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00:00 VanessaE and as for the browser, remember:
00:00 VanessaE modern browsers do one process per tab
00:00 VanessaE so a hundred tabs = 100 processes, all distributed evenly among your 1-2-4-6-8-5436534 cores
00:01 Inocudom Good point. About Eiiot_ceo, he has a YouTube channel that is right here: https://www.youtube.com/chan​nel/UCo7OXVIPQ6XeiRb813Oq2xw
00:01 VanessaE you don't HAVE to have multi-threading in your app to take advantage of a multi-core machine, but of course it IS preferable, when it's useful
00:01 VanessaE no videos.
00:04 Inocudom I know of no other place to share this individual's channel, as that is where he does most of his explanations. The forums? Not a chance, not ever since people decided it would be a good idea to butcher them.
00:05 VanessaE I meant I ain't watching any videos right now :P
00:05 VanessaE (I don't care for videos anyway most of the time.  I'm a text-and-pictures sort of person)
00:06 Inocudom Then you like books, I would imagine.
00:06 VanessaE nope
00:06 VanessaE technical articles
00:07 VanessaE you don't need a video to advocate for multithreaded programming
00:10 Inocudom Well, in all honesty, YouTube can be a pretty crummy site. Cutting off funding for sensitive topics and people uploading pure garbage there.
00:10 VanessaE if your "sensitive topic" needs "funding", youtube is the wrong place to go :P
00:13 Inocudom Yep. FaceLikeTheSun is finding that out the hard way. Maybe Vidme would be more suitable for him.
00:13 tiwake there is no properly suitable alternative at the moment, other than hosting such things yourself
00:13 tiwake which a lot of people do
00:15 Inocudom Won't be long before they will have to do so permanently, either.
00:16 tiwake hosting yourself has issues too, like denial of service...
00:17 Inocudom Yes, DDOS attacks aren't fun. Even Valve knows that one thanks to infamous Steam hackings.
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01:39 Inocudom How many of you know about this great mod that came out some time ago? https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&t=17134
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02:46 Inocudom Bye.
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05:07 IhrFussel Does "on_step" for entities only run WITHIN the active block range or am I missing something?
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06:11 EDAKIRI maybe rubenwardy was thinking of 'cooperative multithreading' instead of 'time slicing'.  In cooperative multithreading, multiple application threads run in a single OS thread and voluntarily yield the processor. Linux has such a mode for itself.
06:14 EDAKIRI or was otherwise confused.  -- such as multiprocess vs. multithreading.
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07:34 IhrFussel Mobs Redo API question: I define a local var in a lua file and then I increment that var in the same file inside mobs:register_mob() on_step callback ... but it doesn't seem to increment..?
07:36 Elench If one has a recipe that uses, for instance, group:wool, could one have one that's the same but uses red_wool and will overide the more general one?
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07:51 srifqi Elench, never thought about that. ._.
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08:02 Elench I guess I'll try it, and I also guess it depends how recipes are searched
08:05 Elench I further guess that I should not fall down mine shafts
08:05 Elench Ouchie
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08:55 sfan5 IhrFussel: obviously, only entities in the active block range are actually active
08:58 IhrFussel sfan5, so if a player tp to a pos there is NO way to tell the entity to follow?
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08:59 IhrFussel Or to let the entity know "my owner is gone I will tp to them"
09:00 sfan5 there's no way to do that, correct
09:00 sfan5 other than... maybe forceloading the current block of the entity?
09:06 IhrFussel sfan5, how do I use it? the pos needs to be entity pos x/16, y/16, z/16?
09:06 sfan5 dunno read the docs
09:09 IhrFussel It only mentions pos so I'm assuming I can just paste the pos var
09:22 IhrFussel sfan5, or is there a way to get an object property in inside register_globalstep() ? That way I could just store the object pos and check in global step if the player is nearby
09:28 IhrFussel I guess you can't since entities have no unique IDs...although they do seem to have one on the c++ side
09:48 red-002 sfan5, could you try and build non-RUN_IN_PLACE windows builds?
09:49 sfan5 the code is not configured to do that
09:49 red-002 it seemed to work when krock tried it on MSVC
09:50 red-002 minetest seems to include code to get the location of %appdata%
09:51 red-002 https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/src/porting.cpp#L355
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09:58 EDAKIRI AntumDeluge: With how you did your fork of Jumping, it does not show as a fork on GitHub. Some people won't find it.
