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Aerodynamic |
Okay, I tried to get onto my Ubuntu Linux this morning and I got a GRUB command prompt, I could give more details if necessary if somebody would help me out. All my minetest and other things that have to do with building/development are on there. |
| 14:34 |
brobostigon |
what is the grub error you are gettimg? |
| 14:35 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: what grub error are you getting? |
| 14:36 |
Aerodynamic |
Does there need to be an error for a command prompt to appear? There were a few messages like normal but this time I guess there were a few more. They went by too fast for me to see. I'll check again in a min |
| 14:36 |
Aerodynamic |
Usually I see about 3 messages run across the screen before boot starts |
| 14:37 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: boot from a live cd, and go into /var/log on said disk, and grubs log is there, pastebin that for us. |
| 14:38 |
brobostigon |
infact ignore that. and just get us the errors it outputs. |
| 14:38 |
Aerodynamic |
I dont have one, I installed into dual-boot via Hard Drive installation. Unfortunately. I know the disk is more featured and generally better to use. |
| 14:38 |
brobostigon |
but if yu are getting thrown into a command prompt, then grub cant seem to complete its processes. have you tried to reinstall grub ? |
| 14:39 |
Aerodynamic |
Individually by itself? |
| 14:39 |
Calinou |
dual boot is da hell :P especially with UEFI |
| 14:40 |
Aerodynamic |
Yeah, But unfortunately I have to do it that way because the rest of the family is unwilling to change |
| 14:40 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: reinstall grub on your first hdd mbr, so your bios can understand it properly. |
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| 14:41 |
Calinou |
"Aerodynamic> Yeah, But unfortunately I have to do it that way because the rest of the family is unwilling to change " |
| 14:41 |
Calinou |
people afraid to switch to noobuntu |
| 14:41 |
Calinou |
._. |
| 14:41 |
Aerodynamic |
I don't deal with BIOS often at all. So would you mind helping me get to the place where I re-install? |
| 14:42 |
Aerodynamic |
In fact the only place where I have dealt with it is when I set some on-boot settings on the last computer |
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| 14:42 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: in the mbr, of your first hdd. there are some good instructions for grub reinstall on help.ubuntu.com/community |
| 14:44 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: and you dont need to change anything in your bios, but it make it easier for it, it is better to put grub etc, somewhere where we can make it easier for it. |
| 14:45 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: and always make sure, you have some kind of external boot media, to help, if it breaks. |
| 14:46 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: there are some famous bugs, especially in newer version of windows, that when booted, breaks grub in various ways. |
| 14:46 |
Aerodynamic |
You mean like a USB or CD? |
| 14:46 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: either. |
| 14:46 |
Calinou |
<brobostigon> Aerodynamic: there are some famous bugs, especially in newer version of windows, that when booted, breaks grub in various ways. |
| 14:47 |
Calinou |
Aerodynamic, did you buy that computer recently? (in 2011-2012) |
| 14:47 |
Aerodynamic |
Thats dumb.. No way of fixing that? |
| 14:47 |
Aerodynamic |
Its extremely recent |
| 14:47 |
brobostigon |
also, linux itself, and ubuntu/debian, isnt totally ready for uefi either, that is, if it is. |
| 14:49 |
Calinou |
grub is partly-ready for UEFI, that microsoft shit designed to restrict computers to windows even more |
| 14:49 |
Calinou |
it's going to be "better" with windows 8 + secure boot |
| 14:49 |
* Calinou |
doesn't want to risk his windows; he's running linux in a VM for now |
| 14:49 |
brobostigon |
in debian certainly, you need to build a custom live media, with the uefi grub packages, to install from ,on a uefi machine, at the moment, in debian. |
| 14:49 |
Calinou |
brobostigon, seen my desktop (at #minetest)? :P |
| 14:49 |
Aerodynamic |
Yeah I have windows 7, I bet windows 8 is incredibly restrictive |
| 14:50 |
brobostigon |
Calinou: i must have missed, sorry. |
| 14:50 |
Calinou |
http://ompldr.org/vZXFveA/Capture%20d'%C3%A9cran%20-%2014072012%20-%2015:35:21.png |
| 14:50 |
Calinou |
windows 8 can go fuck itself |
| 14:50 |
Calinou |
(debian testing + xfce) |
| 14:50 |
Calinou |
wallpaper: misa's pack for minetest |
| 14:50 |
brobostigon |
Calinou: :) |
| 14:51 |
Calinou |
when win8 will be out, if I have to buy a new computer, I will not buy a computer with windows 8. just one without any OS, then I install linux |
| 14:51 |
brobostigon |
Calinou: agreed, as standard grub2 is partly capable, but not completly. there is other stuff it needs. |
| 14:52 |
Calinou |
finding computers without an OS isn't easy... |
| 14:52 |
brobostigon |
Calinou: that why i build my own. |
| 14:52 |
Calinou |
and they can be MORE expensive than computers with windows, as the sellers are trying to make money off linux users |
