe low end" laptop, but it has windows 7 something premium, 4gb ram, a c10 and stuff |
| 02:20 |
hmmmm |
eh doesn't matter, just need windows in general |
| 02:20 |
Exio |
ok, let me get it |
| 02:20 |
hmmmm |
what kind of cpu does it have |
| 02:20 |
RealBadAngel |
well i do have win7 64bit |
| 02:20 |
RealBadAngel |
hasnt logged there for months ;) |
| 02:21 |
Exio |
amd c10 dual core at 1.0 ghz |
| 02:21 |
hmmmm |
ah |
| 02:21 |
hmmmm |
yes |
| 02:21 |
RealBadAngel |
my machine is 1.8ghz dual core, 4gb ram |
| 02:21 |
hmmmm |
it'll run with only one emergethread at default settings |
| 02:22 |
Exio |
if you need a single core laptop, i can get one with a sempron too |
| 02:22 |
hmmmm |
you need at least a quad core (or a dual core with hyperthreading, for that matter...) for it to use multiple threads by default |
| 02:22 |
RealBadAngel |
can it be tested runtime? |
| 02:23 |
hmmmm |
? |
| 02:23 |
RealBadAngel |
how many cores folks do have? |
| 02:23 |
hmmmm |
oh, you want me to add reporting for number of cores? |
| 02:23 |
RealBadAngel |
no, using them |
| 02:23 |
hmmmm |
yes of course |
| 02:23 |
Exio |
hmmmm: so, will my test will be "worth" for something? |
| 02:23 |
RealBadAngel |
if single core is found dont allow multi |
| 02:23 |
hmmmm |
see porting.cpp, getNumberOfProcessors() |
| 02:23 |
hmmmm |
exio, yes |
| 02:23 |
Exio |
ok, brb then |
| 02:24 |
hmmmm |
it'll be worth telling us if it's okay on windows with a single thread |
| 02:24 |
hmmmm |
because if that's so, i can just mark it as an experimental "no warranty" sort of feature that people can enable if they so choose |
| 02:24 |
hmmmm |
and then have 1 emergethread be the default no matter what |
| 02:25 |
RealBadAngel |
imho that should be automated |
| 02:25 |
RealBadAngel |
1 core 1 thread and so on |
| 02:26 |
hmmmm |
it _is_ automated, but i just don't want it to be any more than 1 thread until all the problems are 100% ironed out with mutli-threads |
| 02:26 |
hmmmm |
see emerge.cpp, line 56 |
| 02:26 |
hmmmm |
that's where i decide how many threads it gets |
| 02:27 |
RealBadAngel |
got it |
| 02:28 |
hmmmm |
shit |
| 02:28 |
hmmmm |
oh siht |
| 02:28 |
RealBadAngel |
what? |
| 02:28 |
hmmmm |
i see the problem, i know why they had the memory allocation problem |
| 02:28 |
hmmmm |
how stupid i am |
| 02:28 |
RealBadAngel |
found a bug? |
| 02:28 |
hmmmm |
yes |
| 02:28 |
Exio |
*windows 7 finishes booting* |
| 02:28 |
RealBadAngel |
with such complex stuff its normal |
| 02:29 |
Exio |
* hmmmm gets where the bug waS * |
| 02:29 |
Exio |
perfect timing eh? :P |
| 02:29 |
hmmmm |
yeah exio, if you use the build that's currently there, in theory it should totally crash |
| 02:29 |
hmmmm |
dunno just try it to confirm my theory? |
| 02:30 |
hmmmm |
this was a really dumb bug too, i feel like the only way to explain it is that i was drunk when i wrote that statement, but i don't drink |
| 02:30 |
Exio |
what is the bug? |
| 02:30 |
Exio |
btw, downloading |
| 02:31 |
Exio |
if i started this windows is for something! |
| 02:31 |
hmmmm |
it should either totally crash with an error that says "bad std::alloc()" or something, or it should seem to freeze up and constantly use the hard disk |
| 02:32 |
Exio |
but what was exactly "the problem"? some memleak? |
| 02:33 |
hmmmm |
dunno, you tell me: https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/blob/new_emerge/src/emerge.cpp#L59 |
| 02:36 |
Exio |
what's wrong with that? |
| 02:36 |
hmmmm |
what if the number of cores is less than or equal to 2? |
| 02:36 |
hmmmm |
nthreads never gets set to anything |
| 02:38 |
Exio |
oh |
| 02:38 |
Exio |
nice, mt froze |
| 02:38 |
Exio |
Some exception! |
| 02:38 |
Exio |
exactly, bad alloc :P |
| 02:38 |
hmmmm |
it ran out of memory |
| 02:39 |
Exio |
it startes with nthreads=1337*9001 ^^ |
| 02:39 |
Exio |
started* |
| 02:39 |
Exio |
well, going back to the desktop |
| 02:39 |
hmmmm |
thanks btw |
| 02:40 |
hmmmm |
wait |
| 02:40 |
VanessaE |
well I guess it's... (sunglasses) over now. |
