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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Sneak: Fix stair lower step bug and ladder in 1x1 hole bugs b85301c https://git.io/vSODA (2017-03-28T23:51:13Z) |
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thePalindrome |
Alright, could somebody explain how minetest handles userdata? |
| 00:40 |
thePalindrome |
I'm getting userdata from InvRef:get_list() and I have no clue how to process it |
| 00:40 |
thePalindrome |
The only documentation I can find on it says "like a lua table but" |
| 00:46 |
thePalindrome |
er... nvm, it's decided to work now |
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kaeza |
thePalindrome, "userdata" is a Lua datatype. what you can do with it depends on the metamethods. in your case, those are ItemStack objects |
| 01:11 |
thePalindrome |
Yeah, the problem was I was trying to run minetest.log on it, which you can't do because of userdata :P |
| 01:13 |
kaeza |
objects used by Minetest could use __tostring metamethods |
| 01:14 |
kaeza |
at least to report which type they actually represent |
| 01:28 |
silent_elk |
I'm playing an older version of Ravenfield. |
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silent_elk |
Were the tanks supercharged or something? |
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MrIbby |
Anyone here capable of fixing these redirects/deleting these files? |
| 04:22 |
MrIbby |
http://wiki.minetest.net/File:MTG_Brown_Mushroom.png |
| 04:22 |
MrIbby |
http://wiki.minetest.net/File:MTG_Red_Mushroom.png |
| 04:27 |
MrIbby |
(The files without the MTG prefix are the newer ones) |
| 04:31 |
silent_elk |
How does table.copy work? |
| 04:31 |
silent_elk |
oh wait |
| 04:31 |
silent_elk |
Silly me |
| 04:45 |
silent_elk |
Why do clients sometimes just show grey when connecting? |
| 04:46 |
silent_elk |
Ohhh wait my server crashed |
| 04:46 |
silent_elk |
nvm |
| 04:47 |
silent_elk |
Yep, having a second client connect crashes the server |
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* silent_elk |
sighs |
| 04:47 |
silent_elk |
Back to the drawing board |
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epoch |
is there a way I could make minetest use a different dir than ~/.minetest without recompiling? |
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epoch |
JT2 is back up. |
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Milan[m] |
epoch, you could symlink the folder.. |
| 06:41 |
epoch |
good point. |
| 06:42 |
esp |
^ what I do |
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esp |
Sym .minetest to minetest :) |
| 07:09 |
silent_elk |
I'm having trouble with a server crashing. |
| 07:09 |
silent_elk |
No error messages are saved in debug.txt |
| 07:09 |
silent_elk |
or shown in the console |
| 07:09 |
epoch |
awwww crap. |
| 07:09 |
silent_elk |
It's not a public server, but it doesn't bode well for my mod, does it? |
| 07:10 |
epoch |
I locked myself in my mine shaft. |
| 07:11 |
silent_elk |
Why? |
| 07:11 |
epoch |
I was building a stair on my way out and didn't check overhead clearance. |
| 07:11 |
silent_elk |
lol |
| 07:11 |
epoch |
I guess I could die, spawn at the top of the mine where I put my bed then go collect my bones. :P |
| 07:13 |
epoch |
I could join as a different user and dig that block out. |
| 07:14 |
epoch |
I have a bucket of water I could drown myself with. XD |
| 07:14 |
* silent_elk |
slowly claps |
| 07:14 |
Taose |
Why can't you just remove the block? |
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* epoch |
races against hunger to bottom of mine to kill self. |
| 07:14 |
Taose |
and seriously... |
| 07:15 |
epoch |
I used up all my picks. >_> |
| 07:15 |
Taose |
a bucket of water |
| 07:15 |
Taose |
-_- |
| 07:15 |
epoch |
I didn't think I'd need them on my way out. |
| 07:15 |
silent_elk |
https://github.com/wilkgr76/eggwars/blob/master/init.lua#L191 |
| 07:15 |
Taose |
but you thought you'd need a bucket of water |
| 07:15 |
silent_elk |
Gotta be sillly lol |
| 07:15 |
epoch |
oh, even quicker. a cavern to jump to the bottom of. :D |
| 07:15 |
silent_elk |
lol |
| 07:15 |
silent_elk |
Good luck getting your bones back |
| 07:16 |
epoch |
it is a private mine. I don't ever see anyone out here. :) |
| 07:16 |
Taose |
"I'm going into a mine...hmm, what should I pack, an extra pick axe or a bucket of water..." |
| 07:16 |
silent_elk |
Water, defo |
| 07:17 |
Taose |
XD |
| 07:17 |
epoch |
I got that bucket of water 5 minutes after starting the game but it won't let me place it until -250 |
| 07:17 |
Taose |
O.o? |
| 07:17 |
epoch |
I want to use that bucket darnit. |
| 07:17 |
silent_elk |
XD |
| 07:18 |
epoch |
gah. it let me put it but it isn't flowing. |
| 07:18 |
silent_elk |
What server you playing on? |
| 07:18 |
epoch |
just test 2 |
| 07:20 |
silent_elk |
lol |
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* epoch |
brings along 99 sticks this time. |
| 07:24 |
silent_elk |
lol |
| 07:24 |
silent_elk |
Good idea |
| 07:24 |
silent_elk |
or even better |
| 07:24 |
silent_elk |
just take a couple of saplings along |
| 07:24 |
silent_elk |
You can use torches for light |
| 07:24 |
silent_elk |
and you'll probably find dirt |
| 07:25 |
epoch |
I think this map is just stone and ores. |
| 07:25 |
silent_elk |
oh :( |
| 07:25 |
silent_elk |
grab some dirt then too |
| 07:26 |
epoch |
growing underground seems like a good idea though. |
| 07:26 |
epoch |
wouldn't have to go back up to get supplies. |
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silent_elk |
:P |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Sneak: Fix sneaking on free-floating lower-half slabs 5e80669 https://git.io/vS33Y (2017-03-29T08:19:49Z) |
| 08:23 |
silent_elk |
Yay! |
| 08:24 |
shivajiva |
awesome sfan5 :) |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Lemon Chiffon Cake Day! 😃 🎂 |
| 08:47 |
silent_elk |
G'morning |
| 08:50 |
PureTryOut[m] |
