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| 02:31 |
SitDog |
so i had a chance to look at the profile with the s3d16 type being high. it turns out that the structure is misaligned and there are several objects that are passed by value. i need to test it, but i am seeing an immense improvement by passing by reference and changing s16 to s32. |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
celeron56 / celeron55: I've been thinking. that idea you had for making mese act like a typical ore (mine a mineral, drops a lump, smelt that to ingot, craft 9 to get a block of mese). Maybe that's a good idea come to think of it. |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
as long as mese ingots are used for tools, but aliased to just "default:mese" for backward compat, while the existing "MESE" yellow block becomes the 9-to-1 block |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
if so desired, I will throw together some appropriate textures. |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
celeron56 / celeron55 : a pull request is now pending to make these changes happen (textures, changes to default.lua to accommodate). I opted to break old mods rather than old maps as mods are far easier to adapt to these changes than old maps are. |
| 04:43 |
VanessaE |
(but I left a compatibility recipe, 1 stone + 1 mese lump = 1 mese mineral/ore, which is aliased to default:mese so old recipes/mods can use it) |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/60 |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
(it would help if I link to it...) |
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RealBadAngel |
hi all |
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| 16:16 |
rubenwardy |
celeron55, check your email |
| 16:17 |
VanessaE |
...and your messages here :-) |
| 16:32 |
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| 16:44 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: i am working on changing minetest.net to use a django based site |
| 16:45 |
celeron55 |
and putting that on github |
| 16:45 |
celeron55 |
so that people can reasonably contribute to it |
| 16:45 |
rubenwardy |
ok |
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| 16:46 |
celeron55 |
...so, i am guessing you will be interested in developing it? 8) |
| 16:46 |
* rubenwardy |
had to research django |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 16:48 |
celeron55 |
i guess i'll put this on github right away then |
| 16:50 |
rubenwardy |
would it be compatible with PHP? |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
of course it won't |
| 16:51 |
celeron55 |
no; the only server side scripting language used is python |
| 16:51 |
rubenwardy |
ok |
| 16:52 |
rubenwardy |
That wont be a problem |
| 16:52 |
celeron55 |
this will give a good idea of what djano is about in practice: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.4/intro/tutorial01/ |
| 16:52 |
celeron55 |
django* |
| 16:53 |
rubenwardy |
brb, restarting in Ubuntu so I can experiment |
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| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
back |
| 16:58 |
celeron55 |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.net |
| 16:58 |
celeron55 |
currently it's just a copy of the current site with templates having all the content |
| 16:58 |
* Calinou |
starred it |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
no longer 0 stars ;P |
| 16:58 |
celeron55 |
what is seen on minetest.net is not that yet, but it looks exactly the same and is not hard to replace |
| 16:59 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, 2 stars ;-) |
| 17:01 |
celeron55 |
oh, and apparently it already has mixed tabs and spaces... i'll say it should use tabs for indentation (to allow using the same editor settings as for minetest source code), but otherwise follow the whatever general python recommendation that most use |
| 17:01 |
celeron55 |
(the "whatever general python recommendation" recommends using 4 spaces for tabs) |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
ctrl+h is your friend for replacing spaces with tabs :P |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
so it's not really important |
| 17:03 |
celeron55 |
the first things to do would be to make the download and news sections more manageable (that is, store the raw data in the database) |
| 17:03 |
thexyz |
https://gist.github.com/4241043 |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
we need some intro video maybe (not very related to the website code i know) |
| 17:04 |
celeron55 |
thexyz: everything should be indented with tabs, because what i said |
| 17:04 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paOJHOoPBmo |
| 17:04 |
celeron55 |
so screw pep8 |
| 17:05 |
thexyz |
why do you prefer tabs? |
| 17:05 |
celeron55 |
i don't understand why somebody *wouldn't* prefer tabs |
| 17:05 |
celeron55 |
they work much better with most editors |
| 17:05 |
hmmmm |
i guess it's good to use spaces if you need to build muscle on your pinky finger |
| 17:06 |
* VanessaE |
peeks in |
| 17:07 |
thexyz |
wait, do you press spacebar with your pinky? |
| 17:07 |
hmmmm |
i do |
| 17:07 |
hmmmm |
erm |
| 17:07 |
hmmmm |
thumb |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
"close enough" |
| 17:07 |
hmmmm |
i have to tap the backspace key 4x as much with my pinky though if someone decides to use spaces instead of tabs |
| 17:08 |
hmmmm |
also pep8 blows |
| 17:08 |
hmmmm |
it's like 6502 except with one less index register |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
that is the usual thing that editors fail to support in a reasonable way for spaced indenting |
| 17:08 |
hmmmm |
which makes it that much more frustrating |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
pep8? |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ |
| 17:08 |
hmmmm |
it's a toy assembly language for learning |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