| 02:40 |
Exio |
i should install the mingw-stuff and get a way to build MT in my x6 |
| 02:40 |
Exio |
hmmmm: yep? |
| 02:40 |
hmmmm |
in minetest.conf, set num_emerge_threads = 1 and then try, you should be able to use it fine |
| 02:40 |
RealBadAngel |
a bit over 0 and shes wearing sunglasses already ;) |
| 02:40 |
hmmmm |
but i just want to make sure that you don't have a problem |
| 02:41 |
Exio |
kk |
| 02:41 |
hmmmm |
i see when it runs in wine, it complains about some critical sections being deadlocked when they're not |
| 02:41 |
hmmmm |
so i wonder if that's an actual problem or not |
| 02:41 |
RealBadAngel |
im off, be back in the morning |
| 02:42 |
RealBadAngel |
cya |
| 02:42 |
VanessaE |
night RBA |
| 02:42 |
hmmmm |
bye |
| 02:43 |
Exio |
hmmmm: working perfectly |
| 02:44 |
Exio |
any other thing? |
| 02:44 |
hmmmm |
nope |
| 02:44 |
hmmmm |
thanks a bunch |
| 02:45 |
Exio |
back from the desktop, if you need any tester, either in linux or windows, highligh me |
| 02:45 |
Exio |
+t |
| 02:56 |
hmmmm |
i am feeling really confident in this branch now, i think it's good to merge with the default number of threads still 1 |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
and if it breaks, well, it's git. it's "unstable". |
| 02:57 |
VanessaE |
(or "in development" or any of the other equivalent words and phrases) |
| 02:57 |
hmmmm |
sure |
| 02:57 |
hmmmm |
so it seems like i'm going to have to find a complete solution to the cave-walling/tree-cutting problem |
| 02:59 |
hmmmm |
right now i recommend people to use multiple emerge threads if they 1). don't care if cave generation is slightly buggy, and 2). don't use mods, or very light mods that don't create discrete structures such as moretrees |
| 02:59 |
hmmmm |
and 3). if they have 4 or more cores |
| 02:59 |
hmmmm |
(hey, that fits my usage scenario perfectly, whaddya know) |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 03:47 |
hmmmm |
since this is really big, i'm going to wait for celeron's explicit approval |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
probably a good idea |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
though c55 tends not to want to have to make those decisions. |
| 05:38 |
hmmmm |
what would you call the collective of things such as ores, cactuses, papayrus, nyancats, and clay? "decorations"? |
| 05:40 |
VanessaE |
good question |
| 05:40 |
VanessaE |
resources? |
| 05:43 |
VanessaE |
I normally just call such things content, as distinct from terrain (dirt, stone, sand, desert stone/sand) |
| 05:47 |
VanessaE |
or one could classify it as terrain (dirt, stone, etc), foliage (grass, papyrus, cacti, trees), and resources (everything else) |
| 05:49 |
Exio |
resources is better imo |
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| 06:10 |
VanessaE |
ok, my curiosity is piqued. why? |
| 06:41 |
celeron55 |
something like "inserts" could work |
| 06:41 |
VanessaE |
er.. |
| 06:41 |
VanessaE |
maybe if you're talking about adding "pages" to a magazine :-) |
| 06:43 |
celeron55 |
who cares if the word has a meaning like that in the magazine industry |
| 06:43 |
celeron55 |
it's similarly silly as "socket" is, or pretty much anything |
| 06:44 |
celeron55 |
"insertion" would be less confusing when used in varying language though |
| 06:47 |
celeron55 |
it doesn't really matter what the word ends up being, as long as it isn't a small subset of what it actually means, and as long as it isn't excessively long or hard to spell |
| 06:52 |
celeron55 |
calling them something like "fucks" would be finer to me than "ores" 8) |
| 06:55 |
celeron55 |
--- |
| 06:55 |
celeron55 |
by the way, i would recommend setting the default log level to 2 |
| 06:56 |
celeron55 |
it shouldn't kill performance or fill disks with crap, but would contain most of what is needed when resolving problems |
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sapier |
