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00:06 rocx that's certainly a lot of lav-
00:06 rocx 'scuse me, /magma/.
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03:58 courtney new server up , everyone welcome, survival style, ethereal- not for the faint of heart....called yomama
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13:51 bandoleer07 hello
14:02 sfan5 hi
14:07 bandoleer07 hello sfan5
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14:08 Megaf Hello
14:08 bandoleer07 im looking for people to test out a server, tell me what your honest opinion is,  comments suggestions...the like
14:14 STHGOM what server?
14:15 bandoleer07 yomama is the name
14:17 sfan5 !server yomama
14:17 sfan5 damn where is the bot again
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14:19 sfan5 !server yomama
14:19 MinetestBot sfan5: YoMamas Extreme Survival | 107.170.35.215:30050 | Clients: 2/10, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 77ms
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14:32 Calinou i herd yo mama hosts servers
14:43 bandoleer07 rofl what?
14:44 H-H-H !server yomama
14:44 MinetestBot H-H-H: YoMamas Extreme Survival | 107.170.35.215:30050 | Clients: 2/10, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 79ms
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15:05 STHGOM has formspecs gotten an update that will break some mods recently?
15:06 PilzAdam STHGOM, no
15:07 STHGOM hmm. why am i not seeing some buttons on rubens city vs city diplomacy /team page?
15:08 STHGOM execpt on older versions
15:08 STHGOM of minetest
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15:24 PilzAdam STHGOM, IIRC there is an issue about rendering order of formspec elements in the issue tracker
15:25 STHGOM ok
15:25 STHGOM ty
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16:42 Telesight Hello all ... Is it possible to renew the rollback DB (rollback.sqlite), it grows a little bit out of control ?
16:51 Fixer don't know, but just curious, how much out of control?
16:52 Fixer i'm curious myself on how it works
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17:26 Telesight Fixer: > 12 GB
17:26 Fixer Telesight, not bad
17:27 Fixer Telesight, are you low on space?
17:27 Fixer it is terabytes these days, unless you host it on crappy hosting or even crappy notebook
17:27 Telesight Not at all, but rollbacks seems to take longer ...
17:28 Fixer yeah, i don't remember if rollback was optimised or in PR stage
17:29 Telesight PR?
17:30 Fixer pull request
17:30 Fixer i think somebody was working on speeding it up, i don't know how that ended
17:30 Telesight ah ok
17:31 Telesight Ok I have to go and come back later,  hopefully someone has an answer ;-)
17:31 Fixer try asking on forum too
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18:22 Fixer damn, forum search sucks balls literally
18:22 KaadmY "literally"
18:23 Calinou modern forums have a much better search
18:23 Calinou but people are very attached to phpBB for some reason
18:23 Fixer found it via google (1st entry)
18:24 Fixer was searching for stairsplus
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19:21 cimbakahn If you have installed a subgame into this folder ----> /home/cimbakahn/.minetest/games and you are playing your game, does it utilize any of the default mods from here ----> /usr/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods
19:27 Fixer not sure how liquids work, if i take a 1 water source with baket in a middle of the lake, it will replace it with another source, but it is not working with smaller lava lake
19:39 cimbakahn Are you trying to get rid of lava?
19:41 cimbakahn I have got a new excellent way to get rid of lava or water.
19:44 air I cant join remote servers if my client has https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/8dbf68331386f5f6a40ff0f0a77f5390bdca60b9 , can it be disabled via config or only a patch?
19:46 PilzAdam Fixer, lava is not renewable, i.e. 2 lava sources won't create a new source
19:48 Fixer ah
19:48 Fixer damned ;)
19:48 cimbakahn Fixer: Here is your solution for water and lava ----> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1943
19:48 PilzAdam cimbakahn, mod loading does not change depending on the game you play
19:48 cimbakahn Problem is i can't get the download on version o.2
19:48 Fixer cimbakahn, thanks but PilzAdam naled it
19:48 cimbakahn ?
19:48 Fixer cimbakahn, i wanted to multiply lava
19:48 cimbakahn I had a problem several times in mg_villages where when i approached a village it started on fire, and i don't understand whay it happened?
19:49 cimbakahn Fixer: Ok, then that was the wrong mod for you.
19:50 cimbakahn whay is why
19:51 Fixer Sokomine, ^^
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20:10 KaadmY cimbakahn: subgames are separate from each other
20:10 KaadmY custom subgames will be standalone and never use anything from minetest_game
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20:12 cimbakahn I see.  So if a subgame requires a dependency for a mod it must come from its own mods folder correct?
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21:53 diamondking14 ~hello
21:53 ShadowBot Hello diamondking14!
