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00:48 JohnnyComeL8ly I've been done with the spaghetti eating... just have been busy elsewhere.
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01:14 luizrpgluiz someone could use the ncurses minetest using the repository est31?
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01:32 sloantothebone hi
01:33 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, sloan.
01:34 luizrpgluiz sloantothebone: hi
01:34 JohnnyComeL8ly What a unique nick, sloantothebone.
01:34 JohnnyComeL8ly Care to elaborate on its origin?
01:34 sloantothebone ikr
01:35 JohnnyComeL8ly You can't remember?
01:36 sloantothebone I named myself sloan after luther sloan from star trek ds9 then I came up with sloantothebone
01:36 JohnnyComeL8ly Cool.
01:36 sloantothebone originally it was sloantothebonehimself
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01:43 JohnnyComeL8ly That is a mouthful.
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02:08 JohnnyComeL8ly Charlie is the booze....
02:23 sloantothebone Who?
02:23 JohnnyComeL8ly You know who.... ;-)
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05:07 MrIbby It appears the wiki is even more broken ^^'
05:11 MrIbby I'll wait a bit and see if it starts working again...
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08:32 Krock hi
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11:24 Calinou http://opengameart.org/conte​nt/3-seamless-grass-textures
11:44 Ingar ifo nly grass sounds where as easy to make
11:46 Calinou Ingar, how much did your recording hardware cost?
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12:10 Megaf Hi all
12:23 CraigyDavi hello
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12:27 Megaf o/
12:27 Megaf cmake ../Minetest -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DBUILD_SERVER=0 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=0 -DENABLE_LEVELDB=0 -DENABLE_REDIS=0 -DENABLE_CURL=0 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=MinSizeRel -DENABLE_SOUND=0 -DENABLE_GETTEXT=0 -DENABLE_LUAJIT=0
12:27 Megaf what else can I disable for a very minimal client?
12:29 Megaf By the way  I'm listening to this cool radio, http://stream-dc1.radioparadise.com/rp_192m.ogg
12:29 Megaf it's Radio Paradise, good quality streaming and good music
12:29 Megaf and ogg
12:29 Megaf "Ogg Vorbis is an open-source streaming format that offers better performance than MP3. The sound of our 96k Ogg stream compares favorably to even our 192k MP3 stream, and our new 192k Ogg stream sounds even better."
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12:39 Calinou not Opus :(
12:39 Calinou or FLAC
12:40 Megaf unfortunetely not
12:40 Megaf I have been listening to some FLAC radios, but they music style is not very good
12:40 Megaf Calinou: are you audophile?
12:42 Calinou no
12:42 Megaf oh, ok =/
12:42 Calinou I use €20 headset and integrated sound card
12:42 Megaf well, I'm not sure if I am or not, but I do anjoy some high quality audio
12:43 Calinou good enough™
12:43 Megaf I buy headsets by their frequency response
12:43 Calinou the only times where I notice bad quality sound is when playing Quake with the original sounds
12:43 Calinou but I use HD sound pack now :)
12:43 Megaf heh
12:56 Megaf Calinou: if you like Open Source, you might like to know that 100% of the software running here in this netbook is OpenSource, no blobs at all
12:56 Megaf using gNewSense GNU/Linux and Linux Libre kernel
12:57 Calinou cool :)
12:58 Megaf Calinou: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Megaf​/9907f2121e37e71e3eaa/raw/0c6642ff99cdba​caf26aea3150ad21daca16378b/gistfile1.txt
12:58 Megaf I like the memory use if this thing ^
12:58 Calinou well, it's 2011 operating system
12:58 Megaf latest kernel tho
12:58 Calinou you also have only 1 GB of RAM
12:58 Calinou if you had 8, the system would use more
12:59 Megaf I might remove gNewSense from here soon and install latest Debian with MATE and same Libre Kernel
13:00 Megaf install only the main packages from Debian, without contrib and non-free, to compare performance and resourses use
13:01 Calinou use Debian testing :P
13:02 Megaf that would be interesting
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13:14 Calinou <Megaf> Celeron M ULV at 900 MHz at the moment, 630 MHz most of the time
13:14 * Calinou laughs from his i7-2600K and i7-4720HQ
13:15 Megaf lol
13:15 Megaf well, in my home country I have a Phenom II X4 Black Edition at 3,2 GHz, that thing is fast
13:16 Calinou "fast"
13:16 Calinou to me, only an i7-6700K is fast, but that thing is €430 :)
13:17 Calinou same thing in laptops, Skylake costs too much
13:17 Calinou so I stuck with Haswell with my new laptop
13:17 * Krock2 laughts about Calinou with his (currently) 800 MHz clocked Athlon 64 4000+
13:18 Megaf My not sure what my next CPU will be, I'm quite curious about the new AMD ZEN
13:18 Calinou AMD CPU is dead...
