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00:06 AntumDeluge I would recommend anyone & everyone to do it.
00:06 AntumDeluge I also just did a review for minetest.net.... positive of course ^^: https://www.mywot.com/en/scoreca​rd/minetest.net#comment-90581815
00:08 AntumDeluge If people are familiar with other sites similar to WOT that are used to determine website validity & trustworthiness, I hope they would use them too.
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00:09 AntumDeluge Just make sure you try to form your comments using personal experiences in a hopefully unbiased way. Otherwise, you may encourage the trolls. ;)
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00:56 AntumDeluge I recommend using the WOT browser plugin/extension too.
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02:24 Lone-Star what, did dude just take a db dump and create that other site?
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03:15 VanessaE Lone-Star: more or less, based on an old backup he had access to
03:15 VanessaE afaik he no longer has access to those backups.
03:16 VanessaE so any new posts would either have to be made directly on his rip-off site, or scraped from the official forum
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03:36 Lone-Star VanessaE: figured, as the most recent posts were from like  may or june.  This is just bad juju, had a co-admin of a forum do the same to us, things went badly on his part
03:37 VanessaE "Oh no! Bad ju-ju!"
03:37 VanessaE ;)
03:37 Lone-Star :D
03:38 VanessaE (one of the Ice Age movies)
03:38 Lone-Star yeah, that may be where i got it
03:39 Lone-Star darn kids and their movies, lol
03:40 VanessaE and now I have that ridiculous "repeat after me" scene stuck in my heae)
03:40 VanessaE head*
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05:18 sofar !mod idle
05:18 MinetestBot sofar: Extensible gridless craft system [simplecrafting_lib] by FaceDeer - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=17588
05:18 sofar !mod kick
05:18 MinetestBot sofar: Agree rules or kick V4 [agreerules] by UjEdwin - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12441
05:18 sofar !mod idle_kick
05:18 MinetestBot sofar: Could not find anything.
05:19 sofar !mod autokick
05:19 MinetestBot sofar: Could not find anything.
05:19 sofar !mod playeridle
05:19 MinetestBot sofar: Could not find anything.
05:19 sofar sigh
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11:54 deltasquared stupid question time, is there a function in the MT API which will take an arbitary position and round it correctly to the center coordinates of the node that MT would target in that case?
11:54 deltasquared for instance +-0.1,0.1,0.1 gets rounded to 0,0,0
11:55 deltasquared I've tried to implement this by hand before and caused a rather annoying bug as a result (namely, a traversal algorithm deciding to ignore y=0 nodes)
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12:00 crazyR deltasquared im sure one of the vector methods do it
12:02 deltasquared "rounded to nearest int" but that doesn't say... hmm.
12:02 deltasquared I mean part of it is the rounding issue, I guess.
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12:10 deltasquared aha, nope. vector.round and letting the engine round the coord produces different results if I stand on top of 1,0,1
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12:12 deltasquared correction, stood on top of 1,-1,1, such that my feet coords are 1,-0.5,1
12:13 deltasquared this strikes me as a rounding issue.
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12:16 deltasquared in fact, for any y=-0.5 position.
12:17 crazyR could you not run it throught a fumction to check for that result and then correct it
12:17 crazyR *function
12:18 deltasquared crazyR: I was actually just going to write my own center_pos() routine which would return the rounded node position as the engine would round it
12:18 deltasquared it seems vector.round and the game engine's rounding disagree on what -0.5 should round to
12:19 deltasquared the game engine says -1, whereas vector.round says zero.
12:19 deltasquared whereas +0.5 both round to 1, as expected
12:19 crazyR thats really odd..
12:19 deltasquared indeed
12:19 deltasquared and possibly implementation defined behaviour to boot. yay
12:20 crazyR might be worth reporting it on github
12:20 deltasquared hrm.
12:20 deltasquared crazyR: that said, it may be that vector.round is working as expected, but then we need a proper function to do the actual desired behaviour here
12:21 deltasquared even if it means the bug fix is "this is not guaranteed to round the same way as the engine does it" written in the docs.
