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00:11 clavi what are the pros/cons of redis and postgres for servers?
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00:16 Calinou clavi: see https://wiki.minetest.net/Data​base_backends#Comparison_table
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00:16 clavi I know that table
00:16 Calinou you should probably favor PostgreSQL for a server, it is well-maintained and performs well
00:16 Calinou (I'm using it)
00:16 clavi e.g. reliability - "good" vs "very good"
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00:16 clavi what does that mean :D
00:16 Calinou it can also store player files, which the Redis back-end cannot do
00:17 Calinou PostgreSQL is just more "tried and proven", so it has lots of utilities available
00:17 clavi and I can make database backups while the server is running, right?
00:18 blaise as opposed to litesql?
00:18 clavi yes
00:18 blaise can't they use the same db file?
00:19 pgimeno_ right, you can
00:19 clavi sqlite is a different database engine, it can't use the same file as postgres
00:22 blaise so you could use what ever resources are available to you depending on your needs
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00:23 clavi is postgres support compiled in by default?
00:23 blaise hrmmmmm
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00:34 Calinou clavi: yes, if you have the PostgreSQL libraries installed; else, no
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00:43 blaise seems like there was some insanity with running radiusdb or something
00:43 blaise where it keeps the entire map in ram
00:44 blaise which is perfectly fine if you have a billion gigs of ram...
00:44 blaise redis
00:45 blaise that's what it was, redis
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00:46 blaise hrmm..... what's this spatial support for....
00:52 progysm hmm, even netcat seems to work from the external ip
00:55 blaise hrmm?
00:55 Calinou today, we're celebrating the 6 years of the 0.4_20120122 release, the last 0.4 pre-release which didn't feature sound support
00:56 Fixer waaat
00:56 blaise oh?
00:56 blaise lol
00:56 Fixer i had sound support in 0.2.2011
00:57 Fixer played it on windows xp back then
00:57 Fixer i'm pretty sure there was sound
00:57 progysm with minetest: I can connect to <localip>:30000 , can't connect to <externalip>:30000, But with netcat, I can do <localip>:30000 and <externalip>:30000
00:58 Calinou progysm: Minetest uses UDP, remember
00:58 Calinou so if you forwarded a port due to a NAT, you need to allow UDP
00:58 Calinou (TCP doesn't even need to be allowed, in fact)
00:59 progysm yes, netcat -u -l ...
00:59 Calinou Fixer: no, releases up to 0.3.1 did not feature sound
00:59 Calinou progysm: is it an IPv4 or IPv6?
00:59 progysm and my BIND9 server work on UDP (ipv4)
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01:10 progysm weird, http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server  <-- they say TCP and UDP 30000 there
01:15 blaise progysm: probably for media
01:17 progysm they send media with curl?
01:24 jordan4ibanez How does one add sounds to clientmods?
01:25 progysm what if I do something really stupid and run it as root on another port...
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01:28 progysm nope, stupidity doesn't help
01:32 blaise lol
01:32 blaise I
01:32 artimax Has anybody successfully ran a minetest server on CentOS?
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01:33 blaise I've never had any problems.. even with my own personal router which I used openwrt on
01:33 artimax I can run minetest server but i cant connect to it
01:33 blaise artimax: not even on the localhost?
01:33 artimax after everthing ive tried i think it might be something I dont understand about RedHat distributions
01:33 artimax its on a headless server
01:34 artimax ive never tried it as localhost
01:34 blaise so ssh in and look for the open port with netstat -a
01:34 artimax I used nmap but not netstat
01:34 artimax one sec
01:35 blaise netstat -a | less
01:35 blaise should be at the top somewhere
01:35 artimax what am i looking for?
01:36 artimax udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:30000           0.0.0.0:*
01:36 blaise yep, that's it
01:36 artimax ok thanks
01:36 blaise so it's listening on all interfaces at port 30000 for a connection from a minetest client
01:36 progysm I find easier to find it with netstat -lnup
01:36 Lone-Star progysm: if you are on the same network, you will not be able to connect via the external ip, only internal ip
01:37 blaise you can use bind to have it only listent on a specific port if you like, in the minetest.conf
01:37 artimax I have it to the internal IP. I have never had a problem hosting local games before
01:37 artimax but they have always been on Debian systems
01:37 artimax This is the first problem Ive had which It why I thought it might be CentOS
01:38 progysm Lone-Star, can you connect to minetest.progysm.com 30000 ?