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12:06 EDAKIRI In compiled Dev HEAD , modules in the share directory are unused. They only function under game or the user directory.
12:07 EDAKIRI Does someone understand why?  MineTest reports not finding then finding the share directory.
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14:39 MinetestBot BBmine: May-25 15:37 UTC <DS-minetest> date for minetest 0.4.16 : june 4
14:39 BBmine Thanks bot :)
14:41 DS-minetest good MinetestBot, fine MinetestBot
14:41 ThomasMonroe hi DS
14:42 DS-minetest hi ThomasMonroe
14:42 BBmine :D
14:43 BBmine DS, how was that done?
14:43 Krock (!tell <nick> <msg>)
14:43 BBmine oh ok :D
14:45 BBmine !tell Krock thanks! :D
14:45 MinetestBot BBmine: yeah, yeah
14:45 BBmine ??
14:45 Krock .
14:45 MinetestBot Krock: May-27 14:45 UTC <BBmine> thanks! :D
14:45 BBmine Oh.
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14:49 red-arch !tell red-001 hello
14:49 MinetestBot red-arch: I'll pass that on when red-001 is around
14:49 red-arch !tell red-arch test
14:49 MinetestBot You can tell that to yourself
14:49 red-arch oh
14:50 DS-minetest ~tell DS-minetest hm
14:50 ShadowBot DS-minetest: O.K.
14:51 red-arch !tell DS-minetest hm
14:51 MinetestBot red-arch: yeah, sure, whatever
14:51 red-arch !tell DS-minetest hm
14:51 MinetestBot red-arch: I'll pass that on when DS-minetest is around
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14:59 EDAKIRI FreeNode has MemoServ
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15:02 DS-minetest hey MinetestBot
15:02 MinetestBot Hi DS-minetest!
15:02 MinetestBot DS-minetest: May-27 14:51 UTC <red-arch> hm
15:02 MinetestBot DS-minetest: May-27 14:51 UTC <red-arch> hm
15:03 srifqi !rainbow NyanCat
15:03 MinetestBot 4Ny7an8Ca3t
15:03 srifqi So, NyanCat is removed from Minetest?
15:04 kaeza yep
15:04 kaeza it's an external mod now
15:05 EDAKIRI !rainbow PB&J Pup
15:05 MinetestBot 4PB7&J8 P3up
15:05 DS-minetest !rainbow eat the dog
15:05 MinetestBot 4ea7t 8th3e do6g
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15:08 srifqi Also PB&J Pup is removed too?
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15:12 Jordach yeep
15:15 srifqi :(
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15:16 red-001 yeah it got moved to a seperate mode
15:16 MinetestBot red-001: May-27 14:49 UTC <red-arch> hello
15:16 red-001 mod*
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15:34 Leoneof hi
15:35 Leoneof why i'm here?
15:36 srifqi because you joined?
15:37 Leoneof not sure
15:37 Leoneof been asking same question many years ago
15:38 srifqi what question?
15:39 Leoneof why i'm here?
15:39 srifqi lol
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15:59 kaeza 42?
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16:37 AlexYst The PB&J Pup was cool. I'm not sure why it was removed. At least it served its most important functiona already though, and that was ousting that stupid, proprietary Nyan Cat.
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16:37 AlexYst s/functiona/function/
16:37 Krock AlexYst, it was *moved*. You can still get the mod manually from https://github.com/minetest-mods/pbj_pup
16:38 AlexYst Krock: It's still been removed from the subgame, regardless if it can be added via external mod. The Nyan Cat also exists still as an external mod, no?
16:39 Krock well, we're actually not authorized to use the nyan cat idea in Minetest
16:39 Krock it was added years ago and nobody cared about this
16:40 AlexYst Right, and the fact that we even need permission is why I'm glad it was removed.
16:40 * AlexYst shouts "CC BY and CC BY-SA forever!!"
16:43 Krock CC0 or WTFPL, it's all ok
16:44 red-001 MIT
16:44 AlexYst Those ones are all pretty sweet too.
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16:58 Grandolf what happened to #minetest-project??
16:58 red-001 got removed
16:58 Grandolf y?
16:58 red-001 after you-know-who was k-lined since he was the only person that was still using it
16:59 EDAKIRI People using ModPacks with Git submodules are experiencing the same problem i did before i abandoned the approach.
16:59 EDAKIRI The dependencies' history gets rewritten and your reference becomes invalid.
17:00 EDAKIRI Wuzzy's help even has this problem presently.
17:00 Grandolf so?