| 14:52 |
Calinou |
building can be quite expensive too |
| 14:52 |
Aerodynamic |
Hmm.. Well if I had some external boot media I would use it. But because this is a shared family computer and they aren't exactly into anything that involves "uncharted territory" on there part. |
| 14:53 |
brobostigon |
Calinou: but i like the choice and the control i get, to make it how i want to, than deal with what other people think i want. |
| 14:53 |
Aerodynamic |
They don't like that I have Linux on the computer in the first place. |
| 14:53 |
Calinou |
the only reason I bought this computer with windows was because it was quite cheap |
| 14:53 |
Calinou |
and because I didn't want to mess with the drivers, the graphics card being quite recent |
| 14:53 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: well, you will need some external ubuntu/debian boot media, to fix grub, i dont think it is possibl;e directly from windows. |
| 14:54 |
Calinou |
Aerodynamic, brace yourselves, prepare for your family flaming you :P |
| 14:54 |
Aerodynamic |
What does the Grub command prompt do? No good? |
| 14:54 |
Aerodynamic |
When I choose Ubuntu thats what I get |
| 14:55 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: you can in grub prompt, point it at the root partition and the kernel. |
| 14:55 |
Calinou |
Aerodynamic, boot an ubuntu live CD then you could try fixing grub from there |
| 14:55 |
Calinou |
change the boot order in BIOS to boot from the CD of course |
| 14:55 |
Aerodynamic |
Issue is I don't have a CD, Unfortunately my only option was to install directly to the hardrive |
| 14:55 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: and then if that works, you can change grub parameters in ubuntu, to fix it from there. |
| 14:55 |
Calinou |
Aerodynamic, how did you do this? O_o |
| 14:56 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: install directly to the hd from what? |
| 14:56 |
Calinou |
wait, if you're on IRC, you're on a computer then? download an iso, then burn it to a CD/DVD/USB |
| 14:56 |
Aerodynamic |
Internet. |
| 14:56 |
Calinou |
what software? |
| 14:56 |
Calinou |
unetbootni? |
| 14:56 |
Calinou |
unetbootin* |
| 14:56 |
Aerodynamic |
I just got it and downloaded the installer from the Ubuntu website. And chose my install conditions there. |
| 14:56 |
Calinou |
> wubi? |
| 14:57 |
brobostigon |
dont tell me it is that thing, that allows you to install to an image on your windows partition to boot from.? |
| 14:57 |
Calinou |
Aerodynamic, did it work earlier? |
| 14:57 |
Calinou |
wubi is da hell |
| 14:57 |
brobostigon |
wubi cant be fixed, especially pointing grub back at it, in my experience, |
| 14:57 |
Aerodynamic |
I choose which one I run at boot, Windows 7 or Ubuntu. Its dual-boot and I got it by simply installing from the website |
| 14:58 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: i would start with, in grub prompt, telling it where to find the root partition and kernel. and see if that works. |
| 14:58 |
Aerodynamic |
How am I to do that? What commands to run? |
| 14:59 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: there are some good instructions on the grub site. |
| 14:59 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: it is fairly complex. or go into the grub room on freenode. |
| 15:00 |
brobostigon |
and ask there advice also. |
| 15:01 |
brobostigon |
and pop over to #ubuntu-uk, they will also help, and are really nice people. |
| 15:18 |
Aerodynamic |
Yeah, I used wubi, Its in my files for ubuntu |
| 15:19 |
brobostigon |
i dont think it is really recoverable thn, i think windows must have messed with grub, |
| 15:19 |
Aerodynamic |
What do you mean, "Messed with"? Intentionally screwed it up? |
| 15:20 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: not stricktly, but windows checks, certainly in recent versions, as to what boots it, and fixes it automatically if it sees something wrong. |
| 15:21 |
Aerodynamic |
Is this why when I usually boot up I see a regular 3 error messages? |
| 15:21 |
brobostigon |
good question, i havent tried windows7 with grub2, using wubi, so i couldnt say. |
| 15:22 |
Aerodynamic |
What could have possibly broken it? Right at boot |
| 15:22 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: windows itself. |
| 15:22 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: and as i said, wubi is somewhat dodgy anyway, and is fragile. |
| 15:23 |
Aerodynamic |
Thats what the other guy is telling me too. So for a good install I will need a Live CD or USB? |
| 15:23 |
brobostigon |
yes, i was watching, |
| 15:23 |
VanessaE |
morning all |
| 15:23 |
brobostigon |
yes, i would agree, and make a seperate partition, or get yourself a seperate hdd, it is much easier. |
| 15:24 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: partition resizing is fairly safe now, but do backups as always, just incase. |
| 15:24 |
Aerodynamic |
If I did that I would probably get a different version of Linux, I use Ubuntu because its the only good option I could find for dual-boot wubi install |
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| 15:25 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: ubuntu would work fine, equally in that situation also, |
| 15:25 |