so for some reason I just can't change the hand item (yes the commit that adds that possibility is in my build). `player:get_inventory():set_stack("hand", 1, "default:sand")` as example doesn't do it |
| 08:51 |
PureTryOut[m] |
(literally no change to the hand at all) |
| 08:55 |
silent_elk |
Do nodes work or do you need to use a tool? |
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PureTryOut[m] |
no clue. I tried replacing the hand with the regular creative hand first, but that didn't do anything either |
| 08:58 |
PureTryOut[m] |
but as the hand is now just a regular inventory, I'd guess a regular node/item works as well |
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PureTryOut[m] |
hmm it actually returns false... `player:get_inventory():set_stack("hand", 1 "default:sand")`. what the hell? |
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| 09:23 |
shangul |
i just wanted to create minetest page on wikipedia |
| 09:23 |
shangul |
page was created and deleted several times |
| 09:24 |
shangul |
where i can see the deleted page? |
| 09:25 |
shangul |
"Keep - Looks like the poor deletionists/Minecraft fanboys are getting angry." |
| 09:25 |
shangul |
"I find it suprising that they have 75 people on their main IRC channel alone" |
| 09:25 |
shangul |
now it's 150 |
| 09:29 |
shangul |
7 times was deleted, that page |
| 09:30 |
shangul |
and the last time was 7 Jan 2015 |
| 09:31 |
shangul |
it is said that it had about 2000-3000 members on forum, now it has 10000, maybe recreating the page?after 2 years? |
| 09:38 |
shangul |
"This page is protected from creation, so only administrators can create it." |
| 09:49 |
OldCoder |
shangul, Hi |
| 09:49 |
shangul |
hi OldCoder |
| 09:49 |
OldCoder |
If I recall correctly, there is a vendetta against MT at WP |
| 09:49 |
OldCoder |
celeron55 would remember |
| 09:49 |
OldCoder |
WP has its own wiki |
| 09:50 |
OldCoder |
OOps |
| 09:50 |
OldCoder |
I mean |
| 09:50 |
OldCoder |
MT has its own wiki |
| 09:50 |
OldCoder |
You are most welcome to edit that |
| 09:50 |
OldCoder |
Several people in #minetest-project or -dev |
| 09:50 |
OldCoder |
Should be able to tell you how to access it; I forget |
| 09:50 |
shangul |
minetest |
| 09:51 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 09:51 |
OldCoder |
I mean, ask in those channels |
| 09:51 |
OldCoder |
but wait a minute |
| 09:51 |
OldCoder |
http://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page\ |
| 09:51 |
OldCoder |
Oops |
| 09:51 |
OldCoder |
http://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page |
| 09:51 |
OldCoder |
shangul, ^ |
| 09:52 |
shangul |
minecraft and a lot of other software and also games have their own wikis, but this does not mean that they should not have a page on wikipedia |
| 09:52 |
shangul |
i saw that OldCoder, but i don't know how to edit it |
| 09:52 |
OldCoder |
Right |
| 09:52 |
OldCoder |
Hold on |
| 09:52 |
OldCoder |
Come to #minetest-project please |
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| 10:15 |
celeron55 |
shangul: it was deleted because on wikipedia they decided that there are not enough important news articles about minetest |
| 10:15 |
celeron55 |
which frankly is only because we don't do public relations stuff and not even press releases |
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| 10:16 |
shangul |
what do you mean by "press releases"? |
| 10:17 |
celeron55 |
well, those things that companies usually spam to journalists to get those lazy bastards make news about them |
| 10:18 |
OldCoder |
Print |
| 10:18 |
OldCoder |
shangul, he is referring to either major corporate sites or print articles |
| 10:18 |
OldCoder |
Which is awkward for WP in an age when print is dying |
| 10:18 |
shangul |
i think i got that |
| 10:19 |
OldCoder |
If you mean, you figured out the answer by yourself, that is fine. We answer questions regardless. |
| 10:19 |
celeron55 |
there probably are enough articles about minetest these days to get on wikipedia, but the deletionists don't seem to understand that concept |
| 10:19 |
shangul |
you should to have an article about minetest in a printed magazine |
| 10:20 |
shangul |
you should have* |
| 10:20 |
celeron55 |
they just look up that it was deleted and decide that should be the case forever |
| 10:20 |
OldCoder |
celeron55, has anybody opened an issue there in the past couple of years |
| 10:20 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 10:20 |
celeron55 |
shangul: no, not printed, but something big apparently |
| 10:20 |
OldCoder |
I could ask Wales, but he actually hates me :D |
| 10:20 |
celeron55 |
mainstream media i guess |
| 10:21 |
shangul |
celeron55, FCM? |
| 10:21 |
celeron55 |
they don't make their requirements very clear |
| 10:21 |
OldCoder |
It is ad hoc, celeron55 |
| 10:21 |
OldCoder |
Friends of Wales... their stuff goes in |
| 10:21 |
celeron55 |
also they hate it when the people who write an article about a project are the ones involved in the project |
| 10:21 |
celeron55 |
also they *are* minecraft fanboys |
| 10:22 |
shangul |
celeron55, how about FCM?is it big enough? |
| 10:22 |
celeron55 |
or at least scared about microsoft |
| 10:22 |
shangul |
heh |
| 10:22 |
celeron55 |
i don't know what FCM is |
| 10:22 |
shangul |
Full Circle Magazine |
| 10:23 |
celeron55 |
well, do wales' friends read it? |
| 10:23 |
shangul |
i don't read and follow it anyway |
| 10:23 |
shangul |
celeron55, who are wales' friends? :D |
| 10:23 |
celeron55 |
lol, i don't know |
| 10:24 |
shangul |
it has a page on WP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Circle_%28magazine%29 |
| 10:27 |
rubenwardy |
you need to go through articles for creation |
| 10:28 |
shangul |
lemme see how many followers they have on social media |
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shangul |
6400 on G+, 4800 on twitter, |
| 10:31 |
shangul |
and 5000 likes on facebook, is it big enough? |
| 10:31 |
celeron55 |
well how many does CNN have? |
| 10:32 |
shangul |
CNN? |
| 10:32 |
celeron55 |
:D |
| 10:32 |
shangul |
the television channel? |
| 10:32 |
silent_elk |
15m |
| 10:32 |
