Time  Nick         Message
02:31 SitDog       so i had a chance to look at the profile with the s3d16 type being high.  it turns out that the structure is misaligned and there are several objects that are passed by value.  i need to test it, but i am seeing an immense improvement by passing by reference and changing s16 to s32.
03:33 VanessaE     celeron56 / celeron55:  I've been thinking.  that idea you had for making mese act like a typical ore (mine a mineral, drops a lump, smelt that to ingot, craft 9 to get a block of mese).  Maybe that's a good idea come to think of it.
03:33 VanessaE     as long as mese ingots are used for tools, but aliased to just "default:mese" for backward compat, while the existing "MESE" yellow block becomes the 9-to-1 block
03:34 VanessaE     if so desired, I will throw together some appropriate textures.
04:42 VanessaE     celeron56 / celeron55 : a pull request is now pending to make these changes happen (textures, changes to default.lua to accommodate).  I opted to break old mods rather than old maps as mods are far easier to adapt to these changes than old maps are.
04:43 VanessaE     (but I left a compatibility recipe, 1 stone + 1 mese lump = 1 mese mineral/ore, which is aliased to default:mese so old recipes/mods can use it)
05:28 VanessaE     https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/60
05:28 VanessaE     (it would help if I link to it...)
07:07 RealBadAngel hi all
16:16 rubenwardy   celeron55, check your email
16:17 VanessaE     ...and your messages here :-)
16:44 celeron55    rubenwardy: i am working on changing minetest.net to use a django based site
16:45 celeron55    and putting that on github
16:45 celeron55    so that people can reasonably contribute to it
16:45 rubenwardy   ok
16:46 celeron55    ...so, i am guessing you will be interested in developing it? 8)
16:46 * rubenwardy had to research django
16:46 rubenwardy   yes
16:48 celeron55    i guess i'll put this on github right away then
16:50 rubenwardy   would it be compatible with PHP?
16:51 thexyz       of course it won't
16:51 celeron55    no; the only server side scripting language used is python
16:51 rubenwardy   ok
16:52 rubenwardy   That wont be a problem
16:52 celeron55    this will give a good idea of what djano is about in practice: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.4/intro/tutorial01/
16:52 celeron55    django*
16:53 rubenwardy   brb, restarting in Ubuntu so I can experiment
16:57 rubenwardy   back
16:58 celeron55    https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.net
16:58 celeron55    currently it's just a copy of the current site with templates having all the content
16:58 * Calinou    starred it
16:58 Calinou      no longer 0 stars ;P
16:58 celeron55    what is seen on minetest.net is not that yet, but it looks exactly the same and is not hard to replace
16:59 PilzAdam     Calinou, 2 stars ;-)
17:01 celeron55    oh, and apparently it already has mixed tabs and spaces... i'll say it should use tabs for indentation (to allow using the same editor settings as for minetest source code), but otherwise follow the whatever general python recommendation that most use
17:01 celeron55    (the "whatever general python recommendation" recommends using 4 spaces for tabs)
17:02 Calinou      ctrl+h is your friend for replacing spaces with tabs :P
17:02 Calinou      so it's not really important
17:03 celeron55    the first things to do would be to make the download and news sections more manageable (that is, store the raw data in the database)
17:03 thexyz       https://gist.github.com/4241043
17:03 Calinou      we need some intro video maybe (not very related to the website code i know)
17:04 celeron55    thexyz: everything should be indented with tabs, because what i said
17:04 PilzAdam     Calinou, something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paOJHOoPBmo
17:04 celeron55    so screw pep8
17:05 thexyz       why do you prefer tabs?
17:05 celeron55    i don't understand why somebody *wouldn't* prefer tabs
17:05 celeron55    they work much better with most editors
17:05 hmmmm        i guess it's good to use spaces if you need to build muscle on your pinky finger
17:06 * VanessaE   peeks in
17:07 thexyz       wait, do you press spacebar with your pinky?
17:07 hmmmm        i do
17:07 hmmmm        erm
17:07 hmmmm        thumb
17:07 celeron55    "close enough"
17:07 hmmmm        i have to tap the backspace key 4x as much with my pinky though if someone decides to use spaces instead of tabs
17:08 hmmmm        also pep8 blows
17:08 hmmmm        it's like 6502 except with one less index register
17:08 celeron55    that is the usual thing that editors fail to support in a reasonable way for spaced indenting
17:08 hmmmm        which makes it that much more frustrating
17:08 Calinou      pep8?
