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00:55 meff are irrlicht's edit boxes used for the boxes in the minetest menus?
01:00 onlyabyte so.. what do we think about discord? :P
01:00 onlyabyte oh and hiya!
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01:09 adfeno onlyabyte: XMPP is better at least for one-to-one talks ;)
01:10 adfeno (if each person has Jingle (voice/video) enabled)
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01:39 onlyabyte adfeno: agreed
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01:45 meff I've resisted discord
01:45 meff IRC and Mumble reskins seem to be all the rage
01:46 meff XMPP on the phone is a sure way to suck your battery to 0
01:49 onlyabyte when you say that: "reskins", it all makes sense. it is a shame that lot of communities and even programs are using Discord though - I guess we all must resist
01:51 adfeno meff: There is a good news:
01:52 adfeno Some XMPP service providers have a XMPP extension (XEP) that enables Push notifications, which consumes less battery.
01:53 adfeno I think this also became one of the recommended XEPs by the XMPP standards groups.
01:58 meff yeah I saw that XEP, but idk if XMPP is gonna have the momentum to go on with Matrix becoming a thing
01:58 * nepugia <-bridged agrees
01:58 meff onlyabyte: I know folks who work at Discord, and apparently their onboarding process is to throw new employees onto their codebase and they get fired if they take too long to understand it
01:58 meff some part of me is a bit anguished that a company that reskins IRC thinks of themselves so highly that they can do that
01:58 meff but
02:04 adfeno Matrix is agood solution but still relies solely on matrix.org
02:05 adfeno the lack of free/libre software to connect to it in usable state also worries me.
02:10 nepugia >Matrix is agood solution but still relies solely on matrix.org
02:10 nepugia how so?
02:11 nepugia if you meen for the specs... well yes, they made the specs...
02:12 adfeno nepugia: Sorry, indeed you're right, it doesn't relly only on matrix.org. I just got conformation in other channel, they have a federated standard. ;)
02:12 adfeno But the client issue remains ;)
02:12 nepugia matrix is federated per default, sure, a large number of users are on matrix.org currently
02:13 nepugia usable clients are subjective imo
02:13 nepugia i am using quaternion 99% of the time and it is working great for me
02:13 onlyabyte well discord is simply a slack rip-off, i mean just look at both of them
02:14 * nepugia didnt look at either of them
02:14 onlyabyte I hope for Riot to improve their UX and UI
02:15 onlyabyte It's fine for people who are technically inclined but for the newbie, it isn't a good first impression.
02:15 nepugia lol
02:16 onlyabyte And, I find it hilarious that people take open-source tools and software and turn it into their cluster of proprietary mess (aka Discord)
02:17 nepugia i really dont see a correlation between technically inclined people and riot
02:17 adfeno onlyabyte: You are with me here, this is why I help at #fsf and do community oriented GPL enforcement (visit #fsf to know what it is, otherwise it getss offtopic) ;)
02:17 nepugia some UI issues need to be adressed sure, still its clearly more targeted at newbies
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02:18 onlyabyte the FSF have their own channel here on freenode?
02:18 adfeno onlyabyte: Yep
02:18 onlyabyte Sweet
02:18 onlyabyte Is there like a channel to discuss privacy-related things?
02:19 adfeno Not staff-only, people from all-around go there, even non-members.
02:19 onlyabyte Oh nice, I'll be sure to check it out
02:19 adfeno I'm glad you like it ;)
02:24 onlyabyte adfeno: what distro do you use if you don't mind me asking.. :P
02:25 adfeno I use Trisquel 7, and also I contribute to GNU Guix (package manager) by using it weekly to install some packages I need to keep updated.
02:26 adfeno I use and contribute to Trisquel by the wayy ;)
02:26 onlyabyte niice :D
02:26 onlyabyte you got anything librebooted/corebooted?
02:26 adfeno Hehehe... not yet, it's my dream though.... :)
02:27 onlyabyte then hopefully you get one!
02:27 onlyabyte what do you have currently?
02:29 onlyabyte I'd want to get a librebooted device too but the X200 is pretty slow when it comes to bloated software of today.