01:38 artimax ah. ill look into that
01:38 blaise Lone-Star: that has not been my experience, if it was goose egged out for all interfaces, unless your isp is a bag of dicks, you should be able to connect
01:38 artimax yea, when im out i just set my router to forward to whichever machine im hosting on currently
01:39 artimax Im trying to move permanantly to my r710 rn tho
01:40 Lone-Star blaise: or the router does not allow loopback. i think thats what it is. some routers will not allow the use of ext ip on loacal net
01:40 blaise the router will not be aware of the loopback interface except for it's own loopback interface
01:40 progysm but it works for all other service, like imap, bind9 (udp), http
01:41 blaise each machine will have it's own, which is isolated from all the rest
01:41 blaise that's why they call them loopback
01:42 blaise you shouldn't be useing the loopback interface anyway.. unless you're trying to connect to the minetest server you have running on the same machine you're using the client on
01:42 Lone-Star progysm: connection timed out
01:42 progysm yeah, that's what I get
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01:42 blaise lol
01:43 blaise you can't connect to 127.0.0.1 on a machine that is not the machine that you're working from
01:43 blaise aka the loopback network
01:43 Lone-Star guess my isp are dicks. i can never connect to my home server(s) via ext ip. only with my phone and wifi disabled
01:43 artimax If you can you should get your own modem and router
01:44 artimax I saw an speed increase when i did that
01:44 blaise if it's a windows machine it could very well be the windows firewall, and if you have an isp based router it could be that too
01:44 blaise I'
01:44 blaise I
01:44 blaise GAH DAMNAH!!
01:44 Lone-Star yeah, check the os's firewall
01:44 blaise I've never ever used isp provisioned hardware
01:44 blaise I don't trust them
01:44 artimax Its the worst
01:45 Lone-Star i dont use isp hardware, use my own
01:46 blaise I
01:46 progysm wait, there was something on the server...
01:47 progysm *someone
01:47 blaise I'm so not used to this keyboard... lol
01:49 Lone-Star they dont like that fact either. once they totally disable my modem and said it was burnt out and "HAD" to get another. so I got one of theirs. started to notice weird shit happening, so after a few months called tech support to try and activate "my" modem. guess what, my modem was fine and nothing wrong with it
01:50 stormchaser3000 when building minetest 0.5 on android am i supposed to use android ndk r11c? or am i supposed to use a newer one (i want to test building stu's c++11 fork)
01:51 Lone-Star told them what the other tech had said about mine being no good, and he apologized and looked up the name of the tech that screwed me and was reported to the higher ups, at least thats what the email that was sent to me said
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02:05 progysm wow, it works now....
02:05 progysm but not from the interior
02:08 Lone-Star i connected this time. i had typo first time, lol
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02:11 blaise lol
02:14 Lone-Star progysm: is this a home server?
02:15 progysm yes
02:15 Lone-Star where you located? seems to be pretty stable as far as lag
02:15 progysm I won't annouce it on the server list until I hack a lot of modules..
02:16 progysm montreal
02:16 Lone-Star nice
02:16 progysm I've got 3d_armor.. but don't have the module to put them on...
02:19 Lone-Star the dreambuilder modpack is nice, has just about everything ya need, i run that on my personal server
02:20 Lone-Star i just run that on lan, trying to get my kids away from minecraft, lol
02:21 blaise bless you sir
02:23 artimax Thats what got me into modding
02:23 artimax I wanted to provide an alternative for my brother and his friends
02:23 Lone-Star got a build bot set up to build the latest once a week, even done a few very simple mods. scripting is not a strong skill for me
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02:25 blaise I run a public server and just use the stable release
02:25 blaise mostly becuase if I use latest git clone stable release clients might not work
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02:26 Lone-Star i coded a simple fence mod to keep animals and players from jumping over, still doesnt fix the jump bug though
02:27 blaise hrmm
02:29 progysm oh that's unified_inventory...
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02:35 Lone-Star my only public released mod -- https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?​f=11&amp;t=18298&amp;hilit=extended_fence
02:35 Lone-Star the others i did are just for personal use
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03:38 jas_ so i go to test a thing, real quick, so i spawn a fresh world and i'm suddenly greeted with all this text, and a form to boot!  https://i.imgur.com/4DEX2HC.png  i must have stared at it here for a good minute before thinking, "i'll just hit one of the buttons and see what happens" -- fortunately, it worked and i was able to get into the game and test my mod.
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03:45 dogetest such security
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03:58 jas_ :O https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/​7s17yw/zandronum_jump_physics_are_wild/
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04:18 dogetest I've got my subgame running: dogetest.minecity.online
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04:26 blaise jas_: I prefer Phoenix Theory, myself...
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04:27 blaise jas_: could you imagine being confronted with that prompt after building on a server for 5 years?
04:29 jas_ what's Phoenix Theory?
04:30 dogetest which mod should I use for 3d armor?
04:31 blaise jas_: http://www.hoverbrothers.com/theory/
04:31 blaise dogetest: I use 3d_armor
04:31 blaise lmao
04:32 dogetest oh, I may have cloned the old one
04:34 blaise dogetest: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4654
04:34 dogetest yes
04:36 dogetest how to clone the specific .5.0 branch?
04:37 dogetest ha! got it
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04:43 blaise I wonder if anyone is going to play on my server... :{
04:43 blaise I mean, I enjoy building.. and I'm definitly content with enjoying my creations.. ]
04:44 blaise but I wonder if others think if I do good work?
04:44 blaise and if there is something I could do to make it better?
04:46 jas_ wtf?
04:46 blaise jas_: What seems to be the problem?