no comments on https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/504 ? this is time critical as it's worth diminishes very fast as others progress on changing scriptapi.cpp |
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troller |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/482 - wants to merge, try on server h4.setun.net:30000 |
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| 15:02 |
hmmmm |
hey celeron55, so what do you think about the new_emerge branch? good to go? at the moment the only known problem is the cave-walling/tree-cutting, for which we'll find a good solution later. for now, the number of emergethreads is clamped to 1 by default for any number of cores so there are no regressions whatsoever, but it is optional if people want slightly buggy but really fast map generation |
| 15:03 |
hmmmm |
https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commits/new_emerge |
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Exio |
<celeron|55> by the way, i would recommend setting the default log level to 2 <celeron|55> it shouldn't kill performance or fill disks with crap, but would contain most of what is needed when resolving problems |
| 15:11 |
hmmmm |
yeah i figured he'd say that |
| 15:11 |
Exio |
addeds the | for avoiding the highlight, that was some hours ago |
| 15:11 |
hmmmm |
he was just highlighted by my message about 8 minutes ago |
| 15:11 |
hmmmm |
he's around, anyway |
| 15:18 |
sapier |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/504 scriptapi split pull request |
| 15:27 |
thexyz |
i think it's ok |
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| 15:37 |
celeron55 |
continuing from #minetest: you can move development onto github.com/minetest any day if you want |
| 15:38 |
celeron55 |
i wonder if github is willing to move issues and pull requests in such a case |
| 15:38 |
celeron55 |
because otherwise it's kind of a pain |
| 15:41 |
PilzAdam |
what would be the benefit of this? it will simply break all links etc. |
| 15:42 |
celeron55 |
there are two benefits: 1) it emphasizes the community development status of the project, 2) it allows us to have multiple people (who have access to the account) that can manage push accesses |
| 15:43 |
celeron55 |
then there is an almost infinitely long list of drawbacks |
| 16:00 |
troller |
celeron55, liquids wants to merge https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/482 |
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hmmmm |
so does there really need to be a head honcho? |
| 16:36 |
jordach |
depends if we need one |
| 16:38 |
celeron55 |
i don't know |
| 16:38 |
hmmmm |
the way Xfce does it, there's just 4 core developers, and the others are listed as active contributors |
| 16:45 |
celeron55 |
i don't see why that wouldn't work, as long as the people mostly agree to similar goals |
| 16:46 |
celeron55 |
but really, as far as i can see how things work, we'd need just a small-ish thing |
| 16:46 |
hmmmm |
hrm, alright, so how about core contributors are contributors with full access to the shared github account, read/write privileges, everything. these are the most active people and who have contributed the most and blah blah blah |
| 16:46 |
celeron55 |
which is, a person whose whole task would be to handle contributions |
| 16:47 |
hmmmm |
active developers are those who contribute _code to the minetest core_ and get a vote in the matters for the core |
| 16:47 |
celeron55 |
mostly just 1) find out if enough core devs agree with merging, 2) merge |
| 16:47 |
celeron55 |
because devs... really just want to dev |
| 16:47 |
hmmmm |
then thre's additional contributors who is everybody else, these people have made pull requests and whatever, but aren't really part of the project |
| 16:47 |
celeron55 |
not mess around with stuff others have done |
| 16:48 |
hmmmm |
core and active developers get minetest.net email addresses? |
| 16:48 |
hmmmm |
and of course there needs to be a mailing list at this point |
| 16:48 |
thexyz |
https://github.com/blog/674-introducing-organizations ? |
| 16:49 |