12:22 deltasquared also not sure which part I report this to. probably the core engine
12:23 deltasquared that said... *checks where vector comes from*
12:24 deltasquared ... aha, it's from vector.lua in the builtin files. and it's not doing a directional round, it's doing math.floor(x+0.5)
12:24 deltasquared that would explain it. floor(0) = 0
12:24 deltasquared but evidently the engine does something else
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12:51 deltasquared crazyR: writing a bug report now.
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13:04 deltasquared there we go! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6774
13:04 deltasquared !title
13:04 MinetestBot deltasquared: game engine position rounding and vector.round disagree on resulting positions · Issue #6774 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
13:05 ThomasMonroe huh, interesting
13:06 ThomasMonroe thats probably not a bug, but an interesting consequence of vector maths :)
13:06 ThomasMonroe then again it might be a bug, who knows
13:07 deltasquared ThomasMonroe: even so, I think the "suprising behaviour" warrants some fix, even if it's "don't use that for this" in the docs
13:09 ThomasMonroe heh, true
13:09 deltasquared I'm going to go play with eating the dogfood I suggested in that report, see if it produces the expected behaviour.
13:09 crazyR yeah it may not be a bug. but the figures should work out the same even if they are not accurate..
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13:10 ThomasMonroe did you see issue #6773 deltasquared?
13:11 deltasquared ThomasMonroe: no, I did not. I did do a rudimentary search per the "check for existing issues" rule, though I may not have been paying attention to the main list :/
13:11 deltasquared ... oh, it's something else, nvm
13:12 ThomasMonroe lol
13:12 deltasquared hrm. I haven't played with the damage system much myself
13:12 ThomasMonroe ok
13:12 ThomasMonroe it does seem to be lacking a little bit, not much, but enough to be annoying sometimes
13:13 yusf Is there any method, hackish or not, to make entities emit light? (not glow)
13:15 ThomasMonroe not that ik of
13:19 deltasquared yusf: I had to implement a work-around for that. hold on, getting link
13:20 deltasquared https://github.com/thetaepsilon-g​amedev/minetest-mod-lightentity/
13:20 deltasquared !title
13:20 MinetestBot deltasquared: GitHub - thetaepsilon-gamedev/minetest-mod-lightentity: a minetest entity to provide a moveable light source
13:20 deltasquared it's still a hack, but it's wrapped up a bit more.
13:21 deltasquared among other things, the light entity can be set to kill itself when it's not attached to another entity.
13:21 deltasquared it should be pointed out that moving light sources puts non-neglible load on the server.
13:22 deltasquared I found that for most entities, an update interval of 0.3 seconds was acceptable in most cases without overly burdening the server.
13:23 deltasquared with an example use at https://github.com/thetaepsilon-gamedev/tor​chlight_modpack/tree/master/handheld_torch
13:26 yusf deltasquared: Wow, that seems quite helpful, thanks! I want to be able to drop "lit" torches into shafts and such.
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13:36 deltasquared yusf: I should point out that that's not one of the mods I consider 100% stable just yet... I haven't exported it's interface for other mods to use for starters. I'll have to get on that later.
13:47 yusf deltasquared: Noted
13:49 yusf My solution to handheld_torch is simply using https://github.com/krondor-game/wield_light
13:55 deltasquared yusf: interesting. that basically boils down to what I'm doing. though in my case I wasn't using a node timer, and had 14 nodes, one for each light level.
13:56 deltasquared and it was a bit more indirect too, using an entity, which could be attached to anything. I was testing the performance on a server by attaching one to a minecart.