02:34 adfeno I have this one: https://h-node.org/notebooks​/view/en/1600/VAIO-VPCEG17FB
02:36 onlyabyte pretty nice!
02:36 adfeno Yay! Been enduring my battles since 2011 ;)
02:36 onlyabyte I wish I could replace my wifi card. Its not a problem but it uses proprietary drivers.
02:37 onlyabyte Like the problem is not compatibility but rather the driver being proprietary ;))
02:38 adfeno Actually, my mother stays with it until 2013, with Windows and all non-free software. Then after that I turn into a free/libre software user, and in 2016 an activist. ;)
02:38 adfeno onlyabyte: Do you have a spare USB port?
02:38 onlyabyte Yeah
02:39 onlyabyte I could use a dongle but it's the silly BIOS whitelisting the cards
02:39 onlyabyte I was considering a corebooted X230 for a while and run me_cleaner on it
02:39 onlyabyte I have a ThinkPad X131e btw :)
02:40 adfeno Oh... *that* whitelist
02:40 onlyabyte yeah
02:40 onlyabyte you need to have a specific FRU
02:40 adfeno Digital Handcuff/Defective by Design... at its best :S
02:41 onlyabyte haha yeah
02:42 onlyabyte Might consider those System76 laptops but I'm not sure about the build quality on those.
02:42 onlyabyte Btw, I am greatful that this project (minetest) didn't go the proprietary chat route like LMMS did.
02:44 adfeno Oh... that one is disappointing indeed.
02:45 adfeno As my friend in contemporary economics says: keep the federation ;)
02:45 adfeno .. if you break it, all the end-users loose in some way.
02:46 onlyabyte Out of curiosity, what web browser do you use?
02:49 onlyabyte I feel that Firefox has got out of hand but it seems to be the only main-stream browser.
02:49 onlyabyte There is Pale Moon and of course Tor Browser too I suppose.
02:50 adfeno I'm a happy user of GNU IceCat, with either NoScript or GNU LibreJS enabled. Sometimes I also use EWW if I want to get more lightweight. ;)
02:50 adfeno EWW is another browser by the way.
02:51 onlyabyte Ah, I forgot about IceCat
02:51 onlyabyte I better check that one out
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02:53 nepugia @adfeno, have you tried any matrix clients yet btw? most arent ready yet for most users, but if you have a bit tecnical knowledge good enough for daily use (well, good enough for my daily use anyway :3)
02:54 shangul rubenwardy, may I pm you?
02:54 rubenwardy sure
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02:55 adfeno nepugia: I'm somewhat in the middle of non-tech and tech.
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02:56 adfeno nepugia: But the issues I described are far from usability.
02:58 adfeno At #fsf we just "finished" a discussion about it (in quotes because discussions are never finished between mates, there is always room for revisiting something)
02:58 nepugia i was reffering to
02:58 nepugia >the lack of free/libre software to connect to it in usable state also worries me.
02:58 nepugia maybe define usable state then, since i think there are several that are already very usable, may need some polishing some have som ui issues, but in generall severall exist that can used nicely already
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05:00 swift110-phone_ Hey guys
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05:17 nepugia hello there
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05:44 swift110-phone_ How are you nepugia
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08:47 MinetestBot [git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Revert "Add an active object step time budget #6721" fad263d https://git.io/vNZ5l (2018-01-13T07:47:39Z)
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09:17 dansndbx why is minetest dead on reddit?
09:37 lumberJ seems to be several current conversations, but maybe less so because it has its own forum? don't know
09:42 dansndbx could be, i was wondering cause the last "announcement" is 4 months old and there are not many comments at the last posted links. But it could have to do with the content ofc :D
09:44 lumberJ about 0.5?
09:45 lumberJ yeah, maybe. the minetest forums tend to be pretty active though
09:45 dansndbx yeah i checked them out yesterday
09:46 dansndbx its just this: every community has its own communication culture. i just need to fiure out the one fore minetest
09:46 lumberJ well, you more or less have. its mostly irc and the forums.
