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IRC log for #minetest, 2015-12-21

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00:43 LazyJ est31, what are the prospects of getting your faster clearobjects code into the official release?
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00:59 Fixer LazyJ, is not clearobjects for ... well for actual objects, your server does not have them iirc, does it really help? :)
01:00 Fixer VanessaE, did you reset everything on your servers? O_o
01:01 VanessaE Fixer: just VE-Survival.
01:01 Fixer VanessaE, strange, i was on basic plus and it looked... different
01:01 LazyJ Fixer, during Minetest 0.4.7, when dropped items were spawning as entities in vertical columns underground, clearobjects removed those and broke the lage of that time.
01:01 VanessaE oh you probably just ended up at the "new" spawn (not that it's all that new)
01:02 VanessaE there's a travelnet booth next to it to get you to wherever else.
01:02 LazyJ Players are careless and throw items into lava or just out of their inventory instead of putting them in the trash slot.
01:02 Fixer LazyJ, is not dropped items are removed in 10-15 minutes now automatically?
01:02 LazyJ They also mine for ores and leave the dropped cobble behind.
01:02 LazyJ These are things that clearobjects removes.
01:02 LazyJ However, LG's current lag issues were not fixed by clearobjects.
01:03 Fixer i think Calinou said that dropped objects are cleared within 15 min anyway
01:03 Fixer maybe i'm wrong
01:03 LazyJ As part of general maintenance, clearojbects require over 9 hours to complete.
01:03 Fixer LazyJ, how much objects does it actually clear?
01:03 Fixer in total
01:03 Fixer 10, 100, 1000?
01:03 LazyJ When I last chatted with est31, there was a potential code change that could possibly reduce the clearobjects run time to around an hour.
01:04 LazyJ Dropped objects are only automatically removed if there is a player in the area to keep the chunk active, as I understand it.
01:04 Fixer LazyJ, try mod profiling, something is slowing down your server a lot, maybe some endless loop :}
01:04 est31 or at least greatly reduce it, yes
01:04 LazyJ Players use the teleport mods and leave the mess behind before the entity_ttl takes affect.
01:05 Fixer could be
01:05 Fixer area will be unloaded and donot cause lag anyway, no?
01:05 VanessaE [12-20 20:03] <LazyJ> As part of general maintenance, clearojbects require over 9 hours to complete.  <--- est31, didn't you have something in the works to fix that?
01:05 est31 yes I have
01:05 Fixer LazyJ, just today when i joined max_lag was 6!
01:06 VanessaE oh hell, you just said that
01:06 Fixer VanessaE, are you a former DOS user? :}
01:06 VanessaE oh shut up :)
01:06 VanessaE I'm just a little slow today :P
01:07 Fixer nothing shameful in DOS
01:07 VanessaE thankfully I didn't use that for very long :)
01:10 Fixer after loading games via casettes on cloned spectrum -> DOS was nice compared to that :}
01:11 VanessaE heh
01:11 VanessaE I
01:12 VanessaE I'll stick to the C128 where it comes to vintage computing, but you can keep that cassette to yourself :)
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01:21 Fixer-tab LazyJ: identify lag area @ save it @ install all mods @ start on local pc @ if lags @ more logs @ disable mods one by one
01:22 Fixer-tab Will mod profiling work on release type build?
01:24 Fixer-tab Looks like ESM attracted some hacker again, grief of admin protected areas, nuts!
01:27 est31 ?
01:27 est31 show me
01:27 est31 screenshot :)
01:30 Fixer-tab I'm in my bed with tablet
01:30 Fixer-tab You can ask maikerumine on forum
01:30 est31 meh, not interested
01:31 Fixer-tab hacker griefed me and some roads
01:31 est31 just was curious how they did it
01:31 est31 e.g. its easy to put sand on other people's builds
01:31 est31 but its hard to remove blocks or so
01:31 est31 but dunno, if you dont have city block, tnt removes stuff doesnt it?
01:31 est31 i wouldnt call that hacking for example
01:32 Fixer-tab Removed blocks protected by protector redo
01:32 est31 idk
01:32 est31 perhaps they guessed maikes password
01:33 est31 that they actually abused a 0day is very unlikely
01:33 Fixer-tab Will see, he will look at logs'
01:37 Fixer-tab City block is also here
01:39 Fixer-tab Hacker removed two glass blocks causing water flow and one light block, later maike said other block were removed, interesting
01:40 Fixer-tab blocks*
01:43 Fixer-tab Grief was slight, maybe he wanted to test before doing bigger ones
01:45 Fixer-tab est31: mt has anticheat, will it detect flying ones? Noclip ones?