hmmmm |
that's good |
| 16:49 |
hmmmm |
that simplifies things... still need to work on the actual structure of minetest though |
| 16:50 |
celeron55 |
doesn't help at all regarding "< PilzAdam> it will simply break all links etc." |
| 16:50 |
hmmmm |
who cares about that |
| 16:50 |
celeron55 |
in the long term, nobody |
| 16:50 |
hmmmm |
all links change |
| 16:50 |
celeron55 |
in the short term, everybody |
| 16:50 |
thexyz |
just post a notice at celeron55/minetest |
| 16:51 |
celeron55 |
is this https://github.com/Minetest an organization? |
| 16:52 |
thexyz |
nope but there's a fancy button to turn it into an organization |
| 16:52 |
thexyz |
should I press it now? |
| 16:52 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 16:53 |
celeron55 |
guess so |
| 16:53 |
thexyz |
ok |
| 16:54 |
hmmmm |
so while we're on the topic |
| 16:54 |
hmmmm |
celeron, i guess you're not going to add back mapgen v5? |
| 16:54 |
thexyz |
done |
| 16:54 |
celeron55 |
hmmmm: not in a short time at least |
| 16:55 |
thexyz |
hm.. |
| 16:55 |
hmmmm |
so would you call yourself a core developer? active contributor? additional contributor? |
| 16:56 |
hmmmm |
we could add people to a 'core team alumni' list or something like here http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributors/contrib-corealumni.html |
| 16:56 |
celeron55 |
i actively do two things: 1) make sure websites work, 2) consult people regarding to design of old and new stuff |
| 16:56 |
thexyz |
i guess i should now remove minetest/minetest and then celeron55 should https://help.github.com/articles/how-to-transfer-a-repository |
| 16:58 |
celeron55 |
hmmmm: generally open source projects have an original author as kind of a separate mention from the current developers |
| 16:58 |
celeron55 |
(if they started as a project of one person) |
| 16:59 |
hmmmm |
simple enough.. so who's going to do the website work to reflect all these changes that are going on right now? |
| 17:00 |
thexyz |
ok, deleted |
| 17:01 |
celeron55 |
hmm, what could go wrong |
| 17:02 |
celeron55 |
i guess not too much |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
don't tempt the evil eye, c55 :) |
| 17:03 |
hmmmm |
there is no evil eye here |
| 17:03 |
celeron55 |
moved |
| 17:04 |
celeron55 |
and then minetest_game... |
| 17:04 |
hmmmm |
you also have to move minetest_game, no? |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
done too |
| 17:09 |
celeron55 |
somebody has to update the readme now |
| 17:09 |
thexyz |
readme.txt, website, ohloh, etc, etc.. |
| 17:10 |
celeron55 |
i'll do the main website and ohloh |
| 17:10 |
celeron55 |
(because nobody else can't, probably) |
| 17:10 |
thexyz |
i'll update the wiki then |
| 17:11 |
hmmmm |
shouldn't vanessa have privileges to minetest_game? |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
I must decline that. |
| 17:15 |
celeron55 |
apparently ohloh is editable by anyone registered in there |
| 17:15 |
celeron55 |
well, did that anyway |
| 17:16 |
jordach |
actually, VanessaE would be the current best candidate for minetest_game |
| 17:20 |
celeron55 |
i am going to change the line "Minetest is developed by Perttu "celeron55" Ahola and a number of contributors." on the front page; what shall it be? |
| 17:21 |
celeron55 |
Minetest is developed by a group of people who have odd fetishes towards blocks and pixels |
| 17:21 |
celeron55 |
hmm |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
how about "Minetest is developed by a fair number of people" with those last three words being linked to some kind of official contributors' list |
| 17:21 |
darkrose |
"Minetest is developed by a random group of lunatics" |
| 17:21 |
celeron55 |
*cough* |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 17:22 |
VanessaE |
last four words rather. |
| 17:22 |
celeron55 |
darkrose: actually, i'll go with exactly that for now |
| 17:22 |
celeron55 |
with a link to ohloh :-D |
| 17:23 |
darkrose |
awesome :D |
| 17:26 |
thexyz |