13:19 Megaf I don't know what happened with AMD
13:19 Megaf they had some great CPUs, like the K6-2, Athon 64 and Phenon II
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13:21 Megaf and then they stopped doing good stuff
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13:47 luizrpgluiz if someone has the tox chat, I can pass my contact if someone wants to talk
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13:54 Krock luizrpgluiz, I want to talk. About the color of the clouds at a specific air humidity
13:54 Krock I think this will be a good 3.5 hour discussion
13:57 luizrpgluiz Krock: xD
14:02 Telesight Hello all, I compiled a run_in_place minetestserver, but I get no writing to debug.txt, where can I set this?
14:10 ElectronLibre Are you sure the server is writing in the good debug.txt file? Usually debug.txt is either in ~/.minetest or in the current work dir. You can still use --log <path to logfile> to force the logging to a specific file.
14:14 luizrpgluiz that strange, here in linux Manjaro I'm not having this problem
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14:16 Telesight ElectronLibre: I will try to force it ...
14:16 ElectronLibre If you run a minetestserver, specifying a log file is always a good idea.
14:17 ElectronLibre Just to be 100% sure the logs will end up where you expect them to end up.
14:18 Telesight Yep, moment I will try ...
14:33 luizrpgluiz someone used the est31 version with ncurses and succeeded?
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14:37 Telesight ElectronLibre: can I set the log ssetting in minetest.conf ?
14:37 ElectronLibre I don't think so.
14:38 ElectronLibre luizrpgluiz: I succeeded to execute most of the commands I usually use (/set, /time, /say, /shutdown). So far it works as expected.
14:38 Telesight I use systemd as startup, but I do get an failure. The server is not starting up at all
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14:41 ElectronLibre Telesight, what is the command you passed to systemd for starting the server?
14:42 technics huhu :) are there any mod, to grant the player notes on their nicknames like "technics [i'm afk...]"?
14:43 ElectronLibre There is no API to change the nametag's text as far as I know.
14:44 ElectronLibre You can change its color (RGBA) but not its text (yet).
14:44 Telesight I have made minetest.service with : [Service]
14:44 Telesight User=telesight
14:45 Telesight ExecStart=/home/telesight/m​inetest/bin/minetestserver --config /home/telesight/minetest/minetest.conf --map-dir /home/telesight/minetest/worlds/world
14:46 technics ElectronLibre, thanks for this information :)
14:48 ElectronLibre Telesight: Did you enable that service file? What happens if you start it manually using systemctl?
14:50 Telesight This service (the way it is written) works. It is started with minetest.timer. But I do not know where to force log setting ...
14:51 ElectronLibre Just add "--log /home/telesight/minetest/serverlogs.txt", for example, at the end of the command in ExecStart.
14:51 Telesight if I add --log /path I get an failure
14:51 Telesight I will try again ...
14:52 ElectronLibre What kind of failure?
14:54 Telesight (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
14:54 Telesight Main PID: 9941 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
14:56 ElectronLibre See what journaltcl has to say about that.
14:56 ElectronLibre s/journaltcl/journalctl
15:01 Telesight ERROR[main]: Unknown command-line parameter "--log"
15:01 ElectronLibre Oh.
15:01 Telesight must this not be logfile ?
15:01 ElectronLibre Oh my, it's --logfile, sorry.
15:02 Telesight let us try again ;-)
15:02 ElectronLibre I always mistake it with --config which doesn't contain the word "file".
15:06 Telesight He starts up, no failure, but also no serverlogs.txt
15:07 ElectronLibre It might be because you start it with a service, the logs probably end up somewhere in /var/log.
15:07 Telesight moment I check
15:10 Telesight not found ...
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15:11 ElectronLibre Maybe try to create the file by yourself and restart the server.
15:13 Telesight tok
15:14 Telesight -t
15:23 Telesight It is created !
15:23 Telesight I looked with Filezilla, but it was not shown ;-(
15:24 ElectronLibre So the output is logged in that file?
15:24 Telesight I changed the logfile to debug.txt (like everybody uses)
15:24 Telesight Yes
15:24 ElectronLibre Good.
15:25 Telesight I will login and check if it is written
15:27 Telesight YEs there is debug info ...
15:28 Telesight Great, thank you very much ...
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16:29 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix Noise compiled under clang >= 3.7.x with -O2 or higher d198e42 http://git.io/vl8wD (2015-11-01T11:16:18-05:00)
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16:49 kaeza o/
16:49 Krock \o/
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17:22 Krock Out`Of`Control, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14gIX3bX8Vw
17:26 Out`Of`Control Krock:  lol
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18:22 est31 that's your box?
