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00:00 blaise is there a command for it?
00:00 paramat i'll tell you how in a moment
00:00 blaise I figured eventually it would rain from cloud cover but it never happened
00:00 blaise and after an hour and a half I never cought any fish either
00:00 blaise lol
00:01 blaise I tried to find a place where it was raining or snowing, never found anything
00:01 * blaise shrus
00:02 blaise that lightning mod is great though
00:03 paramat ok, line 107 add 'precip = true'
00:03 blaise :o
00:03 * blaise facepalms
00:04 paramat that should be just after line 105 'local precip = ...'
00:04 paramat there is no precipitation in some biomes
00:04 paramat but also, in suitable biomes it doesn't precipitate constantly
00:05 paramat you can make it more often by altering the parameter 'PRECOFF'
00:05 blaise of course not
00:06 blaise line 105 = >--->--->---local precip = nval_prec < (nval_humid - 50) / 50 + PRECOFF and
00:06 paramat you can leave that line in
00:06 paramat just reset precip to true after that line
00:07 blaise 107 is empy line
00:07 paramat yes
00:08 paramat i mean, make line 107 'precip = true' instead of empty
00:08 paramat that will force raon/snow everywhere and always
00:08 blaise ah
00:09 BakerPrime Who was that player that left a line of color stuff?
00:09 blaise curious how i never managed to run across any
00:09 blaise BakerPrime: not a player
00:09 blaise BakerPrime: superbowl spammer
00:09 BakerPrime Ah
00:10 BakerPrime Nothing to do with any already known "spammers", right? I got a PM from them.
00:10 BakerPrime Didn't respond for fear of it being you-know-who
00:10 blaise lol
00:10 BakerPrime It was just a line of color, period.
00:10 BakerPrime No lettering.
00:11 BakerPrime No, wait...
00:11 blaise paramat: surely the lua in its original form would have rain or snow somewhere, right?
00:11 BakerPrime There was, someone was just very bad an HTML color codes.
00:11 BakerPrime xD
00:12 BakerPrime HH2233 and HH2244 don't go on top of each other. :P (Not exact codes, sorry, too lazy to look them up tonight)
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00:26 paramat blaise correct, no idea why not
00:28 blaise so weird
00:28 paramat but try raising PRECOFF to 1.0, then it should rain/snow constantly in any suitable biome
00:29 paramat (not deserts or dry tundra)
00:29 blaise there was a guy that posted a youtube video that made a fork of your snowdrift, you know what ever happened to that?
00:30 paramat there are a few forks. i think that was markubu
00:30 blaise he didn't die, did he?
00:30 paramat no
00:30 paramat at least i hope not =)
00:31 paramat https://github.com/MarkuBu/snowdrift
00:31 paramat there are 6 forks
00:32 paramat note my version is probably the simplest and most lightweight
00:32 blaise I think it was burli
00:35 blaise I guess he never published it
00:35 blaise oh wait
00:35 blaise lol
00:35 blaise same guy
00:35 blaise hehehehe
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00:47 blaise wonderful
00:47 blaise paramat: thank you for your help
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01:47 ProfanedBane Hey, random question. Do mods etc only run serverside?
01:47 ProfanedBane IE the client never downloads them or whatever.
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01:50 blaise yeah, pretty much
01:50 blaise they snag the media
01:50 ProfanedBane So
01:50 blaise but a lot of servers use a public minetest media server
01:50 ProfanedBane In theory all the mods licensed under LGPL can be modified, and the modified version can be kept closed source?
01:51 blaise so if you wanna play the mods single player you have to download them into the minetest/mods directory
01:51 blaise I'm not an atturney..
01:51 ProfanedBane Was just confirming that, was checking what licenses to use for my code.
01:52 red-001 ProfanedBane, no, once LGPL basically always LGPL
01:52 blaise I have no idea about the implications of stealing gpl'ed code
01:53 red-001 but LGPL doesn't force you to distribute your changes
01:53 red-001 just supply the source code if you do
01:54 ProfanedBane So yeah, the can be closed source in the sense the source ain't distributed.
01:54 ProfanedBane Only AGPL keeps network/serverside stuff open source at all times.
01:54 ProfanedBane If I recall right.