09:48 lumberJ this is the general discussion channel. most of the core developer/major mod discussions happen on #minetest-hub
09:54 dansndbx i see
09:54 dansndbx i cut my next video now :)
09:55 lumberJ dan11?
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10:14 frostsnow Hmm is it me or are my pine saplings failing to grow because the dirt under them is becoming dirt_with_snow?
10:17 pgimeno_ I'd guess pines can grow on dirt_with_snow
10:20 frostsnow It's been weird ever since 0.4.16, some just refuse to grow.
10:21 frostsnow Bluh, looking at minetest_game/mods/default/nodes.lua it isn't in the 'soil' group, which is what 'can_grow' checks.
10:21 pgimeno_ (I haven't tried myself, it's just a guess)
10:21 pgimeno_ uh
10:22 lumberJ you may be right, frostnow
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10:22 pgimeno_ so, you have snowy pine forests, but you can't make a sapling grow there...
10:22 lumberJ what version are you playing on?
10:23 frostsnow You *can*, but if the dirt changes to dirt_with_snow before the pine tree grows you're screwed.
10:23 frostsnow You have to dig the dirt and re-plant the sapling and hope the issue doesn't happen again.
10:23 frostsnow lumberJ: 0.4.16, as I said.
10:23 frostsnow I'll open a bug in GitHub
10:23 frostsnow I'm not seeing it in here oddly
10:24 frostsnow I find pine trees are the best for wood :)
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10:26 dansndbx depends on what you want to build, frotnow :)
10:27 lumberJ it looks like possibly they just forgot to add the soil group
10:27 lumberJ since it is in all the other "dirt_with" nodes
10:27 dansndbx but if it comes down to cost/result i think jungle is better (cause bigger tree)
10:29 frostsnow dansndbx: You might actually be right, though that few I've harvested (not in a jungly area) were fairly short... thoguh you don't need to worry about snow killing the sapling (which can be worked-around by harvesting all the way up)
10:29 frostsnow lumberJ: It makes sense that regular and jungle trees wouldn't grow on snowy dirt, though.
10:30 lumberJ true
10:30 dansndbx or at least grow "slower" depending on the ground?
10:31 CWz for some reason my server no longer shows up on the server list
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10:31 frostsnow I have a hard time imagining jungle trees growing on snowy soil at all  :P
10:31 pgimeno_ for better realism, each kind of sapling could depend on temperature
10:31 lumberJ are you sure your router's ports are opened, CWz?
10:32 CWz my server has been on for over a year and routers aren't an issue since it hosted
10:32 lumberJ i see. have you messed with your minetest.conf at all recently?
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10:33 CWz no
10:35 lumberJ hosted as in someone hosts it for you or you have it on a vps that you have full access to?
10:39 CWz I restarted the server which fixed the issue
10:40 lumberJ got you
10:45 dansndbx next video almost done :)
10:47 dansndbx Its up: https://youtu.be/IhNc33VlG7Y - I hope you like it! Please give me some feedback :)
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11:07 MinetestBot [git] srifqi -> minetest/minetest: Add confirmation on new player registration (#6849) 7927529 https://git.io/vNZx5 (2018-01-13T11:07:16Z)
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11:49 jluc Ohoh
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13:35 shangul Hello, anyway to get copy of a book?
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13:57 dansndbx My new video is online: https://youtu.be/IhNc33VlG7Y - if u like it please leave a comment :)!
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15:00 MinetestBot [git] Ezhh -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Add chat command params info 8349a3d https://git.io/vNnLR (2018-01-13T14:59:18Z)
15:24 jluc i dont comment on GAFAM sites but its nice
15:25 t20kdc "GAFAM"?
15:25 jluc Google Amazon Facebook Apple Microsoft
15:29 pgimeno_ is it possible to make a solid vertical mesecon connection?
15:32 pgimeno_ I am trying to connect to an advtrains rail switch from the level immediately below
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15:38 srifqi I think Mesecon has vertical mesecon which connects top and bottom.
15:41 pgimeno_ yes but it's not solid
15:41 pgimeno_ you fall through it
15:42 srifqi Then, no, I guess.
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15:48 shangul Did I lose anything about my question?
15:50 srifqi What book, shangul?