18:23 est31 man dude next you tell me you use IIS as web server
18:23 Krock Yes, experimental Lua implementation as a CGI application
18:23 Krock That's not IIS, it's nginx
18:23 est31 and all running on winxp ?! lets hope you dont get hacked
18:24 est31 most people on this channel are nice though.
18:24 Krock A testing server, you know.
18:25 Krock The [off] tag is quite efficient when crazy nerds search hackable home servers
18:26 est31 ?
18:27 Krock ...nvm
18:27 Out`Of`Control poor est31
18:28 Krock poor as in 'no money'?
18:28 Out`Of`Control no
18:28 Out`Of`Control poor as in silly
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18:30 est31 are you silly because you tell that winxp connected to internet is insecure?
18:30 Out`Of`Control est31:  no
18:30 Out`Of`Control windows connected to internet is insecure
18:30 Krock why then?
18:30 Out`Of`Control Hahaha
18:30 Krock lol
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18:31 Krock air conditioning system confirmed
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18:32 Krock That's what Microsoft produces. Open a window and it stops working
18:33 Out`Of`Control :D
18:33 est31 lol
18:42 fireglow !seen LemonLake
18:42 MinetestBot fireglow: lemonlake was last seen at 2014-12-20 12:00:34 UTC on #minetest
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18:54 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix Lua scripting synchronization 52e5b51 http://git.io/vl4Cf (2015-11-01T11:32:05-05:00)
19:00 Krock !seen fireglow
19:00 MinetestBot Krock: fireglow was last seen at 2015-11-01 18:42:51 UTC on #minetest
19:00 fireglow sup
19:00 Krock dunno
19:00 fireglow word
19:00 Krock wat
19:01 fireglow ah, found a card mod with detector rail, cheers SmallJoker
19:01 fireglow !seen SmallJoker
19:01 MinetestBot fireglow: Sorry, I haven't seen smalljoker around.
19:01 fireglow gg
19:01 Krock ..
19:01 fireglow wot you dotting, m8?
19:01 Krock MinetestBot: alias add Krock SmallJoker
19:01 Calinou
19:01 Krock ……
19:01 fireglow more dots
19:01 Calinou ⋅⋅⋅
19:02 Krock ¨¨
19:02 fireglow ok, slow dots
19:02 fireglow slow dots
19:02 Calinou ‑–—–‑
19:02 PilzAdam Krock, you don't have to worry about people searching servers to attack in IRC logs
19:03 Krock PilzAdam, yes. I believe that's true
19:04 PilzAdam and you response header doesn't seem to contain anything suspicious, so you should be safe for now
19:06 fireglow oh noes, boost_cart errors
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19:06 Krock The webserver does not support errors yet.
19:06 fireglow gotta find that smalljoker dude
19:06 Krock <Krock>MinetestBot: alias add Krock SmallJoker
19:06 Krock <.<
19:06 fireglow :>
19:07 Krock so, what's the error? Pastebin please
19:08 fireglow https://pastee.org/7d8an gimme a sec, trying to find out exactly when it happens
19:09 Krock That's not an error
19:10 fireglow could be, could be, man
19:10 Krock https://github.com/SmallJok​er/boost_cart/commit/1b53eb
19:12 Krock ^ fireglow, that fixes it
19:12 fireglow cheers lad, good on ya
19:14 Krock ^^
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19:17 srakitnican Hello, just installed Fedora 23 and I am trying out Minetest in Wayland
19:17 srakitnican *upgraded
19:18 srakitnican and I have a problem
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19:18 srakitnican mouse pointer kepps going in direction is pointing at, like in android game
19:18 srakitnican but I am on desktop
19:19 srakitnican don't know where to look at
19:20 LazyJ srakitnican, auto-forward was recently added to Minetest. Perhaps that has been enabled?
19:21 Calinou can you make a screencast? eg. using SimpleScreenRecorder: http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/
19:21 Calinou you can upload the result to https://imgrush.com (up to 50 MB)
19:21 srakitnican it's minetest 0.4.12
19:21 srakitnican and it work fine on xorg
19:21 LazyJ Ah. Well, auto-forward was the only thing I could think of.
19:22 srakitnican I will try
19:26 srakitnican Or I can describe, if mouse pointer is in the middle of window cross is not moving anywhere, as soon as I move mouse it starts moving in that direction and never stops
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19:32 semirocket yeah recording might be difficult on wayland, ebverything crashes lol
19:44 FreeFull srakitnican: Wayland doesn't have pointer warping or pointer locking
19:44 FreeFull srakitnican: So no game that relies on it will work
19:45 FreeFull This rules out any game with a first-person perspective for example
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19:47 Calinou is that planned?
19:47 Calinou how are they going to fix it?