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04:44 blaise hrmm
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05:05 blaise odd
05:05 blaise I can dig, place blocks, all that stuff
05:05 blaise can't access bags, can't type in chat or issue commands
05:05 blaise so weird
05:11 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Document 'wielditem' visual in object properties b7ff40e https://git.io/vNpM0 (2018-02-05T05:07:36Z)
05:11 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Item entity: Prevent motion in ignore nodes 520293b https://git.io/vNpME (2018-02-05T05:07:29Z)
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05:13 rud0lf hello o/
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05:23 blaise hi
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06:00 harrym hi
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06:22 rud0lf is there any advantage in using leveldb/postgresql map backend?
06:29 blaise big maps
06:29 blaise redis is actually reallly really fast
06:29 blaise becuase it's ram only
06:30 blaise but if the server crashes the map is gone
06:30 blaise leveldb isn't great but it's better than the default (litesql)
06:31 blaise mysql or postgresql I would say would be the best choice for the intentions of having a server that will be in existence for a long period of time with a lot of different players and construction
06:33 harrym Huh?
06:33 harrym 2 people with the same name?
06:33 blaise I was speaking to rud0lf
06:33 rud0lf tjanks
06:34 rud0lf s/j/h
06:35 harrym oh
06:35 harrym sorry
06:35 harrym totally missed that XD
06:35 blaise no problem
06:36 harrym join my irc channel: #harry-irc
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07:33 rud0lf what for?
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10:40 danSNDBX hi everyone :)
10:40 danSNDBX i am uploading a new YT video right now :D
10:42 pgimeno_ !tell ProfanedBane That's correct, the (L)GPL doesn't impose limits to code modification, only to distribution. Since the mods run on the server side and are not distributed, you may keep your changes private.
10:42 MinetestBot pgimeno_: I'll pass that on when ProfanedBane is around
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11:56 danSNDBX hey everyone, i just finished my new minetest video, please check it out and leave a comment on YT :)! https://youtu.be/zmopSXE6Mhw
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13:46 sameyepatch[m] danSNDBX: wow, never thought of that
13:46 sameyepatch[m] oh, I forgot to comment
13:46 danSNDBX its pretty simple but it works pretty well
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13:47 danSNDBX if u manage to find lava one, u never need to dig for stone again :)
13:48 danSNDBX thx for the comment sameyepatch[m] :-)
13:48 sameyepatch[m] oh, you're the guy of the small house video, I remember that one
13:48 danSNDBX yeah, thats me :D
13:49 sameyepatch[m] that was a very odd design in my opinion xD
13:49 sameyepatch[m] but kudos for making minetest videos, we should take over youtube and replace minecraft videos with minetest ones
13:49 danSNDBX true
13:50 danSNDBX well i tryed to show something u usually wont build. so maybe it turned into an odd design but still many ppl liked the idea :)
13:53 sameyepatch[m] an original one indeed haha
13:54 sameyepatch[m] just subscribed, so looking forward to more videos!
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13:56 adfeno I wish Minetest and Voxelands replace Minecrap one day in famous videos ;)
13:56 danSNDBX i am working on it adfeno :)
13:57 sameyepatch[m] Minecrap, I'm stealing that xD adfeno
13:57 danSNDBX thx for the sub, sameyepatch[m] - i usually do new videos at weekends, so u have to be patient for at least a week ;)
13:58 adfeno sameyepatch[m]: Hahaha, you're welcome
13:58 sameyepatch[m] no problem, take your time
13:58 sameyepatch[m] gotta go to work, see you guys
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14:19 MinetestBot [git] HybridDog -> minetest/minetest: Add minetest.is_player (#7013) 87e08b1 https://git.io/vNhRT (2018-02-05T14:17:10Z)
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14:24 AndroBuilder is it possible to have a   wildcard-whitelist? ... so anyone who has "R" or "r" in his name is allowed to join?
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14:32 Guest91594 hello guys, is there any way to undo copy in World Edit command
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14:33 Guest91594 I typed wrong the coordinate
14:34 IhrFussel AndroBuilder, one sec writing a snippet
14:34 ThomasMonroe Guest91594, not really, sorry
14:34 ThomasMonroe there is a mod to be able to do some of that, but it has to have been installed b4 you did the cmd
14:36 IhrFussel AndroBuilder, https://pastebin.com/ThhuR89j
14:36 Guest91594 ok, thanks, it was not a big damage
14:37 Guest91594 I'll get to do againd
14:37 AndroBuilder IhrFussel: wow great thanks and where do i put this?
