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04:52 jas_ posted 6 hours ago: https://soundcloud.com/user_18081972/tm-eur-r <-- afx's alt
04:53 jas_ weird that acct has no followers/following maybe it's not.  dunno why it was even in my feed
04:55 jas_ oh the nick before was https://www.reddit.com/r/aphextwin/comme​nts/3oewt8/spreadsheet_for_user18081971/ but it does change. *confused but grabs timemachine anyway.*
05:01 jas_ meh /me goes back to safety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aloryfd5ipw
05:01 jas_ !title
05:01 MinetestBot jas_: AFX - Analord (2005) [Full Series] - YouTube
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10:39 Atomic3c3d hey, can somebody tell me what exactly minetest.org is? (not minetest.net)
10:39 Fuchs Atomic3c3d: a website I highly recommend you do not visit
10:40 loganrun what is the correct way to initilize a variable in a .lua module. do I just put myvar=nil on the first line?
10:40 Fuchs Atomic3c3d: it's a former minetest related person who holds a grudge against some of the devs (and various other people) and uses that website to spread accusations agains them. Also reads logs, extracts IPs and tries to get real information of people so he can pester them in real life as well
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10:41 loganrun that sounds bad
10:42 Atomic3c3d I see. Well, that's what I thought.
10:42 loganrun what was his gripe about
10:43 Atomic3c3d I mean, yesterday I accidentally visited that site and almost instantly got pm on minetest.net forums with something about child pornography
10:43 Atomic3c3d So I was kinda worried, maybe somebody hacked official website, etc
10:44 Fuchs Atomic3c3d: that sounds very much like him, yes
10:44 Fuchs hence: do not visit that page
10:46 loganrun that is an example of a good case for why surfing the web anonymously should be a viable option for people
10:49 loganrun unfortunately as far as I know it is not
10:50 Atomic3c3d Well, there is a site, called browserleaks.com
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10:50 Atomic3c3d Unfortunately, it's impossible to implement full protection against fingerprinting technologies presented there
10:51 Atomic3c3d Even with tor browser, tons of addons that blocks various firefox apis, etc
11:06 AntumDeluge Wow! That is a serious grudge.
11:07 AntumDeluge Maybe we should all put in a review/rating at WOT: https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/minetest.org
11:08 loganrun yeah, I mean they would still have your IP address etc
11:08 loganrun no browser leak protection can solve that
11:09 loganrun wonder why the dude go so pissed off
11:10 Taose IP addresses are easy enough with a VPN :)
11:10 AntumDeluge I remember reading some kind of conversation that sounded a lot like this. I'm guessing that it was the same person. But I forgot the link.
11:10 loganrun well it will still have the IP of the VPN server
11:11 Taose Fine by me XD
11:11 loganrun perhaps that is good enough but it is not anonymity
11:12 Taose Anonymous enough
11:12 Atomic3c3d Well it's not like he can do much with your ip
11:12 loganrun if you have access to a 3rd party server and you are satisfied with that
11:13 loganrun it is ultimately traceability, geographic location etc.
11:13 loganrun but that guy maybe not, but a bigger fish perhaps
11:13 Atomic3c3d If he's so consistent about breaking laws and would do some kind of attack directly, most likely your router dont have any port forwards and doesnt respond to anything from wan
11:14 Atomic3c3d and, again, most likely you have dynamic ip which changes with every new session
11:14 loganrun most providers don't change ip very often anymore is my understanding
11:14 Atomic3c3d and, ip is not very geographically correct - mine, for example, points to a NAT of my provider in another city
11:15 loganrun Atomic3c3d: so for example he could probably find you on irc by searching for your IP
11:15 Atomic3c3d No that's not possible
11:15 loganrun irc shows your ip
11:16 loganrun try whois on yourself
11:16 Atomic3c3d I know, it's just still not enough to identify anything
11:16 AntumDeluge Jeez, what a lame life he must have if his only purpose is to harrass Minetest devs.
11:16 AntumDeluge whois AntumDeluge
11:16 AntumDeluge oop
11:17 AntumDeluge oops, lol
11:17 Atomic3c3d My name is different on every device, right now I'm from a mobile network behind a nat and every time I loose my connection my ip changes
11:18 Raven262 whois Raven262
11:18 Raven262 well
11:18 Raven262 seems it needs a /
11:19 loganrun Atomic3c3d: well, the nat behind the modbile network won't help since it is still the network node ip that is visible, but I suspect mobile conections change IP periodically
11:21 Atomic3c3d yeah, I wish I could use tor on permanent basis but with all these corrupted nodes and ssl stripping
11:22 loganrun the issue I have with tor is that it is obvious that you are connecting to the tor network
11:22 loganrun so you are automatically targeted by state players
11:23 loganrun it is almost like saying please watch what I am doing
11:23 loganrun not that I do anything that i care that anyone watches,but it just seems odd
11:24 Raven262 Why? Your ISP can track anything you do on the internet.