hmmmm: you forgot to add debug_log_level to minetest.conf.example |
| 17:28 |
celeron55 |
anyone updating the readme? |
| 17:28 |
celeron55 |
+(s) |
| 17:32 |
celeron55 |
i am, then |
| 17:32 |
celeron55 |
actually, i'm too lazy |
| 17:33 |
* celeron55 |
hides |
| 17:33 |
PilzAdam |
only update the links? |
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sfan5 |
celeron55: how about inserting the same line thats ingame in the about tab |
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sfan5 |
can you somehow change the pull request destination of a github fork? |
| 17:37 |
thexyz |
someone should also replace all "Minetest-c55" in cpp/header files with "Minetest" |
| 17:37 |
Exio |
i checked with my fork, and it now points to minetest/minetest sfan5 |
| 17:37 |
thexyz |
& maybe copyright year? |
| 17:37 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, will do |
| 17:38 |
sfan5 |
how'd you do that |
| 17:39 |
thexyz |
also, I still think we should switch to another forum engine, just tried to add inline code tag into punbb... fuck. |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
punbb is nice, phpbb is overbloated |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
and others are commercial :P |
| 17:40 |
celeron55 |
thexyz: is that easy in *anything*? |
| 17:40 |
* sfan5 |
agrees with Calinou |
| 17:41 |
* sfan5 |
agrees with thexyz in the point that it is difficult to make plugins for punbb that add new tag etc. |
| 17:44 |
PilzAdam |
can someone check this diffs: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commits/readme |
| 17:44 |
celeron55 |
developer wiki has changed too |
| 17:44 |
sfan5 |
the buildbot needs an update too |
| 17:46 |
thexyz |
punbb is nice but not extensible at all |
| 17:46 |
PilzAdam |
anything else? |
| 17:47 |
celeron55 |
umm... wtf is "their contributors" |
| 17:47 |
celeron55 |
it should be "the contributors", or actually just "contributors" |
| 17:47 |
PilzAdam |
heh, dunno took it from here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/429 |
| 17:49 |
sfan5 |
patch for buildbot: http://pastie.org/pastes/6329062/text |
| 17:49 |
PilzAdam |
better now? |
| 17:52 |
thexyz |
celeron55: http://xenforo.com/community/resources/custom-bb-code-manager.173/ |
| 17:52 |
thexyz |
should do the trick |
| 17:53 |
hmmmm |
thexyz, i forgot to add all of the settings i've introduced to minetest.conf.example |
| 17:53 |
hmmmm |
i totally did not get around to any of that |
| 17:56 |
hmmmm |
you know, speaking of random, celeron uses the word 'random' way too much to describe non-random things that are actually miscellaneous |
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| 17:57 |
hmmmm |
it reminds me of a teenaged girl who says "omg i'm just being soo totally random xD" |
| 17:57 |
hmmmm |
and makes a duckface while wearing a novelty hat |
| 17:57 |
hmmmm |
or something along those lines |
| 17:57 |
* VanessaE |
shouts something miscellaneous at hmmmm |
| 17:57 |
VanessaE |
;0 |
| 17:57 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 17:58 |
PilzAdam |
what about this https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/README.txt#L20 ? |
| 17:59 |
hmmmm |
what of it? |
| 17:59 |
PilzAdam |
should I change it to http://www.minetest.net/download.php ? |
| 17:59 |
thexyz |
-www |
| 18:06 |
celeron55 |
that line is funny because what is described in there hasn't ever been done |
| 18:18 |
hmmmm |
how does ohlol work? |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
it's ohloh :P |
| 18:19 |
hmmmm |
you have to sign up for it to be listed? |
| 18:19 |
hmmmm |
hrmm |
| 18:19 |
PilzAdam |
no, it also lists you if you dont sign up |
| 18:19 |
hmmmm |
i'm not listed at all |
| 18:19 |
hmmmm |
also a couple other people |
| 18:20 |
hmmmm |
it looks like it only commits people whose primary language is lua |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
most of what I did was C++ iirc |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
and it says I made 2 commits... I made 3 :P |
