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IRC log for #minetest, 2018-10-08

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08:45 MinetestBot jas_: Metis - Tutorial | metis2.duckdns.org:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.16 / tutorial | Ping: 14ms
08:45 jas_ !server jas0
08:45 MinetestBot jas_: jas0 | dcbl.duckdns.org | Clients: 1/15, 0/2 | Version: 5.0.0-dev / minetest | Ping: 129ms
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08:48 VanessaE bah, just play on my servers.  they're all you need :)
08:49 jas_ ha it's funny b/c my daughter asked if i had to choose between quake and minetest, and i said minetest because i can play it alone
08:49 jas_ then she asked between minecraft and minetest and i said minetest because of the sneak glitch
08:49 jas_ lol
08:49 jas_ "and that's all i need"
08:50 Quiark i think the time has come
08:50 Quiark to ask what is the sneak glitch
08:55 VanessaE no
08:55 VanessaE that subject is taboo here.
08:57 VanessaE ok ok.  it's a bug-turned-feature that causes you to jump a bit higher than normal if you sneak at the same time (usually shift+space).  It can be used to scale walls that are properly prepared, without a ladder
08:57 rubenwardy The sneak glitch is a bug which created useful behaviour. The glitch allowed you to climb nodes by holding sneak, and to create sneak elevators - a structure of nodes you could climb faster than a ladder
08:58 rubenwardy The bug was fixed by rewriting move. It was than readded as a coded feature
08:58 rubenwardy The bug in bug form allowed you to avoid fall damage
08:59 rubenwardy The new move is hated by some older players for being less fun
08:59 sfan5 nitpick: it wasn't readded, it was kept as an option during the rewrite
09:01 VanessaE didn't....I just say all of that? :P
09:02 Quiark aah
09:02 jas_ it appears the collisionbox feature of 0.5.0-dev affected the physical=true player property, and i feel the sneakjump behavior is slightly different in mt5
09:02 jas_ at least i get better framerates? idk
09:02 jas_ !server VanessaE
09:02 MinetestBot jas_: No results
09:02 rubenwardy Pretty sure it was a reimplementation by scanning nodes?
09:03 rubenwardy Well, guess I remembered wrong
09:03 rubenwardy There's an option to choose between old and new move
09:03 jas_ all i know is my sneak_jump mod is different in 0.4.16 and it uses physical=true in the github repo... i commented it out on this server
09:03 rubenwardy There's also an option to enable the feature in new move
09:03 VanessaE jas_: my servers are in their reboot cycle right now
09:03 jas_ mine is newmove on/sneak jump off by default; you have to hold 'Use' (sprint) to enable newmove/sneakglitch
09:04 VanessaE they'll be back up in about 5 minutes.
09:04 jas_ i mean oldmove/sneakjump (confusing sometimes heh)
09:06 jas_ ...and on my server you can eat your bones
09:07 VanessaE um....ew.
09:07 VanessaE :P
09:07 jas_ yep, plus it features a ton of lag.  i should make papyrus edible
09:07 Shara I found the approach of using it on sprint too annoying.... For me, old sneak is all about having more control and careful precise movement, which doesn't really work with sprinting :P
09:07 jas_ works for me, it's the only way i like to play tbh.
09:08 jas_ but i play ESDF not WASD
09:08 VanessaE sneak + jump + sprint all together is useful on sloped terrain
09:08 Shara So you designed a totally custome and unique movement style then :P
09:08 jas_ god help me if i can ever right click to jump smh
09:08 Shara There are times I use it when sprinting... just tapping shift to get a boost over things, but I'd hate to "need" to sprint to use it
09:09 jas_ it's part of the 'survival' aspect in that the sprint meter is based on the hunger meter
09:09 jas_ so if you're hungry u cannot sprint
09:09 VanessaE ah, none of my servers use that
09:09 Shara That part is fine, but why should I need that to use old sneak?
09:09 jas_ versus new sneak ?
09:09 jas_ i tried it a few times, it's not the same
09:09 Shara That seems to be how you are saying it works?
09:10 jas_ i'll take the fall damage avoidance bad with the awesome movement physics good
09:10 jas_ newmove's sneak jump is not as good as oldmove sneak jump
09:10 jas_ imho
09:10 Shara I didn't care about the fall damage either way, but did want the rest. For me it's mostly the controls though.
09:10 Shara If I release shift, I want to fall.
09:10 jas_ i usually get fall damage anyway, or just try not to cheat (usually).  i have shift as sprint, z as sneak
09:11 jas_ esdf, and space to jump (grr)
09:11 jas_ w inventory heh
09:11 jas_ txcvargb for the 8 item slots
09:11 jas_ (enter for chat, y for infirange)
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09:15 jas_ oh and alt is zoom, and 1 is minimap...
09:16 jas_ and keyboard on lap, with giant mousepad and low sensitivity
09:16 VanessaE the only custom key I have set is E == descend/aux. because my hand can't hit shift easily, and I'm used to it.