11:24 loganrun huh
11:26 loganrun just saying that the Internet is not set up for people to be anonymous and there ar e a few instances where that could be helpful
11:26 Atomic3c3d the internet changed fast
11:27 Atomic3c3d In 2007, I couldnt even imagine that there would be worldwide Orwell's 1984-like condition
11:29 Atomic3c3d I live in Russia, and since 2013 we had crazy amount of anti-constitutional laws, targeted to eliminate any privacy
11:30 Atomic3c3d like, all services are forced to give encryption keys, provide full physical access, isps have to store unecrypted traffic for 6 months, amount of blacklisted sites is overwhelming, everything in russian social networks is being monitored, etc
11:31 Atomic3c3d vpns and anonymizing services are prohibited
11:33 Atomic3c3d and that's just the tip of iceberg, we have phone number authorization in messengers, now they want to force gamedevs to add phone auth
11:33 Atomic3c3d etc etc
11:33 Atomic3c3d in one sentence: a circus
11:33 Atomic3c3d anyway enough, it doesnt look like a minetest conversation
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11:48 Taose Your ISP can't track anything if you're on a VPN. All they can see is that you're connecting to the VPN server. That's it.
11:50 AntumDeluge That guy is a sicko obsessed with tormenting Vanessa it sounds like.
11:50 Atomic3c3d and they are banning vpn providers
11:50 Taose Have you considered...moving?
11:51 Atomic3c3d of course
11:51 Atomic3c3d Sadly, I don't have enough money
11:51 Atomic3c3d rub to $ course is really low now, for example, my month salary is around 350$ if converted to $
11:52 Taose Yah
11:52 Atomic3c3d its normal money in rub, but in $, obviously, its not mucb
11:52 Taose but Mongolia is not an expensive place
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12:28 yusf Can an entity be made to emit light?
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13:05 Surfer2010 hi
13:05 Taose Hi ^-^
13:07 Surfer2010 sry i missed IhrFussel about the Chat-log Mod which does not work on my server
13:07 Surfer2010 and the other question is, can i use a single player world and copy it to a Multiplayer Server?
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13:08 Surfer2010 and can i ask new People logging in or every time one logs in, he/she has to answer questions and depending on the answer (or a passw) he/she will be teleported to some different place and this will be automatic the new home point?
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13:22 kilbith_ I'll be in London on the 24th-27th Jan. at the Bett Show 2018 for presenting a commercial fork of Minetest. Anyone who wish to come?
13:23 Taose >.>
13:23 Taose that defeats the point of Minetest
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13:24 Taose and I'm afraid I can't support a project which pretty much tries to make a profit on everything the developers for Minetest have given away pretty much freely for so long.
13:27 kilbith_ then you're against the philosophy of open-source
13:28 red-001 what's your fork?
13:29 kilbith_ Kidscode
13:31 Taose I'm a huge fan of: Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International not so much Attribution 4.0 International
13:32 Taose Now if you want to take your experiences from contributing to such a project and create entirely your own material, then that's fine by me. I don't think sponging off other peoples work is in the spirit of open source imo.
13:34 red-001 and I'm a fan of MIT Expat
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13:37 Taose See my issue is that I believe a coder should be paid for their work if its used commercially. Unless they've been paid and are donating re-use of their work to the public good. Don't get me wrong, but I don't think celeron55 has been paid at all...
13:38 Taose That's where I'd support MIT Expat for example with Ruby-on-Rails
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13:38 Taose Those staff members got paid
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14:45 loganrun If I have a function in a module that gets called every time a certain type of block is clicked on, what happens if multiple players are clicking on the blocks, is it run sequentially or handled some other way
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14:50 sfan5 loganrun: in whichever order the server happens to process these
14:51 sfan5 (certainly now multi-threaded however)
14:51 sfan5 not*
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14:51 loganrun well can the function be execution at the same time on two different threads?
14:51 sfan5 no
14:52 Fixer kinda sucks
14:52 loganrun o.k. then it occurs sequentially basically then
14:53 loganrun ?