| 18:21 |
PilzAdam |
seems like it has some bugs... |
| 18:22 |
hmmmm |
it's missing a lot of files in the source directory |
| 18:22 |
hmmmm |
it's as if it hasn't been updated or it's following a 0.3-stable branch |
| 18:23 |
PilzAdam |
it says "100% Lua" and "License: GPL-2.0+" |
| 18:23 |
hmmmm |
yeah this is messed up, i wouldn't rely on it for an actual list of contributors |
| 18:23 |
hmmmm |
just saying |
| 18:24 |
PilzAdam |
homepage and download link are also wrong |
| 18:26 |
PilzAdam |
changed the code location to minetest/minetest, its loading now |
| 18:27 |
PilzAdam |
currently only minetest_game is loaded, so it says "100% Lua" |
| 18:28 |
hmmmm |
yeah, it only analyzed minetest_game... |
| 18:29 |
PilzAdam |
do we have "LGPL v3.0 or later"? |
| 18:29 |
hmmmm |
pretty sure it's LGPL 2.0 |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: update all copyrights are just the ones from celer*n55 |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
*or |
| 18:30 |
PilzAdam |
README says 2.1 or later |
| 18:32 |
PilzAdam |
fixed license and links |
| 18:35 |
PilzAdam |
celeron55, the url for minetest in ohloh is still "minetest-c55", should be change it? |
| 18:35 |
PilzAdam |
*we |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/506 |
| 18:41 |
hmmmm |
maybe they should be changed to something like 2010- |
| 18:41 |
proller |
pullers! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/482 - fixed, tested, ready! |
| 18:42 |
hmmmm |
also, maybe people should add their name/email to a copyright notification if they significantly modify a file instead of just having celeron's alone |
| 18:43 |
hmmmm |
proller, you say it's tested but the travis build failed |
| 18:43 |
hmmmm |
oh weird, nevermind |
| 18:45 |
proller |
fatal: unable to connect to github.com: |
| 18:45 |
proller |
7github.com[0: 207.97.227.239]: errno=Connection timed out |
| 18:45 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, can you update travis? |
| 18:45 |
proller |
hmmmm, its not mine error |
| 18:45 |
hmmmm |
yeah i saw |
| 18:46 |
PilzAdam |
hmmmm, ohloh is ready now |
| 18:47 |
hmmmm |
oh, lol! |
| 18:48 |
proller |
hmmmm, it was tested with hardcore mese tnt from nuke mod, 3-5 min and result cave flooded |
| 18:49 |
hmmmm |
i'm just looking over some things and waiting for the consensus on merging |
| 18:49 |
hmmmm |
i mean it's not my call alone |
| 18:51 |
hmmmm |
i think it looks good. |
| 18:52 |
hmmmm |
plizadam, you? sfan? thexyz? |
| 18:52 |
hmmmm |
realbadangel i know is a yes since he's the one to ask for finite liquids in the first place |
| 18:52 |
hmmmm |
sapier? darkrose? |
| 18:52 |
RealBadAngel |
youre right :) |
| 18:53 |
darkrose |
what? |
| 18:53 |
hmmmm |
what do you think about the finite liquids |
| 18:53 |
hmmmm |
good to merge? |
| 18:53 |
RealBadAngel |
tested it and works fine |
| 18:54 |
RealBadAngel |
and i like the idea of it |
| 18:54 |
celeron55 |
i tested it once and my server just completely jammed; wasn't impressed |
| 18:54 |
proller |
celeron55, it was a bug |
| 18:54 |
hmmmm |
yes but did you test the current version |
| 18:54 |
RealBadAngel |
have you tried recent version? |
| 18:54 |
celeron55 |
hmmmm: no |
| 18:54 |
hmmmm |
(the answer is no) |
| 18:54 |
hmmmm |
exactly |
| 18:55 |
RealBadAngel |
imho it is good to go |
| 18:55 |
hmmmm |
grr i'll test it myself. |
| 18:56 |
proller |
now with protection over-sea from flooding with springs |
| 18:56 |
proller |
and with demo underground springs |
| 18:56 |
proller |
in minimal game |
| 18:57 |
proller |
you can dig spring or find it in caves |
| 18:58 |
PilzAdam |
the good thing about finite liquids is, that they are disabled by default |
| 18:58 |
RealBadAngel |
can somebody take a look on it? i got a problem with this piece of code: http://pastebin.com/AbXsa9CX |
| 18:58 |
PilzAdam |
merging them will result in many people testing them |
| 18:58 |
PilzAdam |
s/them(it |
| 18:58 |
RealBadAngel |
it rotates textures for nodeboxes, but for all boxes inside nodebox it is rotated just once |