21:53 sofar !mod digilines
21:53 MinetestBot sofar: Digilines [minetest-mod-digilines] by Jeija - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5263
21:54 diamondking14 ~whereis VanessaE
21:54 rubenwardy ~seen VanessaE
21:54 ShadowBot rubenwardy: I saw VanessaE in #minetest 2 days, 11 hours, 43 minutes, and 45 seconds ago saying "I said PLAY NICE!"
21:54 * VanessaE hides
21:54 diamondking14 oops wrong command XD
21:54 rocx isn't that kind of what /whowas for?
21:55 rubenwardy How's it going, VanessaE?
21:55 VanessaE it's going
21:55 rubenwardy I'm watching Doctor Who and drinking tea
21:56 rubenwardy I cliche myself
21:56 diamondking14 im sat watching an IRC
21:56 VanessaE bleh.  Doctor Who.  I'm watching Star Trek. :)
21:56 VanessaE (DS9, S5E21, "Soldiers of the Empire")
21:56 diamondking14 may the 4th be with you XD
21:57 Calinou hi rubenwardy
21:57 Calinou rubenwardy: my desktop now runs Antergos (Arch Linux derivative), and laptop dual boots Windows and Antergos, in UEFI mode
21:57 Calinou I was able to follow a full day of uni classes with only GNU/Linux xD
21:57 diamondking14 my laptop runs Linux Mint 17.3
21:57 diamondking14 my other laptop runs Windows XP
21:58 Calinou wow
21:58 Calinou you really should switch
21:58 diamondking14 brcause it can't take any other systwn
21:58 diamondking14 system*
21:58 VanessaE pretty much any laptop that runs XP can run a modern Linux
21:58 diamondking14 something called NVIDIa stops it
21:59 VanessaE nVidia is your video device
21:59 rubenwardy Too scared to try installing GNU/Linux on my UEFI laptop
21:59 VanessaE (or possibly your north/southbridge chipset)
21:59 diamondking14 i don't know why I get an error
21:59 * sofar surrounded by thousands of UEFI-based systems running Linux
21:59 Calinou rubenwardy: I did it just fine, Cnchi handles UEFI well
21:59 Calinou (Cnchi is Antergos' installer)
21:59 diamondking14 oh
21:59 VanessaE diamondking14: just saying stuff like "something called X" or "I get an error" does not help people diagnse the problem
21:59 Calinou it has checks when you do manual partitioning, to ensure you created the required partitions
21:59 VanessaE diagnose*
22:00 Calinou :( the Star Wars day ended here
22:00 diamondking14 shall I tell you what the error is?
22:00 Calinou "may the fifth be with you!"
22:00 rubenwardy Don't want to goof up my Windows partition :'(
22:00 Calinou it doesn't work now :<
22:00 diamondking14 XD
22:00 diamondking14 its 23:00 here
22:00 Calinou rubenwardy: I had to reinstall Windows in UEFI mode, I wasn't able to dual boot in BIOS mode
22:00 rubenwardy Star wars day every day
22:01 VanessaE diamondking14: not now.  I'm just saying when you go to sort out an error, you need to be able to tell people every detail there is about the error.  what you did, what the machine did, what the EXACT text of the error was, and what you tried to do to fix it (if anything)
22:01 Calinou btw I'm using KDE 5.6
22:01 Calinou pretty nice desktop
22:01 Calinou font rendering is awesome with Roboto + tweaked settings, looks like OS X
22:02 diamondking14 VanessaE: the problem is a GPU lockup
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22:02 VanessaE diamondking14: the problem what what, exactly?
22:02 VanessaE what did you do that instigated this error?
22:03 VanessaE with what*
22:03 Calinou which graphics driver did you use?
22:04 diamondking14 when I try to boot any Linux on my Fujitsu Esprimo Mobile v6555, an error popped up after the Ubuntu load screen Taft says "(random bunch of numbers) GPU lockup - switching to software Fbcon.
22:04 Calinou and what's the GPU?
22:04 diamondking14 that says*
22:04 Calinou if you have issues with the default driver (Nouveau), try a more recent distribution
22:04 Calinou Linux Mint is not exactly recent :)
22:04 sfan5 more recent?
22:04 VanessaE diamondking14: that's not a fatal error if the machine was able to show you the error :)
22:04 sfan5 when i had issues with nouveau
22:04 sfan5 i just blacklisted it in the kernel cmdline
22:05 Calinou you can do that too
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22:05 Calinou sfan5: I'm waiting for Nouveau devs to add reclocking to Fermi :(
22:05 sfan5 i just use the binary drivers from nvidia
22:05 sfan5 :shR:
22:05 sfan5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:06 VanessaE Calinou: I can't speak for nVidia but in the case of AMD, gallium drivers are finally to a point where I can tolerate them.
22:06 diamondking14 it doesn't even not to the install a ten - it shows a mouse cursor - and a lubuntu load screen - and that it - until 3 minutes later when the Linux terminal pops up and says that error I just described.