silent_elk |
likes on Facebook |
| 10:32 |
silent_elk |
15k* |
| 10:33 |
silent_elk |
And also 15k followers on Twitter |
| 10:33 |
celeron55 |
eh, it has 33M follower on twitter |
| 10:33 |
celeron55 |
+s |
| 10:33 |
shangul |
the tv channel? |
| 10:34 |
celeron55 |
yes, i'm just trying to figure out what wikipedia would consider important enough |
| 10:36 |
celeron55 |
if you can find something like 5 independent news articles from the past year, you might be able to convince them |
| 10:36 |
celeron55 |
articles with 1000+ readers or something |
| 10:37 |
shangul |
i think FCM is big enough, isn't it?those 4800 followers on twitter don't read it? |
| 10:38 |
shangul |
oh, we need 5 of these? |
| 10:39 |
shangul |
anyway thanks for spending time to answer me |
| 10:42 |
epoch |
is there a trick I could do to not get hurt after falling a couple hundred blocks? |
| 10:42 |
epoch |
:> |
| 10:42 |
shangul |
epoch, fly, teleport, fall in water |
| 10:43 |
shangul |
when mobs will be added to offical release of minetest? |
| 10:45 |
OldCoder |
shangul, in my _game |
| 10:45 |
shangul |
OldCoder, your sub game you meant? |
| 10:45 |
OldCoder |
My minetest_game release |
| 10:45 |
OldCoder |
In my builds |
| 10:45 |
OldCoder |
It will come with the package |
| 10:46 |
OldCoder |
Actually, it already might |
| 10:46 |
OldCoder |
I forget; I'll need to check |
| 10:46 |
shangul |
OldCoder, that will be a part of offical release? |
| 10:47 |
OldCoder |
My official release |
| 10:47 |
shangul |
OldCoder, where i can see your minetest_game?that repo on github? |
| 10:47 |
OldCoder |
I will make one for you |
| 10:47 |
OldCoder |
If you ask next week |
| 10:47 |
OldCoder |
Pretty tired right now |
| 10:47 |
shangul |
why make? |
| 10:48 |
OldCoder |
I do not understand the question |
| 10:48 |
OldCoder |
I will cut a new release |
| 10:48 |
OldCoder |
Is that better? |
| 10:48 |
shangul |
ah i get you now |
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| 11:05 |
Markow |
My new workstation after dumping LXDE / LXQt, MBR, & Grub2: openSUSE Linux w/: OpenBox3, Tint2, ROX-Filer2, Syslinux Bootloader, GPT Partition. Light, Fast, & Efficient! http://i.imgur.com/PGitsGb.jpg |
| 11:05 |
Markow |
;) |
| 11:05 |
shangul |
OldCoder, do you have a github/gitlab/launchpad account? |
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shangul |
Markow, what you wanna do with this workstation? |
| 11:07 |
Markow |
Hack Clinton ;) |
| 11:08 |
shangul |
huh? |
| 11:08 |
shangul |
what is that? |
| 11:09 |
OldCoder |
shangul, Yes |
| 11:09 |
OldCoder |
No MT repos that I recall; possibly one for a past PR |
| 11:09 |
shangul |
OldCoder, aw |
| 11:09 |
OldCoder |
I'm putting most files on minetest.org |
| 11:10 |
OldCoder |
Watch for releases there |
| 11:10 |
OldCoder |
Also git repos |
| 11:10 |
OldCoder |
Redoing everything |
| 11:10 |
shangul |
OldCoder, you want to release your minetest game next week?can i have the current release? |
| 11:10 |
OldCoder |
shangul, I will make you a nice _game next week |
| 11:10 |
OldCoder |
I could do it now |
| 11:10 |
OldCoder |
But shangul I have just spent a full week on MT and am swamped IRL |
| 11:11 |
shangul |
OldCoder, make "me"? |
| 11:11 |
OldCoder |
Must catch up |
| 11:11 |
OldCoder |
I do not understand the question |
| 11:11 |
shangul |
OldCoder, there is a different minetest than what i think? |
| 11:12 |
shangul |
hmm |
| 11:12 |
shangul |
there is OldCoder's minetest, is it a fork of minetest or what? |
| 11:12 |
OldCoder |
shangul, we are in an unusual period |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
Mine is as official as any to the extent it is a snapshot |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
shangul, MT is a git stream |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
Snapshots may be taken at any point |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
Excuse me, I am fixing a bug right now |
| 11:14 |
shangul |
OldCoder, ok, sorry |
| 11:14 |
OldCoder |
No need for sorry! |
| 11:14 |
OldCoder |
The ones who say sorry, you know, are never the ones who ought to :-) |
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| 11:18 |
epoch |
>_> |
| 11:18 |
epoch |
somehow I fell a couple hundred block and didn't die. |
| 11:19 |
OldCoder |
epoch, fall damage is random |
| 11:19 |
OldCoder |
In fact, children jump from a space station in LOTT... |
| 11:19 |
OldCoder |
Fall 20,000 nodes |
| 11:19 |
OldCoder |
and walk away |
| 11:19 |
OldCoder |
Need to fix it so they make a crater |
| 11:19 |
OldCoder |
and explode properly |
| 11:19 |
epoch |
:) |
| 11:22 |
epoch |
I dug all the way down to lava. |
| 11:22 |
epoch |
hole going straight down. |
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riff-IRC |
uhhhhhhhhh |
| 11:26 |
PureTryOut[m] |
so the "hand" item not changing what I was talking about only seems to happen on my laptop... wtf |
| 11:26 |
PureTryOut[m] |
on desktop it works fine |
| 11:30 |
epoch |
hrm... I think I sneak glitched my self to a stop. |
| 11:30 |
epoch |
fell 400 and caught myself with sneak+jump when I got to a hole in the wall. |
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epoch |
or maybe I got lucky again. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Add CPP11 header to define nullptr & constexpr (#5471) b605b95 https://git.io/vS3VQ (2017-03-29T11:34:57Z) |
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riff-IRC |
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PureTryOut[m] |
why does the minimap keep enabling itself when I enter a world? :/ |
| 13:03 |
PureTryOut[m] |
(even if I turn it off before I leave the world) |
| 13:03 |
VanessaE |
disable it in your config |
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VanessaE |
Settings tab -> "Advanced Settings", search "mini" and disable the first "minimap" one. |
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PureTryOut[m] |
well that's interesting... the content of the minimap is gone, now it's just a black box with a border and the player... cursor? |