14:38 IhrFussel In any init.lua of any mod
14:38 IhrFussel But outside of every function ... maybe best is right at the beginning
14:41 AndroBuilder ok
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14:47 catpats oh, I cat
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15:24 lumberJ danSNDBX: http://i.imgur.com/6xawTOC.png
15:24 danSNDBX ty
15:25 lumberJ yw
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15:44 AndroBuilder IhrFussel: how would i define an array which contains all the whitelistet letters/elements? ....
15:44 AndroBuilder f.e. all usernames with "r" and "builder" and 8 are whitelisted
15:45 IhrFussel AndroBuilder, lua has no arrays...you mean table? Not sure right now, but if it's not too many patterns to check for you could simply add another " and not string.find(name,"pattern")" before then
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15:47 AndroBuilder IhrFussel: like this? if string.find(lowername,"7") == nil and string.find(lowername,"8") == nil and string.find(lowername,"Builder") == nil then
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16:05 IhrFussel AndroBuilder, "if not" cause you want to check if the pattern doesn't exist
16:06 IhrFussel "if not" "and not"
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16:08 IhrFussel AndroBuilder, if not string.find(lowername,"7") and not string.find(lowername,"8") and not string.find(lowername,"builder") then
16:09 IhrFussel builder needs to be lowercase cause lowername is lowercase name ... you can replace it with name to check for upper/lowercase
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16:15 AndroBuilder okay thanks :)
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21:54 blaise could someone log on to my server and tell me wha they thing is happening?
21:58 GNU[BDC] blaise: what server?
21:58 blaise midnightsystems.net:30000
21:58 sfan5 se
21:58 sfan5 uh wrong tab
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21:59 GNU[BDC] its not in list
21:59 blaise yeah?
21:59 GNU[BDC] loading stuff
22:00 blaise mmm, stuph
22:00 blaise are you evil?
22:00 GNU[BDC] yes
22:01 blaise notice any funkyness?
22:01 blaise i can't issue commands to the server or use chat
22:02 blaise idk wtf is wrong
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22:03 blaise everything seems normal except being able to use the console for chat and commands
22:03 GNU[BDC] blaise: did you press hide chat? i can see you repeat hello?
22:03 blaise nope
22:03 blaise i see the chat
22:04 blaise but it's like the server never receives it
22:04 blaise I been talking non stop on the server
22:04 GNU[BDC] blaise: i see you talking in server
22:05 sfan5 blaise: you aren't running any chat modifying mods are you?
22:05 blaise yeah, chat 2.0 or what ever it's called
22:05 GNU[BDC] blaise: do you run custom client or something? i can see all fine
22:06 blaise sfan5: you think it's breaking my junk?
22:06 sfan5 yes
22:06 blaise GNU[BDC]: no, standard minetest-0.4.16 stable release
22:07 GNU[BDC] blaise: granting me all privs is not a good idea,
22:07 GNU[BDC] i could delete whole world
22:07 blaise i don't care, I just recreated this world
22:07 blaise I've been having issues
22:08 GNU[BDC] for me all looks fine
22:08 blaise the original world is on postgresql
22:08 blaise this is just default db
22:08 blaise i still can't see your chat,
22:08 blaise I see your pm in the server log
22:08 blaise but nothing in world chat
22:09 blaise I just now saw my hello?
22:09 blaise and just now saw your hi
22:09 GNU[BDC] blaise: you have lag
22:09 blaise me or server?
22:09 GNU[BDC] blaise:  looks as you have lag.
22:10 GNU[BDC] blaise:  you, as i can see all instant. Server reply instant too
22:10 blaise ah, ...
22:10 blaise so something is funky between me and the server
22:10 blaise not server and world
22:10 GNU[BDC] blaise: write /status and see how long it takes
22:10 sfan5 which version is your client, blaise?
22:11 blaise minetest-0.4.16 stable
22:11 GNU[BDC] same here
22:11 blaise same version as server
22:11 GNU[BDC] blaise: how many fps you get?