| 18:59 |
proller |
PilzAdam, now disabled by default |
| 18:59 |
proller |
it can broke all water lifts in current servers |
| 18:59 |
darkrose |
if I dig a hole from ground to the bottom of the map and put a water source above it, will the hole fill with flowing water? |
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| 18:59 |
proller |
and flood anything underground |
| 19:00 |
proller |
darkrose, it will fill any air block |
| 19:01 |
proller |
and no touch no_content, as old water |
| 19:01 |
darkrose |
that didn't answer the question |
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sfan5 |
PilzAdam: you can merge https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/506 |
| 19:08 |
proller |
darkrose, near -30915 ? |
| 19:13 |
proller |
darkrose, it fill lower level where was stone |
| 19:14 |
VanessaE |
I am forced to ask: what does it *look* like in practice? I mean, what will the user see? |
| 19:15 |
VanessaE |
if I scoop a few water blocks out of an ocean, what's gonna happen to said ocean? |
| 19:15 |
VanessaE |
the last screenshot I saw really looked bad |
| 19:17 |
PilzAdam |
every water node that isnt 100% filled will be a flowing node, even if its static |
| 19:17 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, done |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
ew. |
| 19:17 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: i got highlightes on 3 channels at one |
| 19:17 |
sfan5 |
*highlighted |
| 19:18 |
PilzAdam |
thats the problem with Minetest-bot being on -delta |
| 19:19 |
sfan5 |
yeah |
| 19:19 |
sfan5 |
i thought the same |
| 19:20 |
PilzAdam |
IMO a bot with only this commit feature would be nice here |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
no problem |
| 19:21 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: you forgot the 2nd commit |
| 19:21 |
PilzAdam |
I squashed them |
| 19:22 |
sfan5 |
oh, ok |
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sfan5 |
!server |
| 19:24 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: 0gb.us's server [latest stable] | 0gb.us:30000 up (91.725%) |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
hm, doesn't seem to work |
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sfan5 |
!server |
| 19:26 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: LPGC Minetest Server | games.libreplanet.org:30000 up (96.720%) |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 19:26 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, can you do the testing somewere else? |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
yes |
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sfan5 |
sorry guys, but i have to do this once more |
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sfan5 |
!server |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: Playground Server [0.4.4] | minetest.cloud.tilaa.org:30000 up (99.922%) |
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sfan5 |
:( |
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proller |
VanessaE, in liquid is "relax" feature enabled by default - if block have level MAX-1 and around is blocks with MAX level - it will filled with MAX level |
| 20:00 |
proller |
better try on test server |
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hmmmm |
hmmm proller, it seems that when i tried to clone your repository it didn't have the finite liquid code in it. what branch is that present in? |
| 22:18 |
proller |
liquid |
| 22:18 |
proller |
https://github.com/proller/minetest/tree/liquid |
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hmmmm |
hrm |
| 22:39 |
hmmmm |
it looks pretty good to me |
| 22:40 |
hmmmm |
alright guys, i'm going to merge finite liquid |
| 22:41 |
hmmmm |
pilzadam, thexyz, one of you guys.. how do I merge someone's changes with the blah authored x days ago -> kwolekr committed ? |
| 22:42 |
hmmmm |
i'd like to remove the "merge pull request" messages already there if possible too |