| 13:07 |
PureTryOut[m] |
console logs stuff of a "preview" mod? |
| 13:08 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I'm 100% certain I didn't install a "preview" mod |
| 13:08 |
sfan5 |
its installed by default |
| 13:08 |
PureTryOut[m] |
is it new? I can't remember it being there before |
| 13:08 |
PureTryOut[m] |
this is my own subgame even |
| 13:09 |
sfan5 |
its a client-side mod |
| 13:09 |
VanessaE |
yeah, you have to turn the minimap ON in your config, and then F9 turns it off. |
| 13:09 |
VanessaE |
I guess if it's off in your config, then the F9 key is just ignored |
| 13:09 |
PureTryOut[m] |
ooh client-side... so new then indeed ;) |
| 13:09 |
VanessaE |
hence you can't turn it off when the "preview" mod turns it on |
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PureTryOut[m] |
so... except for straight up deleting the mod, can it be disabled somewhere? |
| 13:10 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 13:11 |
VanessaE |
cheapie said he has a little mod that he wrote to override the "preview" mod's behavior |
| 13:13 |
PureTryOut[m] |
hmm... well I'll just delete it for now then |
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| 13:16 |
VanessaE |
also, this matrix thing needs to die in a fire :P |
| 13:16 |
twoelk |
matrixes burn? |
| 13:17 |
VanessaE |
heh. |
| 13:18 |
twoelk |
I whave to deal with fire, heat and smoke at work and we do sometimes use matrix calculations or whatever that is in english - so we fight fires with matrixes - not good if they are flammable |
| 13:20 |
* twoelk |
wonders where that extra <w> came from |
| 13:21 |
PureTryOut[m] |
wait what is wrong with Matrix now? |
| 13:21 |
VanessaE |
it's annoying to us IRC purists ;) |
| 13:22 |
fireglow[m] |
Matrix reporting in |
| 13:22 |
fireglow[m] |
I just set up my own HS and IRC AS |
| 13:22 |
fireglow[m] |
very much tinkering |
| 13:23 |
fireglow[m] |
I expect there to be 1000 bugs |
| 13:23 |
VanessaE |
so connected. much tinkering. wow. |
| 13:23 |
VanessaE |
:) |
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| 13:24 |
PureTryOut[m] |
IRC purist? do you even hear yourself? |
| 13:24 |
VanessaE |
yep :) |
| 13:24 |
PureTryOut[m] |
seriously, what is the deal with people hating on Matrix for no good reason? |
| 13:24 |
PureTryOut[m] |
except that we have a `[m]` behind our name, you don't even notice we're not using an IRC client |
| 13:24 |
VanessaE |
well for starters, it posts crap in chat when you upload an image to somewhere. it appends that [m] to your name to advertise it. and it makes some users believe they're not even on IRC in the first place. |
| 13:24 |
PureTryOut[m] |
and even that I can get rid of if I wanted too |
| 13:25 |
PureTryOut[m] |
posts crap in a chat? you mean the link to the image? like you guys normally upload stuff to imgur? |
| 13:25 |
fireglow |
hehe |
| 13:25 |
VanessaE |
it's different when we do it :) |
| 13:25 |
fireglow |
how? |
| 13:25 |
PureTryOut[m] |
your last point I guess I can get behind, but I don't understand how that's a problem for anyone |
| 13:25 |
PureTryOut[m] |
and yeah, how is it different? |
| 13:26 |
VanessaE |
because it requires an explicit action to paste the address |
| 13:26 |
sfan5 |
the matrix links are not particulary pretty |
| 13:26 |
sfan5 |
* [...] uploaded an image: screenshot_20170326_194215.png (611KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JmMzqDseSYIesgiNOKdnUZRE |
| 13:26 |
VanessaE |
damn it, ninja'd |
| 13:27 |
sfan5 |
if "normal" irc users do it then it's a short link |
| 13:27 |
VanessaE |
in short, PureTryOut[m], it's generally considered frowned-upon to have your client auto-post stuff in chat |
| 13:27 |
sfan5 |
if you do it it's some text saying someone uploaded shit, its name, its file size and a huge link |
| 13:27 |
VanessaE |
regardless of its purpose. |
| 13:28 |
sfan5 |
also isnt it supposed to be decentralized |
| 13:28 |
VanessaE |
yes. |
| 13:28 |
sfan5 |
because currently it seems very centralized to me |
| 13:28 |
sfan5 |
who pays for matrix.org? |
| 13:28 |
fireglow |
I pay for firc.de, use https://firc.de/chat/#/ |
| 13:28 |
fireglow |
hue |
| 13:28 |
agaran |
good afternoon |
| 13:28 |
fireglow |
Hello agaran |
| 13:28 |
VanessaE |
hi agaran |
| 13:28 |
sfan5 |
fireglow: does it use that if you post images here? |
| 13:28 |
PureTryOut[m] |
it is decentralized |
| 13:29 |
PureTryOut[m] |
you can use matrix.org, but you don't need too if you don't want too |
| 13:29 |
PureTryOut[m] |
although true right now most people are on matrix.org |
| 13:29 |
VanessaE |
s/too/to/g |
| 13:29 |
fireglow |
sfan5: not on freenode, but on my own IRC network, yeah |
| 13:29 |
PureTryOut[m] |
also the link thing, that's just the bridge converting it. on the Matrix side it shows an inline image (or however the client wants to display it). you still have to manually upload the file, it doesn't "auto" do it for you |
| 13:29 |
agaran |
well gtalk initially permitted xmpp connectivity outside of google.. but not after they gained enough users. |
| 13:30 |
PureTryOut[m] |
GTalk wasn't made with the purpose to be decentralized though |
| 13:30 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Matrix is |
| 13:30 |
sfan5 |
so every single person on freenode using matrix is using a single irc bridge |
| 13:30 |
sfan5 |
that's everything but decentralized |
| 13:30 |
PureTryOut[m] |
if Matrix stops being decentralized, then nobody would have a reason to use it anymore |
| 13:30 |
sfan5 |
PureTryOut[m]: the way the bridge convert it is quite ugly |
| 13:31 |
PureTryOut[m] |
sfan5: of course the bridge isn't. but on the Matrix side it still is |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
it. needs. to. die. |
| 13:31 |
PureTryOut[m] |
still, you may not like the product yourself, I just don't see why you hate that somebody else would use it |
| 13:31 |
sfan5 |
so it's only decentralized if everyone uses it and there i no outside contact |
| 13:31 |
sfan5 |
is* |
| 13:32 |
* twoelk |
puts away his torch, takes of the pointed hood and wanders off |