Aerodynamic |
Yeah, But I would prefer another one |
| 15:26 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: try debian stable. |
| 15:26 |
Aerodynamic |
I have DECENT computer knowledge. But I seemed pretty ignorant just now because I have absolutely NO experience when it comes to booting |
| 15:28 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: ubuntu uses debian as its basis. and debian is somewhat more standard than ubuntu. |
| 15:29 |
Calinou |
ubuntu is more popular then debian |
| 15:29 |
Calinou |
Aerodynamic, my post-word of advice: don't multiboot on recent computers |
| 15:29 |
Calinou |
too late, though; you could use the "fixmbr" command if you can boot windows |
| 15:29 |
brobostigon |
Calinou: true, yes. |
| 15:29 |
Aerodynamic |
I was aiming at something more like Arch, Learn from the net to use everything like I have everything else. |
| 15:30 |
Calinou |
arch sucks. |
| 15:30 |
Calinou |
don't use it; it's a lot of hassle for little to no gain |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
can't you just disable UEFI in the BIOS and be done with ti? |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
it |
| 15:30 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, no? |
| 15:30 |
Aerodynamic |
What is wrong with it? |
| 15:30 |
brobostigon |
Aerodynamic: also, do you know enough about linux, to fix it, as arch is a rolling distro? |
| 15:30 |
Calinou |
UEFI is a new bios system in C, not in assembly |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
as I understand, that's supposed to be a requirement |
| 15:30 |
Calinou |
it's a whole different system |
| 15:31 |
Calinou |
if you want a rolling distro, choose debian testing (and edit your sources.list a bit), IMO |
| 15:31 |
Calinou |
it's much easier :P and more stable than arch |
| 15:31 |
VanessaE |
it's handled partly by the BIOS also; you're supposed to be able to disable the secure boot entirely therein, which is supposed to give you basically the usual boot method |
| 15:31 |
VanessaE |
except on ...ARM? ... devices, where disabling is forbidden by M$ |
| 15:31 |
Calinou |
there is no secure boot in win7 :P |
| 15:32 |
Calinou |
win8 will have secure boot. SHOULD be disableable but not on ARM :| |
| 15:32 |
brobostigon |
Calinou: yes, testing is maybe better, as the stuff in there gets tested, i an in unstable, so alittle more risky. |
| 15:33 |
Aerodynamic |
So the complexity offers nothing in return more than others? |
| 15:33 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 15:33 |
Calinou |
except if you want to show off your "ski1lZ", go ahead |
| 15:33 |
Aerodynamic |
What benefits does it offer if any? |
| 15:34 |
Aerodynamic |
Besides showing you have "knowledge"? |
| 15:34 |
brobostigon |
Calinou: i just went with unstable, as at that time gnome3 wasnt in stable nor testing, so unstable was my only choice. |
| 15:34 |
Calinou |
why did you want gnome3? :P |
| 15:34 |
Calinou |
Aerodynamic, none. the AUR sucks |
| 15:34 |
VanessaE |
gnome? ick. XFCE ftw. :-) |
| 15:35 |
Aerodynamic |
Anything with high complexity that offers good benefit in return. (A learning experience counts.) |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
high five VanessaE |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
4.8 rocks |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 15:35 |
brobostigon |
Calinou: as at that point in time, i was testing gnome-shell, and other componants, and it was my only choice, with the media i had at hand. |
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| 15:55 |
Calinou |
NakedFury is now naked :o |
| 15:56 |
MiJyn |
thanks for the very nice and appropriate joke Calinou |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
he wasn't, earlier. |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
ol |
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| 17:44 |
art |
hi what's up .. ;] i almost done making 3D torches i think i will add some "flaming effects" later but right now i need new texture can some body make one for me ? |
| 17:46 |
Calinou |
hi art |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
maybe me; but I don't know _how_ your torch will be textured |
| 17:47 |
art |
give me a second .. |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
no, two seconds. |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
:3 |
| 17:47 |
art |
is there a screan shot short key in minetest |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
yes: F12 |
| 17:47 |
art |
thx |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
screenshots are in the "bin" folder |
| 17:49 |
art |
ahh .. bin .. yep i found .. |
| 17:50 |
art |
http://tinypic.com/r/iws048/6 |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
o_O |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
these are not torches |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
these are sticks |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 17:51 |
art |
right now its used wood texture ;D |
| 17:51 |
art |
that why it looks like sticks :D |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
why are you playing "minimal"? |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
clone this in your "games" folder: |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
