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| 06:05 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: are you available? |
| 06:05 |
sfan5 |
what do you want to ask? |
| 06:05 |
VanessaE |
well, you are aware of the allfaces draw type right? |
| 06:06 |
VanessaE |
it ain't actually all faces, and it only accepts one texture. |
| 06:06 |
sfan5 |
(one_texture_on)allfaces |
| 06:07 |
VanessaE |
*nod* so I found out |
| 06:07 |
VanessaE |
the hidden face removal code still operates on the allfaces draw type, even though it's apparently not supposed to. |
| 06:07 |
VanessaE |
(regardless of how many textures the drawtype can accept) |
| 06:14 |
sfan5 |
... |
| 06:14 |
sfan5 |
we definetly need to change the forum rules for download sites |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 06:16 |
sfan5 |
i don't like it if I must enter a captcha / register an account / wait 30 secs |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
agreed |
| 06:23 |
sfan5 |
i would at least forbid sites that require registration |
| 06:24 |
darkrose |
set up an ftp site, and just move packages to it when a mod gets put in releases |
| 06:30 |
sfan5 |
should the mods do that? |
| 06:30 |
sfan5 |
the users can make a dropbox account themselves |
| 06:31 |
sfan5 |
... |
| 06:31 |
sfan5 |
there could be a webspace where everyone could upload files related to minetest |
| 06:31 |
celeron55 |
i think not putting stuff behind a registration is common sense |
| 06:42 |
sfan5 |
what about an upload site for minetest related files? |
| 06:43 |
celeron55 |
how can you tell the files are related to minetest and not child porn? |
| 06:43 |
sfan5 |
6 |
| 06:44 |
sfan5 |
... |
| 06:45 |
sfan5 |
you can't but if anyone notices, he/she clicks the report button |
| 06:46 |
sfan5 |
thats how mediafire does it too |
| 06:46 |
Bad_Command |
Child porn is a huge can of worms, way bigger than a report button. I recommend just tossing in another rule; releases are already segregated so it should not be any more burdensome to manage. |
| 06:47 |
VanessaE |
won't work - in some jurisdictions, even having it, without you being aware, is enough to get thrown in jail |
| 06:48 |
Bad_Command |
You can't view it to verify if it is child porn |
| 06:48 |
celeron55 |
if somebody is going to set up a service like that, i bet it is thexyz, so let's just ask if he wants to try |
| 06:48 |
Bad_Command |
You are often legally obliged to report it |
| 06:48 |
Bad_Command |
And they may well decide to take the whole server as evidence |
| 06:48 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: I dunno, xyz's been a little bit irritable lately. you sure you wanna do that? ;-) |
| 06:49 |
sfan5 |
[50% related] i can code php, html and js [/50% unrelated] |
| 06:49 |
celeron55 |
i don't think he will mind if celeron55 ask something once in two month |
| 06:49 |
celeron55 |
+s |
| 06:49 |
VanessaE |
true. |
| 06:49 |
celeron55 |
+s |
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| 10:44 |
thexyz |
so, you mean, make (semi-) public FTP server for mod authors? |
| 10:45 |
celeron55 |
that is what was suggested; dunno if it is viable |
| 10:46 |
celeron55 |
the people who put their files in places requiring registration or 30 second wait times aren't likely to know how to use plain FTP though; it'd likely need a web interface |
| 10:47 |
thexyz |
that can be some ftp web client |
| 10:47 |
celeron55 |
i could add file upload capability to the forum but i don't really trust any of those plugins and also otherwise it'd cause more trouble than good |
| 10:47 |
thexyz |
i'll try to set this up |
| 10:48 |
VanessaE |
too bad more people don't understand git :-/ |
| 11:34 |
saschaheylik |
you could make a gui for it that uses git |
| 11:35 |
saschaheylik |
"modstore" |
| 11:37 |
celeron55 |
i'd love to try such, but i won't have the time and motivation i a good while, |
| 11:37 |
celeron55 |
-, |
| 11:37 |
celeron55 |
web development sucks |
| 11:38 |
celeron55 |
and GUI development |
| 11:42 |
thexyz |
i think ftp server will be enough |
| 11:42 |
thexyz |
at least, for some time |
| 11:43 |
saschaheylik |
not in a full game |
| 11:50 |
Calinou |
saschaheylik, see what jeija made ;) |
| 11:50 |
Calinou |
he made a mod (C++) with some mod list |
| 11:50 |
saschaheylik |
link? |
| 11:51 |
Calinou |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2568 |
| 12:06 |
saschaheylik |
can you tell me where the other player figures/mobs are drawn? |
| 12:06 |
saschaheylik |
cant find it |
| 13:06 |
celeron55 |