| 13:32 |
PureTryOut[m] |
IRC is the only decentralized factor here, that doesn't make the entire thing undecentralized... |
| 13:32 |
fireglow |
twoelk ;) |
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| 13:32 |
fireglow |
if you take out IRC and compare Matrix to Slack, it's much more obvious ;) |
| 13:32 |
PureTryOut[m] |
if the IRC server or bridge goes down (or is blocked), the Matrix side of the chat keeps on talking |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
...and you end up split off of IRC. |
| 13:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
so? |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
ergo, a point of failure. |
| 13:33 |
agaran |
PureTryOut[m]: and that is completely irrelevant for irc users.. |
| 13:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
doesn't make Matrix not decentralized |
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| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
yes, it does. |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
a single point of failure |
| 13:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
agaran: obviously |
| 13:33 |
fireglow[m]1 |
Hello from another matrix instance ;) |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
with IRC, you just switch servers. |
| 13:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
VanessaE: THAT'S JUST THE FUCKING IRC SIDE |
| 13:33 |
sfan5 |
"just irc" |
| 13:33 |
sfan5 |
ok |
| 13:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Matrix IS STILL DECENTRALIZED |
| 13:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
ugh |
| 13:33 |
sfan5 |
yes it is |
| 13:33 |
agaran |
PureTryOut[m]: why swearing, lack of real arguments? |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
PureTryOut[m]: no, that's just the fucking matrix bridge hing |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
thing* |
| 13:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
just... stop this conversation, we clearly won't switch our minds |
| 13:33 |
sfan5 |
however the matrix <-> irc bridge is a SPOF |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
which is by definition, not de-centralized. |
| 13:34 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I had this conversation too much in other channels before, nobody is changing their minds |
| 13:34 |
PureTryOut[m] |
so why bother? |
| 13:34 |
sfan5 |
because you are incorrect |
| 13:34 |
fireglow |
the bridge is a stopgap, not a essential part of the Matrix protocol |
| 13:34 |
VanessaE |
fireglow: it's essential if you want to get on an IRC network with it :P |
| 13:34 |
* twoelk |
got a sack of wooden bridges for the Carcassonne game |
| 13:34 |
fireglow |
matrix will do just fine without IRC |
| 13:34 |
PureTryOut[m] |
sfan5: in my eyes you guys are incorrect. we can keep going on about this but it won't change a thing |
| 13:34 |
* agaran |
shrugs and goes to spend time on something worth unlike matrix.. |
| 13:34 |
sfan5 |
fireglow: the fact that it is just a stopgap that implies everyone is in the process (or intended to) switch to matrix |
| 13:35 |
PureTryOut[m] |
fireglow: and IRC jsut fine without Matrix. there, we all happy now? can we just keep on using whatever we prefer? |
| 13:35 |
sfan5 |
PureTryOut[m]: i'd love to hear an argument why the bridge is not a single point of failure |
| 13:35 |
fireglow |
yes? |
| 13:35 |
fireglow |
hint: the webchat is also a SPOF ;) |
| 13:35 |
VanessaE |
PureTryOut[m]: IRC predates matrix, along with nearly every other chat system out there. we set the standard. |
| 13:35 |
fireglow |
so is mibbit |
| 13:35 |
sfan5 |
fireglow: my point is that there is no transition to matrix |
| 13:35 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I don't get this need to argue from the IRC side. |
| 13:35 |
VanessaE |
fireglow: but you don't need to use webchat to get to IRC. |
| 13:36 |
fireglow |
you don't need to use matrix to get on IRC |
| 13:36 |
sfan5 |
so having a bridge is kinda nice but kinda uhh.. |
| 13:36 |
agaran |
VanessaE: would you mind PM asi it is offtopic here? |
| 13:36 |
fireglow |
nobody says matrix wants to replace IRC, lol |
| 13:36 |
sfan5 |
agaran: no |
| 13:36 |
fireglow |
you have your assumptions wrong again |
| 13:36 |
sfan5 |
this channel is no strictly on-topic |
| 13:36 |
sfan5 |
not* |
| 13:36 |
PureTryOut[m] |
(hint: they don't actually want to replace IRC) |
| 13:36 |
sfan5 |
fireglow: did you not just say "yes" |
| 13:36 |
agaran |
sfan5: but I want stuff that is even more off topic.. really.. |
| 13:36 |
VanessaE |
fireglow: no, but if you DO use matrix, you need that bridge, and if the bridge fails, you lose IRC connectivity. with a traditional IRC client, you just switch to another server, usually automatically. |
| 13:36 |
fireglow |
VanessaE: so? |
| 13:36 |
sfan5 |
agaran: oh sorry i misunderstood your msg |
| 13:36 |
agaran |
unless you like to hear rant about DDS and inability to lock trigger of scope timebase to rising edge :) |
| 13:36 |
fireglow |
that risk is implied in the usage |
| 13:37 |
fireglow |
same with any other gateway to IRC, that isn't a IRC client, such as the official freenode webchat |
| 13:37 |
sfan5 |
"webchat" is not an alternative protocol or platform? |
| 13:37 |
fireglow |
I'm not sure why we're even having this discussion |
| 13:37 |
VanessaE |
fireglow: indeed. each of those constitutes a single point of failure for their respective portals. |
| 13:37 |
PureTryOut[m] |
me neither fireglow |
| 13:38 |
fireglow |
sfan5: sure it is. On Quakenet, the ORIGINAL webchat once broke form too many users, I was there ;) |
| 13:38 |
VanessaE |
they're all bridges to IRC from something that is not a traditional IRC client. |
| 13:38 |
sfan5 |
fireglow: how is that related? |
| 13:38 |
fireglow |
it's an additional service to IRC, that CAN break down, same as the Matrix bridge |
| 13:38 |
sfan5 |
indeed |
| 13:38 |
fireglow |
therefor a SPOF |
| 13:38 |
sfan5 |
correct |
| 13:38 |
fireglow |