git clone http://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
then start a world with minetest_game |
| 17:53 |
art |
hmy .... |
| 17:54 |
art |
i will try... but i'm working on game core so is game needed for it ? |
| 17:54 |
art |
i use it for test's only |
| 17:56 |
art |
o0 .. right now i'm sure i will use it .. ther is flame mode in lua i will add it to torch ;D |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
minetest_game is better |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
as it's the "full" game |
| 17:58 |
art |
Calinou: any way can u make for me something like this : http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Torch ^_^ |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
unfortunately you can't create non-cuboid nodeboxes |
| 17:58 |
art |
i run full game now .. is there some cheats to give staff ? |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
all nodeboxes are axis-aligned |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
art, /grant singleplayer all |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
(allows flight/fast mode) |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
/giveme <item name> <amount> |
| 17:59 |
art |
thx |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
/giveme stone -1 |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
infinite-ish stack of stone |
| 17:59 |
art |
o0 |
| 17:59 |
art |
great |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
/giveme MesePick |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
mese pickaxe |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
/giveme glass 99 |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
stack of glass |
| 18:00 |
art |
all right thx ;D |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/1091914/ |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
tool names for /giveme |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
these are particular |
| 18:01 |
Calinou |
also, to give sticks, it's Stick, not stick. (case-sensitive) |
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| 18:30 |
art |
what do you guys think about that kind of torch for minetest ;D |
| 18:30 |
art |
http://tinypic.com/r/2vtct9s/6 |
| 18:34 |
art |
nobody here or there is not opinion on that sh##y work |
| 18:35 |
darkrose |
looks boring |
| 18:36 |
art |
darkrose: any idea how to make it more interesting ? |
| 18:37 |
art |
some animation ? |
| 18:37 |
art |
or effect ? |
| 18:39 |
darkrose |
the shape is ugly, the default 2d ones look better |
| 18:42 |
art |
o0 |
| 18:43 |
Fixer_ |
my grub loads winxp well without problems |
| 18:43 |
Fixer_ |
and win7 too |
| 18:44 |
art |
u just killed me ..... i can not understand how 2d flat texture can look better then ... solid block .. |
| 18:45 |
art |
i was thnikink about rounded shape or animate flame and light but it can stress game core a lot and we are talking about minecraft clone .. 3d cuboid world .. |
| 18:46 |
art |
i simply can not accept your way of thinking .. so u prefer having all the staff in game flat 2d ? |
| 18:46 |
art |
like flowers, fruits items etc etc |
| 18:48 |
darkrose |
no, but a rectangular lump doesn't look as good as a 2d sprite with some shape to it |
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Taoki |
meh, I keep missing c55. |
| 19:17 |
Taoki |
If someone else knows, I wanted to ask if nodeboxes can be animated by chance |
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| 19:50 |
VanessaE |
they can |
| 19:50 |
VanessaE |
that 3dforniture mod has animated textures in the flame part of the 3d torch |
| 19:50 |
VanessaE |
though I doubt the actual boxes can move around, as such |
| 19:51 |
VanessaE |
(unless you define a whole bunch of nodes, each with the boxes in a different position, and use them like old fashioned cell animation. |
| 19:51 |
VanessaE |
but that's CPU intensive) |
| 20:09 |
Taoki |
nice |
| 20:09 |
Taoki |
VanessaE: It's still for making animated players and mobs and such. You already can define a 3D mesh, but if you can also animate legs and arms that's nice |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
ash that kind of animation.. |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
ah* |
| 20:10 |
Taoki |
yeah. Like legs and arms swinging when you walk, even if they're one block |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
um...all I can say there is good luck with that ;-) |
| 20:11 |
Taoki |
ah, so it's not already implemented. Ok :P |
| 20:11 |
Taoki |
Or possible with a LUA hack |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
as long as the arms and legs, when moving, actually look reasonably accurate and not this stiff mechanical sorta look I've seen in minecraft videos |
| 20:11 |
Taoki |
yeah MC does that |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
even quake3/openarena looks better, and that's hardly the pinnacle of modern CGI |
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cy1 |
what are StaticObject? |
| 23:33 |
cy1 |
They get serialized and deserialized in every mapblock (collection of nodes that loads all at once) |
| 23:33 |
cy1 |
Never referred to anywhere else in the code. |
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