22:11 blaise about 60
22:12 blaise when I open the menu it drops to 20
22:13 GNU[BDC] something is with your client
22:13 GNU[BDC] server works fine
22:13 blaise if I look at the ground I get 100-120fps
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22:14 GNU[BDC] did you wrote /status
22:14 blaise I issued status before sfan5 asked fps.. still hasn't passed through yet
22:15 blaise I get a lot of player blaise moved too fast; resetting position
22:15 sfan5 try removing your chat mod
22:15 blaise then it bounces me all over the map and back to some place where I wasn't standing to begin with but it's close by
22:15 GNU[BDC] blaise:  ok i don't have it
22:16 blaise don't have what?
22:16 GNU[BDC] issues you describe
22:16 blaise apparently
22:16 blaise does the server seem playable and something someone might be able to enjoy?
22:17 blaise I had terrible issues on the other map.. I removed a lot of mods
22:17 GNU[BDC] i see you have advtrain mod
22:17 blaise I'm going to recompile minetest and see if that helps things
22:18 GNU[BDC] server works fine on my side
22:19 blaise GNU[BDC]: thank you for getting in there and checking it out
22:20 GNU[BDC] yw
22:22 blaise sfan5: what is the spatial compiling option for in minetest?
22:22 sfan5 dunno
22:23 * blaise facepalms
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22:30 blaise something to do with libspacialindex
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22:31 blaise >---spatial? ( sci-libs/libspatialindex )"
22:35 blaise so weird
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22:36 MinetestBot ProfanedBane: Feb-05 10:42 UTC <pgimeno_> That's correct, the (L)GPL doesn't impose limits to code modification, only to distribution. Since the mods run on the server side and are not distributed, you may keep your changes private.
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22:38 blaise interestingly enought, when I hit F5 I only saw 0.15 latency
22:38 blaise so I dunno where that lag came from
22:38 blaise so weir
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22:59 blaise why do people keep trying to supply empty passwords?
22:59 Calinou blaise: the default is an empty password
22:59 blaise do they think somehow that magicly no one will ever use the same nick or try to take their stuff?
22:59 Calinou the client doesn't prevent attempting to connect with an empty server if the server does not allow such passwords
22:59 blaise Calinou: that seems rather precarious
22:59 Calinou (information isn't sent to clients beforehand)
23:00 blaise I guess we need another colum on the server list that shows a key so people know
23:01 blaise that or make some means of ident with the client
23:01 blaise ident auth via ssl keys or something?
23:01 blaise lol
23:01 blaise oh nice, someone just tried to connect with an 0.4.10 client
23:01 blaise HAH
23:09 blaise yeah, I got crazy lag to my server
23:09 blaise idk why
23:09 blaise it's not real lag though, idkwtf is going on
23:10 blaise in reality I have a 60ms delay
23:10 blaise it's pretty snappy connection and route
23:11 blaise i click the go home button and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and I'm still waiting and even more waiting
23:11 blaise I could walk home, and it's like 4km away
23:13 blaise │2018-02-05 23:12:51: ACTION[Server]: Player blaise moved too fast; resetting position                                                                                                                                          ┤
23:13 blaise =(
23:13 blaise I sware I wasn't moving fast
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23:15 blaise never mind, just hit 20 hops and no reply from any of them
23:16 blaise 31 hops
23:17 blaise none of the gateways are responding
23:17 blaise so my route is garbage
23:17 blaise crap
23:17 pgimeno_ try resetting it?
23:18 blaise how do I do that?
23:18 blaise 15  midnightsystems.net (172.97.103.156)  258.815 ms  140.252 ms  247.533 ms
23:18 pgimeno_ ah you didn't mean router
23:18 blaise I'm not like, the king of the internet or some crap
23:18 blaise lol
23:19 blaise "I command you gateways to fix my route!"
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23:27 blaise ok, so the route seems to have calmed down to about 40ms
23:28 blaise but I'm still having major issues
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23:32 ProfanedBane man checking that a teleport destination is valid based on line of sight sure is a pain
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23:46 ProfanedBane Of course line_of_sight() can't detect diagonal barriers
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23:54 ProfanedBane Anyone know how expensive high precision 'line_of_sight" calls are?
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