cloned |
| 17:10 |
celeron55 |
pep8 is the python enhancement proposal number 8, called the "python style guide" |
| 17:10 |
hmmmm |
oh :) |
| 17:11 |
hmmmm |
i guess this is a situation where a single forward slash makes all the difference |
| 17:11 |
celeron55 |
according to google, yes |
| 17:11 |
rubenwardy |
forked i mean |
| 17:12 |
rubenwardy |
can you link to an tutorial? |
| 17:12 |
celeron55 |
i already did, but here https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.4/intro/tutorial01/ |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
i lost it when I signed out |
| 17:13 |
celeron55 |
well, the topic has a link to the channel log 8) |
| 17:14 |
celeron55 |
hmm, i'll replace all space indentations with tabs so it's clean from the start |
| 17:17 |
celeron55 |
done |
| 17:18 |
rubenwardy |
http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/index.php |
| 17:19 |
celeron55 |
spaces are kind of crappy with django though because the tools that create new stub files for new things use spaces... |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: please check my proposal/code re: mese. |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
(at your convenience) |
| 17:20 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: i glanced through it; i don't know |
| 17:20 |
PilzAdam |
-30000 for that |
| 17:24 |
rubenwardy |
What do you think? http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/index.php |
| 17:24 |
rubenwardy |
Should I have another nav bar under the green bit, or shall I modify the top nav bar? |
| 17:25 |
PilzAdam |
suggestion: use #minetest-delta for website disussions |
| 17:25 |
celeron55 |
i'm not on -delta anymore |
| 17:25 |
rubenwardy |
ok |
| 17:25 |
celeron55 |
and won't go there; too many channels |
| 17:26 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: i don't think you shouldn't care much about the layout; i can figure it out before publishing things on minetest.net |
| 17:26 |
rubenwardy |
ok |
| 17:27 |
celeron55 |
as long as the stuff under the hood is good, all should be fine-ish |
| 17:27 |
rubenwardy |
double negative saying I should care, I assume you mean i should not |
| 17:27 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 17:27 |
rubenwardy |
ok |
| 17:28 |
celeron55 |
take your time figuring out the design conventions of django; if you're accustomed to php, it'll take a bit |
| 17:29 |
celeron55 |
also, beware of never wanting to touch php again |
| 17:29 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 17:29 |
celeron55 |
it's a real problem 8) |
| 17:39 |
rubenwardy |
"TemplateDoesNotExist at / main/index.html" |
| 17:40 |
celeron55 |
you'll want to modify the third line of minetest/settings.py |
| 17:41 |
celeron55 |
then it should work for testing purposes by using "./manage.py testserver" |
| 17:42 |
celeron55 |
also keep in mind that after doing code modifications, usually the test server needs to be restarted :P |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
working |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
its working |
| 17:47 |
thexyz |
shouldn't it be `runserver`? |
| 17:51 |
celeron55 |
if you want to add "run" to that, it would be "runtestserver" |
| 17:51 |
celeron55 |
because it's the test server of django 8) |
| 17:54 |
thexyz |
well, i thought that `testserver` loads data from fixture before starting the server |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
the "testserver" start up command does not display anything at localhost:8080 or localhost |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
where as the "runserver" command does |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
runtestserver does not work |
| 17:54 |
thexyz |
also, it should restart automatically when changes to files are made |
| 17:54 |
celeron55 |
uhm |
| 17:55 |
celeron55 |
guess so |
| 17:55 |
celeron55 |
it's a good while since i last used django for anything 8) |
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| 19:45 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: first impressions? |
| 19:45 |
rubenwardy |
very good |
| 19:45 |
rubenwardy |
quite interesting |
| 19:48 |
celeron55 |
i guess the site could use some planning at some point, but as for now, probably just better play with ideas |
| 19:50 |
celeron55 |
i'm probably going to write the download page to my liking some day (i have some specific preferences as the one who manages releases) |
| 19:51 |
celeron55 |
you probably should get to figuring out a mod database, which in the end will be used as both, the replacement for the mod releases forum and the mod repository |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
why not use the ingame mod manager? probably the best way a MM was done |
| 19:52 |
celeron55 |
login information should be gotten from punbb - it's quite doable, as i have once written similar integration with phpbb |
| 19:52 |
celeron55 |
Calinou: it needs a backend |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
you always need a backend to host mods.. |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
what if we want an ingame public server list later too, we'll need a master server |
| 19:53 |
celeron55 |
well, it can be written to that minetest.net django site too |
| 19:53 |
rubenwardy |
bye |
| 19:54 |
celeron55 |
guess i could start working on some of that too... |
| 19:54 |
celeron55 |
so the list of things has expanded to a server list too |
| 19:58 |
celeron55 |
the punbb login integration basically just requires something like this (this is from an another project) (phpbb/models.py): https://gist.github.com/4241643 |
| 20:00 |
celeron55 |
https://gist.github.com/4241668 |
| 20:18 |
celeron55 |
odd; i can't seem to be able to hash my password and salt to the sha1 sum that is in punbb's database |
| 20:37 |
celeron55 |
i wonder what kind of magic it is using |
| 20:38 |
celeron55 |
ah |
| 20:38 |
celeron55 |
nope |
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