13:56 deltasquared right, lunch time
14:09 jas_ alright i'm done spamming
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15:14 MarisaG Hi guys, I just realized that when I started offering Minetest hosting I forgot to advertise it LOL. So... I offer Minetest hosting that comes with a complete website & email server. And as a special the first month is FREE for you to tryt out my service. It's just $14/month after that. I also offer daily offsite backups for just a little bit more. You can get more info at https://MineCity.online or just dcc chat me here... Sorry to bothe
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15:15 MarisaG hi Raven262
15:15 Raven262 Hi MarisaG
15:16 MarisaG Nifce to meet you :)
15:16 lisac MarisaG: are you the owner of Minetest hosting site?
15:16 Raven262 Nice to meet you too, MarisaG.
15:16 MarisaG yes lisac
15:17 lisac I admire your idea, it's probably easier for new players to use a pre-set server instead of setting up their own
15:17 MarisaG yes, and it is on a dedicated server in a datacenter, not someones home pc
15:17 lisac any chance of you supporting toolranks? :)
15:18 MarisaG i dont know what those are :/
15:18 lisac https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&t=18056
15:18 Raven262 Its his fancy mod :P
15:18 Raven262 I don't mean to be rude, of course.
15:18 MarisaG i can see perhaps
15:18 lisac Xanadu by tenplus1 is already using the mod
15:20 MarisaG looks inmteresting
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15:23 deltasquared ooh, replies! that was faster than I expected. *reads*
15:23 lisac hey deltasquared
15:23 MarisaG hi deltasquared
15:23 * deltasquared waves
15:24 Raven262 o/
15:37 lisac MarisaG: I'm guessing MT is more like a job to you, and a lot less of a hobby
15:37 lisac I could be wrong, though
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15:53 MarisaG no, its a hobby i just like helping people out :)
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16:06 deltasquared hmm, that doesn't make any sense at all... if you were initialising an s16 from a float surely the compiler would reject that
16:07 * deltasquared is digging through engine source files
16:07 deltasquared ... ooooh, is that... no, wait. that's still a floating point divide.
16:09 deltasquared rargh.
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17:27 MarisaG wb whitephoenix
17:27 whitephoenix hi
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17:50 MarisaG hi Tux[Qyou]
17:50 Tux[Qyou] hi MarisaG
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18:16 MarisaG hi Lukc
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18:30 MinetestBot [git] numberZero -> minetest/minetest: Update light decoding table size (#6696) 2d9f0d3 https://git.io/vbzun (2017-12-12T18:29:55Z)
18:30 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Builtin: Fix handle_node_drops crash with nil digger b19241b https://git.io/vbzuc (2017-12-12T18:19:04Z)
18:34 Krock MarisaG, nice server offer. The 2 TB/month will be very hard to reach with a regular Minetest server. But what are these extensions and what CPU processor does it run on?
18:35 Krock That and maybe more could be interesting for those who would like to pay the plan
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18:38 MarisaG hi Krock
18:38 MarisaG Its a AMD64 CPU
18:38 Krock hello :)
18:38 Lukc Hi, MarisaG. _o/
18:38 Lukc Do we know each other?
18:39 MarisaG The extensions are jomsocial, jv-links, commercial Kunena template, etc
18:40 MarisaG And a variety of supporting extensions and plugins, for instance a community plugin to parse gravitar avatars, birthday notifiers, etc.
18:40 MarisaG I would say there is almost no way to come near the 2tb trasfers LOL
18:40 MarisaG I don't think so Lukc
18:41 Krock Nice. That's almost an entire social network per plan. Not bad!
18:41 MarisaG With my special of first month free you would get a good idea what my service is like :)
18:41 MarisaG Yes, thx :)
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19:01 MarisaG hi Megaf
19:01 Megaf Hi all
19:01 MarisaG nice to meet you
19:01 Megaf Nice to meet you too. Are you a new Minetest player?
19:02 MarisaG not that new, i picked it p around the start of the year
19:02 MarisaG i run https://MineCity.online
19:02 MarisaG a fansite for minetest
19:03 Megaf Oh, interesting
19:03 Megaf are you in the forums too?