22:06 diamondking14 doesnt even boot to the lubuntu install*
22:07 Calinou VanessaE: yep, exactly
22:07 Calinou sfan5: that's what I do too, on both machines
22:07 Calinou not exactly great
22:07 Calinou although on Optimus sytems, you can suspend reliably, and you can have native-resolution consoles
22:07 Calinou unlike NVIDIA-only systems
22:07 VanessaE diamondking14: then do what Calinou said and try a more recent distrubution.
22:07 rocx don't know if i ever did get an answer to this last time i asked, but what *exactly* does the [E] key do in minetest?
22:07 diamondking14 ive had this problem since I got the laptop.
22:07 VanessaE diamondking14: download the latest Xubuntu image and try booting it
22:07 Calinou primusrun has better performance than optirun for running games btw
22:07 Calinou VanessaE: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=arti​cle&amp;item=nouveau-boost-perf&amp;num=1
22:08 Calinou Nouveau is getting quite fast
22:08 diamondking14 Calinou, VanessaE: I have tried Ubuntu 16.04 and Ubuntu 15.10 on there
22:08 Calinou rocx: the E key can be used for moving fast while fast_mode is enabled, or to descend ladders (if the option is enabled)
22:08 VanessaE gallium is still slower than fglrx, but not so much slower that I can't deal with it, at least.
22:08 Calinou additionally, it can be used by mods
22:08 VanessaE diamondking14: try Xubuntu.  not Ubuntu.
22:09 rocx aaah.
22:09 diamondking14 okay - i will try Xubuntu 16.04 if I can get the iso
22:09 * rocx should look into making it view things or toggle doors.
22:09 VanessaE diamondking14: if that doesn't work, try Debian (I use 8.2)
22:09 diamondking14 okay
22:09 diamondking14 thanks all :)
22:09 VanessaE good luck
22:10 Calinou maybe your hardware just stinks :P
22:10 VanessaE heh
22:10 diamondking14 lol maybe
22:10 diamondking14 my brother had the same problem on his old laptop - his was NVIDIA aswell.
22:10 Calinou I was lucky to land on a decent laptop with regards to GNU/Linux support here
22:11 Calinou Acer Aspire V Nitro, 17" with i7+GTX 960M
22:11 diamondking14 cool
22:11 Calinou battery life isn't great, but it isn't great on Windows either
22:11 Calinou only ~3 hours in office/web usage :(
22:11 diamondking14 my Toshiba laptop's battery sucks
22:11 Calinou there's an ASUS with the same specs, and with Ultra HD display and 512 GB PCI-E SSD, with 4h30 battery life in web usage
22:11 diamondking14 20 minutes is the most I got out of it.
22:11 Calinou it is more expensive, also much newer
22:11 Calinou I would have loved a laptop like that :(
22:12 Calinou also it's 15.6", not 17.3", so it's easier to carry around and a tad lighter
22:12 diamondking14 i had an ASUS laptop ran windows 8.1 it broke within a week of upgrading to 8.1 honestly
22:13 Calinou that's Windows :)
22:13 diamondking14 yep lol
22:13 Calinou yeah, I had an ASUS die on me, it refused to even POST
22:13 Calinou it was ~4 years old
22:13 Calinou and is why I got that Acer
22:13 Calinou it worked fine for me, too bad
22:13 diamondking14 heh - my Grandma has Win 10 (ugh)
22:14 diamondking14 move tried to play MT on it before - it doesn't work fast enough.
22:14 Calinou I run Windows 10 at uni too
22:14 diamondking14 ive*
22:14 Calinou yes, Minetest seems to be slower on Windows for some reason
22:14 diamondking14 all of Windows' graphics I suppose?
22:14 Calinou specifically Minetest I'd say
22:15 diamondking14 i run win 7 on a tower computer ( Dell OptiPlex 755)
22:15 Calinou my desktop runs only Antergos
22:15 Calinou I try to steer clear from Windows because it's not a good development platform, also its font rendering is pretty bad even in 2016 :/
22:16 Calinou also it's proprietary and paid :p
22:16 diamondking14 I have a slow netbook - it runs Xubuntu 14.04
22:16 Calinou if Linux is FOSS, Windows is PCSS
22:16 * Calinou runs
22:16 rocx windows is just not a fun experience.
22:16 Calinou indeed
22:16 * rocx is glad he hasn't had to run it in a decade.
22:16 diamondking14 meh. Linux is my preferred OS
22:16 Calinou Antergos is fun to run, everything is at latest version, and you can get development versions of software in packaged form easily
22:16 Calinou I have GIMP/Krita Git and Scribus SVN
22:16 Calinou thanks AUR :p
22:16 rocx agh! krita.
22:17 rocx mypaint > krita.
22:17 rocx krita never runs without transmogrifying my laptop into a jet turbine.