14:53 jas_ good luck kilbith
14:54 sfan5 loganrun: yes
14:54 loganrun if I to do something to a block in say 10 seconds how do I queue this up since I can't pause the function for 10 seconds without stopping everything
14:55 sfan5 minetest.after
14:56 jas_ !mod warps
14:56 MinetestBot jas_: Warps [warps] (portal&#124;warp&#124;teleport) by sofar - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12005
14:56 jas_ this one handles timing using minetest.after for example.  there's also minetest.register_globalstep, but i'm not sure about it
14:56 loganrun sfan5: thanks
14:59 loganrun is minetest.get_content_id("default:cloud") the correct identity of cloud blocks. it seems like this kind of block I can't go through but real clouds I can
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15:00 sfan5 the cloud blocks are unrelated to the clouds you see ingame
15:01 loganrun do they have a content id ?
15:01 sfan5 nope
15:01 loganrun so that I can generate them
15:01 sfan5 they don't exist in the world as blocks
15:01 sfan5 also purely client-side
15:01 loganrun ahh ok
15:02 sfan5 if you absolutely want you could emulate the effect of clouds with nodes and then place those
15:02 loganrun wanted something that would not block a player from walking through it
15:02 sy sfan5: are clouds the same on all clients?
15:02 sfan5 no idea
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15:05 Peppy Hi, I have trouble with moretrees mod, is this the right place to ask for help ?
15:05 sfan5 somewhat
15:06 Peppy works with 0.4.16 installed from PPA on latest  Xubuntu, but won't work with 0.4.16 installed from backport on latest Debian
15:06 sfan5 sounds like debian broke something
15:07 Peppy mod loads fine anyway
15:08 Peppy mapgen wouldn't generate trees but works if planting seed from creative inventory
15:12 Peppy one more thing : minetest-server form Debian but minetest --server from Xubuntu
15:17 Surfer2010 anyone using the Chat-Log Mod? it's not working on my Server, it is not creating a file at all
15:17 Surfer2010 can i use a single player world and copy it to a Multiplayer Server?
15:18 Surfer2010 and can i ask new People logging in or every time one logs in, he/she has to answer questions and depending on the answer (or a passw) he/she will be teleported to some different place and this will be automatic the new home point?
15:19 Surfer2010 sfan5: allready answered me my last question is possible but has to be put into a mod/programmed
15:19 Taose Does the application have the necessary permissions to create said file?
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15:20 Surfer2010 mh good q. :) i'll check
15:21 Taose It's probably not what's wrong, but it's permissions that always screw me up
15:22 Surfer2010 drwxr-xr-x  2 pi pi 4096 Dec  9 09:44 chatlog    and server is run by the user pi so it should be fine
15:23 Taose now... what happens if you do drwxy-wxr-x?
15:23 Taose oops
15:23 Taose drwxr-wxr-x
15:24 Taose Isn't that one to many reads?
15:24 Taose I am very much guilty of chmod 777...
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15:30 Surfer2010 no not changing anything
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16:00 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default texture licenses: Move some to CC BY-SA 3.0. Remove WTFPL 21b3c84 https://git.io/vb0Fd (2017-12-11T15:58:32Z)
16:00 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Book textures: Replace with more original textures 0c84177 https://git.io/vb0FF (2017-12-11T15:58:32Z)
16:00 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Stairs: Improve inner/outer stair descriptions. Code cleanup 0132bfe https://git.io/vb0FN (2017-12-11T15:58:25Z)
16:01 loganrun I am calling minetest.after(3, self.myfunky,99), and function myfunky(index) has index==nil when it is called
16:01 loganrun does anyone know why
16:01 rubenwardy is that the actual code?
16:02 jas_ it's not connected to self? (*knows nothing about `self'*)
16:02 loganrun should I change self to the actual module name?
16:02 Taose Looks like it's wrapped up into a...
16:03 jas_ try it without self.
16:03 jas_ i dunno what that even is, *mind blown* or that setmeta command i see sometimes.  whoa, i should print out that PIL book
16:05 jas_ setmetatable
16:05 loganrun Undeclared global variable "myfunk" accessed
16:05 loganrun I defined function as myModule:myfunk(index)
16:06 jas_ oh yeah that happened to me a lot, i had to make it a global :'( and still dunno why.  but i see in that warps mod, sofar calls a local function with it
16:10 loganrun jas: so how do I get the parameter passed in, also tried  minetest.after(3, self.myfunky(99),99)
16:10 jas_ i always did it in a function
16:11 jas_ minetest.after(time, function() do stuff here ... ; ; ;; ; end)
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16:11 jas_ but i recently learned about this: minetest.after(dur, method, args1, args2, args3) thing which is sweet
16:11 jas_ or function, or whatever it's called
16:11 jas_ i dunno about things that have the colon, like self:do_stuff() :O
16:11 loganrun yeah that is what I am trying to do, but it doesn't work
16:12 Taose ... okay, can you guys stop talking in Eldritch runes pls.