19:03 MarisaG yep, my alias there is fstltna
19:03 Megaf Cool
19:04 MarisaG :)
19:04 Megaf I've been in Minetest for too long :P
19:04 rubenwardy when did you join, Megaf ?
19:04 MarisaG like me and opensim lol
19:04 Megaf rubenwardy: at least 5 years ago
19:04 rubenwardy cool
19:05 Megaf MarisaG: OpenSim!?
19:05 Megaf MarisaG: but you are not in the channel
19:05 Megaf nor at #OSGrid
19:05 MarisaG yes, i have been in opensim since like 2009 i think
19:05 Megaf me 2008
19:05 MarisaG cool
19:06 MarisaG i run https://OpensimCity.org
19:07 MarisaG and https://OpensimHosting.org
19:07 MarisaG and https://flying-high.club lol
19:07 MarisaG those are all opensim related sites
19:08 MarisaG i have several regions on the metro grid
19:08 rubenwardy nice
19:09 MarisaG :)
19:10 Megaf MarisaG: I was mostly at OSGrid, though I traveled to other grids from time to time. And have my own islands and grid too
19:10 Megaf Might come back to OSGrid next year now that I got a dedicated server
19:12 MarisaG cool
19:12 Megaf Though my priority now is getting my beloved server back
19:13 Megaf I just don't have space in my brain for that right now
19:14 MarisaG got ya
19:15 ensonic one day I want to build stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiAZ_mHrLiA in minetest-game, right now we're missing quite a few things though
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19:17 MarisaG hi AlexYst & ThomasMonroe
19:17 sofar ensonic: I don't suppose I can entice you to come do a build on insidethebox?
19:18 ThomasMonroe hi?
19:20 ThomasMonroe do i know you MarisaG?
19:23 Megaf Hey ThomasMonroe, hows things?
19:23 Megaf we are getting to know her right now :)
19:23 ThomasMonroe name saound familiar
19:23 ThomasMonroe sounds*
19:23 MarisaG I dont think so ThomasMonroe
19:23 ThomasMonroe things are going great Megaf, how about you?
19:24 MarisaG Maybe from opesim?
19:24 MarisaG opensim
19:24 ThomasMonroe never heard of it :P
19:24 MarisaG lol guess not then
19:25 Megaf ThomasMonroe: waiting for a reply from a place that might hire me
19:25 MarisaG best wishes Megaf
19:25 ThomasMonroe nice :)
19:26 MarisaG im disabled myself, leaves me lots of time for projects ;)
19:26 ThomasMonroe lol
19:26 Megaf Only thing disabled in me is my own brain
19:26 MarisaG i live in the san francisco area, where are you guys?
19:27 MarisaG lol Megaf
19:27 ThomasMonroe lol isnt that the case with almost everyone Megaf?
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19:27 ThomasMonroe wb whitephoenix
19:27 Megaf Don't know
19:27 MarisaG wb whitephoenix
19:27 whitephoenix hi
19:27 whitephoenix I really need to stop being lazy and set up a bouncer for freenode
19:27 Megaf I think most of us in the OpenSource community have some kind of disabling
19:27 rubenwardy whitephoenix, #elitebnc
19:27 rubenwardy free bouncer
19:28 Megaf Some more serious than others
19:28 whitephoenix alright I'll check it out
19:28 whitephoenix I don't trust myself to host my own
19:28 MarisaG i use znc ;)
19:28 Megaf ThomasMonroe: well, I've been praying for the chance of working there
19:28 MarisaG never mind then lol
19:28 * rubenwardy self-hosts
19:28 Megaf I want to help the company
19:29 whitephoenix I started setting up znc and couldn't figure out certs so
19:29 * MarisaG does too
19:29 rubenwardy means I keep my cloak
19:29 Megaf and need money as well, to do things like paying hte rent, lol
19:29 rubenwardy whitephoenix, letsencrypt if you also have a domain name
19:29 Megaf I host my own bounce too
19:29 Megaf I use Quassel tho
19:29 ThomasMonroe well I hope you get the job Megaf
19:29 rubenwardy otherwise self sign and accept invalid certs in your client
19:29 whitephoenix rubenwardy, yeah i've been working on setting up letsencrypt
19:29 whitephoenix but my server's on a funky platform so it's interesting
19:29 MarisaG letsencrypt is great
19:29 rubenwardy letsencrypt is so good
19:30 Megaf letsencrypt dont apply to my server
19:30 rubenwardy my whole sight is HSTS
19:30 rubenwardy *site
19:30 Megaf they dont know how to use on my server themselves
19:30 rubenwardy so I can never have it HTTP
19:30 ThomasMonroe wait whitephoenix you are on ##forthenerds too?