22:17 diamondking14 on Linux I use kolourpaint4 - Windows I use the standard paint program
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22:17 Calinou wow, using MS Paint… you need lots of courage for that
22:17 diamondking14 been using it for years :P
22:18 diamondking14 i used to paint pictures for an old friend of mine on   MS paint
22:18 cimbakahn Could you take a copy of the default mods in /usr/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods and use them to begin creating a subgame?
22:18 sofar yes
22:19 sofar provided you comply with the license if you distribute it
22:19 cimbakahn Do you have to tweak any of them?
22:19 diamondking14 i have to go - VanessaE I will try the Xubuntu install tomorrow
22:19 sofar cimbakahn: not unless you want to, no
22:19 VanessaE good luck.
22:20 diamondking14 Thanks
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22:20 diamondking14 Huh. I try to log out, but I came back o.O
22:20 VanessaE close the page.
22:20 diamondking14 okay
22:20 cimbakahn So, i have to look at each mods license to be sure it is ok?
22:20 Calinou all mods included in minetest_game are free software (as in speech)
22:21 Calinou so you can distribute and modify them legally
22:21 Calinou I think most use "LGPLv2.1 or later" as license
22:21 rocx free as in freedom.
22:21 VanessaE they're cc-by-sa 3.0 I believe?
22:21 Calinou VanessaE: that's for the textures
22:21 sofar just as long as you retain license and copyright where needed
22:21 VanessaE oh ok
22:21 sofar cimbakahn: you should always look at all licenses if you are making it available for download, yes
22:22 rocx VanessaE: CC licenses wouldn't make sense for software, as those are more meant for creative works. textures and sounds would be up to the CC.
22:22 sofar cimbakahn: never assume it's ok by default :)
22:22 rocx </pedantic>
22:24 cimbakahn Ok.  I am just doing it for myself, but if i am pleased enough with it later, i might want to share it with friends and collegues.
22:25 rocx sofar: oh, perfect timing. what version of MT does the latest torches mod edition require?
22:26 sofar rocx: it currently requires LBM's, so something maybe a month old at most
22:26 sofar I could even make that unneeded, but then torches won't auto-convert
22:26 rocx no clue for that point, since i'm on 0.4.13.
22:26 sofar that's too old
22:26 rocx that would explain why torches4 crashes.
22:27 sofar it'll complain that register_lbm is missing, yes
22:27 rocx is that the version that has the ability to cast light around whoever's holding a torch?
22:27 sofar yes
22:27 rocx aaaaagh. that would've been a cool addition to this subgame that's totally not based on minetest_game for once.
22:28 sofar it wouldn't be too hard to make it work without the converter
22:28 sofar just take out the LBM section
22:28 sofar it just won't work for old worlds
22:28 rocx yeah probably so. it's just not high enough on my priorities to do it.
22:28 sofar delete 10 lines?
22:28 sofar https://github.com/minetest-mods/​torches/blob/master/init.lua#L74
22:28 rocx like i said, trying to create a bunch of other mods for a subgame.
22:28 sofar 74-86
22:29 sofar delete those and you're good I think
22:29 rocx handheld torches aren't quite what i'm going for yet. hopefully MT will have an updated package.
22:29 sofar one more week, i think
22:29 rocx this is void linux, which has been a righteous pain in the arxe with the package naming scheme. hopefully it'll get updated by then.
22:30 Fixer oh boy
22:30 Fixer i have Donald Trump on "No Rules" server
22:31 rocx is he there to make your server great again?
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22:32 rocx and how bad is your anarchy?
22:32 rocx is it 2b2t bad or is it people-have-access-to-nuclear-reactors bad?
22:35 Fixer it is not my server
22:35 Fixer have not played on 2b2t
22:38 rocx good. it is a silly place.
22:43 Fixer rocx, i've seen lets play with it though
22:43 Fixer by minetest player
22:43 Fixer rocx, chat was silly
22:44 rocx i can say i've survived it.
22:44 rocx last i remember, i was exploring an abandoned castle in search of food. my watermelons were running short.
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23:31 thefamilygrog66 I recently started receiving "unsupported Nodebox version" errors when trying to log onto certain public servers - any ideas? Running 0.4.13
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23:34 Fixer try updating your minetest
23:34 thefamilygrog66 Fixer, as I mentioned, running 0.4.13
23:34 Fixer to -dev version
23:35 thefamilygrog66 that makes no sense
23:35 Fixer that message was only for some versions
23:35 Fixer try using recent build from git
23:35 thefamilygrog66 seriously? why would developers change something that drastic between versions?
23:37 Fixer that error happens with only certain version iirc
23:37 thefamilygrog66 ok, weird. I'll try updating
23:37 thefamilygrog66 thx
23:41 sofar the server was updated to a version that doesn't like your client somehow
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