so what's the problem with the Matrix Bridge? |
| 13:39 |
fireglow |
fireglow │ that risk is implied in the usage |
| 13:39 |
sfan5 |
it's a SPOF for the matrix usage situation in this channel |
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| 13:39 |
sfan5 |
if the bridge breaks down are you just going to say "nvm i'm having talks with only the 5 matrix users now" ? |
| 13:39 |
fireglow |
there hardly is a "matrix situation" I count five matrix users in IRC at this time. |
| 13:40 |
fireglow |
it's merely a convenience for Matrix Users, and a bit of a playpen |
| 13:40 |
sfan5 |
"situation" wasn't trying to imply any number of users |
| 13:40 |
fireglow |
then what did you trying to imply by using that phrase? |
| 13:41 |
fireglow |
I suggest you try matrix and the irc bridge before forming an opinion on it |
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sfan5 |
i am not forming an opinion on those things itself, it's about their concept |
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fireglow |
suit yourself ;) |
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VanessaE |
sfan5: just as I dislike matrix (it feels like an ... invader), I dislike the notion of accessing IRC from one of those all-in-one clients like Pidgin (but that's because then it just doesn't look like IRC) |
| 13:46 |
PureTryOut[m] |
VanessaE: but that shouldn't matter too you. you can just not use that "all-in-one" client |
| 13:46 |
VanessaE |
correct. |
| 13:46 |
VanessaE |
which is why I don't. |
| 13:47 |
VanessaE |
the problem stems from the old days, when how IRC looked mattered to some degree. |
| 13:47 |
VanessaE |
s/the/that/ |
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PureTryOut[m] |
see, discussion done |
| 13:48 |
VanessaE |
the difference, PureTryOut[m], is that matrix makes itself known to people NOT using it. |
| 13:49 |
VanessaE |
whereas pidgin et al. don't |
| 13:49 |
VanessaE |
if I hadn't mentioned using hexchat, you could have easily assumed I was using bitchx, irssi, pidgin, or even the original terminal irc client. |
| 13:50 |
sfan5 |
you forgot mIRC |
| 13:50 |
VanessaE |
or that. |
| 13:50 |
PureTryOut[m] |
VanessaE: still, how does that matter to you? |
| 13:50 |
PureTryOut[m] |
what do you care what client I use? |
| 13:51 |
VanessaE |
PureTryOut[m]: I don't. I care that your client is advertising itself. |
| 13:51 |
MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: l_minimap: don't show minimap if configuration doesn't allow it fbc1432 https://git.io/vS35x (2017-03-29T13:50:22Z) |
| 13:51 |
fireglow |
PureTryOut[m]: heh, good point |
| 13:51 |
PureTryOut[m] |
the `[m]` bit? why exactly? |
| 13:51 |
PureTryOut[m] |
and I could remove that from my nickname if I wanted too |
| 13:51 |
fireglow |
lol if the [m] is a problem, that's hilarious |
| 13:51 |
sfan5 |
why does nobody do that if you can |
| 13:51 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I just don't care enough for that |
| 13:52 |
PureTryOut[m] |
sfan5: beecause nobody cares enough, and we don't see it on our side |
| 13:52 |
sfan5 |
fireglow: it's more of an annoyance |
| 13:52 |
sfan5 |
>we don't see it on our side |
| 13:52 |
sfan5 |
of thats why |
| 13:52 |
Jordach |
>hipster webapp wants to be the downs kid in the autistic clas |
| 13:52 |
PureTryOut[m] |
well, I could say the same to you guys. "IRC is advertising itself" |
| 13:53 |
PureTryOut[m] |
(your names show up with (IRC) behind it) |
| 13:53 |
red-004[IRC] |
lol |
| 13:53 |
Jordach |
i don't think anyone would care if San Fran got nuked |
| 13:53 |
Jordach |
it'd end the stupid web startup webapps |
| 13:53 |
red-004[IRC] |
matrix is advertising IRC |
| 13:54 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I don't see it as advertising though lol, but whatever |
| 13:54 |
PureTryOut[m] |
just ignore it |
| 13:54 |
sfan5 |
0/10 argument |
| 13:54 |
Jordach |
that argument is so weak it couldn't even pick up a penny |
| 13:54 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I really don't care anymore |
| 13:54 |
fireglow[m] |
omfg red-004[IRC] you're invading my safe space |
| 13:55 |
Jordach[Quassel] |
tl;dr ayy lmao |
| 13:55 |
fireglow[m] |
Jordach hahhahah :D |
| 13:55 |
sfan5 |
Jordach[Quassel]: nice meme |
| 13:55 |
red-004[IRC] |
I just want everyone to know what platform I use |
| 13:55 |
* PureTryOut[m] |
uploaded an image: Screenshot_2017-03-29_15-55-51.png (5KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/kPwRQAqStoaiOaiOyQuQfGJn |
| 13:55 |
PureTryOut[m] |
red-004[IRC]: ^ it's a bit double now |
| 13:55 |
fireglow[m] |
wow yeah I forgot about Quassel |
| 13:55 |
fireglow[m] |
that's just the same lol |
| 13:55 |
Jordach[Quassel] |
fireglow[m], quassel can be a standalone client |
| 13:55 |
Jordach[Quassel] |
i just use it for it's infinite scrollback |
| 13:55 |
fireglow[m] |
yeah |
| 13:56 |
red-004[IRC] |
well I can't use spaces in irc names |
| 13:56 |
fireglow[m] |
my normal IRC setup is ZNC+weechat in a tmux on homeserver |
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| 13:57 |
fireglow[Webchat |
hi guys |
| 13:57 |
fireglow[Webchat |
what's up |
| 13:58 |
fireglow[Webchat |
I'm upsetting the IRC purists right now |
| 13:58 |
fireglow[Webchat |
dealwithit.jpg |
| 13:58 |
red-004[IRC][Eli |
lol matrix doesn't even respond ctcp ver as matrix |
| 13:58 |
fireglow[Webchat |
how rude |
| 13:59 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 13:59 |
fireglow |
they be like https://firc.de/_matrix/media/v1/download/firc.de/VUMxezJlvDoHxfkVwOTCxxkh |
| 14:00 |
PureTryOut[m] |
so.. Minetest related talk... is there anyway to detect if a player opened his/her inventory? |
| 14:01 |
twoelk |
he doesn't move anymore |
| 14:02 |
* twoelk |
would like an animation indicating a player has opened his inventory |
| 14:02 |
VanessaE |
I don't believe so, PureTryOut. |
| 14:02 |
Jordach[Quassel] |
PureTryOut[m], on_recieve_fields cheking for inventory changes |
| 14:02 |
red-004[IRC][Eli |
did hexhchat remove disabling CTCP version? |
| 14:03 |
sfan5 |