04:46 jas_ i clicked on your link
04:47 blaise oh, it's not my link.. I just think they might be on to something
04:47 jas_ i don't know what that is, and after ten or fifteen seconds on that page, i don't want to either.
04:48 blaise lmao
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04:48 jas_ why did you paste it?  what is it in reference to?
04:48 blaise it's quantum physics theory
04:48 jas_ i guess i don't understand why you shared it with me specifically
04:49 blaise becuase of the link that you shared before that
04:49 blaise lol
04:49 jas_ OHHHHHH
04:49 jas_ i get it now, because it said physics in it
04:49 blaise =)
04:49 jas_ pretty well unrelated, actually though -- one is a doom jump track
04:50 blaise I know, I was making a pretty dry joke..
04:50 jas_ a link to a submission to reddit, in fct
04:50 blaise I'm sorry
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04:50 blaise you were refrencing physics in a game
04:50 blaise I was refrencing actual physics..
04:50 jas_ : )
04:50 jas_ do me a wikipedia next time
04:50 blaise k..
04:51 jas_ !google Phoenix Theory
04:51 jas_ i thought that worked i guess not
04:51 jas_ there are as many quantum theories as there are quarks, i'd imagine
04:51 blaise I'm not sure the bot has the google script, that or we don't have the perms to use it
04:52 jas_ just yesterday krock was showing me binary stuff, and that confused me so i'm sorry
04:52 blaise nice
04:52 jas_ that page on top of the binary stuff (that you can represent so much, even sound, with 1 and 0) just overloaded me haha
04:52 jas_ apologies for my roughness, i've been in a super sour mood :)))))
04:53 blaise yeah, back in the early 90's when I started delving in to assembly I was having nightmares in binary code
04:53 blaise it was awful
04:54 jas_ wow
04:54 jas_ i had a cool dream one time i was bunny hopping off old village roofs in quake one
04:54 jas_ but felt the physics, the glide and the jump.  it wasn't a regular bunny hop, it was a dream bunny hop
04:54 blaise indeed
04:55 jas_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qSKAYgtAzo i had a dream once there was a field of cotton in minetest
04:55 jas_ it was pretty large, glistening in the in-game sun
04:55 blaise oh?
04:55 jas_ it whispered, "we're watching you"
04:55 jas_ hahahah
04:56 blaise jas_: would you care to make that dream a reality?
04:56 jas_ you want me to farm a cotton field on your server?
04:56 blaise only if that is something you care to do...
04:57 jas_ well i just recently converted the 50/50 wheat/cotton on dcbl to 100% cotton
04:57 jas_ so it's already all set, thanks, and i'm going outside now for a respiratory treatment
04:57 blaise ah, so it already is a reality...
04:57 jas_ idd :D
04:57 blaise cheers
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06:11 aidalgol Greetings, fellow blockheads!
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07:02 blaise damn
07:02 blaise I'm having a problem with advanced trains
07:18 blaise I guess I'll ask tomorrow when people are on
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07:35 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: [CSM] Don't Load the package library (#6944) d6050be https://git.io/vN2QC (2018-01-22T07:34:49Z)
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09:35 aidalgol Where is the minetest user config file/folder?  I'm surprised this isn't in the FAQ.
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11:27 MinetestBot [git] 20kdc -> minetest-mods/mesecons: Improve LuaController security (#393) 065e870 https://git.io/vNakD (2018-01-22T11:26:21Z)
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17:07 Megaf[m] Hi?
17:08 Raven262 Hi Megaf[m]
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17:58 swift110-phone_ Hey Raven262
18:01 Raven262 o/
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19:22 danSNDBX i am going to upload a new video now :)
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20:05 danSNDBX hej everyone, i just uploaded a new minetest video. Please check it out and leave a comment, thx for your time and feedback: https://youtu.be/4Bd37JN_-X8
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20:37 dogetest dogecoin (testnet) server (.5 version): dogetest.minecity.online
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21:35 progysm so how do you build a small duck ?
21:45 viaken new duck("Ping");
21:46 danSNDBX :D
21:46 t20kdc ...the duck's called Ping?
21:47 t20kdc Or...?
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21:47 danSNDBX you can give it a name via comment on YT :D
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21:54 progysm the duck has only one leg?
21:57 progysm and why are the wings not in the same material that the feathers?
22:05 dogetest https://imgur.com/2puuRpH
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22:11 danSNDBX <3
22:15 dogetest is master branch 0.5?
22:17 dogetest I'm linking sfan5's build server for windows users. Where should I send unix users?
22:19 Calinou dogetest: "compile the source, lol" :/
22:19 Calinou since there's no distribution-independent builds right now
22:19 dogetest so, master branch?
22:19 Calinou your best bet is https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/pipelines but the UI is terrible
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22:57 progysm unix  ?
23:00 adfeno Calinou dogetest progysm: I think GNU Guix provides distro independent package.
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23:07 Calinou in theory, but in practice it doesn't
23:07 Calinou a "distro-independent package" is something that can be used without installing anything
23:07 Calinou so, for example, an AppImage
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