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00:00 Hijiri I'm unsure how call/cc interacts with embedding though
00:00 Hijiri probably badly
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00:01 Hijiri I would suggest Haskell over Scheme if it was easy to embed
00:01 Hijiri I'm being completely unironic
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00:07 redblade7 hi
00:07 redblade7 hey listen
00:07 redblade7 i was thinking of setting up a second server (again)
00:08 redblade7 this time it would be a sandbox server, but with mapgen valleys and no jungles
00:08 redblade7 no protection or anything
00:08 redblade7 but a question i have
00:08 Jordach new Kra-ys server wen
00:08 redblade7 are sandbox servers required to have pvp?
00:09 Jordach *shrug*
00:09 redblade7 i dont want to call something "sandbox" and have it not be that
00:10 redblade7 also, there would be much less mods than creative gardens
00:10 redblade7 like 4 pages of unified_inventory compared to creative gardens' 32
00:11 redblade7 sandbox with valleys can lead to some nasty griefing though that's what im' concerned with
00:11 redblade7 by accident too
00:12 redblade7 but with sandbox where do you draw the line with regards to griefing
00:12 redblade7 another issue too
00:12 Jordach ask 2b2t
00:12 redblade7 who's 2b2t
00:12 Jordach the anarchy Minecraft server
00:13 redblade7 i saw that there but it didnt use valleys
00:14 Jordach the C++ doesn't grief
00:14 redblade7 i dont think so anyway
00:15 redblade7 creative gardens is near griefer-proof (with the exception of dumping water and travelnets and bothering other people while they build)
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00:16 redblade7 oh and dumping rats
00:19 redblade7 as has apparently happened now
00:19 redblade7 i want to make it easier to tame kittens by leaving them in creative inventory
00:19 redblade7 tbut occasionally griefers keep dumping them
00:26 redblade7 user RTFG
00:26 redblade7 109.201.223.88
00:26 redblade7 did a rollback and clearing objects on my server
00:30 Jordach shouldn't those have the server priv on them
00:30 Jordach tat shouldn't be given to anyone
00:31 redblade7 lol
00:31 redblade7 yes
00:31 redblade7 he's the griefer
00:31 redblade7 i was cleaning up his miss
00:31 redblade7 mess
00:31 redblade7 s/did/just did
00:32 redblade7 just putting his info here in case others run into trouble
00:32 redblade7 the log was flooded with his activation of mobs_animal:rat and putting more into his chests
00:32 redblade7 it does happen sometimes but everyone loves the kittens so
00:33 redblade7 doesn't look like anarchist server uses valleys, but i'm not sure
00:36 redblade7 it's in the situation where servers.minetest.net no longer gets all the information
00:36 redblade7 creative gardens gets in that too but i shut it down for backups a lot
00:38 redblade7 there are a few things i would do diffrently if  i ran a sandbox server
00:38 redblade7 namely a few more rules and animal mobs (cotton is near impossible to find for wool)
00:39 redblade7 and no jungeles
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01:48 riff-IRC Hi
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02:18 redblade7 hi
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02:43 garywhite Hi redblade7, riff-IRC
02:43 riff-IRC Hello
02:43 riff-IRC WAIT
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02:45 riff-IRC Hi LazyJ
02:45 LazyJ Howdy riff
02:45 Eater4 garywhite, please check your pm
02:46 riff-IRC How's the server?
02:47 redblade7 hi
02:47 redblade7 setting up a new server
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02:47 MinetestBot TheInformer: Feb-17 21:49 UTC <Krock> the parameter "ore" defines the node that is generated, in your case this would have the value "survivalplus:nickel_ore".
02:47 riff-IRC Nice
02:47 riff-IRC ?
02:47 LazyJ Its doing fine.
02:47 riff-IRC What's MinetestBot doing here?
02:47 TheInformer giving me a message...
02:48 riff-IRC how do you interact with MinetestBot?
02:48 TheInformer idk
02:48 Eater4 MinetestBot: list
02:48 TheInformer !msg
02:49 TheInformer MinetestBot: help
02:49 Eater4 ~list
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02:49 riff-IRC ~list
02:49 Eater4 ~ping
02:49 ShadowBot riff-IRC: Admin, Aka, Anonymous, BanNotify, Brainfuck, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Ctcp, DDG, Debug, DerplangPlus, Dict, Filter, FloodProtector, Format, Games, GitHub, Karma, Later, Logger, Math, MessageParser, Minetest, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Reply, Scheduler, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, Util, (1 more message)
02:49 ShadowBot pong
02:49 TheInformer ~msg
02:49 riff-IRC Ok Ok Ok
02:49 riff-IRC That Is Enough
02:49 TheInformer lol
02:49 TheInformer Does anyone know if someone has made a half-life mod?
02:49 TheInformer or is working on one?
02:50 TheInformer ~pong
02:51 TheInformer ~Games
02:53 * TheInformer is afk
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03:54 garywhite If anyone sees Eater4 or Nate tell him idk what's up with InchraNet, but that I'll talk to VE
03:59 redblade7 hey is it still true that you should have 0,0,0 free
04:00 redblade7 i'm trying to generate a new map for a new server but i'm using valleys which you have to find the right seed and most of them are higher up
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04:17 redblade7 seed number 37 and still no 0,0,0 in a forest
04:21 redblade7 seed 45 is off a little but i can try worldedit
04:23 redblade7 nope messed up lighting
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04:40 redblade7 i see a valleys server with a ladder up maybe should try that
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05:35 cheapie OK, so I've managed to make a mod that replaces giant rgblightstone display panels with SDL windows. It's not much use in a multiplayer environment, of course, as the windows are spawned on the server end, but it's rather fun to play with in singleplayer.