17:00 EDAKIRI help/doc
17:00 EDAKIRI So, checking tem out is impossible.
17:00 EDAKIRI them
17:00 Grandolf that channel wasnt in the way of anything
17:00 red-001 it was kinda confusing for it to have a not moving/shutting down for it's topic when it was a dead channel
17:00 red-001 Grandolf, just cleaning up dead channels
17:01 red-001 not the first time a minetest channel was abandoned
17:01 Grandolf u got rid of it bc it was oldcoders
17:02 red-001 see #minetest-mods and #minetest-delta
17:02 red-001 not as if it matters for him
17:03 red-001 after all I doubt he will get un-k-lined in the forseeable future
17:03 Grandolf * Cannot join #minetest-delta (Channel is invite only)
17:03 Grandolf * Cannot join #minetest-mods (Channel is invite only)
17:04 kaeza those channels redirect here
17:04 VanessaE Grandolf: there's also the "secondary" issue of OC claiming his version if MT and that channel, are "official"
17:04 red-001 accusing someone of being a pedo supporter doesn't give them a great opion of you
17:04 VanessaE ^
17:06 VanessaE guess c55 figured it was better to redirect people here to avoid confusion.
17:06 VanessaE (nearly all of us would agree with that)
17:06 red-001 look I doubt a lot of people will be still willing to trust OC with that channel when if he makes amendments
17:06 red-001 even if
17:06 red-001 not when if
17:06 VanessaE s/amendments/amends/
17:07 red-001 well both I suppose
17:07 red-001 but yeah I meant that one
17:08 VanessaE ok
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17:18 minetestproject RoaryTiger passant lordfingle DI3HARD139 troller proller Megaf Jordach RobbieF XtremeHacker ircSparky octacian calculon ssieb Amaz rubenwardy Fixer Maddie-Myina Krock lumidify cx384 Calinou behalebabo est31 nanovad Lunatrius srifqi and anyone else who use to go to #minetest-project can join ##minetest-project
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17:18 behalebabo oh hey, I was one of the lucky few
17:18 Krock "lucky"
17:19 Grandolf lol
17:19 red-001 and get redirected to #minetest
17:19 VanessaE do NOT follow him, whoever he is
17:19 red-001 well I pinged an freenode staffer
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17:20 red-001 hello
17:21 VanessaE greetings, Fuchs
17:21 Grandolf hi
17:22 sfan5 i've seen this ip before
17:22 VanessaE that's halt_
17:22 sfan5 Mai 25 17:36:13 *       Grandolf (~haltthera@cpe-66-24-4-234.stny.res.rr.com) ist beigetreten.
17:22 sfan5 fucking faggot
17:22 sfan5 !kick Grandolf
17:22 Grandolf was kicked by MinetestBot: Grandolf
17:23 VanessaE now now, sfan5.  he may be one of OC's minions, but he's still allowed to be gay if that's his thing.  :)
17:24 sfan5 !ban *!*@2604:6000:d842:8600:*
17:24 sfan5 yeah that word is not ideal as an insult, sorry
17:24 VanessaE jk :)
17:24 Fuchs and there I already wanted to send you a privmsg
17:24 Fuchs please don't use that slur this way on freenode indeed, thanks
17:24 VanessaE wait who'se ipv6 is that?
17:24 VanessaE whose*
17:24 sfan5 grandolf
17:24 red-001 VanessaE, halts
17:24 VanessaE oh ok
17:26 VanessaE (I keep thinking of a comic strip, can't remember what it was, where a character kept thinking "mini onion" in place of minion)
17:26 red-001 "waves of disposable mini onions"
17:26 VanessaE heh
17:26 red-001 brings a tear to the eye
17:28 sfan5 !ban *!*@cpe-66-24-4-234.stny.res.rr.com
17:28 muhdnurhidayat this comic? http://www.userfriendly.org/cart​oons/archives/02jul/uf004429.gif
17:28 VanessaE that's the one!
17:28 VanessaE (how did I forget about UF?)
17:29 sfan5 huh i've never heard of those cartoons
17:29 VanessaE oh yeah, UF is one of the goldies.
17:30 VanessaE (well, it was until Illiad took that vacation due to a major family illness, but I never saw another new cartoon after that)
17:31 VanessaE (cancer I think it was.  really devastated the guy)
17:33 red-001 they might also need to be banned in -dev
17:33 EDAKIRI Note to MineTest-Mods team: rewriting Git history breaks submodule dependencies.