15:51 shangul any book
15:51 shangul in minetest
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15:57 t20kdc shangul: If you craft a blank book with a written book, the book is copied.
15:57 shangul t20kdc, aha, thanks
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16:13 ButcherTibi /msg NickServ SETPASS ButcherTibi mxleitdqyqko DEVELOPERmein_00
16:13 Calinou ButcherTibi: change your password!
16:16 red-001 yeah
16:18 red-001 Calinou, or login and out and choose a diffirent password this time
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16:26 dansndbx My new video is online: https://youtu.be/IhNc33VlG7Y - if u like it please leave a comment :)!
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18:26 Open_Future LIST #minetest
18:26 Open_Future how do I get reread a msg someone sent me
18:29 sfan5 unless your client saved it, you don't
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18:44 adfeno There is a way
18:44 dansndbx hi
18:44 adfeno Open_Future sfan5: make people send a message to MemoServ, like so: /msg MemoServ send Open_Future Test.
18:45 adfeno Open_Future sfan5: This requires Open_Future to be a registered username with NickServ.
18:46 adfeno (NickServ is also a bot from chat.freenode.net --- the providers of this server ---, it's official just like MemoServ is).
18:46 dansndbx I uploaded a new minetest video: https://youtu.be/IhNc33VlG7Y - if u like it please leave a comment :)!
18:46 dansndbx Doing the next one, soon
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19:06 nepugia @dansndbx your houses just keep getting smaller
19:15 red-001 Open_Future, if your client saves them just reopen the QUERY
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19:27 MinetestBot [git] Hawk777 -> minetest-mods/mesecons: Limit and optimize digiline_send (#379) 2b096f0 https://git.io/vNn0t (2018-01-13T19:27:00Z)
19:28 Hawk777 Wait what? That was WIP!
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19:41 numzero er?
19:41 numzero that is, I again did somethign wrong?
19:41 numzero I checked the code, it seemed correct
19:41 MinetestBot [git] Ezhh -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Improve bullet point indentation consistency 5435b07 https://git.io/vNnEO (2018-01-13T19:37:17Z)
19:41 MinetestBot [git] srifqi -> minetest/minetest: Registration confirmation dialog: Fix grammar 670f8af https://git.io/vNnE3 (2018-01-13T19:30:34Z)
19:41 numzero Hawk777
19:42 Hawk777 Oh, two things. First we had an outstanding conversation regarding whether to abort or clean (guess you were OK with cleaning), and second I didn’t realize you squashed, so I thought the messy history was included, but it wasn’t.
19:42 Hawk777 So it’s fine.
19:43 Hawk777 As long as you’re fine with cleaning instead of aborting.
19:43 numzero I’m fine with keeping cleaning for now
19:43 numzero because it was the way it worked before
19:44 Hawk777 Cool, thanks for the merge then!
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20:19 stormchaser3000 yes i have made minecraft videos
20:19 stormchaser3000 oops
20:19 stormchaser3000 wrong channel
20:20 t20kdc Hawk777, numzero: \o/ less explodable stuff, finally!
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21:00 Hawk777 It’s still explodable. Really that commit only fixed some easy stuff. Better though!
21:07 dansndbx I uploaded a minetest video: https://youtu.be/IhNc33VlG7Y - if u like it please leave a comment :)!
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21:10 stormchaser3000 is there a way that i can change the fog colour when at or under a certain y position
21:10 stormchaser3000 ?
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21:24 paramat well ..
21:25 paramat fog takes on the colour of the sky, and you can set a custom skybox
21:25 paramat not sure if you can only change fog without changing the skybox, possibly
21:26 paramat see the mods that alter the skybox
21:26 paramat there are a few that alter per-player it according to y position
21:27 paramat *alter it per-player
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21:38 paramat maybe setting a plain colour skybox with alpha set to transparent will alter fog colour, just a guess
21:40 rubenwardy no
21:41 rubenwardy well, I doubt it
21:41 rubenwardy fog is rendered on top of things to fade them out
21:41 rubenwardy so changing the skybox will cause things to go to the fog color then to the sky box
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21:46 paramat i doubt it too
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