05:36 cheapie (using lua-sdl2, for the record)
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06:20 TheInformer Is it possible to see do something if the player is holding down his mouse instead of just clicking it?
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08:07 redblade7 OK, officially up, "THE VALLEYS"
08:08 redblade7 Have to post it to the forum but I'm tired and have to go to bed and busy tomorrow
08:08 redblade7 Sandbox server goodnight
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10:33 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/master-server: Update detection of guest clients 5e12cb5 https://git.io/vD78Z (2017-02-18T10:31:24Z)
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11:07 PureTryOut[m] I'm looking at the node texture documentation (http://dev.minetest.net/texture), and I was wondering of the height and width parameters of the "[combine]" command are in pixels or not
11:07 PureTryOut[m] (same with x1, and y1)
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11:14 sfan5 what other unit would they be in?
11:16 PureTryOut[m] no clue but it doesn't seem to be pixels at all
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11:18 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Add support for the new arguments of `request_shutdown` to the `/shut… 3d25914 https://git.io/vD7Be (2017-02-18T11:16:11Z)
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11:46 PureTryOut[m] interesting how `transparent.png^[combine:0x0:0,0=test.png` shows the whole of test.png (transparent.png being a 16x16 empty transparent image)
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14:06 silwol what's a good up-to-date timber mod? I only seem to find outdated ones on the net.
14:06 rubenwardy if they work, they're probably still work ok
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14:26 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Use the `ARRLEN` macro in more places and remove an unused macro. (#5… d988f9b https://git.io/vD7gy (2017-02-18T14:24:49Z)
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14:38 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Fix not being able to damage players in minimal (#5266) 5db41d4 https://git.io/vD728 (2017-02-18T14:36:29Z)
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14:49 Out`Of`Control est31: hey can i query you
14:50 est31 Out`Of`Control: what is your question
14:50 Out`Of`Control about leaftest
14:51 est31 yes
14:52 Out`Of`Control est31:  it was working fine, now i keep getting this error
14:52 Out`Of`Control http://paste.debian.net/915331/
14:53 Out`Of`Control what could be wrong?
14:53 sfan5 est31: why did leaftest need rogiers mapper build again?
14:53 est31 I think it used some of the extra commands that rogier's mapper had
14:53 sfan5 i didn't see any in your repo
14:54 est31 Out`Of`Control: I'm not sure, possibly something changed in the database format
14:54 est31 Out`Of`Control: ask sfan5
14:55 sfan5 what you're seeing is just the sqlite library failing to do something
14:55 est31 sfan5: if you want to get it working on the official mapper, feel free to drop a PR
14:55 sfan5 completely unrelated to the database format
14:55 sfan5 est31: it looks like it should work out-of-the-box with the official mapper so i'm quite confused
14:56 Out`Of`Control i can try on older map
14:57 Out`Of`Control sfan5:  it was working fine some months a go
14:59 est31 sfan5: can you point me to the commit that changed the mapblock serialisation?
14:59 est31 did something in the sqlite format change?
15:00 sfan5 it did
15:00 est31 like, idk mod meta in database?
15:00 sfan5 but that would result in a different error
15:00 sfan5 https://github.com/Rogier-5/m​inetest-mapper-cpp/issues/19
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15:15 Out`Of`Control sfan5 est31 works fine with map from 17 nov
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15:16 MinetestBot zorman2000: Feb-05 14:47 UTC <octacian> If you're still fighting with formspecs, take a look at this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopi​c.php?f=9&amp;t=16594&amp;p=249868. It's almost identical to the other one, but in mod form and seems more reliable.
15:19 Out`Of`Control updating minetestmapper should fix it?
15:38 Fixer Out`Of`Control: yes
15:39 Fixer Out`Of`Control: https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/co​mmit/21444d00c35dc6896ffc27af7da38d8a296178fd
15:40 Out`Of`Control Fixer: i try it did not help updating minetestmapper
15:41 Fixer Out`Of`Control: whats your engine version?
15:41 Out`Of`Control not so old
15:46 Fixer Out`Of`Control: give me exact commit
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16:00 Calinou small poll: do you think I can label More Blocks, More Ores and Map Tools as version 1.0.0? this was requested by a few Linux distribution packagers :)
16:00 Calinou they seem to be stable enough for that, also I'll keep a changelog starting from that version (CHANGELOG.md probably)
16:01 Calinou so we can document fixes done over versions
16:01 rubenwardy yes
16:01 rubenwardy more [blocks/ores] definitely
16:01 rubenwardy can't remember Map Tools - is that the one with the admin pickaxe in it?
16:01 Calinou yep
16:05 red-001 well this is a thing https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ass​ociation_of_Deletionist_Wikipedians
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16:11 cimbakahn Hello Everyone!
16:13 cimbakahn What is the difference between karsthafen_2015-02-08 & karsthafen_2016-05-07  ?
16:14 rubenwardy different dates
16:14 Krock the upload date?
16:14 Krock damn it, always these ninjas
16:14 rubenwardy you'd probably want the 2016 one
16:15 cimbakahn I know that, but i was wondering if there were any building/construction changes?
16:15 red-001 so what is karsthafen?
16:16 Krock check out the topic. if there's no post about it, then ask solars in a PM no the forums
16:16 Krock red-001, a map
16:16 cimbakahn It is a WORLD for Minetest.
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16:17 cimbakahn Karsthafen ----> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6642
16:18 Out`Of`Control Fixer: how can i see?