17:33 red-001 they also tried to spam there
17:34 VanessaE note to all git users:  git submodules are evil.
17:34 sfan5 they just joined so who knows
17:34 EDAKIRI A Current example broken: https://github.com/minetest-mods/castle.git
17:35 red-001 sfan5, kiwirc is muted
17:35 EDAKIRI I've learned the lesson myself and am altering my modpack to use a tab separated file and script.
17:35 EDAKIRI to get subparts.
17:36 EDAKIRI Maybe submodules would be practical if every repo published tags, which were used to reference the submodules. -- as long as the tags persist.
17:36 EDAKIRI Alternative is to maintain full clone of submodules.
17:36 sfan5 lots of mods are just rolling release though
17:36 EDAKIRI (yourself)
17:37 EDAKIRI correct. it's not practical for all mods to rely on their versions.
17:37 EDAKIRI in their own repo.  AntumDeluge, i see, keeps clones of all he needs. You can do it that way.
17:40 muhdnurhidayat Btw, actually I'm here for 3 things before I get to sleep for tomorrow's pre-dawn meal. I'll read IRC logs for reply after I wake up.
17:40 muhdnurhidayat 1. I've just read about ongoing issues on Android support for Minetest, I hope it will not get discontinued because I prefer official app than bloated with ads app or unofficial paid app, plus some server even have rules to "not use unofficial app".
17:40 muhdnurhidayat 2. Now, I've created a new topic in "Just 1 inch off from topic. Maximum" thread from the new Offtopic section, and I hope my topic is really just 1 inch off, is it? xD https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=56&amp;t=17730
17:40 muhdnurhidayat 3. Will my request on Malay subforum be considered? I did request it in "Discussion in other languages". Is it only be considered after Minetest translation in Malay gets to 100% or when Malay translations officially shipped with Minetest? The translation is currently on 90% (and I'm trying to get it done by the end of this month).
17:43 VanessaE for 1, it won't likely be discontinued, but devs need help.  2. seems okay.  3. I guess no one here speaks Malay but if it's just translations, check on weblate
17:43 VanessaE translations can go in during feature freeze
17:43 VanessaE release is in less than two weeks though
17:43 VanessaE so you need to get those translations in asap
17:43 VanessaE poke the devs or open an issue
17:50 muhdnurhidayat No.3 - It's about the "Discussion in other languages" subforum for Malay... xD so the subforum request will only be considered if Minetest shipped with Malay? It's at 90% now on Weblate and I will be able to finish it tomorrow.
17:51 VanessaE OH
17:51 VanessaE right now I understand
17:52 VanessaE I think it's more a matter of how badly it's needed on the forum
17:52 VanessaE doesn't really matter how well-supported it is in MT
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17:53 paramat eek :] just seeing if anyone was there
17:53 VanessaE of course
17:54 VanessaE <sinister look> we're ALL here.
17:54 paramat hehe
17:54 VanessaE chat with us. </sinister look>
17:55 paramat (btw apparently halt and grandolf share a computer)
17:55 paramat fools
17:55 * AlexYst claims to be absent, but isn't
17:56 VanessaE Calinou:  "Craft dirt, with grass, to get Dirt With Grass"  <-- this is moreblocks right? but it only works with jungle grass
17:57 VanessaE sucks to be them, paramat.
17:57 AlexYst Sharing is caring.
17:57 VanessaE (you ARE your brother's keeper.)
17:58 AlexYst I think the dirt with grass recipe is older than the new grass. Maybe it should be updated.
17:58 VanessaE yeah
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17:59 Calinou VanessaE: I think, not sure
17:59 VanessaE Fuchs:  tripped over the cord again?  https://xkcd.com/908/
17:59 VanessaE Calinou: ok.  see above :)
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18:00 muhdnurhidayat oh, it's more to how badly it's needed ... I'll try to ask other players who use Malay if they want and need subforum then I'll recheck the subforum request... for now, I'm going to sleep. (I'll read IRC logs btw) :)
18:00 Calinou can we get a Minetest translation to l33t?
18:00 Calinou Lichess has that :(
18:00 VanessaE muhdnurhidayat: I pinged as appropriate in the forum staff channel
18:01 VanessaE well l33t should be easily done with CSM ;)
18:02 muhdnurhidayat oh, ok, thank you very much...
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19:27 exio4 hai
19:33 Krock hi exio4
19:34 exio4 VanessaE: yeah, I have been connected, but as I haven't played minetest much / been at uni, ..., I haven't really talked here >:P
19:34 exio4 hey Krock, what's up?