17:08 celeron55    http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
17:08 hmmmm        it's a toy assembly language for learning
17:10 rubenwardy   cloned
17:10 celeron55    pep8 is the python enhancement proposal number 8, called the "python style guide"
17:10 hmmmm        oh :)
17:11 hmmmm        i guess this is a situation where a single forward slash makes all the difference
17:11 celeron55    according to google, yes
17:11 rubenwardy   forked i mean
17:12 rubenwardy   can you link to an tutorial?
17:12 celeron55    i already did, but here https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.4/intro/tutorial01/
17:13 rubenwardy   i lost it when I signed out
17:13 celeron55    well, the topic has a link to the channel log 8)
17:14 celeron55    hmm, i'll replace all space indentations with tabs so it's clean from the start
17:17 celeron55    done
17:18 rubenwardy   http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/index.php
17:19 celeron55    spaces are kind of crappy with django though because the tools that create new stub files for new things use spaces...
17:20 VanessaE     celeron55: please check my proposal/code re: mese.
17:20 VanessaE     (at your convenience)
17:20 celeron55    VanessaE: i glanced through it; i don't know
17:20 PilzAdam     -30000 for that
17:24 rubenwardy   What do you think? http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/index.php
17:24 rubenwardy   Should I have another nav bar under the green bit, or shall I modify the top nav bar?
17:25 PilzAdam     suggestion: use #minetest-delta for website disussions
17:25 celeron55    i'm not on -delta anymore
17:25 rubenwardy   ok
17:25 celeron55    and won't go there; too many channels
17:26 celeron55    rubenwardy: i don't think you shouldn't care much about the layout; i can figure it out before publishing things on minetest.net
17:26 rubenwardy   ok
17:27 celeron55    as long as the stuff under the hood is good, all should be fine-ish
17:27 rubenwardy   double negative saying I should care, I assume you mean i should not
17:27 rubenwardy   lol
17:27 rubenwardy   ok
17:28 celeron55    take your time figuring out the design conventions of django; if you're accustomed to php, it'll take a bit
17:29 celeron55    also, beware of never wanting to touch php again
17:29 rubenwardy   lol
17:29 celeron55    it's a real problem 8)
17:39 rubenwardy   "TemplateDoesNotExist at /   main/index.html"
17:40 celeron55    you'll want to modify the third line of minetest/settings.py
17:41 celeron55    then it should work for testing purposes by using "./manage.py testserver"
17:42 celeron55    also keep in mind that after doing code modifications, usually the test server needs to be restarted :P
17:42 rubenwardy   working
17:42 rubenwardy   its working
17:47 thexyz       shouldn't it be `runserver`?
17:51 celeron55    if you want to add "run" to that, it would be "runtestserver"
17:51 celeron55    because it's the test server of django 8)
17:54 thexyz       well, i thought that `testserver` loads data from fixture before starting the server
17:54 rubenwardy   the "testserver" start up command does not display anything at localhost:8080 or localhost
17:54 rubenwardy   where as the "runserver" command does
17:54 rubenwardy   runtestserver does not work
17:54 thexyz       also, it should restart automatically when changes to files are made
17:54 celeron55    uhm
17:55 celeron55    guess so
17:55 celeron55    it's a good while since i last used django for anything 8)
19:45 celeron55    rubenwardy: first impressions?
19:45 rubenwardy   very good
19:45 rubenwardy   quite interesting
19:48 celeron55    i guess the site could use some planning at some point, but as for now, probably just better play with ideas
19:50 celeron55    i'm probably going to write the download page to my liking some day (i have some specific preferences as the one who manages releases)
19:51 celeron55    you probably should get to figuring out a mod database, which in the end will be used as both, the replacement for the mod releases forum and the mod repository
19:52 Calinou      why not use the ingame mod manager? probably the best way a MM was done
19:52 celeron55    login information should be gotten from punbb - it's quite doable, as i have once written similar integration with phpbb
19:52 celeron55    Calinou: it needs a backend
19:52 Calinou      you always need a backend to host mods..
19:52 Calinou      what if we want an ingame public server list later too, we'll need a master server
19:53 celeron55    well, it can be written to that minetest.net django site too
19:53 rubenwardy   bye
19:54 celeron55    guess i could start working on some of that too...
19:54 celeron55    so the list of things has expanded to a server list too
19:58 celeron55    the punbb login integration basically just requires something like this (this is from an another project) (phpbb/models.py): https://gist.github.com/4241643
20:00 celeron55    https://gist.github.com/4241668
20:18 celeron55    odd; i can't seem to be able to hash my password and salt to the sha1 sum that is in punbb's database
20:37 celeron55    i wonder what kind of magic it is using
20:38 celeron55    ah
20:38 celeron55    nope