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16:19 Wuzzy Lua question: Is it OK to make a nodebox of 0 width (for a plane-like texture)?
16:19 rubenwardy on screen text whilst playing
16:19 rubenwardy Wuzzy: you'll probably cause z-problems
16:19 rubenwardy better to make 0.001 or smth
16:20 cimbakahn I noticed that the 2015 one is 1.5GB & and the 2016 one is 2.8GB  ?
16:20 Wuzzy it seems to render fine with 0 width xd
16:20 Wuzzy xD
16:20 juhdanad Wuzzy: maybe signlike is sufficient for you.
16:20 Wuzzy no
16:20 Wuzzy I need a 3D box AND a flat plane
16:20 Fixer Out`Of`Control: --version
16:20 Wuzzy or am i forced to use a mesh?
16:21 juhdanad If your plane is not near to an other parallel plane, then there will be no z-fighting.
16:21 Out`Of`Control Fixer:  i see only Build info: VER=0.4.15-dev
16:21 Wuzzy well, its not really a plane
16:21 Wuzzy its a nodebox of 0 width
16:21 Fixer Out`Of`Control: and if you run minetest.exe, it shows version in title
16:21 Wuzzy is it even permitted in minetest or is this discouraged?
16:21 Fixer Out`Of`Control: the one on server
16:22 Out`Of`Control exe???
16:22 Out`Of`Control sec
16:22 juhdanad Wuzzy: it will render properly, but do use backface culling.
16:22 cimbakahn That would mean the mod has increased in size by 1.3GB.  This increase is quite significant.  So i was wondering if more buildings and stuff were created in the 2nd one?
16:22 Fixer Out`Of`Control: binary
16:22 Wuzzy how?
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16:23 juhdanad Just do not write backface_culling=false to your tile definitions.
16:23 Out`Of`Control Fixer:  i have no exe file
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16:24 Fixer Out`Of`Control: nevermind, you have to remember what version you compiled, write it down and it will be useful later
16:25 Out`Of`Control Fixer:  it was compiled on 29 jan
16:25 Out`Of`Control so from 29 jan
16:25 Fixer much better
16:27 Fixer Out`Of`Control: then it is not related to major update, which is Lighting: Update lighting at block loading  ( feb 13 2017 0
16:30 Out`Of`Control Fixer: i have map from 17 feb works fine, recent map fails with errors
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16:43 kaeza greetings
16:43 rubenwardy hi?
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16:44 Fixer hi
16:44 rubenwardy hey
16:45 rubenwardy oh, already aid that
16:45 rubenwardy although less certainly
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16:52 moondeck hello
16:52 Krock hi
16:53 moondeck just thought i would install minetest to see how good my new server performs :)
16:58 Krock you'll need an i7 + 10 GiB ram at least
16:58 Krock then throw some good mods on it and let us enjoy this amazing fast server :P
16:59 moondeck it runs C2D e8400 and 4 gigs
16:59 agaran E8400 is not bad cpu..
17:00 agaran Krock: ;)
17:00 moondeck its a bit old though
17:00 moondeck thinking about getting a xeon and an adapter for the mobo
17:00 moondeck i've actually built the server myself
17:00 moondeck converted a switch rack case to mATX
17:00 moondeck and then a server PSU to ATX
17:00 moondeck and just shoved it in there
17:01 moondeck not sure if it can handle the cooling of a quad core
17:01 moondeck hmm, lets compile minetest first
17:01 agaran moondeck: get 32+ cores if you want to see cooling problems;)
17:02 moondeck agaran problem was fitting the standard intel cooling solution on a 1.5U case
17:02 Krock ^ set them on FSB multipier 1 and the problems are history
17:03 agaran Krock: but then why bother ;)
17:03 moondeck but i've removed the top fan, and instead its blowing from the side
17:10 kaeza a server runs quite well on a dual core and even single core processors
17:11 moondeck kaeza yeah, i am probably gonna open it to the public once its set
17:11 moondeck i havent played MT for quite a while
17:11 kaeza Lua is singlethreaded anyway so throwing more cores at it won't do anything
17:11 kaeza may help with other parts though
17:11 moondeck almost done compiling
17:11 rubenwardy good for mapgen
17:12 rubenwardy and emerge
17:12 moondeck emerge? gentoo?
17:13 kaeza lol
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17:22 Krock uninstall gentoo
17:22 moondeck yeah
17:22 moondeck its shit
17:22 moondeck i mean you need quite a neckbeard to use it
17:22 moondeck debian is superior
17:22 moondeck >inb4 "install gentoo" is a meme
17:24 moondeck can i somehow OP an user on a server?
17:25 moondeck nvm, got it
17:27 moondeck so, if i've compiled minetest, and i am running a server, where is the config at?
17:27 moondeck i cant find anything in .minetest
17:27 Krock http://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest.conf
17:27 Krock you have to run and exit minetest once to generate that file
17:29 moondeck thanks
17:31 Krock !next
17:31 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
17:31 moondeck how about default privs?
17:33 moondeck and are there plugins where i can assign a certain area to a player?
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17:33 kaeza !mod areas
17:33 MinetestBot kaeza: Advanced area protection [areas] by ShadowNinja - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7239
17:33 kaeza ^ that?
17:34 moondeck i guess
17:36 Krock there are more, such as landrush, protector and simple_protection
17:38 moondeck i just need to be able to give blocks away
17:38 moondeck !mod border
17:38 MinetestBot moondeck: Could not find anything.