http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1344412488330.jpg |
| 13:08 |
Calinou |
haha nice |
| 13:08 |
Calinou |
relevant: http://i.imgur.com/ucOQh.jpg |
| 13:08 |
Calinou |
the "year-day-month" thingie isn't correct, most people in the US use YYYY-MM-DD |
| 13:09 |
Calinou |
and in europe/etc, some use DD-MM-YYYY, some MM-DD-YYYY (why?) |
| 13:11 |
celeron55 |
as far as i know, generally nobody except programmers use yyyy-mm-dd |
| 13:11 |
celeron55 |
in finland the traditional way of writing dates is dd.mm.yyyy; and that is the one that is used _instead of_ stuff like "20th february 2011" |
| 13:12 |
celeron55 |
stuff which is completely horrible |
| 13:14 |
celeron55 |
...actually d.m.y, but anyway |
| 13:16 |
Calinou |
I readded the issue about the textures here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/issues/7 |
| 13:16 |
Calinou |
with new gravel... can you review them and add them maybe please? |
| 13:16 |
Calinou |
the current brick is horrible ;) |
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| 17:53 |
thexyz |
should that look like this? http://mods.minetest.ru/ |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
as long as the .html file buried under there is what the user will see, sure. |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
but they'll need a proper drop-down list or so when browsing mods to download I think. |
| 18:01 |
thexyz |
why? |
| 18:01 |
thexyz |
that's just a file hosting |
| 18:01 |
thexyz |
so user can give direct link to his mod in forum topic |
| 18:01 |
VanessaE |
mm, I guess so |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
it's just that the average umb user isn't going to understand how to *upload* their stuff, so they should really never see the bare ftp page in practice |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
dumb* |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
the dir/file layout looks good though |
| 18:03 |
thexyz |
average user != mod maker |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
you sure about that? |
| 18:03 |
thexyz |
anyway, i am going to upload here some web-based ftp client |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
look on the forums, there's some people modding that still seem like they couldn't find their tuchus with both hands and a map :-) |
| 18:06 |
thexyz |
hmm... i think they'll be still capable of logging into web ftp client & uploading files |
| 18:08 |
darkrose |
you're forgetting the rules: http://stuff.ltmnet.com/darkrose/people.html |
| 18:08 |
VanessaE |
oh probably |
| 18:08 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 18:09 |
thexyz |
https://minetest.ru/net2ftp/ |
| 18:09 |
thexyz |
anyway, c55 asked me to do it ;) |
| 18:09 |
thexyz |
so here it is |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: imho, this will not work. users are gonna be like "What is passive mode?" "do I need ssl" listing on the right = tl;dr |
| 18:11 |
thexyz |
let's see |
| 18:12 |
thexyz |
btw, now i need somebody to create topic describing all that shit |
| 18:13 |
thexyz |
so i can give logins&passwords to users |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
prhaps login&pass should be tied to the user's forum account? |
| 18:14 |
thexyz |
how could that be implemented? |
| 18:14 |
thexyz |
also, i don't plan to give access to everybody |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
I wouldn't know - behind-the-scenes code isn't something I'm particularly good at |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
only to people that i can trust |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
firstly i need to know if celeron55 accepts that as solution for hosting mods |
| 18:16 |
thexyz |
btw, VanessaE, where should i send you your password? |
| 18:16 |
VanessaE |
if you're so inclined, it's vanessaezekowitz gmail.com - but I don't need it, I use github and my website :-) |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
hm.. so you don't need it |
| 18:30 |
celeron55 |
i think others know better what is useful; i am not that much into the general modding scene |
| 18:31 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: i want a password too |
| 18:32 |
celeron55 |
so umm... that is going to work so that the moderators will upload stuff to there and link on the forum? |
| 18:32 |
celeron55 |
that sounds quite not handy |
| 18:32 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 18:33 |
thexyz |
celeron55: i'm planning to give ftp logins to modmakers |
| 18:33 |
sfan5 |