09:17 VanessaE !server VanessaE
09:17 MinetestBot VanessaE: VanessaE's Nostalgia Server | daconcepts.com:30002 | Clients: 0/50, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17.1 / mt_nostalgia | Ping: 8ms
09:17 jas_ nice
09:17 VanessaE oh fine, show the lame one.
09:18 VanessaE probably because that one almost always comes back up first after the morning backupcycle ends
09:19 jas_ !server VanessaE
09:19 MinetestBot jas_: VanessaE's Dreambuilder survival Server | daconcepts.com:30001 | Clients: 0/50, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17.1 / minetest | Ping: 7ms
09:20 VanessaE I run five of 'em, plus I host one or two more for others.
09:20 jas_ they were some of the first i ever tried, and i always had dreambuilder around
09:21 VanessaE best servers in the community imho ;)
09:22 jas_ ha, i'd have to agree but i only ever once asked an admin for permission to play on a server before, and it wasnt a great experience
09:22 VanessaE heh
09:22 jas_ that was honestly the reason i made a server, because i didnt wanna ask permission to play on the servers, which was very common i dunno about now
09:22 jas_ what five years ago? or less
09:22 VanessaE well mine just have a simple rules+keyword screen.  get through that and you're in. :)
09:23 jas_ yes i like that a lot better, that came later tho i think.  at the time u had to find someone online i think
09:23 VanessaE yeah
09:24 VanessaE the trend in traffic over the past couple weeks has been encouraging, at least.
09:25 jas_ that's good.  i wonder what troubles currently plague the android version.  i think the way of the keyboard and mouse aren't long for this world, at least the mouse.  trackpads these days i guess
09:26 VanessaE oh no
09:26 VanessaE you can take my mouse from me after I'm gone :P
09:26 jas_ hahaha yep.  they're the best part!
09:27 jas_ the cutest part anyway, but they're peripheral more than the keyboard i think.  i have a trackpad on this wireless keyboard i'm typing on.
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15:18 Parakush hello all
15:19 Parakush been pouring over docs and can't seem to tame/mount a horse, using the main addon listed for horses but can't seem to get it
15:19 Parakush end up killing the damn things
15:19 rubenwardy mobs redo?
15:19 Parakush yeah
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16:05 calcul0n Parakush, feed it with wheat to tame it (feed it until you see hearts), then put a saddle on it to mount
16:05 calcul0n you need an extra mod to be able to mount, mobs_mount or something like that
16:16 Parakush finally got to the point where i can mount it
16:16 Parakush tried applying horseshoes
16:17 Parakush and it either doesnt work.. or it kills the horse
16:17 Parakush (left click kills, right click does nothing)
16:17 Parakush tried mounted and dismounted
16:22 calcul0n i never needed the horseshoes but the tooltip says use on horse to apply
16:22 calcul0n maybe try the use key?
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16:25 Parakush will do, thanks
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19:22 ManilaMan Is this still active?
19:22 sfan5 depends on your definition of "active"
19:22 paramat and "this"
19:23 ManilaMan Well, last time I played Minetest was 2 or 3 years ago. I was wondering if it will be worth it if I jump right back into the game
19:23 sfan5 !server players:most
19:23 MinetestBot sfan5: Blocky Survival | mt.packets4hire.com:30005 | Clients: 22/50, 20/22 | Version: 0.4.17.1 / minetest_game_modified | Ping: 89ms
19:23 paramat MT and MTGame are much improved since then
19:23 sfan5 hmm only 22
19:24 ManilaMan does MT have a Discord I can join?
19:24 paramat yeah
19:24 ManilaMan What's the link/name
19:25 sfan5 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18636 this one probably
19:25 ManilaMan Cool, thanks a lot 😃
19:26 swift110 hey all
19:27 ManilaMan Wow, so it's still active I see
19:27 swift110 yes why wouldnt it be
19:27 swift110 good to see you ManilaMan
19:28 swift110 I am on discord as well maybe I will see you there
19:28 ManilaMan I just assumed. It's been years
19:28 ManilaMan Heya, swift110
19:28 ManilaMan Yeah, I just joined the Discord so I'm the new guy in the lounge
19:30 paramat serching the forum there seems to be several MT discord servers, not sure which is the most active one, but there is an active one somewhere
19:30 swift110 ok
19:34 rubenwardy There's one main one
19:34 rubenwardy The discord
19:34 rubenwardy The rest only have a few people in it
19:35 swift110 ok
19:38 swift110 so where is the main oe
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21:02 Sketch2 When you use minetest.get_timeofday() in a CSM, does it poll the server, or just return the value that your local machine has?
21:05 sfan5 the latter
21:05 Sketch2 IIRC, normally your device polls the server every 20 seconds or so.  just wondering if the command actually sends out another request, 'cuz I don't wanna spam the server.  ok, ty
21:06 sfan5 the server actually send you the time of day at fixed intervals
21:09 Sketch2 cool, was pretty sure it was something like that.
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22:12 rubenwardy Server Link
22:12 rubenwardy https://discord.gg/Wr6eXU3
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