17:38 moondeck hmm
17:38 moondeck !mod world
17:38 MinetestBot moondeck: worldedge [worldedge] by Don - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10753
17:39 Krock Check out http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php and http://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/mods/
17:39 Krock there you will get some more results :)
17:39 moondeck nice
17:39 moondeck still no good border mod though?
17:40 moondeck i need to get to know LUA
17:40 moondeck Lua*
17:40 moondeck or whatever
17:40 moondeck i only know C and x86 asm
17:40 kaeza https://github.com/mniip/LUA
17:40 Krock a border that limits the world generation, as example?
17:40 moondeck yeah
17:40 Krock yes, LUA is great. FOR K,V IN PAIRS()
17:41 Krock #    Where the map generator stops.
17:41 Krock #    type: int min: 0 max: 31000
17:41 Krock # map_generation_limit = 3100
17:41 moondeck IT SEEMS REALLY STRANGE THOUGH WITH ALL THAT CASE
17:41 Krock ^ minetest.conf.example
17:42 moondeck how can i assign some kind of default permissions?
17:42 Krock # default_privs = interact, shout
17:42 Krock ^ minetest.conf.example
17:43 Krock and now turn your grep on and look through that file
17:43 moondeck eh
17:43 moondeck stoopid me
17:43 moondeck for admin can i just do "*"
17:43 Krock huh
17:44 moondeck an admin should have all the permissions
17:45 moondeck the Wiki doesnt provide the meaning of "server_dedicated", should i set it to yes?
17:45 Krock just set the setting "name = <your_nick_here>" to make yourself some kind of "superuser"
17:46 Krock server_dedicated appears to be a deprecated setting
17:46 kaeza then /grantme all
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17:46 Krock or /grant <your_nick> all, if the one above isn't a known command
17:47 moondeck server_dedicated is not deprecated
17:47 moondeck since i've compiled the newest version
17:49 rubenwardy ignore server_dedicated
17:49 rubenwardy it's automatic
17:50 moondeck how can i make a dedicated server though? aside from the network setup, do i need anything else?
17:50 rubenwardy minetestserver
17:50 moondeck yeah, obv
17:50 rubenwardy if you use minetestserver or minetest --server (they are equivalent) then server_dedicated will equal true
17:50 moondeck right
17:51 rubenwardy as for stay alive
17:51 rubenwardy you can use a bash script
17:51 rubenwardy or something like systemd
17:51 moondeck for now i will just keep it open in a terminal
17:51 moondeck any way i could set the MOTD?
17:51 rubenwardy motd in settings
17:51 rubenwardy <Krock> and now turn your grep on and look through that file
17:52 moondeck Wiki is saying its deprecated and old
17:52 rubenwardy it's not
17:52 rubenwardy where do you see that?
17:52 moondeck http://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest.conf.example
17:53 Krock I said that. It's not used anywhere and nobody really cares about it
17:53 rubenwardy it says that page is outdated, not the motd setting
17:53 rubenwardy and motd is still used on join
17:53 rubenwardy but not many people look at it
17:54 Krock nvm, I thought it was still about the dedicated server setting
17:54 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​commits/master/minetest.conf.example is always up-to-date and offers you a good documentation
17:54 moondeck with MOTD i mean the "name" of the server
17:55 rubenwardy server_name, then
17:55 Krock server_name?
17:55 Krock MOTD = message of the day btw
17:55 moondeck used to be called MOTD in MC
17:55 moondeck i know what it means
17:56 rubenwardy MOTD is a message shown when you join the server, not the server's name
17:56 Krock ^
17:57 PureTryOut[m] "Message of the Day"
17:57 Krock thanks god that the wiki describes nodes as blocks /s
18:02 moondeck can i get the server indexed somehow or does it happen automatically?
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18:03 TheInformer Is anyone here?
18:03 DI3HARD139 Anyone else getting frequent std::bad_alloc?
18:03 DI3HARD139 From no cause
18:03 Krock moondeck, set this to true: # server_announce = false
18:03 Krock DI3HARD139, free some memory and use a lower-resolution texture pack
18:03 TheInformer I need help choosing a license for a mod
18:04 DI3HARD139 Its on a server. | Literally only using about 2GB of 16GB total + 16GB swap
18:04 Krock TheInformer, WTFPL, MIT or BSD3-Clause. Choose with http://tldrlegal.com/
18:04 moondeck TheInformer MIT
18:04 rubenwardy don't use WTFPL
18:04 Krock DI3HARD139, is it a 64-bit build?
18:04 TheInformer Ok, ill check it out
18:05 DI3HARD139 I would think so. Its fresh from github (2weeks ish ago, probably 3)
18:05 DI3HARD139 Not sure tbh. Ill have to check cmake logs
18:05 TheInformer Ok, Ill use MIT, do I need to put the license terms in my README.MD on github?
18:06 Krock github allows you to include a license when crating a new repo
18:06 TheInformer yeah I chose MIT
18:06 TheInformer oh ok nvmd
18:06 TheInformer it has a license file
18:06 DI3HARD139 Yep 64
18:06 TheInformer ok guys thanks for the help
18:06 Krock !next
18:06 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
18:07 DI3HARD139 lol
18:07 Krock DI3HARD139, strange.
18:07 Krock usually it's caused by running out of memory
18:07 moondeck hmm, i have a new build too
18:07 moondeck 64 bit
18:07 moondeck no problems
18:09 fireglow Krock: are you Hybrid Dog?
18:09 Krock correct language, continent but wrong, sadly.
18:09 Krock fireglow, he's rarely here as w_laenger
18:09 fireglow ah, I see. Thanks.