19:31 Krock they're everywgere
19:31 MarisaG You have any questions i should answer in this forum post: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=10&t=18999
19:31 MarisaG my hosting :)
19:31 whitephoenix ThomasMonroe, yeah
19:32 ThomasMonroe cool
19:32 AlexYst Hey MarisaG!
19:32 MarisaG yes?
19:33 ThomasMonroe hiya AlexYst, how goes the subgame?
19:35 AlexYst ThomasMonroe: I had to give up on that long ago. I don't have what it takes to build sound effects just yet.
19:35 AlexYst The purpose of the subgame was all-new material, so if I borrowed anything from Minetest Game, it sort of invalidated the point.
19:36 AlexYst Coursework has been a monster lately as well. I haven't even had time to work on mods for Minetest Game that I know exactly how I want to function.
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19:41 MarisaG hi TMcSquared
19:43 Megaf I'm in withdraw
19:43 Megaf chocolate withdraw
19:43 Megaf the struggle is real
19:44 TMcSquared lol its me, ThomasMonroe
19:44 TMcSquared I lagged out for a bit
19:49 MarisaG hey got one signup :)
19:49 MarisaG pay by check though
19:50 whitephoenix I was pretty surprised to see someone made a youtube video on the dumbest mod I've ever made the other day
19:51 Krock whitephoenix, what mod? Gonna review that one too
19:51 whitephoenix https://youtu.be/4lchZSttjWA
19:51 MarisaG ill post that at minecity
19:51 whitephoenix actually I'm not even sure it works right now, I've been out of the game for a while
19:51 Megaf whitephoenix: that mod is brilliant!
19:52 Megaf I must totally add that to my server
19:52 Krock but why is the "I'd like to interject for a moment" not there?
19:53 whitephoenix I could definitely add that
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19:53 Krock do it. please.
19:53 whitephoenix also it can probably be done better with player data now, no idea how that works yet though
19:54 Krock whitephoenix, inb4 there's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOp_j88IK3M
19:54 whitephoenix oh no way
19:54 whitephoenix he's using my other mod I never finished
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20:02 YuGiOhJCJ MarisaG, hi
20:07 whitephoenix I could add a GPLv3 book to the mod too
20:11 whitephoenix So after the update I shouldn't be using a table to store values for every player who joins anymore right?
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20:32 jluc lol the dumbest mod made a brilland vdo
20:34 jluc i can imagine william burrough reading the text
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20:40 Megaf Oo
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21:20 ensonic sofar, did not know about the insidethebox servers. I'll probably spend more time on the texture-packs and mods and let my kids do the building, rarely get time myself to play :/
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21:20 sofar ensonic: insidethebox is a great place for more adult players... come visit and play, I'm sure you'll appreciate it
21:21 sofar it's also a great place to visit just for a little bit once in a while and solve one or two boxes, then come back later
21:22 sofar you don't have to build... you can't anyway on your first visit, most likely
21:22 rubenwardy it's like the opposite server to CTF
21:22 rubenwardy more adult players
21:22 sofar hehe
21:22 rubenwardy but then again no player
21:22 rubenwardy :D
21:22 sofar we've got this kid now
21:22 sofar lol
21:22 sofar asking for hints all day long
21:26 ensonic sofar, sounds cool, will try it
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