01:45 MinetestBot [git] Rui914 -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Japanese) d1c0aa1 http://git.io/vEIg5 (2015-12-21T02:43:07+01:00)
01:45 MinetestBot [git] Rogier-5 -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Dutch) e4215c1 http://git.io/vEIgd (2015-12-21T02:42:47+01:00)
01:45 Fixer-tab Lol
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01:46 est31 Fixer-tab, there is neither anti fly nor anti noclip prevention
01:46 est31 yeah the bot always quits when I push translation commits
01:46 est31 in summer we even had a restart loop of the bot
01:47 Fixer-tab Those setting page is super geeky
01:47 Fixer-tab This*
01:48 Fixer-tab Instead merge singleplayer+server pagem revert settings back and add advanced with geeky ones
01:48 Fixer-tab Too much tabs on start screen
01:49 Fixer-tab Or maybe I sound like a gnomer
01:50 Fixer-tab Advanced settings button on old settings page, that will be easier*
01:50 Fixer-tab Now you need to look shittons of menues
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03:07 old_dog_ What file(s) have the iron locked door info? I banned a user and trying to remove his doors. Thank you!
03:12 LazyJ old_dog_ , use WorldEdit to replace the doors with air. Set a sacrificial block on the ground in front of the steel door, then another block behind the door at the top, select both blocks (//p set)  then   //set air
03:12 LazyJ That will remove the steel door.
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03:17 old_dog_ thanks, was wondering where the info is actually stored. I will try that.
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10:39 slemonide hi
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11:48 Calinou https://www.reddit.com/r/freesoftwa​re/comments/3xnh7h/conservancy_need​s_750_supporters_to_continue_its/
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14:19 amadin Hi all
14:20 amadin How disable auto push for swords?
14:21 amadin Players must press "dig" button every push
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14:28 Calinou amadin, it's done entirely client-side so you can't disable it
14:28 amadin wtf????
14:28 Calinou this is not a bug, this is a design decision
14:28 Calinou you don't have to re-click to attack people with strong weapons, to not give you RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury)
14:28 amadin it is very bad, because player have too low hp and died very fast
14:28 Calinou then make weapons weaker
14:29 Calinou increase their punch interval, or reduce their damage
14:29 Calinou or add some health regeneration
14:30 amadin but the best way is disable auto push
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14:30 amadin it will set battle more realistic
14:34 Calinou Minetest is not about realism
14:35 amadin it will more fun too
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14:35 amadin after increase punch interval for stone sword it deal damage only once
14:36 amadin i set full_punch_interval = 2.2
14:36 amadin was 1.2
14:36 amadin this is too big interval?
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14:39 amadin goodbuy
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15:09 Telesight Hello all: If I want to run the mod "lapis" it says that I need the Sheet ore registration. Is otherwise the ore not generated at all?
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15:57 Fixer Calinou, MT is about lagism
15:58 * Fixer slaps everyone with a large thermometer with +13*C reading
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16:00 Thomas-S hi
16:02 STHGOM hello
16:10 * Fixer -> break/continue
16:10 Krock return;
16:11 Krock Searching that music file for 10 minutes on my HDD now and finally notice that it's on a vinyl record >.<
16:12 Krock ..and wasn't digitalized/downloaded yet
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16:45 Fixer methods!
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16:49 Krock Fixer, couldn't find the library - methods broken :/
16:49 * Fixer reads https://docs.python.org/3.5​/tutorial/controlflow.html
16:50 Krock python for lazy people: elif
16:51 Fixer after pascal... it is better
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16:52 Krock 4.4. the prim detector could have a double speed if it wouldn't check from 2 to n. from 2 to (n/2) would save some steps
16:53 Fixer while True:
16:53 Fixer interesting
16:54 Krock gawd, why is it "True"? Lua, C, C++ and many other use the lowered "true" :<
16:55 Krock let's make a new programming language that uses a completely new syntax and keywords!
16:55 Fixer no!
16:55 Krock oh wait.. it's already done with the Ook. language
16:56 Fixer "anything with a non-zero length is true"
16:56 Fixer oh ok
16:56 Fixer while True is True
16:57 Fixer do smth
16:57 Fixer lol
16:57 Krock int number = 5235;
16:57 Krock while(number) would repeat until number is 0
16:57 Fixer yes
16:58 Krock Omg I could win a Samsung Galaxy S6®
16:58 ajaypay if(1 == 2) {logic = false}
16:58 Krock *clicks on the fancy [X] button on the top right side*
16:58 Fixer so python's while will stop when value is 0 or string/list is empty
16:58 Krock ajaypay, that's true.
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20:16 * Fixer lowered the bar for everyone
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20:41 Thomas-S bye
20:48 Krock Fixer, bar..?
20:50 Fixer Krock, http://www.usingenglish.com/refe​rence/idioms/lower+the+bar.html
20:51 Krock to get more chat in here?
20:51 Fixer hmm
20:52 hoodedice what
20:52 kaeza potato
20:53 hoodedice my laptop?
20:53 hoodedice yeah
20:53 hoodedice gib monies so I can get something better (lol)
20:53 Fixer mmm, potatoes
20:54 * Fixer walks in underwater tunnel
20:56 * Calinou gibs monies
20:58 Fixer oh crap
20:58 Fixer i've put saplink under protector
20:59 Fixer and now i have some super tall pine tree
20:59 Fixer like 3x tall
20:59 Fixer or maybe it is modded
21:01 Fixer 30 nodes tall
21:02 Fixer or maybe it is vanessas moretrees effect
21:03 hoodedice Calinou, how much
21:04 Calinou monies is now gibbed
21:07 hoodedice k
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