18:09 Krock !next
18:09 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
18:09 fireglow I did a bad, bad thing: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=252206#p252206
18:10 DI3HARD139 probably a borked subgame again.
18:10 fireglow OVER A YEAR
18:10 DI3HARD139 I though it was the mobs again but it wasn't
18:10 fireglow :<
18:10 DI3HARD139 Im probably hitting lua memory limit. Had to clear up some water griefing on the map
18:10 moondeck if i open my server, would anyone come on and tell me if the config is alright? i wanna test the hardware too
18:11 Krock fireglow, sorry, I don't understand...
18:11 rubenwardy w_laenger == Hybrid Dog?? :O
18:11 fireglow Krock: I forgot to thank him for the addition I suggested, for over a year :<
18:11 Krock rubenwardy, not entirely confirmed
18:12 fireglow mystery!
18:12 Krock fireglow, stuff gets forgotten all the time, so *shrug*
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18:12 DI3HARD139 hit me up with the ip/port
18:12 Krock fireglow, you definitely also belong into #minetest-de
18:14 moondeck DI3HARD139 wait a sec, lemme redirect the port
18:15 DI3HARD139 Can't be the timer scripts. Those are working fine on the other servers.
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18:17 DI3HARD139 wb
18:17 TheInformer thanks
18:17 TheInformer I have another question lol
18:17 fireglow Krock ;)
18:18 TheInformer is it possible to make an entity explode when it hits a node?
18:20 agaran TheInformer: I'd look at bows mod, as their entities may have such function..
18:20 TheInformer nope
18:20 TheInformer I checked
18:20 TheInformer just place and destroy
18:20 TheInformer and it only destroys one node
18:23 agaran well if it has routine that reacts -on- hitting node, you can change code there.
18:24 moondeck 185.143.254.252:30000 is the IP
18:24 kaeza <TheInformer> and it only destroys one node
18:24 TheInformer yeah
18:24 kaeza huh? I tested yesterday, and TNT arrow works as advertised
18:24 TheInformer Oh, i must be looking at a different mod
18:27 kaeza this is the one I'm using. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14384
18:27 kaeza uh
18:27 kaeza I guess AiTechEye == UjEdwin?
18:28 * kaeza hates forum name changes
18:28 fireglow !mod superpick
18:28 MinetestBot fireglow: Superpickaxe [superpick] by Hybrid Dog - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3691
18:29 moondeck DI3HARD139 server tells me its an invalid name
18:30 DI3HARD139 invalid name? Upon me connecting or announcing?
18:30 moondeck oh you are on
18:30 moondeck idk
18:30 moondeck server complains
18:30 moondeck that you "tried to connect"
18:30 DI3HARD139 It does that. A lot...
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18:40 cimbakahn What is the difference between karsthafen_2015-02-08 & karsthafen_2016-05-07  ?
18:40 cimbakahn I noticed that the 2015 one is 1.5GB & and the 2016 one is 2.8GB  ?
18:40 TheInformer im off
18:40 TheInformer thanks for the help again
18:40 cimbakahn That would mean the mod has increased in size by 1.3GB.  This increase is quite significant.  So i was wondering if more buildings and stuff were created in the 2nd one?
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18:44 Calinou <kaeza> I guess AiTechEye == UjEdwin?
18:44 Calinou yes, I changed their username by request
18:44 Krock cimbakahn, no success in looking up the topic about that map? If it's not documented there, ask solars himself
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18:50 zyabin101 What would you suggest to make for generator-minetest?
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18:51 zyabin101 Calinou, no answer on the "innocent IP blocked from forum by Spamhaus" problem?
18:51 Calinou zyabin101: I'm not sure who has permissions to whitelist IPs
18:52 sfan5 forum admins
18:52 zyabin101 :D
18:54 Baffy[m] i built an underwater bunker and tried to empty it out, seems impossible
18:54 Baffy[m] after trying far too long
18:54 Baffy[m] seems like the water source blocks just come back\
18:54 zyabin101 And celeron seems to be the only one able to, according to https://forum.minetest.net/​memberlist.php?mode=leaders
18:54 Krock Baffy[m], start with the most top water layer
18:55 garywhite ircSparky: Message from OldCoder, happy birthday
18:55 Krock fill it entirely with nodes, then remove each and move on with the next layer
18:55 Krock water nodes will renew on corners
18:56 rdococ I'm working on a laptop mod which has a laptop node. when you right click on it, the gui pops up.
18:56 rdococ how do I respond to the player clicking stuff in that gui?
18:56 zyabin101 I *had* a node template, but the computer which has it has absolutely died.
18:57 rubenwardy on_receive_formspec in nodedef, rdococ
18:57 rdococ k
18:57 rubenwardy if you're using node meta formspecs
18:57 rdococ ty
18:57 rdococ ye
18:57 rubenwardy on_receive_fields = func(pos, formname, fields, sender)
18:58 rdococ wait
18:58 rdococ ok
19:00 cimbakahn Krock, Thanks!
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19:05 Baffy[m] oh cool
19:06 Krock !next
19:06 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
19:07 moondeck DI3HARD139 did it work well?
19:07 moondeck you timed out
19:07 moondeck eh shit
19:07 rdococ I'm working on a computer mod that WORKS?! :O
19:07 moondeck rdococ what mod?
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19:07 juhdanad You should change !next to tell the number of statisfied customers of the day.
19:08 kaeza THIRD computer mod that WORKS :D
19:08 fireglow indeed
19:08 moondeck DI3HARD139 you timed out?
19:08 rdococ wait, there are TWO WORKING COMPUTER MODS?