you can still disable it in the ctcp replies tab |
| 14:03 |
sfan5 |
(by having it do nothing on CTCP VERSION) |
| 14:03 |
red-004[IRC] |
doesn't seem to work |
| 14:03 |
red-004[IRC] |
I see my fake version and my real version |
| 14:03 |
PureTryOut[m] |
minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields only runs when something happens inside the inventory (pressing a button) |
| 14:04 |
Jordach[Quassel] |
PureTryOut[m], closing it shows up too |
| 14:04 |
red-004[IRC] |
and my other custom ctcp commands work |
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PureTryOut[m] |
Jordach[Quassel]: ok... but how do I check for an inventory opening? |
| 14:08 |
sfan5 |
i dont think thats possible |
| 14:08 |
PureTryOut[m] |
hmm, annoying |
| 14:09 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I want to determine my inventory formspec based on settings that or events that happen before it's opened |
| 14:09 |
Jordach[Quassel] |
formname might be player:name |
| 14:09 |
Jordach[Quassel] |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1817 |
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PureTryOut[m] |
right now it only changes after opening and closing the inventory once |
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Jordach[Quassel] |
PureTryOut[m], using print(formname) |
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Jordach[Quassel] |
the inventory is literally "" |
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PureTryOut[m] |
? I don't know how that would help me |
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Jordach[Quassel] |
oh shit |
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Jordach[Quassel] |
it's worse than that |
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PureTryOut[m] |
I just need a function to run (with the player parameter passed to it) when a player opens it's inventory |
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Jordach[Quassel] |
it returns nil |
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Jordach[Quassel] |
print(formname.."_") -> close inv = _ |
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twoelk |
maybe check for last formspec open event by player and look if has been closed yet? |
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twoelk |
oops - out of sync |
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PureTryOut[m] |
ugh, that sounds like a hack |
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VanessaE |
this is minetest. half of the shit we do in mods is hacks ;) |
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PureTryOut[m] |
lol |
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PureTryOut[m] |
that's pretty bad :p |
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thefamilygrog66 |
you don't wanna know what I hacked up this morning... |
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XtremeHacker |
What? |
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thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
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VanessaE |
vegetables, for a salad? :) |
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thefamilygrog66 |
nice |
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Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, official Minetest channel | Latest version: 0.4.15 (2016-12-22) | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/ |
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PureTryOut[m] |
ooh maybe I found it already, literally the `field` tag it seems |
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red-004[IRC] |
PSA: and like with html hidden fields you shouldn't trust the user not to fake it |
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PureTryOut[m] |
ooh? how could a player edit that then? |
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Calinou |
hacks |
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PureTryOut[m] |
lol. well doesn't really matter in my case, the player will only hinder himself |
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red-004[IRC] |
users can completely fake formspec summitting |
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red-004[IRC] |
nice the serverlist and the irc logger are back |
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Jordach |
the kitten got on top of it and slept on the power button |
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Jordach |
sorry for the delays ;P |
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UnityKris |
It's been ages since I've played minetest. What's the best method of updating? |
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PureTryOut[m] |
Depends on your operating system |
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UnityKris |
Ubuntu 16.04 |
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PureTryOut[m] |
If you use Linux, it should've been updated by your package manager already |
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PureTryOut[m] |
Well there you go |
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UnityKris |
I built from source last I remember |
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PureTryOut[m] |
ooh |
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epoch |
git pull? |
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UnityKris |
Is the package manager the way to go now though? |
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PureTryOut[m] |
in that case, `cd /wherever/your/git/repo/is && git pull && cmake . && make -j$(nproc) && sudo make install` |
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PureTryOut[m] |
well not if you want a develop version |
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UnityKris |
I'll git pull. |
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PureTryOut[m] |
if you just want stable, yeah definitely go for the package manager |
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MinetestBot |