idea: if user abc releases a mod and the thread gets moved, he'll get an ftp account and is not allowed to use other download sites |
| 18:33 |
thexyz |
everybody has access only to his personal folder |
| 18:33 |
thexyz |
sfan5: how should i send you password? pm me your email |
| 18:33 |
sfan5 |
you could send it via forum... |
| 18:33 |
sfan5 |
nvm |
| 18:34 |
celeron55 |
that means there needs to be means for the moderators to create accounts for modders, otherwise you'll have to do all by yourself and i bet you don't want that |
| 18:35 |
thexyz |
that's not such a problem for me |
| 18:35 |
celeron55 |
the problem that VanessaE and sfan5 seem to want to solve is that some modders end up using upload services that require either silly wait times or registration for downloading |
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| 18:36 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: well I don't think there's a lot to solve really - ompldr, github, dropbox all seem to work nicely |
| 18:36 |
VanessaE |
no sign-ups, captchas, etc |
| 18:36 |
VanessaE |
(at least to download anyway) |
| 18:37 |
VanessaE |
But I agree with sfan5 that there at least needs to be a forum rule dictating such, perhaps with a recommended list of file locker services etc. |
| 18:38 |
sfan5 |
+1 |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: i don't think that my ftp hosting should be the only option to host mods |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
that's just an _option_ |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
fair enough |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
without any limits, etc.. |
| 19:01 |
thexyz |
should that rule be appended to http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1271 ? |
| 19:02 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 19:02 |
VanessaE |
Post must contain at least: [...] * Download link - a .zip file, containing the mod folder(s) (not only the contents of it/them) <-- maybe change that |
| 19:02 |
thexyz |
so, files should be directly accessible via wget/curl? |
| 19:02 |
VanessaE |
absolutely |
| 19:03 |
VanessaE |
well, if at all possible anyway |
| 19:03 |
thexyz |
also, zip should contain folder named "modname" |
| 19:03 |
thexyz |
how can that be impossible? |
| 19:03 |
VanessaE |
none of this web 0.2 shit where you have to jump through 10 layers or redirects, scripts, etc to get to the actual file |
| 19:04 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: s/0.2/2.0/ |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: no, I mean web 0.2 |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
as in 2.0 sometimes seems like it was a backwards step |
| 19:05 |
sfan5 |
lol |
| 19:05 |
celeron55 |
i won't make that strict rules |
| 19:05 |
thexyz |
plus a note like "you can contact xyz to get ftp account at mods.minetest.ru" maybe? |
| 19:05 |
thexyz |
celeron55: which one is too strict? |
| 19:06 |
celeron55 |
i hate that redirect stuff, but i will not disallow it, or anything else |
| 19:06 |
celeron55 |
i can recommend something thoguh |
| 19:06 |
celeron55 |
though* |
| 19:06 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: what about giving forum mods ftp admin privs too? |
| 19:06 |
thexyz |
i'll think about it |
| 19:06 |
celeron55 |
i have chosen to be very liberal with the forum, and i stick with it |
| 19:06 |
sfan5 |
ok |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: I mean stupid sites that won't expose the direct URL to the file and which do stupid shit like blocking you or directing you to a generic landing page if you di figure out the direct link |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
the worst thing is that those uploading sites often delete files after some time of inactivity |
| 19:09 |
sfan5 |
you're rigt |
| 19:09 |
sfan5 |
*right |
| 19:09 |
VanessaE |
agreed |
| 19:10 |
sfan5 |
you sound stupid if you post "remind me after 30 days to upload the mod again" |
| 19:10 |
celeron55 |
as if i didn't know all of that |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
then what's the reason of not adding such rule? |
| 19:11 |
celeron55 |
anyway, i think a reasonable thing to do is to link to a few good services on the guidelines as a recommendation |
| 19:12 |
celeron55 |
i won't add such a rule because it's too arbitrary and because people will generally want to have their thing easily available; you don't need to *force* them to do that |
| 19:12 |
celeron55 |
they just don't know how to do it |
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