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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2012-08-31

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15:52 VanessaE celeron55: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=40417#p40417
15:53 VanessaE (posted on the forums instead of github since you said the latter should be used for actual bugs, not features)
15:54 VanessaE I will bug vicscandl or darkrose or someone else to actually code it, but I figured you should know.
15:56 celeron55 eh lol, your list of things to cram on the GUI settings is just totally over the top
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15:57 VanessaE well some of it could be in the config too, but at least the basics belong where the user can find them, as they are for most games where these sorts of settings matter.
15:57 VanessaE s/too/instead/
15:57 VanessaE besides, it's empty space on a tab most people won't even look at.  Why does it matter how much is there?
15:58 celeron55 just find out what can be always on and then figure out what of the leftover settings need to generally be tuned to suit people (eg. something that is most lightweight, something that makes 16x look good, something that suits high-res textures)
15:58 celeron55 VanessaE: nobody doesn't even know how to set those for different situations
15:58 VanessaE um
15:59 VanessaE in my tests, AF is useless without MM, but the rest has to be there.
15:59 VanessaE for example,
16:00 VanessaE highres objects e.g. my HDX textures look great with trilinear filtering, but that can't be reasonably applied to 16px objects supplied by some random mod the HDX pack doesn't support
16:00 VanessaE hence the threshold slider
16:01 celeron55 *whatever* then, just put buttons to set those three things i listed in there then
16:01 celeron55 s/in there/over there/
16:01 VanessaE that's not good enough
16:03 celeron55 s/things/reasonable combinations of settings/
16:03 VanessaE mmh
16:05 celeron55 bottom left http://grandfiles.com/tutorials/epsxe/petesopengl.png
16:06 VanessaE what? that's a terrible example
16:06 VanessaE this isn't a slipper slope here
16:06 VanessaE this is irrlicht settings.
16:06 VanessaE I've used that program btw.  ePSXe.  And that window is overkill
16:06 celeron55 if that is a terrible example, you are probably just not getting the point
16:06 VanessaE no I get your point
16:07 VanessaE you're trying to say this is what you think MT will turn into if my line of thought is followed through to its logical conclusion
16:07 VanessaE I'm saying it won't, because you're using a slippery-slope argument.
16:08 celeron55 oh hell, just STFU; there is no problem here
16:08 * VanessaE grumbles
16:08 VanessaE you have a lot of nerve, you know that?
16:09 VanessaE THIS is precisely why you're having trouble finding new contributors.  Almost every idea someone proposes that either doesn't mean much on a low-end system, or doesn't directly lead to turning MT into Call of Duty, is rejected, no matter how well thought-out.
16:09 VanessaE there, I said it.
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16:10 celeron55 i see no reason to argue; if somebody makes that thing, it will reveal to everyone how it works
16:10 celeron55 and whether it works as said
16:10 VanessaE someone already DID.
16:10 VanessaE just not as menu items is all.
16:10 celeron55 the only problem here seems to be the menu
16:11 celeron55 which i am talking about, because you seem to insist
16:12 VanessaE well of course - the average user doesn't know what a config file is, much less how to edit one.
16:12 celeron55 i still see no other problem than you starting to jump through the roof from me trying to put up an initial guess of how it probably turns out
16:13 VanessaE jump through the roof?  jeez, butthurt much?
16:14 celeron55 you're the one going nuts here
16:14 celeron55 i've been perfectly calm here for all this time
16:14 VanessaE I'm proposing adding 6 options to a menu that's sat nearly empty for years now (or however long that menu has existed anyway).
16:14 VanessaE I'm perfectly calm too, I just type more than you is all.
16:14 VanessaE old habit.
16:15 celeron55 yes, i and my guess is it won't work
16:15 celeron55 -i
16:16 celeron55 now, if you will, i just might continue with something productive rather than arguing about things that will find out their ways by anyone who happens to code them
16:16 VanessaE the problem is if you say it won't work, it won't ever make it into the mainstream code.
16:16 celeron55 it doesn't work like that
16:17 celeron55 what i initially say and what i do are independent things; i've acted both ways based on what i have seen
16:18 VanessaE says the guy who just commented yesterday about still digging through 6-month-old contributions from Kahrl. :-)
16:19 VanessaE I've said my peace.  Now let's see what happens when someone codes it.
16:19 celeron55 i don't get your point of that line
16:19 celeron55 you're just pissing me off for no good reason; even if i wanted to turn "better", i couldn't because everybody expect me not to and talk to me like it
16:21 VanessaE which line, the bit about Kahrl?  that was supposed to be a joke.
18:24 hmmmm I think he wants a single, coherent direction for minetest to travel in, not everybody's ideas jumbled together.
18:24 hmmmm a lot of things do get shot down though which i understand is very frusturating.  hey look, if you have a better idea, make your own fork, i guess.  you will have your following
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