19:08 Krock - DI3HARD139 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
19:08 kaeza fourth if you count mesecons
19:08 Krock yes, that's a ping timeout
19:08 moondeck Krock i know
19:08 moondeck wanna know what happened, he was testing my server
19:09 DI3HARD139 reconnecting
19:09 moondeck people just left xD
19:09 rdococ tell me
19:09 kaeza rdococ, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopi​c.php?f=9&amp;t=15886&amp;p=239682 | https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=16538
19:09 moondeck rdococ tell you what?
19:10 rdococ nvm
19:11 kaeza don't let that discourage you. we have 5 bows mods, 4 nether mods, 1e+100 mobs mods, ...
19:12 kaeza the more the merrier they say
19:12 kaeza :P
19:18 rdococ I won't :p
19:28 rdococ wait
19:28 rdococ 1+100 zeroes?
19:31 Krock yes
19:31 rdococ laptop dimension with laptop mob that drops laptop bow
19:32 zyabin101 rdococ, more on topic of the laptop dimension:
19:32 zyabin101 Laptops abound!
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19:33 zyabin101 You're standing on a touchpad, the trees grow keys, and the mines are full of mesecon ore to wire em up.
19:33 rdococ cyber dimension with software
19:34 rdococ lol
19:34 rdococ literal keys
19:34 Taose Isn't "1e+100" shorthand for 1x10^100?
19:34 zyabin101 You may find laptops, ports, adaptors, peripherals and software disks in the wild :D
19:34 rdococ Taose, correct
19:34 Taose So...101 0s?
19:35 rdococ 100 0s and 1 1
19:35 zyabin101 "1" + "0" * 100
19:35 kaeza !c 1e100
19:35 MinetestBot 1e+100
19:35 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/master-server: Design changes on the server list page 5de6082 https://git.io/vD79E (2017-02-18T19:34:53Z)
19:35 kaeza :(
19:35 Krock lol
19:35 Taose Not helpful bot
19:36 rdococ heh
19:36 kaeza !c str(1e100)
19:36 MinetestBot '1e+100'
19:36 kaeza lol
19:36 Taose lmfao
19:36 kaeza thank you MinetestBot
19:36 Krock !c '1' + '0' * 100
19:36 MinetestBot '1000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000'
19:36 Krock there you go
19:36 rdococ !c '1' + '0'
19:36 MinetestBot '10'
19:36 rdococ oh
19:36 Krock python_skills++
19:36 rdococ string concatenation and multiplication
19:36 rdococ cool
19:37 rdococ !c 'lol' * 100
19:37 MinetestBot 'lollollollollollollollollollollollollolloll​ollollollollollollollollollollollollollollol​lollollollollollollollollollollollollollollo​llollollollollollollollollollollollollolloll​ollollollollollollollollollollollollollollol​lollollollollollollollollollollollollollollo​llollollollollollollollollollollollol'
19:37 Krock please check out #minetestbot
19:37 Krock hmm
19:37 rdococ I only did it once :c
19:37 Krock maybe ##minetestbot ? dunno
19:37 Krock there's where you can abuse it
19:39 rdococ hm
19:40 PureTryOut[m] how do I tell cmake to compile the headless server?
19:42 fireglow cmake -DBUILD_SERVER=1 -DBUILD_CLIENT=0
19:42 PureTryOut[m] thanks!
19:44 kaeza !c (lambda f, x: f(f, 0, 1, x))(lambda f, a, b, x: str(a)+", "+f(f, a+b, a, x) if a<=x else "", 1000)
19:44 MinetestBot '0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987, '
19:44 kaeza shython
19:44 rdococ what about ##minetestbot?
19:45 kaeza TIL there's a channel for the bot
19:46 rdococ ...
19:48 red-002 pls make it join #minetestbot
19:52 PureTryOut[m] so... compiled Minetest server, now it just complains "Subgame [] could not be found" on startup. there is no config file in `/etc` or `$HOME/.minetest` either
19:52 PureTryOut[m] I do have a subgame, but where can I specify it's directory?
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19:56 kaeza PureTryOut[m], with `--gameid minetest` or `gameid = minetest` in `world.mt`
19:57 PureTryOut[m] where does it take the subgame from?
20:00 kaeza ~/.minetest/games, and $path_share/games
20:01 kaeza where $path_share is usually /usr or /usr/local
20:01 kaeza eh /usr/local/share/minetest
20:03 PureTryOut[m] apt (Ubuntu server) had everything in `/usr/share/games/minetest`. I guess that confused me
20:03 PureTryOut[m] `/usr/local/share` does make sense
20:04 kaeza maybe it's in /usr[/local]/share/games, don't know
20:05 kaeza I always use a self-compiled RUN_IN_PLACE build
20:06 PureTryOut[m] putting it in `$HOME/.minetest/games` did work thanks
20:07 fireglow PureTryOut[m]: maybe this will help you https://dpaste.de/P37y
20:07 fireglow oh you got it, ok
20:07 fireglow oh subgame, I'm entirely wrong. Just ignore me
20:08 PureTryOut[m] lol
20:10 PureTryOut[m] can the console (not running in daemon mode) not be used for commands? how would I grant myself rights?