[git] zaoqi -> minetest/minetest_game: Use creative.is_enabled_for for creative mode if possible (#1558) 077316b https://git.io/vSsQ0 (2017-03-29T19:02:26Z) |
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UnityKris |
If this tells you how long its been, I was on 14.04 and have fully wiped to install 16.04, but have yet to install git or cmake again. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] cx384 -> minetest/minetest_game: doors: add groups to the door craftitem b847888 https://git.io/vSsQE (2017-03-29T18:40:56Z) |
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PureTryOut[m] |
why not just upgrade 14.04 to 16.04? why reinstall? |
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epoch |
http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest |
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PureTryOut[m] |
> tmw you've been searching for the cause of a bug for an hour, start to blame Minetest, then find the cause and realize you're stupid |
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greeter |
lol |
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PureTryOut[m] |
what the hell? since when does `player.is_player()` require the player object as a parameter? |
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behalebabo |
call as, player:is_player |
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behalebabo |
that will pass the object implicitly |
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PureTryOut[m] |
ooh nvm, `.` and `:` seem to make a difference |
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PureTryOut[m] |
ooh is that it |
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PureTryOut[m] |
thanks, learned something today |
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behalebabo |
yeah, a:b() is the same as a.b(a) |
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silent_elk |
Yay |
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silent_elk |
I managed to break it even further. |
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silent_elk |
Now the server crashes as soon as the first player joins |
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silent_elk |
with no error message lol |
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epoch |
does it segfault? |
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silent_elk |
Nope |
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silent_elk |
Uhhh now it does work |
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silent_elk |
Interesting. |
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epoch |
you using Linux? |
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epoch |
might be the out of memory killer? |
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silent_elk |
I've just figured something out |
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silent_elk |
It crashes in singleplayer |
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silent_elk |
but not when I start a server then connect to it |
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epoch |
is there a mod that adds magic? |
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silent_elk |
I believe so |
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silent_elk |
Let me check |
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epoch |
I'm thinking of the kind of magic that's in nethack. |
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epoch |
like, writing protection spells on the ground in dust.. |
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silent_elk |
I've never used any of those |
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silent_elk |
so |
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epoch |
maybe potions and alchemy |
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OldCoder |
Yes, there is code that is close enough to make that work |
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OldCoder |
But it is buggy |
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OldCoder |
Can be used as a start |
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OldCoder |
I forget the mod name(s) but I've tried them |
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OldCoder |
Hm |
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OldCoder |
You could skip those and perhaps just modify... |
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OldCoder |
kaeza's bookex mod |
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OldCoder |
to produce spellbooks from scratch |
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OldCoder |
Those could be as complex or simple as you wished |
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silent_elk |
I'm amusing not this, but may be interesting: https://github.com/benedict42/alchemtinker |
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silent_elk |
assuming* |
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silent_elk |
lol |
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epoch |
I thought of something else fun to add. |
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epoch |
it'd require aluminum. |
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epoch |
mortar + pestle |
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epoch |
and some way to make iron oxide (rust) |
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epoch |
maybe iron + salt water, but then you'd need salt and I dunno what else it could be used for. |
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epoch |
curing food? |
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epoch |
anyway. thermite. |
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epoch |
:D |
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OldCoder |
epoch, are you able to see IRC PMs ? |
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epoch |
yeah. |
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OldCoder |
Do you see mine? |
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OldCoder |
Wish to respond there? |