16:12 jas_ i see.  well try making it a global variable like i did haha, yeah i got nothing
16:12 loganrun not sure what the colon does either
16:12 loganrun just saw it as example
16:13 loganrun in the examples they embedded the function code, so maybe that is the only way it works
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16:19 loganrun if I do  minetest.after(3, self.myfunky,99,98) seems like it gets the value 98, no clue what happens to the 99
16:20 jas_ that's the second arg to function(arg1, arg2)
16:20 jas_ minetest.after(3, funky, 99, 98) => funky(99, 98) after 3 seconds.
16:20 jas_ i dunno what self is.
16:21 loganrun yeah but funky only takes 1 argument
16:21 jas_ i dunno, got a paste of it?
16:22 Taose Self is the object that minetest.after() is being run inside of
16:22 jas_ no kidding
16:22 jas_ wait, do you mean ObjectRef?  or object like the method or function itself ? in lua
16:22 Taose Do we need to know what the object itself is?
16:23 Taose When I talk about objects I usually mean class.
16:23 jas_ oh ok cool
16:23 jas_ thx
16:23 Taose As for lua
16:24 * Taose grabs a can of petroleum
16:24 * jas_ raises an eyebrow
16:24 * Taose isn't a fan
16:24 jas_ oh i like it, you do c++?
16:24 Taose used to, got side tracked by life >.>
16:25 jas_ i would love to learn it for minetest, but not a clue and like you said... life.  lua and minetest modding has been fun though.
16:25 jas_ i'm using a bindable mouse button pr but it has bugs and i haven't even looked at it ha
16:26 jas_ the author said they'd look into generic key presses or something, which sounds great
16:26 jas_ personally, i'd like to see more stuff in player_controls.  like aux1
16:27 jas_ would love to say, in a mod, make this action "aux1" or "name2" or whatever, and allow playing to bind a key to it, and make it do thus and so
16:27 jas_ in quake, for example, you could do "alias t echo 1; echo 2" and then "bind <key> vstr t" or something
16:27 jas_ (it's been a while)
16:28 jas_ and zoom was an alias like that, that adjusted fov
16:28 jas_ now zoom is hardcoded in minetest to the binoculars item, 45 degrees
16:29 jas_ ugh
16:29 jas_ i mean, 15... i do 45.
16:29 jas_ but if a CSM mod or some minetest feature allowed client to adjust FOV in game without restart, it wouldn't matter
16:29 loganrun jas_: just changed it to an embedded function that called my function, that seems to work. it is something with the period operator I think
16:29 jas_ ah
16:30 jas_ self.funky instead of self:funky?
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16:35 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: CSM fixes: load mods after flavours & add flavour to block mod loadin… 308bb69 https://git.io/vb0hc (2017-12-11T16:33:44Z)
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18:55 crazyR can anyone explain how "minetest.get_mod_storage"  reads data... does it read/write everytime a StorageRef methid is used. or does it cache data in a tabled where possible?
18:56 crazyR *method
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19:06 swift110 hey crazyR
19:11 Krock m_mod_storage_save_timer = g_settings->getFloat("server_map_save_interval");
19:11 Krock ^ crazyR, that's the interval when it saves
19:11 Krock of course, save only occurs when there have changes been made
19:12 Krock the stuff is stored in an unordered map - so kinda a lua table with C function call delays
19:13 crazyR thats sounds good. just wanted to make sure that freequent calls wouldnt make a drastic performance diffrence
19:14 crazyR hi swift110
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19:52 crazyR on mapgen v7 what the right settings to stop caverns reaching the surface? does anyone know? i still want to keep caverns and caves but i want them to stay under ground
20:00 crazyR @paramat
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22:03 Cross_over hi all,
22:03 Cross_over maybe someone ca help me with an issue im having with some stairs...3
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23:40 AntumDeluge Posted a review of minetest.org on WOT: https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/minetest.org :)
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23:55 sofar I can definitely encourage others to do this too if you feel like it.
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