20:13 fireglow not sure about console, but the player from the servers config file gets admin. Setting is name
20:14 fireglow name = XxX_kittenslayer_XxX
20:15 rubenwardy also, see --console
20:16 rubenwardy from there you can run commands from the screen that runs the server
20:16 rubenwardy also see
20:16 rubenwardy !mod irc commands
20:16 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Server login over IRC [irc_commands] by ShadowNinja - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5275
20:16 PureTryOut[m] thanks rubenwardy
20:16 PureTryOut[m] the config file is nowhere to be found -.-
20:16 PureTryOut[m] `--console` is not an option btw
20:16 kaeza should be put in ~/.minetest
20:17 PureTryOut[m] it isn't
20:17 kaeza or you can use --config
20:17 PureTryOut[m] not in `/etc` either
20:17 kaeza there's none by default
20:17 PureTryOut[m] I have to make one myself? huh ok
20:18 kaeza don't know if distro packages put .example anywhere
20:18 kaeza try `locate minetest.conf`
20:18 PureTryOut[m] distro packages `/etc/minetest/minetest.conf` it seems
20:19 fireglow this is the official example file, you can start from there: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minete​st/minetest/master/minetest.conf.example
20:20 fireglow for server, you can delete anything above "# Server / Singleplayer
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20:22 PureTryOut[m] cool thanks
20:26 rdococ so when a button is pushed, fields[button_name] = true?
20:26 rdococ and fields[textarea_name] = textarea_content?
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20:30 rdococ .
20:34 kaeza correct
20:34 Krock can confirm
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20:37 redblade7 hi
20:37 redblade7 i have to go soon, but will leave a message here
20:37 redblade7 i just set up a new server, as you know, THE VALLEYS
20:37 redblade7 i just got a complaint from someone having a crash when they click "3 dots in the bottom right"
20:38 redblade7 i dont know what he's talking about. is it a fake mobile client?
20:38 rdococ I'm trying to set a textarea's contents by changing its default
20:39 rdococ it worked with the lua controller version...
20:39 redblade7 unlike my server creative gardens, which has been around for a year, there are very few mods, and no "fancy plants" mods except for farming redo
20:39 redblade7 and there are mobs redo and andinmals
20:39 redblade7 but not much else
20:40 redblade7 so
20:40 redblade7 what are these 3 dots he's talking about?
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20:41 IhrFussel redblade7, it's likely a mobile client but not the official Minetest one
20:42 IhrFussel The official one has the 3 dots at the center left
20:42 rdococ yay
20:42 rdococ I have a rudimentary text editor
20:42 rdococ for my laptop node
20:43 rdococ planning to change it to a desktop computer node though
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20:48 Baffy[m] does anyone know good graph paper that's thin enough to trace thru
20:48 zyabin101 mbot, what language do you know? :3
20:48 zyabin101 English and...?
20:48 Baffy[m] or apps to plan minetest buildings
20:48 Baffy[m] the paper would be better for my 6yo nephew
20:48 zyabin101 (nah, better move this to ##minetestbot)
20:48 Baffy[m] the app is for me
20:48 agaran zyabin101: english, perl, c, lua, ?;)
20:49 zyabin101 !c 'Hello, '.. 'World!'
20:49 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
20:49 zyabin101 Hope he is up >~<
20:49 zyabin101 !mod moreblocks
20:49 MinetestBot zyabin101: More Blocks [moreblocks] by Calinou - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=509
20:50 zyabin101 Nice, he's up.
20:51 zyabin101 Does mbot have knowledge?
20:51 * zyabin101 thinks about finally moving that to ##minetestbot
20:52 rdococ hm
20:52 zyabin101 agaran, add Python to that list
20:52 rdococ does anyone have a nodebox model for a desktop computer?
20:53 rdococ no?
20:53 rdococ :c
20:53 zyabin101 []_ ← ASCII sketch for the side
20:53 Baffy[m] i know yall know good graph paper
20:53 agaran zyabin101: I don't know python..
20:53 QwertyDragon Baffy[m] for "graph paper" I use Xournal program page/paper_style/graph
20:53 zyabin101 [_] ← front
20:53 zyabin101 ^ and top
20:54 Baffy[m] oh cool
20:54 Baffy[m] i was hoping for actual paper for my nephew too
20:54 zyabin101 agaran, Tutorial:
20:54 zyabin101 !c "Hello, World!"
20:54 MinetestBot 'Hello, World!'
20:55 IhrFussel What's the best way to prevent players with older clients from sending messages that appear on the next line? Cause that buggy behavior makes fake messages a possibility...like player abc fakes a message "<abc> [many many spaces or tabs or even new line chars][next line]<xyz> I am stupid"
20:55 agaran zyabin101: I'd rather stay on perl side of life.. seems brighter for me
20:55 agaran IhrFussel: can't you just squash all-spaces to one in each line send by player?
20:55 rdococ xyz is stupid
20:55 rdococ :p
20:55 zyabin101 $x=/[a-n]/g
20:56 zyabin101 Wanted to not put that in a variable, but IRC interprets anything starting with / as slash commands.
20:56 IhrFussel agaran, the problem is I'm not sure if it's really just spaces or if the engine even interprets tabs/newlines and sends those as separate message lines
20:57 agaran I'd squash any whitespace string via regexp to single space?
20:57 agaran or, if me, then any non-ascii char + white char to space
20:57 agaran but that may ruin unicode..
20:57 red-002 I think mt has a string trim function
20:57 red-002 not sure if it removes double spaces
20:58 Krock it has a trim function that trims the spaces and tabs on each end
20:58 Krock but afaik doesn't touch the code in between
20:58 red-002 return (self:gsub("^%s*(.-)%s*$", "%1"))
20:59 rdococ does someone have a nodebox model of a computer?
20:59 rdococ a desktop computer with a tower
20:59 agaran homedecor has computer?(s)
21:00 VanessaE it does.