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19:51 srakitnican so this is a known issue, ok thanks :)
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19:56 srakitnican I am amazed actually that it runs on wayland :D
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20:08 srakitnican Here is a short video of what was I talking about for anyone interested: https://imgrush.com/8GBH6QxmzVx1
20:10 ADFENO ???
20:10 srakitnican minetest on wayland :p
20:10 ADFENO Ah....
20:11 ADFENO Wow! Buggy... :D
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20:12 srakitnican surprisingly everything seems to work fine except mouse pointer control
20:12 Out`Of`Control 5 fps?
20:13 srakitnican no that's camera phone
20:13 srakitnican fps is fine
20:14 ADFENO Ah! D
20:14 ADFENO So it's just the mouse..
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20:14 srakitnican yeah
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20:26 rubenwardy srakitnican, your computer is weird
20:26 rubenwardy It'll be because of this code: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/master/src/game.cpp#L1847-L1850
20:27 rubenwardy You computer either has floating point inaccuracies, or the cursor isn't being grabbed correctly
20:28 rubenwardy would you be able to build Minetest your self, so I can put a print statement there to debug it?
20:29 srakitnican I can try
20:30 rubenwardy do you have aptitude?
20:30 srakitnican I am on fedora 23 so dnf
20:30 srakitnican http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
20:30 Calinou I'm on Fedora 22, Fedora 23 release is in 1 week...
20:30 srakitnican follow this?
20:30 Calinou hope it won't break everything
20:31 rubenwardy yeah
20:31 srakitnican Fedora 23 release on 3rd
20:31 srakitnican I did dnf system-upgrade --releasever=23
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21:51 MinetestBot [git] Uberi -> Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix #93 (thanks @za267!) https:/ http://git.io/vlBmt (2015-11-01T16:50:36-05:00)
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22:12 MinetestBot [git] celeron55 -> minetest/minetest: Print direct command line responses to standard output instead of using the log system 3285bf7 http://git.io/vlBGI (2015-11-02T00:11:20+02:00)
22:13 Megaf_ Hi all, finally back
22:14 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, yeah, Megaf is back!
22:14 Megaf_ o/
22:14 JohnnyComeL8ly ;-)
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22:27 Megaf_ Now I'm impressed
22:27 Megaf_ so, gNewSense 3 from years ago runnign GNOME uses the very same amount of RAM that Debian Sid using MATE uses today
22:28 Megaf_ https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Megaf​/98157d55502211cd4f75/raw/848e10c7bb36e9​42ed75c5e75a9edba1163e1ec9/gistfile1.txt
22:28 Megaf_ https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Megaf​/9907f2121e37e71e3eaa/raw/fcd055a8c71d64​253e94361772255de020fa4894/gistfile1.txt
22:32 JohnnyComeL8ly Megaf_: Idk what is meant by this... I do know that I'm disappointed with the progress of gNewSense, for it has a really old software included in the ISO which one downloads
22:33 Megaf_ JohnnyComeL8ly: it works well, as well, if not better than Debian Squeeze
22:33 Megaf_ but it is outdated yes
22:33 Megaf_ they should keep doing the stuff
22:34 Megaf_ and they could use the Linux Libre Kernel
22:34 JohnnyComeL8ly I think they kinda let it go... Trisquel is what RMS uses now.
22:35 Megaf_ I'm not using Trisquel, still based on Ubuntu
22:36 JohnnyComeL8ly No, it is based on debian... afaIk.
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22:49 JohnnyComeL8ly Megaf_: I made a mistake... it is based on Ubuntu.  But, RMS and FSF/GNU support it, so why are you against it?
22:51 Megaf_ lack of quality and testing
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22:57 JohnnyComeL8ly So, you use gNewSense?
22:57 JohnnyComeL8ly Megaf_: ^^
22:58 Megaf_ JohnnyComeL8ly: used for half a day :)
22:58 JohnnyComeL8ly What do you use now?
23:00 JohnnyComeL8ly Megaf_: ^^ (I should just remember to place this before I send the msg....) :-P
23:00 Megaf_ what I had been using, Debian
23:00 JohnnyComeL8ly Megaf_: And that is completely free?
23:01 Megaf_ almost, on Debina you can choose what repos from it you want, they have main, contrib and non-free
23:02 JohnnyComeL8ly Megaf_: From what I understand... the distro doesn't cut the mustard for FSF because they still have repositories which contain non-free software.
23:02 Megaf_ main is only Open Source, but I think the kernel itself does have some binary firmware or something
23:02 Megaf_ Im using only main on this netbook
23:03 JohnnyComeL8ly Psych! lol we said a verbatim statement.
23:24 Megaf_ JohnnyComeL8ly: I don't get it
23:25 JohnnyComeL8ly The statemenst at 17:01:51 and 17:02:04 are very similar.
23:26 Megaf_ yep :)

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