19:34 Krock good question. nothing much actually
19:37 exio4 heh
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19:45 DS-minetest > <paramat> (btw apparently halt and grandolf share a computer))
19:45 DS-minetest or they just share an ip with 2 cumputers
19:45 DS-minetest i think
19:46 red-001 DS-minetest, doesn't explain the same ident
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20:01 exio4 there's client-side mods now?!
20:01 exio4 what did I miss
20:02 DS-minetest there's a new settings object
20:02 DS-minetest i think, that's the biggest change
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20:05 Krock oh, you weren't here for so long?
20:07 Krock the fastest way to see all changes might be the changelog: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
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20:11 exio4 Krock: about two-three releases at least
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20:36 Ighalli can anyone point me to an example of, or docs relevant to, placing a door using lua?
20:36 Ighalli When I use set_node, I get just the half of the door and it doesn't have proper interactions anyway.
20:38 red-001 Ighalli, are you using an old version of minetest?
20:39 Ighalli I have 0.4.15
20:41 Ighalli code looks something like this: minetest.set_node({x=ix, y=iy, z=iz}, {name="doors:door_steel_b_1"})
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20:43 red-001 huh I'm not sure if thats before or after the door rewrite
20:43 red-001 hi lounge-user80
20:44 Ighalli It's the current version on the site.  I'm not building it from source, though
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21:06 Ighalli red-arch, can you point me to this door rewrite?  I don't see any PRs that mention doors in particular
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22:51 bigfoot547 Hi!
22:57 bigfoot547 Whoever wrote the Changelog for 0.4.16: Fix node damage cheat. They are now calculated server side. Hacked clients cannot ignore node damages anymore (fire, lava, cactus...).
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22:57 bigfoot547 Cacti don't deal damage yet. right?
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23:01 AntumDeluge Last I checked, it was impossible to have sub-modpack modpacks (like 'mods/modpack-level1/modpack-level2/mod'). I've felt like, though not necessary, an option like this would help me a little with organizing my mods/modpacks.
23:01 AntumDeluge Not sure if it's a good idea though.
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23:02 bigfoot547 Right?
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23:05 rubenwardy AntumDeluge, it's only the configuration menu that doesn't support nested mod packs
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23:07 AntumDeluge Oh really? I'll try it again then. It was a long time ago. Not sure why it didn't (or I thought it didn't) work for me then.
23:11 AntumDeluge Thank you rubenwardy. No idea why I didn't think it worked. :)
23:12 AntumDeluge I mean, I have an idea... something obviously happened before (probably something that I erred in) that caused me to think that.
23:16 Fixer bigfoot547: right, i've already asked nerzhul about that, that was error
23:16 Fixer cactus does not deal damage, but it is planned for future
23:17 bigfoot547 Ah. Thanks Fixer
23:17 bigfoot547 Ah. Thanks Fixer.
23:17 bigfoot547 Oh, sorry, didn't mean to spam
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23:53 AntumDeluge Has Rui's 'creeper' mod (http://wiki.minetest.net/Mods/Creeper) been discontinued?
23:54 AntumDeluge The forum thread displays "You are not authorised to read this forum." when I try to access it. (https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=11891)
23:54 bigfoot547 AntumDeluge: Yes, it is dis-cont'd.
23:55 bigfoot547 Trademark + IP rights.
23:55 AntumDeluge And the GitHub repo & profile for Rui914 has been deleted: https://github.com/Rui914/creeper
23:55 AntumDeluge Oh, okay.
23:55 AntumDeluge What about the other mods labeled "creeper"?
23:55 AntumDeluge Can't Rui's creeper just be relabeled?
23:56 bigfoot547 No idea. Maybe they aren't aware of impending doooooooom!!
23:56 AntumDeluge Lol. okay.
23:56 kaeza it could, but he(?) basically nuked everything from orbit
23:56 AntumDeluge Ya, I think there is one called "Minetest Mobs", or something like that.
23:57 AntumDeluge "mobs_mc" is the one I was thinking of: https://github.com/maikerumine/mobs_mc
23:57 AntumDeluge Really nice mod, but runs slow on my server.
23:58 bigfoot547 Yeah, luaentity code had a nervous breakdown...
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23:58 AntumDeluge lol. Does that mean it's not only my server that suffers with that mod?
23:59 bigfoot547 Everyones does. What do you meen "suffering"?
23:59 bigfoot547 mean*

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