21:00 VanessaE though they don't do anything especially useful
21:00 IhrFussel Krock, but it trims ANY whitespace char before/after the string? Tabs and newlines also?
21:01 IhrFussel Cause I'm not sure if newlines count as "whitespace"
21:02 Krock std::isspace
21:02 red-002 this is lua not c++
21:03 IhrFussel The example in the Minetest dev wiki says it works with new lines string.trim("\n \t\tfoo bar\t ") == "foo bar"
21:04 red-002 string.gsub(test , "%s+", " ")
21:04 red-002 that should work
21:06 red-002 tested it on https://www.lua.org/cgi-bin/demo
21:06 red-002 with local test = '  hi  hel fef \r\n hello '
21:06 red-002 test = string.gsub(test , "%s+", " ")
21:06 red-002 print(test)
21:07 agaran cheapie: would you mind if I connect d/c'ed reactor in your powerplant or want do it yourself?
21:09 Krock IhrFussel, the regular expression also behaves like the C++ function. It trims spaces, tabs and new lines
21:10 IhrFussel Is string.trim() in Minetest the same now or not?
21:11 red-002 I think it only trims spaces , tabs, etc at the start and end
21:12 Krock ^
21:12 IhrFussel red-002, okay I implemented your gsub function now
21:13 Krock string.trim is defined in builtin/common/misc_helpers.lua with the code that red-002 wrote above
21:13 Krock -> (self:gsub("^%s*(.-)%s*$", "%1"))
21:14 red-002 yeah that looks much too complex for something that only trims spaces
21:14 red-002 use string.gsub(test , "%s+", " ")
21:14 Krock lol, it's shorter than the C++ implementation
21:15 red-002 but it's completely unreadable to a normal human
21:15 Krock your shorter code doesn't do exactly what it should
21:15 red-002 why so?
21:16 red-002 it replaces all double spaces with single spaces
21:16 Krock it leaves one space at the beginning and end if there were more
21:16 Krock "  hello world    " becomes " hello world "
21:17 red-002 yeah this is only for stopping chat exploits
21:17 IhrFussel message = string.gsub(message , "^%s+", "") << should remove any space at the beginning right?
21:18 Krock yes
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21:29 tyty hi
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21:30 redblade7 IhrFussel: just got back but have to go again, what do those three dots (in official the minetest client) do?
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21:30 mine_test_of_min hi
21:30 PureTryOut[m] so it seems Minetest doesn't run on Wayland (without any X11 whatsoever) :(
21:30 mine_test_of_min i need help
21:31 mine_test_of_min i try to play this subgame : https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=50&amp;t=12889
21:32 mine_test_of_min I did a git clone in ~/.minetest/games/
21:32 IhrFussel redblade7, they expand into a menu when you tap them (open chat form, open inventory, drop item you hold)
21:32 mine_test_of_min I have ~/.minetest/games/minetest-australopithecus/
21:32 Calinou PureTryOut[m]: we don't have Wayland support, yeah
21:32 Calinou Irrlicht doesn't have support
21:33 PureTryOut[m] too bad :( I wanted to run it on my phone lol, see how it worked
21:33 mine_test_of_min but when I start the subgame I got a lot of error
21:34 redblade7 will have to file a "misplaced dots" one in the github
21:34 redblade7 but have to go to church soon
21:35 PureTryOut[m] "have to"?
21:35 redblade7 yep my turn to read the bible
21:36 IhrFussel redblade7, but the app isn't the official one so you'd have to find out which app the player uses
21:36 PureTryOut[m] your turn? you can't refuse?
21:36 redblade7 he didnt speak english though
21:37 redblade7 PureTryOut[m]: well i told them i'd be there, switched the previosu week with someone else who couldnt make it
21:37 PureTryOut[m] ooh so at least it's your choice then
21:37 PureTryOut[m] you're not forced by relatives
21:38 redblade7 of course i'm 32
21:38 PureTryOut[m] you say that, but I hear weird shit coming from non-christians in the USA
21:38 PureTryOut[m] it's sadly not as easy for everyone to say no
21:38 redblade7 i started practicing my faith again after a few yeras being gone, wanted to get into it again and i have a niece now so
21:38 rdococ I decided that rather than having a laptop I'd make it look like an old monitor
21:40 PureTryOut[m] it might be better if I don't respond to that ;)
21:41 redblade7 no prob PureTryOut[m] i respect your rights to freedom of religion
21:41 redblade7 and separation of church and state
21:41 PureTryOut[m] and I do the same to yours. you at least seem nice about it :D
21:41 redblade7 (though not political correctness i'm against that)
21:42 PureTryOut[m] I'm not even sure what that means
21:42 rdococ crafting recipe hm
21:42 rdococ lua controller, steel ingots and glass?
21:42 redblade7 i gotta go bye
21:42 PureTryOut[m] bye
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22:57 MinetestBot [git] juhdanad -> minetest/minetest: Fixes for colorwallmounted and colorfacedir nodes 00123ee https://git.io/vD7AF (2017-02-18T22:47:24Z)
22:57 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Voxelmanip: Do not emerge or blit to blocks over map gen limit 111e7e1 https://git.io/vD7Ab (2017-02-18T22:47:24Z)
22:57 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest: Multiplayer menu: fix attempt to open nonexistant image d0a6cac https://git.io/vD7AN (2017-02-18T22:46:45Z)
22:57 MinetestBot [git] tenplus1 -> minetest/minetest: Statbars.lua: Cache enable_damage setting e9cd718 https://git.io/vD7AA (2017-02-18T22:46:06Z)
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